Episode 136 - Listener Spotlight - Dave & Liz, The New Hampshire 4000 Footer List

[00:00:03] Here is the latest Higher Summits Forecast brought to you by our friends at the Mt. Washington Observatory. Weather above treeline in the White Mountains is often wildly different than at our trailheads. Before you hike, check the Higher Summits Forecast at www.MtWashington.org.

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[00:00:54] Go to www.MtWashington.org or text FORECAST to 603-356-2137. Here is your forecast for Friday, January 19th and Saturday, January 20th. There is an alert this weekend. It's a windchill warning in effect through Saturday. The discussion section states,

[00:01:27] The Arctic air mass moving in on Friday night will result in lingering cold air through the end of this weekend. Thus, the freezing temperatures and high winds will continue producing cold and raw conditions outside this forecast period.

[00:01:39] The cold temperatures and strong winds will make the air feel much colder on exposed skin, which could allow exposure risks to start developing in as little as five minutes if inadequately covered or not prepared.

[00:01:55] So Friday, in and out of the clouds early, trending towards mostly in the clear onto partly cloudy skies midday, and then in and out of the clouds again late, with a temp rising to the lower single digits late.

[00:02:08] Winds will be west at 30-45 mph shifting northwest and decreasing to 15-30 mph, and the windchill rising to 20-30 mph. Friday night, in and out of the clouds early, trending towards mostly in the clear with

[00:02:26] a slight chance of snow showers late, little to no snow accumulations expected, with a low falling to around 5 mph. Winds will be northwest at 20-35 mph increasing to 30-45 mph with gusts up to 55 mph. And the windchill of note here falling to 35-45 mph.

[00:02:50] Saturday, in and out of the clouds under partly cloudy skies, a high temp rising to the lower single digits, winds north at 25-40 mph with gusts up to 50 mph, and again the windchill will be 25-35 mph.

[00:03:42] This is Woodpecker Podcasting from the Woodpecker Studio in the great state of New Hampshire. Welcome to the Sounds Like a Search and Rescue podcast, where we discuss all things related to hiking and search and rescue in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.

[00:03:56] Here are your hosts, Mike and Stump. We're going to record, alright Stump, so we're at episode 136. Are you ready? Are you focused? Yeah man. A little bit, a little bit. I'm not going to lie, this is a little melancholy hovering in the air, but I'm relying on dad

[00:04:31] jokes and these two guests to boost the spirits. Yeah, yeah, I already got a read on Dave, he's going to be like shot out of a cannon, I can tell. Nice. When you're a priest for 25 years, you know, you come back into the mainstream.

[00:04:49] Wait, you were a priest for 25? We'll get to that later, don't worry about it Mike. Well you have me like I'm curious now. I don't know, I want to know. Now it became less interesting. I've got to add that to my list of things on the script here.

[00:05:05] So Stump, just before we get going, I've got a scheduling issue next week that we've got to figure out. Mrs. Mike, without my permission, scheduled her book club on Thursday night with her crew next week.

[00:05:19] So I've got to make the decision on whether I just record with all the ladies upstairs in the book club or if we just... Well if next week is Sherp Aunt, then we're good to go because they wanted to record earlier in the week.

[00:05:36] I think we should be all set. I think it was supposed to be Wednesday. Yeah, so you're off the hook. Then I can make the charcuterie board for the ladies book club. There you go, yeah. You should be good. All right. Problem solved. Very good. All right so...

[00:05:54] The behind the scenes isn't quite what I thought it was going to be. Sorry to disappoint you. No, no, actually more real world. I want to figure out how to get in this book club. Yeah, well, it's tough. I've tried. They won't let me in.

[00:06:10] But anyway, welcome to episode 136 of the Sounds Like a Search and Rescue podcast. This week we have a listener spotlight with our friends Liz and Dave. Dave of Dave Schitt's In The Woods fame. So we brought you up a couple times here.

[00:06:24] So they're going to join us to talk about their hiking and outdoor adventure pursuits. They're both well experienced hikers in the New England area so we'll talk to them about their backgrounds. We'll expose the secret Illuminati 500 highest hiking group that they're involved in to the

[00:06:39] audience and we'll learn about their gear preferences, favorite hikes and plenty of other topics. Apparently Dave used to be a priest so we'll see what that's all about. All this plus the Garden of Eden has been discovered in the Catskills.

[00:06:53] Hot tub parties are going to be harder to come by soon in the White Mountains. Snow shoveling road rage incidents. Another story of a vagrant homeless guy who turns out to be rich. A refresher on the rules of the 4,000 footer club.

[00:07:08] Gear reviews, pop culture, hikes on Owl's Head, hiking and sledding on Mount Cannon or Cannon Mountain and recent search and rescue news. So I'm Mike and I'm Stomp. Let's get started. We going to be able to go to bed tonight with all that stuff?

[00:07:44] I don't know it could be a couple hours but hey. A lot of topics. We get plenty of data. Yes, yeah. This has been Peace from Hiking Buddies. We are a 501c3 nonprofit committed to reducing avoidable tragedies through education, impactful projects and fostering a community of support.

[00:08:07] You can find out more at hikingbuddies.org. We wanted to say thank you to those who have supported our mission and most importantly say thanks to those who speak up, who ask questions and who are willing to provide guidance and assistance on the trails when needed.

[00:08:20] You embody what it means to be a hiking buddy. And now for all my newer hikers out there, here's this episode's Hiking Buddies quick tip. As a rule of thumb, stay away from cotton on trail.

[00:08:40] Synthetics and wool or wool blends will prevent moisture from building up creating a safer body temperature and temperature regulation. Wear layers to achieve the warmth that you need. So I want to just start the show off. We're recording this on Thursday.

[00:09:13] There was just a press release sent out by New Hampshire Fish and Game a couple of hours ago that announced that there was a hiker fatality in the Pemi region.

[00:09:24] So I think it was by Mount Giot and it was a local hiker that's well known in the area that unfortunately had an incident. There's not a lot of details on exactly what happened, but it was a fatality.

[00:09:37] So the search and rescue teams were out there diligently trying to do whatever they could to locate this hiker. And unfortunately he succumbed to the elements out there. So it's a sad time right now. So we're not going to do a deep dive on this one.

[00:09:55] We just wanted to recognize it and just send condolences to the family and our thoughts and well wishes to all the members of the search and rescue teams that were out there helping and Fish and Game and anybody else that was involved in this. Correct.

[00:10:11] Yeah, there'll be no search and rescue section tonight. A little nod of condolences to everybody out there. And if you heard that forecast opening the show, it's going to be another nasty weekend. So just be prepared and be safe out there.

[00:10:27] Yeah, we got another cold clip coming in. I'm not doing any hiking this weekend. Are you doing any hiking this weekend? I have to say, well, I made a note later in the show, but the trails are open for sledding.

[00:10:38] So I'm going to be guiding finally, which is fantastic. But Saturday morning is supposed to be in the single digits. It's like Feaster Fam and the trails are open, but now it's a whole other challenge.

[00:10:48] But I think I will hit something tomorrow afternoon, like something small, maybe Wombat or something quick. That's the only time I have available to me this weekend. How about you? Are you going to go out? No, no. I've got family stuff I got to deal with.

[00:11:05] So I'll be taking the weekend off and then getting back out there the following weekend. Yeah, that's probably smart. All right. So we wanted to just give a thanks again to Toby and Megan from the Mount Washington Auto Road for joining us last week.

[00:11:18] We got a lot of good feedback. People had said that they enjoyed their segment and that they're going to commit to getting out there and trying out some of the activities that are available at the Auto Road Stump. I did see a guy in the BJA's parking lot.

[00:11:34] I usually go once a week. He had one of those I Climb Mount Washington bumper stickers on his car. I almost told him to check out the podcast, but I decided not to. I thought it'd be a little weird. That's funny. That's funny. Cool. Very cool.

[00:11:51] So I what was it? I hiked it or I drove it or what kind of bumper sticker? Yeah, this car drove up Mount Washington. Oh, the car did. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. That was a good episode. It's really enjoyable.

[00:12:03] I feel like we're covering every conceivable aspect of that summit. We've done the observatory, the cog. Well, the cog's coming up and that's a surprise. And what else? Stump. What's left? There was supposed to be a secret. Was that a secret? I don't know. Maybe more.

[00:12:22] I don't know. We're covering all bases when it comes to Ajik-a-chuk. Okay. All right. So, Liz, I got a question for you. Have you ever and we're going to do a deep dive here, but have you ever had to like do anything heroic on the trail?

[00:12:37] Like if you run across anyone that's in trouble and you had to like save them or give them like a band-aid even? Anything like that? No, I don't think so.

[00:12:48] I did have a friend who was hiking one time and she called me asking me what do I do? How does she call for help? Which at the time I didn't know, but I have a friend that was actually rescued some years ago at Arefusa Falls.

[00:13:03] So, she knew all about search and rescue. So, she was able to give me some tips to give my friend, but I have not. All right.

[00:13:10] Well, the reason I bring it up is because our friend Al, who often gives us like news articles and things like that to cover on the show. He sent over a tip on an award.

[00:13:22] So, if you're a civilian and you happen upon somebody that's in peril and you take extraordinary effort to save them, you can win this award which is called a Carnegie Hero Award. So, it's from Carnegie Foundation.

[00:13:38] I think they've got like a university and it's basically like this Carnegie Medal. And essentially what the Carnegie Medal is, is a prestigious award that is considered one of the highest civilian honors in the US and Canada.

[00:13:51] So, essentially the requirements for this award are it was established in 1904 and the life of a human victim must be an imminent danger of being lost without intervention. This must be believed by the rescuer.

[00:14:07] The rescuer must be a civilian who knowingly and voluntarily risked death or serious physical injury to an extraordinary degree. The rescuer must have rescued or attempted the rescue of another person.

[00:14:20] It's got to be undertaken by the rescuer and must be perceived by the rescuer and that perception cannot be diminished by outside factors.

[00:14:30] So, it has to be high risk and it has to occur in the US and Canada and then it has to be brought to the attention of this commission within like two years.

[00:14:39] So, the reason I bring this up is because every once in a while somebody will bail somebody out on trail. I suspect that there's more of these incidents that happen where people just stumble across a hiker and help them to get out with little or no fanfare.

[00:14:55] I wanted to just call out that this award is available. So, I'll put this in the show notes and it's called the Carnegie Medal and you can nominate anybody for it.

[00:15:04] Al had done some research and had found that there was actually an award given in 1968 related to a rescue on Mount Washington. It's the only award that he could find that ties into the White Mountains or hiking but it's a pretty prestigious award.

[00:15:22] So, it was issued in 1968 to a guy named George Smith, I believe his name is. He rescued a couple of hikers that were messing around in Huntington Ravine on I think March 23rd.

[00:15:47] Essentially what happened here is that there was two 18-year-old climbers and they were rescued from a sheer ice ledge in 100 mile an hour wind and below zero temperature.

[00:16:06] So, there was these rescuers there that ended up plucking these two UNH students from a ledge about 500 feet above Huntington Ravine on which they were stranded by an avalanche.

[00:16:17] The gentleman in question who got rescued, his name is Jeffrey Damp, he was suffering from frostbitten hands and feet and a leg puncture wound and then also exposure. So, they were brought down the mountains to the base camp where a doctor was able to treat them.

[00:16:35] There was a third 19-year-old climber that reported their situation after he was swept away and he made his way down to the AMC Harvard cabin and then from there I guess that's what initiated the rescue.

[00:16:49] So, the gentleman that received the award, again his name was George Smith, I think there was a couple of other rescues that received it as well but it's pretty interesting story, Snop, right? Yeah, that's cool. That's super cool. I had no idea.

[00:17:03] Yeah, so just keep that in mind. I think about that situation with Jeff Rogers and that whole crew that saved that skier that was in Tuckerman and they got in action. So, it's something like that where you truly are going to save a person's life. Correct.

[00:17:22] So, we'll put that in the show notes and it's good to know that these rescues and calamities were going on back in the 60s just like they are now. Timeless. Timeless. I had a newlywed on trail once and he had indigestion and I gave him some Tums.

[00:17:41] You're a candidate. I feel like we're going to put in the nomination for you. Yeah, I mean I feel like it's his honeymoon. It's kind of a big deal. I thought you were going to say you met a newlywed on trail and you told him to run away.

[00:17:54] Well, it was written secretly on the Tums like those little candies for Halloween. You shouldn't have said I do run away. So, Stomp, the next article you just pulled here, the world's oldest forest is 385 million years ago and was seen by dinosaurs.

[00:18:19] So, this is in, it's called the Cairo site and it's a short drive from New York City. Our friend Stosh has got to know this area I'm sure. Yeah, we'll have to get his input. Yeah, check that out. They estimate 385 million years. They have fossilated trees and roots.

[00:18:38] They say these trees from this original forest were 65 feet tall if not higher, 5 feet wide. And they think with the dating that for sure there was some dinosaur activity adjacent to the existence of this early forest. Very interesting story.

[00:18:58] I mean, here I was, I thought the Garden of Eden was the oldest forest and now it's just in New York. Right. Yeah, where would the historic biblical Garden of Eden be? Isn't it somewhere around Iran? In the Fertile Crescent. Iraq, it's somewhere in that region.

[00:19:17] It's the Fertile Crescent. It's between the Tigris and Euphrates River. That's correct. Yeah, that's correct. That's what they think. You see, you're such a holy roller, Mike. Aristocrat. We've got a former priest, a holy roller. That's some pop knowledge right there. Yes.

[00:19:41] All right, so I guess we'll have to go check out this competitor of the Garden of Eden. We'll ask our friend Stosh from the Catskills to go check it out and report back. Yeah, for sure.

[00:19:52] All right, Stomp, next up you've got, so we've got a couple of articles we want to go through here with listeners. So, New Hampshire's Bow Winter Workshop, what is that? Yes, it's new by me too. Bow Becoming an Outdoors Woman Winter Workshop.

[00:20:09] This is, let's see, registration opens on Sunday, January 14th and this is sponsored here on the Fishing Game website. So, it's a one-day program where women will learn outdoor skills to enjoy during the winter months. So, they focus on outdoor activities during the day-long workshop.

[00:20:31] Choices include winter hiking, winter outdoor survival, snowshoeing, wildlife tracking, shoe and shoot, woodland target shooting, etc., etc. The fee is $85 and registration opens on the 14th and I believe the courses, oh, so registration closes on the 5th of February.

[00:20:50] So, what date is the workshop? The 24th of, yeah, Saturday, February 24th. Sounds awesome. Yeah, yeah, it sounds great. And Stomp, can I ask, can I just ask a favor of you please? Sure.

[00:21:04] On the script, when you do these scripts here, if there's an acronym, like I notice sometimes like you'll just assume that I know what the acronym is. Can you just make sure you write out the acronym?

[00:21:17] I don't always read these articles before the show and this one, I feel like I got a little embarrassed there. I feel like we've been over this conversation before. Yes, multiple times. Duly noted. This is strike two, I only have one more chance.

[00:21:32] I will say that you've gotten much better about like hyperlinking the entire, like, so we have, we've got some, yeah, Stomp's got some. There's hope for the old dog. He's got some work to do, but he's doing okay. So, Liz and Dave, I got a question for you.

[00:21:49] Do you guys ever in your travels, have you, either one of you ever like snuck into any of the local hotels to sneak into the hot tub or the sauna areas that are available? I can't say as I have.

[00:22:03] You can't prove that I have done any of those things. Okay, well you're both like a little local to the, a little more local to the white, so you probably haven't done this.

[00:22:11] So we, I'm not naming anybody, but our friend Jimmy Chock, he knows what this is all about. He's the go-to. Yeah, he knows how to get into the pools and all that fun stuff. But apparently there is a, which hotel is this Stomp?

[00:22:25] This is the, what is it? The Mountain View Grand Resort in Whitefield.

[00:22:30] They had an issue a few weeks back where a few people got sick, somebody died, and they traced it back to our good old friend Legionella, which if you know historically that there was a big story decades ago where I believe it was veterans or an elderly home.

[00:22:48] All these people were dying and they found Legionella bacteria up in the ventilation system up on the roof.

[00:22:55] So apparently they're having issues here with the hot tub and people were hit by a bat and it comes down to bacteria growing in this hot tub system here at the hotel. I would take it, I would take it over, I'd risk Legionnaires for a nice hot tub.

[00:23:14] I guess. I mean, have you been in these hot tubs though? I mean, they're so chlorinated, it's unbelievable. So I can't imagine how this happened. It's very peculiar, but I guess it did. I don't know.

[00:23:30] Don't they say like, isn't it like, so, I mean Dave, you're more of a shits in the woods type of guy, but my understanding is like the pee in the hot tub, like when you can, if you can smell a lot of chlorine, that means that people have peed in the hot tub.

[00:23:41] Oh, is that true? You know, not as a professional on the urine side of things, but as a close first or second, I guess, whoever that would go.

[00:23:51] Yeah, no, it's chlorine and like gray wolf smells like, you know, gray wolf lodge or whatever it is where the kids swim. There's a reason for the chlorination. Huh. Yeah. Immunocompromised people and smokers are generally at higher risk. So, okay. You're all set.

[00:24:09] I remember there was a Legionnaires disease outbreak at like one of the hotels in Las Vegas. I think the Rio hotel in Vegas had to have a problem with this like multiple times.

[00:24:20] So I think once it gets into like whatever the air conditioning system or the duck work or something, that's not good. So I gotta be honest with you.

[00:24:27] Me and Mr. Stump have been a little anxious about it because we've been hitting Indian head a couple of times over the last few months and we love it there. It's so much fun. But yeah, their hot tub is, I guess, a potential candidate.

[00:24:37] Hopefully they're doing the right things and taking care of it. All right. But anyway. Well, moving on here. Do you, what's your responsibility when it comes to clearing snow out of your area?

[00:24:50] Like do you just wait for a plow to go through or do you like actually clear? Because you have like a shared parking lot where you live. Yeah, it's actually part of the whole deal.

[00:24:59] So there is shovelers that come in and plows that come in and take care of the property. So that's a nice blessing, man. I'm telling you not having to deal with that. Seriously. So yeah, it's great. It's so easy.

[00:25:14] Do you, in places that you live before, have you ever had any issues with like, like, because I go over like some of my neighbors are older.

[00:25:20] So I'll, I mean, I don't want to brag and I don't think I need a Carnegie medal for this, but I do like kind of go out in my snowblower and help them at the end of the driveway.

[00:25:28] So I don't know if you ever did that before or not. No, no. I would help the people around me if I could, you know, like yourself for sure. So I've never had an issue, but I've never come to blows. Let's just say that.

[00:25:46] And that's the reason why I bring this up is that we, the next story is three Pennsylvania neighbors are dead after a fight over snow shoveling. So apparently one, they had an argument. One man went into his house and got a gun.

[00:25:59] So this was in Plains Township, Pennsylvania. And just before 9 a.m. on Monday, officers responded to report of shots fired in a residential neighborhood. And they discovered a husband and wife, 50 and 48 year old lying dead in the street in front of their home.

[00:26:20] Residents in the area directed police to a house across the street from the home. And as they approached, they found that the person who had actually shot the couple had done a self-inflicted gunshot wound to himself as well.

[00:26:36] So apparently they had been in a long running feud that had reached a boiling point on the snowiest day of the year. And they were shoveling, you know, the couple was shoveling snow from their parking spots and throwing it onto this guy's property.

[00:26:52] And then he just wasn't having it. So, wow. That's crazy. I'll be honest with you. I snowblow into my neighbor Roger's yard next door and I don't think he cares. So I'm lucky to have good neighbors. Gee whiz. Well, at least it wasn't the shovels.

[00:27:15] I thought this story was going to be about people bashing each other with shovels. No, no. It just was a feud. Yeah, you got to get along with your neighbors. Life's too short to not get along with your neighbors. Yeah, yeah.

[00:27:30] So you're going to grab a flamethrower and start melting your snow like you had suggested on the road? I thought Toby liked that idea. I think they're hot for that idea for sure. Make a tank with a flamethrower. Yep. Okay.

[00:27:47] So next up, Stomp, we've got fun things to do this weekend. Ho, ho, ho. There are several things on here. Ice castles open this weekend. So that's right up in Lincoln. That's always a good time.

[00:28:02] I haven't been for a few years but finally it's cold enough and they were able to make some snow. And on this list I found a couple interesting things. This one, where is it? Ice castles and then winter. Oh, here it is.

[00:28:17] The Nansen Ski Club hosts a winter carnival in Milan. It takes place Saturday and Sunday at 83 Milan Road. But they have an art sled rally. So sledders arrive and they build wild and crazy decorations on their sleds. Cardboard is highly recommended. And then there's a ski jump meeting.

[00:28:41] So that sounds like a really good time. Yeah, that sounds fun. Yeah, it's different. Then they list some other things like an opera house that's opening and a movie and whatnot. But a couple fun things to do in the cold. Yeah, yeah, there's a murder mystery.

[00:28:55] Have you ever gone to one of those things where it's like audience participation? Oh no, I absolutely dread that idea. Yeah, I don't like that either. Like I'm paying to be entertained. I don't want to do work. I don't want to be tortured. No thanks.

[00:29:11] How about you two? Have you ever gone to one of these things? No. We did the medieval manor back in college and that was different. Oh. I mean it was participation but it was voluntary. But technically after I don't know how many glasses of meat.

[00:29:27] Remember the dark beer that they would just keep going and going? Oh, that was... Dave, was it really meat? Yeah. They said it was meat. I'm sure it was just beer. I just like how the fridge works.

[00:29:43] It was like a dark, it wasn't Guinness but it was like a dark beer like that that they would, I mean and they would just keep it coming. Like you would tell the waiter. It was like a large, yeah it was, you just had tokens.

[00:29:54] You had to give them or something and they just kept pouring and pouring. You had to eat with your hands. Wasn't it Cable Guy with Jim Carrey where they go to one of these things? Yeah. If anybody hasn't seen that scene, that's a funny scene.

[00:30:07] That's a good movie by the way. Damn. So stop, remember the story of the guy in New Hampshire that had, he was sort of like a vagrant type, not a vagrant but he was like a hermit

[00:30:18] and I don't know if he was homeless or he just lived very frugally and he died and ended up leaving the town like $2 million or something crazy. Remember that story? It was in New Hampshire. Yeah, I do. Yeah, yeah. So local story here in Haverhill, Mass.

[00:30:35] And I got to give a shout out to my daughter Megan. She was like so excited. She's like, Dad, I think I have a story for your podcast. This guy was like a bicycle guy around Haverhill, Mass.

[00:30:47] And he spent a lot of time at one of these VFW posts I think he hung out on. Yeah. And he would constantly ride his bike around. He was known as the can man. He would collect cans.

[00:31:02] So his friends were on him like, hey, you got to make sure you take care of yourself. He's an older guy. And he apparently fell on his bike one day. And the local bartender at the VFW hall that he spent a lot of time hanging out in

[00:31:16] helped him out. They got him into the hospital. He was like, can you make sure that you get my backpack and keep it safe? So lo and behold, he goes into the hospital. He's in there for a couple of weeks. And then he ends up unfortunately passing away.

[00:31:29] So the people that work at the VFW hall or whatever this place is, they go in and look at his things. And they start digging through his backpack. And they find about $70,000 worth of cash in the backpack. Wow. A big chunk of change.

[00:31:45] Yeah, a big chunk of change. This guy lived really frugally. He didn't have a car, drove everywhere. I don't think he lived in like a gray area or anything like that. So they ended up giving the money to his, I guess it's got to go through probate,

[00:31:58] but they gave his brother a heads up that like, look, he's got $70,000. So they got to sort out who's going to get the money and whatnot. But I thought that was interesting. Yeah, that is interesting for sure. Yeah, probate's the way to go for that, I guess.

[00:32:09] This reminded me of that home, well, not homeless man, but the person that was living by adverse possession on that property. And then remember the state tried to move him in this way. We need an update on that. That's been a while.

[00:32:23] Yeah, because remember the billionaire guy like bought him something? Yes. Yeah. If a listener knows what's happening with that story, let us know. Otherwise, maybe we'll touch on it in the next episode or so. Yeah, that's River Dave. Dave, do you know? Oh yeah, that's right.

[00:32:40] You guys must all keep in touch, right? It's a Dave. All the Daves. Yeah, it's a network. He's kind of fallen off the grid for a little while. I'll circle through the other Daves. Get the Dave signal up in the sky and figure out what's going on.

[00:32:54] Yeah, it's a giant Dave signal. That's awesome. Slasher's hiking topic of the week. All right, stop. We're going to move into the topic of the week. You wanted to do a refresher on the rules of the game for the 4,040.

[00:33:15] Yeah, this came to my mind because when I planned my Tri-Pyramids a couple weeks back, I wanted to take my mountain bike to the base of Scour Trail. And I just wanted to make absolutely sure that I could do that. Violation. It is.

[00:33:33] It's really wild, so we can get into it here, but you can't do it. There's actually like three conditions for using a bike, and they're next to impossible to meet. So we will post this. It's easy to find. It's just at the 4000footer.org site.

[00:33:49] And let's go through some of these things. It's a bit verbose. Oh, what are the rules for climbing the peaks? All right, so let's start with this one. Let me know if any of you don't know this. Liz, Dave, Mike, but you must climb on your feet.

[00:34:10] Was that a surprise? So far I'm good. So far you're good? Okay. No riding in carriers. Two in from the summit of each peak on the list. All right, so that's a good call out though. So for some listeners, if you're carrying your baby or whatever,

[00:34:31] they don't get credit. Those little ones, they got to walk the whole way like Littlefoot does. That's right. And if they get carried or picked up, none of this Floki nonsense where Floki comes and goes off of Mel's back however Floki wants.

[00:34:46] Yeah, so Floki's got a lot of work to do. Floki's a little behind, let's just say. I think Floki, like Mel said, Floki's been hiking more than riding lately. Okay. Oh man. Let's see. So in winter skis and snowshoes are cool.

[00:35:03] The committee takes no official position on the use of sleds or Swiss bobs. I don't quite know what that means. Well, I think what they're referencing is does it count if you use a sled to get down? And it sounds like there's no opinion there so it counts.

[00:35:18] You can take a sled down. Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. For peaks with trails starting out a maintained road, the rule is simple. Drive to the trailhead and then walk. All right? So no, you're not allowed to use the auto roads of Mount Washington, Mansfield or Equinox. That's pretty self-explanatory.

[00:35:40] For peaks in areas, go ahead, go ahead. So those times that I rode, I was on the trailhead. Those don't count as like a 4,000 footer. Apparently not. Okay. Yeah, apparently not. So for peaks in areas with rough logging roads, you may drive as far as you

[00:35:55] deal with a normal car. That includes four-wheel drive, but ATVs are not allowed. That's sort of quirky. Yeah, that's quirky. And then we'll get to the mountain bikes in a minute because that's really interesting. You are allowed to count any number of peaks on a single trail.

[00:36:11] And do not necessarily have to end up at the trailhead from which you started. Many peaks are commonly done as a traverse example, Bonds or the presidentials. No surprise there, right? Pretty reasonable, straightforward. All right.

[00:36:25] You must do the whole climb in one contiguous trip, which may include an overnight stay in a tent, a shelter or a hut. For example, you cannot count climbing Monroe from the summit of Washington after a trip up the cliff.

[00:36:33] You must do the whole climb in one contiguous trip, which may include an overnight stay in a tent, a shelter or a hut. For example, you cannot count climbing Monroe from the summit of Washington after a trip up the cliff.

[00:36:41] You must do the whole climb in one contiguous trip, which may include an overnight stay in a tent, a shelter or a hut. You can also do the whole climb in one contiguous trip, which may include a

[00:36:47] trip to the top of the Cog railway because you climbed Washington on a past hike. Or hike up Canon and take the tramway down then come back later. Take the tramway up and hike down. That's common sense too. All right now here comes the kicker.

[00:36:59] Here comes the kicker because everybody has thought about taking a bike down Lincoln Woods Road to get over that dreaded five miles of tediousness, or vice versa. I was strongly thinking about that as I walked down Lincoln Woods last weekend. Yeah.

[00:37:11] is three miles just to get to the northern portion of the tri, so it's like oh man. All right. Tempting. So yeah they just go into the basic thing here that mountain bikes have increased in popularity. They're trying to set these

[00:37:27] rules here that will go over to preserve the tradition of traditional climbing on foot not on bikes. In winter they've absolutely forbidden the use of snowmobiles, which is interesting, even when a road is passable to ordinary cars

[00:37:42] in summer. So that would mean me going to Caps Ridge on my sled wouldn't work if I read that correctly. Okay. So Jefferson Notch Road is open in the summer. It's closed in the winter for snowmobiles. So I guess that's out. Yeah? Anybody?

[00:38:04] Are you frozen? Is this the part where he's a mime? Yeah, yeah. So we may... let's give him a second and then if he doesn't come back in we're gonna stop.

[00:38:19] Yeah all right so I'm gonna stop recording. Hold on. Hey! I'm back! Hey, stop. I'm not recording. What the hell happened? No it's okay. I'm still recording on my end so uh... Yeah no but I'm gonna hit record. Yeah I'm good because I was just yapping for the

[00:38:37] last five minutes so it's all good. So I'm just getting to the good stuff. So the mountain biking thing are you recording now? Yep, I'm recording now. All right so it's acceptable to use bikes on logging roads that are 1. Not

[00:38:49] part of an officially maintained trail. That's easy. 2. Legally open to the general public for car truck travel on the day of the trip. All right so that's the killer there. That's a killer for most of the roads that we use.

[00:39:05] And 3. Are fairly easily passable to an average four-wheel drive vehicle not an ATV without heroic measures such as winches. So those are the three conditions for using a bike and it looks like it's a no-go for most of us 4k

[00:39:21] hikers out there. Yeah yeah just don't use a bike. Don't use a bike. Yeah yeah yeah totally. Is there a time limit? No there's no time limit. You just have to do some decent notes though on your list when you're going to submit your your 48

[00:39:37] list because they do look them over and they do check. They look for discrepancies that may be a little fishy so yeah there you go. So those are the basic rules. Yeah they reached out to me and asked me about it because I did Moose lock and

[00:39:51] Tecumseh on the same day so they asked me like what was the deal with that. Okay. I just had a day off and I did two hikes. Yeah there you go. So them is the rules. Don't you dare break them. All right everyone get out there and get

[00:40:07] your 4,000 footers done. Are you ready for Slashers Gear Review? So moving on to gear review. So Stomp I had I was down in Florida and I got a chance to see there was three rocket launches and I saw two of them but on

[00:40:41] one of those rocket launches I think that there was some something to do with the Swedish satellite dish and then apparently in addition to the rocket launches there's a news article came out that Starlink is now going to be

[00:40:56] pushing out a mini dish which will be coming out later this year so the dish will be small enough to fit into a backpack and there's also an upcoming cellular Starlink service which will offer 7 megabytes per second and bandwidth

[00:41:12] per cell and essentially this mini dish that they're talking about is a portable version of Starlink and it's set to arrive in the coming months so it'll be introduced they'll be introducing the Starlink mini later this

[00:41:25] year cool that can fit into a backpack and they did a post on it so I'll share that with with everybody and apparently in September the FCC approved SpaceX's application to operate Starlink mini dishes which it says it's about

[00:41:43] the size of a MacBook they've been relatively quiet about like the pricing and the specs and the image of what it's gonna look like but it'll be cool for anyone who wants a very portable Starlink so think about like RVers

[00:41:57] people that are actually you know are gonna go out for two three days and they want to carry that extra weight you know you can bring you know something the size of a MacBook out there and get get internet connection which is cool I

[00:42:11] mean I wonder like what the application is going to be yeah potentially for like the if the AMC wanted to get better internet connection or you know search and rescue teams want to be able to make sure that they've got a secure

[00:42:24] internet connection like this could be huge yeah for certain cases yeah I mean the size is a little daunting for a hiker but I could see it if you were going backcountry on a machine or something that makes sense or maybe

[00:42:38] backpacking yeah and I don't know what the range is as far as like we you set the dish up in the the Wi-Fi box you know is it a hundred feet or 200 feet but you could definitely see somebody setting up like a command station maybe

[00:42:54] higher up on the mountain if you were doing like a longer search and you've got these dishes and you can be a lot closer to where the search teams are and have reliable internet connection yeah got it

[00:43:06] yeah what to come on that yeah well there'd be a competitor to Garmin and they're smaller units I think so yeah it's gonna be a competitor competitor for everything it'll be a competitor for cell phones it'll be a

[00:43:20] competitor for even just regular internet service well as long as the prices come down because we've been doing a lot of research in the search and rescue and about the Garmin 66 eyes and all that and the subscriptions are

[00:43:31] not cheap I pay I think it's like a hundred bucks a month for Starlink and you can't cancel it and pause it so I'm not using it right now okay well Garmin can I mean that's yeah yeah it's a cancellation fee and you can suspend

[00:43:46] it but that's a monthly fee as well so it's they get you no matter what you're doing yeah we all know that hiking a mountain can be hard at times so here's

[00:43:58] a corny dad joke to help you get over it but um bum all right stomp this is the part of the show where I do my dad joke so does a dog do so well at school why

[00:44:15] because it's the teacher's pet oh dude I should have known that one that was right right there low-hanging fruit that was good what do you what do you think still answer again from my dad jokes book hey what's that sound it must be time

[00:44:51] for the pop culture segment with Mike and stop all right stop this is the part of the show where we do pop culture talk so we've got like three or four segments here so Dave want to talk about black mirror what is going on here Dave black

[00:45:13] mirrors a Netflix series and it is about basically social media technology and it kind of has different stories that play off how it affects society in different scenarios some of them are I do not get uncomfortable and they made me very

[00:45:30] uncomfortable they're weird and some of them are just mind-bending it's a phenomenal series it's you know in different levels I really enjoy it it's worth checking out mmm yeah I don't know if we've ever brought it up on the show

[00:45:46] but yeah it's amazing like in some of the like future forward-looking things that they bring up is a bit like the one that stands out to me is the episode where I think it's Ron Howard's daughter I think Bryce Howard is her name she was

[00:45:58] like essentially like it's like a social credit that people can see so essentially like every interaction you have with another human being they'll give you like five stars or four stars or whatever and you get an overall rating

[00:46:09] and like she did something that like lowered her her social score and she freaked out and it was this whole thing about like how all this stuff just got taken away from her because it's very similar to like sort of that like

[00:46:23] cancel culture and like all the things that you see going on today and it was like and I think they were ahead of the curve because that episode came out like three four years ago and we've seen a lot of that's what I find is they

[00:46:33] tend to like almost preempt some of the things that happen in real society before it even happens there's there's a great episode with Topher Grace which was from the 70s show and the guy who was on was a Sherlock the BBC version with

[00:46:49] Benedict Cumberbatch which is a great series too but um he was in it and it's about basically the impacts the real impacts of using social media and what can happen I don't want to give anything away I'm a ruiner like that but it's a

[00:47:05] really like it's it's hard-hitting like even my son was watching that he's 18 and he just kind of was like damn yeah it was like yeah it hits home yeah I think it's wild there's another episode too that's really interesting and

[00:47:18] stop I don't know I sort of have this like I don't know if it's possible enough but like there's this episode that's kind of like Star Trek but ultimately like it's essentially like it talks about how the world that we're living in

[00:47:30] is essentially like a simulation and it's just repeating like the Liz's nodding her head I think she's a fan of this so it's just sort of repeating scenarios over and over again around potential like you know you know

[00:47:45] simulations theory so instead of us actually living in a world where there's like a God or there's like some of the it's essentially just a computer where we're all just going back and forth through different simulations so

[00:47:56] hmm yeah I remember that one makes you think stop yeah my favorite is a metal head that is involving the robot dogs and they use they use USBs on their paws to open doors to turn on cars cars are driving by themselves now but the the

[00:48:17] dogs themselves are armed to the hilt and they're they're running around just killing humans it's so prescient it's unbelievable that one was terrifying and and it's it's literally it's reality now I mean it's no doubt about it all that

[00:48:30] stuff is totally plausible yeah so we'll definitely put that in the show notes and encourage people to check out black mirror that's a good call Dave yeah all right next up here for pop culture there's a new podcast coming out

[00:48:45] from Julie Murray so Julie is the sister of Mara Murray so Mara Murray we've talked about her case she's a missing person that went missing I believe in 2003 maybe 2004 UMass student that got into a small car accident

[00:49:03] was single car accident in Haverhill New Hampshire had a brief interaction with the local homeowner and then police came on the scene in between her interaction with the homeowner and the arrival of the police she disappeared and

[00:49:16] she hasn't been located or found since and there's been like multiple podcasts and specials on oxygen channel and all these different theories and it's probably one of the biggest mysteries around Julie Murray is releasing a new podcast called media pressure and from Julie's perspective she's taking back

[00:49:35] the story because she feels like you know there's a lot of things that go on around this this story that are either miss reported or aren't aren't correct so she's trying to basically take control of the story by releasing this

[00:49:49] podcast I follow Julie on tick-tock she's got a lot of good good information that she shared over the last year or two and I think it's good for her to step in and really get more involved in this so I'm looking forward to it so

[00:50:01] it's called media pressure and it's gonna be released I think in February okay cool yeah that's sort of cool I mean it's nice seeing the family try to jump ahead of the media the media is I don't know so

[00:50:13] unreliable and clickbait they're driven driven by clickbait you never know what's real with that stuff yeah yeah and Dave Elizabeth either one of you have a sort of a pet theory about Maura Murray or do you not know enough about it any

[00:50:25] comments it's so hard to say I mean because I just you know what was in her mind before all of that happened and why was she there in the first place and what did she pack like a lot of things just don't make sense from that

[00:50:41] perspective in my mind like it's just you know how did she get there might answer where she was going and how she or where it went wrong and where she landed but it's hard to wrap your head around it yeah I don't know if you have

[00:50:54] any thoughts Liz yeah I only know from what I've heard you guys talk about so I have not looked I haven't gone down that rabbit hole of looking at more information trust me if you get more if you got stuff going on don't go down it

[00:51:07] because it's a deep one but but I think Dave you're right like there was a lot going on in her life personally and you know between the relationship she had going on and you know her transition from West Point to UMass and her

[00:51:19] commitment to the track team and a whole bunch of different things that that factor into this that it just sounds like she was in a bit of turmoil before she headed out and you know who the heck knows what was going on in her

[00:51:33] mind yeah I just hope that we solve the mystery for the sake of the family yeah I don't I don't have an opinion on that one it's I'm with you Liz it's just too

[00:51:46] much he's sick of me talking about it all right next up we get a article here so stop we've talked about met that guy in Yellowstone that was hiking with his sister and he like went off trail and he got like he fell into the acid and he

[00:52:03] basically all they found was like a pinky bone from him exactly so yeah you know the guy that plays double double oh seven Pierce Brosnan yeah he used to play yeah yeah yeah it's a good-looking Englishman yeah not so much anymore I'm

[00:52:21] looking at this picture and his like teeth are a little bit English I guess storm how do you get us canceled from all our English listeners someone just set the bar pretty high what we can say tonight oh yeah trust me I'm like I'm

[00:52:38] like Yellowstone geyser right now I'm trying to hold in my I know it's been a weird 48 hours let's just say that all right well he's got like he does have a like an issue he's got a little snaggle on the lower tooth I mean but like the

[00:52:52] the father picture out he's got the Indiana Jones hat he's looking dapper yeah but he's doing what he's doing the old do you know who I am thing and that's really annoying look stop you'll never get as good-looking as Pierce Brosnan so

[00:53:05] just don't be jealous but anyway Pierce is in trouble because Pierce decided he was in Yellowstone National Park I don't know what he was doing just a vacation but Pierce decided that he was gonna go and wander off into these mammoth hot

[00:53:20] springs and he did this on November 1st and you know when you do something like this especially when you're breaking a law you want to make sure that it doesn't get out into the media but unfortunately he's out there just like

[00:53:33] wandering around these like hot acid springs and he got himself in trouble so he was cited and fined for wandering off into these hot springs which are off limits to tourists because they're super fragile and they can take years to

[00:53:51] correct if damaged so what a guy yeah last time let me see how much did he get fined might see a $5,000 fine it says or he's fighting the charges to yeah he's fighting the charges six months hard time I I hope he gets the six

[00:54:10] months hard time hard time what exactly would hard time be to for a celebrity he should just write a check and apologize kidding right what is wrong with him oh boy I used to like this guy I'm done yeah yeah all right stop so I got a

[00:54:31] question for you we did actually talk about this over text but if if we were in a situation where and Dave and Liz like what you guys can join in on this

[00:54:40] too if say we were we will fly into Alaska and we got on a plane crash and two of us survived two of us died and we had no other options would you or would

[00:54:51] you not eat the people that did not survive well they can answer first Dave Dave eats dead people no one's a vegan right you guys aren't vegans I'm not a vegan though I'm good yeah I would yeah I mean in a situation if I had to

[00:55:10] survive yeah I mean somebody's gonna be a pocket Liz come on this is like what did I sign up for here the answer this question determines why I quit in the future I think if it's a matter of survival I'd yeah it's either it's either

[00:55:40] the dire eat your eater your passengers your fellow passengers so the reason I bring this up is because there's a movie on Netflix which it's a fantastic movie it's called Society of the Snow there's another movie that was out in the 90s

[00:55:53] called the live that that tells the same story so it was it's a story of a 1972 there was a Uruguayan rugby team that crashed in the Andes Mountains and they were forced to survive for I think like 90 days or 60 days or something like

[00:56:08] that and it was like 45 people on the plane I think like 15 of them died on the initial crash and unfortunately they had no they had very little food so they were forced to eat the fellow passengers to stay alive and eventually

[00:56:26] like they survived like 17 days I think like 30 of them survived for like two weeks then they got hit with a like a brutal avalanche and I think half of the survivors died in one night because of the avalanche and then eventually two of

[00:56:39] the survivors were able to hike out into I think Chile to to get rescue and ultimately I think 15 or so of them survived but yeah they did have to eat their fellow passengers so tough situation but stop I already gave you

[00:56:53] permission over text that you would certainly be free to eat me if I'm dead so I appreciate that. Yeah as a card-carrying Catholic I did some deeper research on that oh you did and according to the Catholic faith you can cannibalize if

[00:57:08] you did not purposely murder the person you're eating so good to go purposely murder intentionally or purposely yeah yeah but if it was no accidental murder like negligence or something like that yeah who knows

[00:57:25] well you're the priest you should tell us yeah it all depends where you start so you have to answer that which part would you start with what would you know what do you eat first I think in the movie they like started with like the

[00:57:38] thigh area like the buttocks and the thigh so mmm this is a great topic did you guys ever see the terror no okay it's it's a book it's a HBO mini series with Jared forget the actress name but it's a fantastic fantastic series but

[00:57:58] there's some cannibalism going on in that story as well with a twist so highly recommended hook okay so society of the snow and and I thought about just just as it was a fantastic movie and sometimes these movies where there's not

[00:58:15] a lot of like movement from one location to the other can go a little bit slow but this was absolutely fantastic movie it is Spanish language so it's a dub it's dubbed but like honestly you like you can't even notice the dubbing so it's

[00:58:27] highly recommended I actually just watched it yeah yeah yeah yeah it's great movie so I'll put that in the show show notes and stop I think we're moving on we've got a sponsor here yeah do you have a sweat problem sweat can be

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[00:59:54] them up and show you guys next week but yeah great the word on the street is that this frame is two thumbs up five stars yeah no I like it a lot I'll um

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[01:00:39] hey hold my beer it's time to find out what Mike and Stomp are drinking on this week's beer talk right this is the part of the show we talk about if we're drinking beer or not

[01:01:01] I love beer I think let's start with I haven't seen Liz drinking anything but Dave had flow Liz has got something all right Liz why don't we start with you what do you what do you get going on there it's a pink yeah something pink

[01:01:16] downy cider I'm trying the pomegranate pomegranate yeah what do you what do you think is good I think so I mean it's not my favorite flavor but I like it yeah is it fruit I've never had these like sours and fruity thing is it like sweet or is

[01:01:32] it I think that's what it is I think it's a little too sweet for me I don't like okay for sweet but I'm enjoying I mean I'm working my way through it you work anyway through it do you have like a preference do you always go with the

[01:01:43] like the the fruit stuff or do you tend to try more regular beer I don't typically drink beer I mean I'll have a Guinness or from time to time I like what Dave's drinking you'll hear that in a minute it or I like myself some

[01:01:58] whiskey I thought I'd go with the cider today okay all right good call and Dave what do you got some people call it black and green or they call it a snake bite it's basically a downy cider and then you float Guinness on the tops a

[01:02:14] little flat right now but then it makes like a lava lamp but it starts a little bit bitter and it finishes really really sweet it's delicious all right well that's much more fancy than I think what stomp has yeah well I'm doing my

[01:02:27] adventurous thing here so you can see that yeah yeah you got that so I have kiss yeah I don't know what that logo is it looks like three s's I don't know I'm

[01:02:38] not quite sure I haven't tasted it yet hold on ah so this is a double IPA and it's called modest man and it's brewed in Keene New Hampshire and check this out it says tasting notes I love this stuff single hop galaxy candied tropical

[01:03:00] fruits juicy peach subtle darkness and creamy mouth feel let's see if it lives up to that description huh certainly creamy that is a creamy mouth feel it's on moving on from stomps creamy mouth I've got a just a main beer company

[01:03:30] lunch IPA so nice how does your mouth feel it feels just regular whatever doesn't feel whatever stomp was talking about no my wife get like the apparently they sell these at Trader Joe's now my wife for some reason I'm like why can't

[01:03:50] you go to Market Basket but she's gonna go to Trader Joe's I knew we should have gone left back there stop don't worry I know it's this way I've got a feeling in my gut are you sure you're not about to have a bowel emergency totally we got

[01:04:08] this but I just blew out my hip fell down that gully with my 40 year old micro spikes suck it up stop it's 4 p.m. we're at 3,500 feet we got nine miles back to the parking lot your leg may be broken we got no cell connection and we

[01:04:23] can't feel our fingers but we're finishing all of my list tonight by the way I need some water I'm empty I would if I could see what I'm doing but my headlamp batteries are dead you gotta be kidding me what a chump this is the last

[01:04:36] time I hike with you ha whatever mr. you know me I have a podcast whatever let's find out what Mike and stomp have been hiking all right and now moving on to the part of the show where we talk about recent hike stomp so it looks like you

[01:04:58] went did you go butt sledding down cannon is that what's going on no that wasn't me but yeah this was my number 28 out of the winter 48 I went up Kingsman Ridge Trail it was mint I bare booted the whole way up without traction I put

[01:05:14] my traction on for the way down like a three-hour turnaround for the whole trip it was really nice it was super cloudy for most of the trip out at the summit it broke and it just made for a really nice nice hike a little bit cold but I

[01:05:26] bumped into Andy and Sandy cannon on the way up and oh nice yeah they were doing good and that was great to see them there's some of the reckless people and Andy he's like he's like yeah I was butt sledding I'm like oh that's cool where

[01:05:42] do you do that he's like oh you'll see so when you get up past the the glades of that's that ski trail that sort of zips back and forth over Kinsman Ridge Trail there's that junction where you go left and it's just the last quarter mile up

[01:05:56] to the first overlook it was completely flat from Andy's butt sled mark and I couldn't believe how long the track was I had not considered that section for butt sledding and butt sledding something we haven't talked about

[01:06:09] recently but this is a great spot for it other one other sections that come to mind would be you know Liberty Liberty is a fantastic butt sledding area and so anyway yeah that's my hike but you guys have any butt sled favorite

[01:06:22] locations salty and cock number one oh yeah good call that's a steep one yeah that's definitely a steep one yeah coming off Tom the long slide I had to come off past Avalon that long long slide long long oh you get some good

[01:06:43] sure for sure I heard Valley Way I've had some runs on Valley Way that go for like three or four minutes like the lower part of Valley Way is pretty good mm-hmm the cog also Lance and Camilla they brought like the the euro sleds yeah

[01:07:00] they went from like basically not Jacob's ladder but like the top where we're the where the skiers all go up to you know halfway mark and they went all the way down on their butt sleds in like 10 minutes so yeah it's good

[01:07:16] options super fun that's a great time I'd fish and Jimmy by accident was more of a plinko yeah I was I did I took the crew out to Owl's Head so I had a good

[01:07:30] crew of the Jake stir and Peter and Steve who's the guy that I met last year on on the Carters and then Nick yeah joined us as well and Mike my keen so it's great to great crew and yeah we went out to Owl's Head it was pretty

[01:07:50] uneventful it's just a long day it's 17 miles 18 miles what was your route so we did it basically break this hike up into like four sections so you've got Lincoln Woods which is about two miles two and a half miles then you take the Black Pond

[01:08:06] trail and the second section is essentially like Black Pond bushwhack the other one thing I did screw up on was I missed the actual real Black Pond bushwhack and I went to this other like unmarked trail it's basically like you

[01:08:20] can go left of the drainage or you can go right of the drainage I unfortunately don't right of the drainage and then picked up the bushwhack again so it's no big deal but so that's the second part is basically the Black Pond bushwhack

[01:08:32] that's about two and a half miles then you get on to Lincoln Brook trail which is basically a flat trail he's got a couple of water crossings and I think that's maybe about a mile and a half or so two miles and then you get to the

[01:08:47] Brutus bushwhack so we did not go up the slide we didn't go that far down Lincoln Brook we went up the Brutus bushwhack which is essentially going up like the southern end of Owls Head and I think Mike had broken trail up to the

[01:09:06] connection to the Owls Head path and then I took over from there but yeah we had to break trail so we barebooted from Lincoln Woods Black Pond Lincoln Brook we didn't I didn't even put spikes on everything was just pretty much packed

[01:09:20] out or there was like minimal snow and then from the Brutus bushwhack it was like pretty heavy snow believe it or not it was like crusty and then we hit 3,500 feet and then it was like soft powder so we put our snowshoes on at the

[01:09:34] bottom of the Brutus section and then made our way up but it was steep hmm steep and then yeah we just had lunch at the summit and then reverse course and came back no issues with the water crossings everything's bridged over okay

[01:09:49] we sent our heaviest guy over first and he had no problem so we're good to go I wrote on the I wrote on the trail conditions I was like water crossings no problem just send your least favorite hiker in your group over and have them

[01:10:03] test it out that's hilarious it's a good one I'm at 43 of 48 for the winter 4,000 footer and then I had an epiphany on this hike I originally I've got to do the Zealand Bons traverse to finish up the winter 48 mm-hmm and I decided like

[01:10:22] originally I was like I'll do it in a single day I think I'm just gonna stay over at Zealand like I just I'm not interested in doing a death march like that so yep how come you didn't do the slide you just didn't want to risk

[01:10:36] going up the slide in the winter no not so much it was just like there was no it was cloudy it was snowing yeah a bit and there was no view so and I had never done

[01:10:46] Brutus and I was like oh let's just do something different so yeah yeah if there was a view in the like blue skies and then maybe I would have gone up the slide to get a little bit of that view out into the Franconia Ridge but yeah

[01:10:59] wasn't wasn't even it wasn't gonna happen well that was the day the squalls are coming into by the end of the day the squalls were coming in crazy so yeah we got to like Black Pond it started coming down like crazy and yeah it was like the

[01:11:16] roads in Lincoln were really bad driving home that night oh my gosh was that a Sunday night it was any of you guys out on the road like there was like six accidents it was terrible everywhere yeah I was it was awful up

[01:11:28] here yeah unbelievable yeah so yeah I was white knuckling it but yeah that's it for recent hike stop all right cool let's see so Fieldstone kombucha New England's premier craft kombucha company if you're in the heart of New England

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[01:13:02] healthy lifestyle right yeah you want to eat when you're hiking yes yeah what we just start with first though would you go ready for the stomach I think I'm a calf guy probably yeah I would suggest I don't know I think I'm a calf guy I go

[01:13:23] with the calf it's like you know oh god it's time for slashers notable hike of the week if you want to be considered for the hike of the week simply tag slasher on your social media post

[01:13:48] so stomp this is the part of the show where we do notable listener hikes of the week and this is the I think this is the first time that we've ever had a notable listener hike with with a guest yeah yeah yes I'm guiding a I am

[01:14:02] screws and luchi of notable heights just for the record never the notable hike look at the competitions that's all I'm gonna say before you read them yeah and I think the problem is that like you here's the issue Dave is that you do

[01:14:17] like the you do like awesome hikes but you like this a lot of times they're very obscure even to like me and stop oh my where the hell is this guy hiking so although I feel like you should have gotten like you did that hike at the end

[01:14:30] of um what's that road that goes out to Percy Peaks and all that stuff there was that you other than that yeah yeah didn't you do the end yeah I should have given it we did the longs and use and with comb and yeah a couple bunch of

[01:14:46] stuff out there in a truck so I don't know maybe maybe Littlefoot was doing something that week and you got knocked out she was and someone completed their 48 and somebody else was on Everest and it didn't matter it didn't he's just a

[01:15:02] little sore because I think you picked me for the notable hike of the week last spring when I did the Crawford Ridge pull to traverse like the whole this qualms I did this traverse like miles and she made up a shirt that she said

[01:15:18] notable hiker and I had to follow it look at it the whole trip that's great that's right so stop we need to just make a pledge like we will never ever get he's gonna be the Susan Lucci for infinity that's hilarious

[01:15:35] never the notable hiker yeah so for the listeners like so this is um so Dave who goes by Dave shits in the woods is with us and he's like consistently always puts in for notable listener hike of the week and apparently I didn't know this

[01:15:48] but he's never won so which I think is hilarious well we have some we have a Dave Schatz posted so Melvin Hill Dave yeah whatever yeah he's Springfield Mountain on a second tag you did Crotchet Mountain and Morgan Pond Mountain very cool Dave very cool

[01:16:14] I'd Liz accompany me in three of those it was a good trip oh here come here comes some hikes by some little people so sorry Dave yeah yeah so little foot hiking adventures did Liberty flume for 43 of the winter 48 and then Osceola's

[01:16:31] for 212 out of the grid and 407 out of the grid for Mimi let's see so we have Carrie Burrell opted for North Kearsage over Adams due to the frigid temps that was this last Sunday Cameron Casey three did Star King and then of course

[01:16:51] your crew from I always had Mike you had gingerbeard keen that was his number eight Nick Hikeson plays guitar that was his number 27 for the winter 48 and that's all I have from there so there you go so any winners yeah little foot

[01:17:17] there's no vote I just declare the winner and it's not Dave Mike I think Dave dropped is he still with us I'm just kidding I can't hear like my own crew notable I guess I can't oh I can't yeah insider trading I wrote a speech

[01:17:38] and everything it's just changing the date well I mean so we might as well just get into so this is we'll just move into your segment so Dave and Liz are you ready are you ready for this is big moment

[01:17:50] even study in the script I hope right okay it's time for slashers guest of the week very cool very cool all right so this is our so we're doing a listener spotlight we've got Dave and

[01:18:31] Liz here so we want to welcome them for this listener spotlight so again their experience local hikers they frequently get out to some of the more obscure areas of the whites in pursuit of the hundred highest and the 500 highest list

[01:18:45] then a bunch of different lists they got a lot of experience so they are part of this like this secret cult of the 500 highest that stomps along with it's kind of like an Illuminati group that that's run by stomp I think but stop can you

[01:19:01] give a little bit of background so you were the one that had sort of reached out and I think organized this whole evening here so can you talk a little bit about how you've got to know both both Liz and Dave sure sure well you two

[01:19:14] have both caught my attention individually and then as a peer for your just pretty prolific work on the 500 list in particular so I've been paying attention and your Dave in particular your your descriptions of the hikes that

[01:19:32] you do are really awesome too and just both of you seem like really cool folks to come in and we try to bring in listeners every now and then just to break things up and give the listeners some idea of who's out there and what

[01:19:45] they're doing and what they're all about so we thought you two would be a really great addition and you know thanks for agreeing to come on despite how poorly we treat Dave you know we really appreciate it yeah yeah yeah

[01:19:59] great hikes not notable just great yeah whatever whatever stomp whatever you know and also for the for the listeners just just to give the listeners a heads up Dave has one of those like um you know when you defeat all the other IPA

[01:20:20] bros beard he's like the final boss version yeah yes yeah so I'm sure I'm working on mine it's not not working that were very well but so Liz why don't we start with you why don't you introduce yourself can you talk a little

[01:20:37] bit about your background talk a little bit about how you got into hiking and outdoor activities and all that fun stuff sure um I am NOT someone who grew up hiking I actually grew up in Western New York near Niagara Falls transplanted

[01:20:49] here after college with my husband and late 90s and that's when I started hiking because there's really cool places to hike pounced around a bit and then we had kids so didn't hike as much I got into running a lot ran everything

[01:21:06] you know everything from 5k to marathons and then when the kids were a little bit older we I started dragging them out for hikes they liked it they didn't like it that kind of thing so then I decided to do it myself and started poking around

[01:21:20] with smaller hikes and then Dave introduced me to the 4,000 footers and then it kind of took off after that I really got into hiking not so much running anymore but a lot of hiking so similar trajectory to me like I sort of

[01:21:39] the same background like it was a big runner and then cut into hiking and did you when did you like what date did you really start getting into hiking around the whites was it the 90s or 2000 no no it was it was later like I just like it

[01:21:54] for a long time it was just little things like manad knock and pack manad knock and Mount Major and it wasn't till like I don't know 2016 17 18 somewhere in there I started doing more and more and then after kovat I just took like that's

[01:22:08] all I did yeah did you were you mostly a day hiker did you get in a backpacking and all right so pretty quickly yeah I started with the day hiking and then my very first backpacking trip was with Dave and

[01:22:21] another friend of mine for my for Izzy and I finished our 4,000 footer list on a backpacking trip when we did the the bonds as a backpacking trip and we actually kind of did a loop in the penny so Dave introduced us to backpacking on

[01:22:37] that trip and then found that I really enjoyed that as well so I've done other trips since then and how did you and Dave meet our kids went to school together so PTO he was the PTO president

[01:22:58] the face of the PTO I mean I applied to be you know on the cover of PTO monthly and nothing just same story same just one thing it's not a it's honestly not a

[01:23:13] bad move because you get to meet all the moms if you want to go that route I was being the more protective parent and not no it's a creeper ish just say you know

[01:23:23] but yeah I can't confirm that I was yeah the long and short is I met the kids I didn't want my kids hanging out with which was kind of cool but I also met moms that were very nice to talk to which was wonderful you know that's good

[01:23:38] so so it became like a spinoff oh that's great and so he didn't he must not have given off too many creepy vibes then if you were like willing to go out into the woods alone there was no Bill Cosby

[01:23:54] no and then he he's a he's a handyman and I hired him to do some tiling in a bathroom and we became friends and he told me about his hikes and then he dragged me dragged now I invited me to hike cannon like summer 2020 and I had

[01:24:13] already done a couple four thousand footers but with my family and that's when I decided that I wasn't going to do the 4,000 footer list at all nope nope I said it on that hike I wasn't gonna do it and then I did it did it there was it

[01:24:28] like a thing that you so for me like I was obsessive about it like you know I gotta do all and I ended up expanding it to like the 52 of the view in the 25 but

[01:24:36] were you did you do it very deliberately once you started going or was it just more casually okay you get the same personalities that sounds like and do you did you start off with just like sort of three season hikes or did you

[01:24:54] get in a winter hiking pretty quickly I got into winter hiking pretty quickly because David already finished his 4,000 footer list when he introduced me to the list but he had he'd been he'd started working on this winter 4,000 footers so

[01:25:09] he took me out that winter on a test like just before winter Liberty and flume which was the most horrid hike ever because the conditions were horrible like really soft loose snow raining and I decided I wanted to do it again like

[01:25:25] do something else and he I think our second one was is that the hail hike I think then we and then we did the fireward our first bushwhack was accidental was a winter hike of hail via fire wardens but we never found fire

[01:25:44] wardens so Dave's like let's just bushwhack up hail yeah yeah it's reasonable honestly it's like I mean aside from it being a really windy day and the big trees swaying above my head kind of freaked me out a little bit we

[01:25:58] made it to the top so that was our first bushwhack we found fire wardens path to come down it yeah yeah it's very like was this in the winter or was this in regular three season it was in late December early January and then so he

[01:26:14] was as he was working on his winter list he just I did winter owls head my first winter hiking winter 4,000 footers so yeah I just want to go back to one thing that you had talked about because and this has nothing to do with hiking

[01:26:31] but like I get this at every once in a while like people at work will get married and they'll you know everybody we have this like thing where we'll talk about like okay what's the advice that you want to give somebody for like a

[01:26:41] good marriage or like you know life advice and I always say and I actually me and my wife like we were able to find Ken is our handyman and I mean this guy does like electrical and plumbing and he does carpentry and he does

[01:26:59] windows and I'm like and what I tell people is that if you can find a good handyman that has the ability to do like a bunch of different things like that is one of the keys to a successful marriage it's a key to a good life

[01:27:12] because you build that relationship like it's just it saves you so many headaches if you have that person that you can call when you know the furnace goes out and you know that they can they can tweak it or you know you gotta get a

[01:27:25] window or a door put in so I don't know if you found that with Dave or not certainly you got a lot of hiking experience but yeah I mean my husband's pretty handy he does a lot he does a lot of our electrical but some of the

[01:27:37] construction type stuff that Dave can do you know we have a new kitchen maybe a couple things that Dave's of course I help them out with a lot of stuff because I'm pretty handy not as handy as Dave but I like to paint and that's what I am

[01:27:51] that's what I do Ken's like I don't paint and I'm like I got it. Absolutely. Alright well so then you complete your 4,000 footer like what did you feel like it did you feel empty afterwards or did you feel like all right

[01:28:04] there's more here I'm gonna do additional lists or I've got like plans to do other things or what was your thought around like once you finished it up? I had already found the 52 with a view as I was kind of finishing up the

[01:28:17] 4,000 footer list I did have a little bit of a letdown on that on that backpacking trip because it's like wow okay that list is done but I jumped right into the 52 with a view finish that like a year later and then I was

[01:28:30] poking around he I think David already found that the highest hundred list and I joined him on some of those hikes and then I discovered there were 500 like alright I could work on this list for a long time which is exactly what I wanted

[01:28:43] it's got great ideas for hikes lots of obscure stuff and I'm not in as big of rush to finish this one it's gonna take a while but I don't I have plenty to choose from. Yeah yeah that's fair and then are you no hesitation about going

[01:29:01] out on your own solo hiking? Not at all I am I started the solo thing slowly like I didn't just go out and do a 4,000 footer by myself like I think my first solo hike was Willard because it's pretty safe and I started small and then

[01:29:16] I think right after Dave and I did Cannon with a couple other friends I decided to do the Osceola's by myself and the Hancock's and I lived to tell you know live to tell the tale so I'm like alright I can do this. I'm a very

[01:29:32] prepared person I was a Girl Scout I was a Cub Scout leader like I get the being prepared part so remember a hike I did I was doing Kerrigan and a friend of mine is like I don't know if I feel comfortable you hiking by yourself so I

[01:29:45] emptied my pack out and I showed her everything I had in the pack she's like okay I feel much better. Yeah I think of that too like this weekend you know I carried more than I should have but I was also like alright if something goes down

[01:30:01] then you know I can wait it out for a little while so it is it is tough but as far as like your access to information so you got Dave as a sounding board it

[01:30:13] sounds like he was a little bit ahead of you as far as like his experience hiking did you over time like are you a researcher online or do you just rely you do yeah absolutely lots of research you know different the different sites like

[01:30:26] finding out what other people have hiked what you know especially in the winter what's been broken out you know the different I like the there's a Facebook page for the 100 to 500 highest there's some good information on there and yeah

[01:30:42] so I do a lot of research look at the weather like all those kinds of things I'm constantly going down rabbit holes of ideas for hikes yeah yeah I do the same thing and then as far as like favorites if you could sort of identify

[01:30:57] you know it does it could be any anywhere but do you have any favorite areas of the whites that you'd like to go to any favorite mountains any favorite routes that you or routes that you've taken that you want to highlight to the

[01:31:10] listeners yeah I hate it when people ask you this question because I there's something about every hike that I enjoy so it's kind of hard to say oh this mountains my favorite but you know I was looking at that the lists and saying

[01:31:23] like you know with the 52 of the views I think all faces in the moats are my favorite I really enjoy that those areas I love that bald face Royce's like that side of the States kind of neat I don't get there as often but I really like that

[01:31:39] area I think as far I really enjoyed my hike up Jefferson because I did it caps Ridge and I did it solo before the road was open like I had to walk in the road

[01:31:51] it was that one year where like it was they kept saying it was gonna open it was one of the last roads to open I don't know why and I'm like it's me I

[01:31:59] can hike this and it was an awesome hike and I really enjoyed when Dave and I Dartmouth because we had no idea we were gonna get a view I guess it wasn't Dartmouth itself it was our approach to Dartmouth what's the peak Dave that we

[01:32:17] said no no Millen Hill yeah millet no I'm not milling Millen Hill yeah like you poke out and you can see the presidentials it's so cool like we had no idea and it's that those little happy surprises sometimes on the bush wax

[01:32:33] where you get a view and you're not expecting it oh yeah it's awesome do you as far as the gear that you use do you can you talk about like what is it what's your backpack what do you tend to use for like trail runners or boots and

[01:32:50] anything you you want to give advice as far as the listeners I have a couple Ospreys depending on you know the time of year I have the 50 for the winter yeah and then the I don't know like 28 32 something that for the summer I'm not an

[01:33:05] ultra light pack person because I like the frames at the Osprey have I discovered trail runners and love them to death and will wear them as long as my feet don't get too cold so like all summer and then as soon as it starts to

[01:33:20] get cold I have to wear regular hikers but because I have Raynaud's so I struggle with the the fingers and the toes and the winter boots are the the keen rebels I think the 40 below boat boots I learned something very

[01:33:35] important I had a pair for two years that were a little tight and I really start struggled with cold toes for I finally decided just to buy the next size up and I have had no problems right I tell people this all the time I'm like

[01:33:50] don't double up on socks like circulation is the key yeah it's you know loose is better yeah it's been a game-changer this winter I suffered for two years in those boots what do you do with Raynaud's war with your hands what

[01:34:04] do you do to manage that like do you have any have you been able to like you just deal with it or do you have like tricks to actually keep your hands warm it's it's a process I have I usually have hand warmers I have glove liners

[01:34:18] and then I have an over glove and it's a process of like I have to constantly pull my hands out when I'm especially going uphill to keep them from sweating too much but then I have to tuck them in as soon as they're cold but the hand

[01:34:28] warmers in there help a lot and for the most part I can I can manage it it's just a lot of gloves on gloves off gloves on gloves off I can never have my gloves

[01:34:36] off for too long in the winter so so so guys it's safe to say if we're in a cannibalistic situation we're not starting with Liz's fingers back to this

[01:34:50] unless you want charcuterie. Oh. It could be like a cold platter. You know, drinks and cheese and cold cuts. That's true. Yes, it's true. That's not a bad idea. Well let me let me ask you this Liz so when you hike with Dave

[01:35:05] and I've got this problem with a lot of my friends like I'm the picture taker like I end up taking like a hundred pictures and they'll take like five pictures are you the picture taker or is Dave the picture taker? We both take a

[01:35:17] lot of pictures he takes more than me which is really funny so my I in my former life I was an art teacher and my focus was photography. Yeah I see the photos in the background there. Yeah and so for him to like anybody to take more

[01:35:30] pictures than me is a huge deal like yeah because we don't talk about that enough like it is important like if you're gonna have like and people like connect with you know through hiking buddies or whatever they connect with

[01:35:41] these hiking partners like you really need to keep an eye out for like the volume of picture taking that goes on. There's a lot of pictures. It's important because I want people to

[01:35:50] take pictures of me so I have like I could they can send me pictures so it sounds like you guys have that that that covered any plans for like do you get out of New England are you gonna hike in anywhere else outside of the area or

[01:36:05] are you mostly just focused on New Hampshire do you go to Vermont Maine anything like that? You know obviously mostly New Hampshire my my parents for a long time lived in Colorado so though I never did a 14er it did a lot of

[01:36:17] hiking in like the front range kind of where they lived. I am going to Utah in April with a friend of mine she lives in Florida so she doesn't get out much to

[01:36:29] hike but she does enjoy it so we're gonna go to Utah for a week and do some hiking in Utah which I've never done before. It's one of the few states I haven't been to. I do get I've done some hiking in Vermont I'm planning for a

[01:36:44] couple of days on the long trail in late May early June with a friend of mine. I think I'm also going to be going to Maine maybe like we've been talking about possibly going for a couple days in Maine so yeah I pounce around. And are

[01:37:00] you so do you mostly a weekend hiker or do you have luxury to sort of hike midweek or how does that work? I stay away from the weekends as much as I can I like midweek hiking it's just lovely. All right are you I mean you don't have

[01:37:16] to disclose this but like what do you do for work that allows you to do midweek hiking? I call myself a retired stay-at-home mom. Well my youngest just went to college so I have a freshman and senior in college right now so I'm I

[01:37:29] worked as a teacher then part-time and then you know basically stayed home with them so I do this and I've gotten into volunteering thanks to you guys. Okay. I adopted a trail after listening to you guys and I also got involved with NESA

[01:37:45] New England Healing Sports Association so I volunteer with adaptive skiing. Excellent so you're keeping busy. That's great thank you. Yes. So awesome all right well the last question I have for you and then we'll move on to Dave here is

[01:38:01] have you had any issues as far as safety goes and then do you have any thoughts or advice I mean obviously you listen to this podcast and we talk about hikers getting in trouble and some of the basic things that you can do to mitigate those

[01:38:15] situations. Do you have any thoughts or comments or advice for people around safety when it comes to hiking? Yeah I've never really been in a situation where I've you know worried for my safety or needed thought about maybe I'd

[01:38:29] have to call search-and-rescue or limp out on my own. I haven't had any of those issues. I stress you know being overly prepared. I carry probably more than I need to you know the two headlamps and every time I hike I feel like I'm adding

[01:38:44] something else to my pack because I realize oh that would be really good in case I need it. And I this other hiking friend of mine Izzy she's a college student that I've kind of watched grow up and I dragged her out hiking because

[01:38:58] she started the 4,000 footers with me and she was 18 at the time and I've taught like worked her through learning you know what more she needs to bring with her because she used to bring her snacks and her water. And rely on you for

[01:39:13] everything. Exactly so and then she's gotten into she's she's trained in wilderness first aid she's a you know outdoor leader at her school like she's really gotten into it so it's been fun to like kind of pass the information on

[01:39:26] to somebody. Yeah do you think your kids will ever get into it like you are? My youngest absolutely like he's big into skiing he's into hiking he wants to join me for a backpacking trip this summer so I'm you know kind of now

[01:39:40] passing that on to him as well which is nice. Yeah it seems like that way like I got three and one of them it hit the other ones are like no but who knows maybe they'll change their perspective as they get older. Yes he really likes

[01:39:53] anything on the terrifying 25 list. Okay yeah that's that's his jam for sure. Yeah that's that's a good one so you get the young guys with the adrenaline right? Yep. All right stop anything else for Liz before we talk to Dave? No no I'll

[01:40:10] ask a couple questions at the end. Okay sounds good so Dave we learned a little bit about you so you the way you became obviously like your your username on Instagram is Dave shits in the woods and that sort of obviously stands out

[01:40:26] because it's pretty unique but I feel like more and more my friends or people that I've seen have these verb based usernames on Instagram so I don't know did you were you the one that invented this or did you just hop on the trend

[01:40:40] early? It's all you. I created it actually it's if you have the pause in the wrong

[01:40:47] spot I'm actually a singer-songwriter it's Dave's hits in the woods. You could have told us that like a year ago. I know but I'm not a notable hiker and you know you had to suffer a little too. I'm going to continue to say Dave shits in the woods but anyway so my friend Steve. No it isn't a dietary issue it is the

[01:41:12] asbestos colitis issue it is it is an earned title unfortunately it is an action. If people want to follow suit yeah you know they could probably come up with better action names than that. It's a good trend and that matter of fact

[01:41:24] that my friend Steve who he has an Instagram page that the theme is essentially like he'll take various food he took like snowballs you know those pink post-its things. They're disgusting but he took one of them and he'll take a bite out of the

[01:41:41] food and then take a picture of like the the food with the with the landscape background or whatever so he was originally something or other but he changed his name to Steve eats shit like meaning like oh I'll just eat shit.

[01:41:56] In response to you. I can give him my trail reports if he wants. So anyway but why don't you introduce yourself and talk a little bit about your background so here's a couple things we've already learned so we know that you're a handyman we know

[01:42:14] that you started hiking it sounds like a little bit before Liz and apparently you're a priest so can you work or you were a former priest okay. One of those is true yeah one of those is false I should say it's like that game you know

[01:42:27] what I mean. Yes yeah two truths and a lie. The priest is a policy I mean you know the PTO is true. But he has hiked as Jesus. Yes we did a Halloween hike up Mount Israel and I was

[01:42:44] dressed as Jesus and there were people crowding the summit and I tried to ask them to part and then criticize them for not really singing in church and that my father was watching him there's a lot of discomfort it was a lot of fun. Do you

[01:42:58] find when you so I get this like I feel like I creep people out like I'll have conversations with people on summits and I feel like I give off creepy vibes so I

[01:43:06] don't always get a good reaction but do you tend to get a good reaction when you talk to strangers on the summit? It depends on the situation there is there was we're on one of the hikes that's I forget what it was they asked me to take

[01:43:20] the picture and whiteface yeah it was we you know it's launched into the whole like well that's really you know good for you to handing your camera to somebody with ankle monitors and everybody's face just froze and looked

[01:43:32] down and then back up kind of half laughed and I was like yeah so yeah I mean generally yes and when they do get uncomfortable I just tell them hey I have

[01:43:43] a podcast my name is Mike you guys should check it out it's really good. That's a good one. Yeah well can you so can you talk about so we didn't get to introduce you yet but

[01:43:55] we'll get to that I guess but like when did you discover the podcast and can you talk about like so your impressions I'm kind of curious because you've been like a listener for a long time. Yeah it was actually what we were doing the

[01:44:07] watcher Liz and I had gone up to watch her and we were trying to do a loop we usually do that around Columbus Day whatever they go up that way and she was telling me about this podcast with these two guys and they're down to earth and

[01:44:17] all that stuff and I was like okay yep I'll check it out I'll check it out and then it was like kept coming up I'm like yeah I'll listen to it eventually and then I listened and I was like I should listen longer and I started listening

[01:44:25] and it was like the third or fourth episode when you hit Chaga on and all these clues started clicking I'm like I know him like from hockey and I was like wait a minute so I pinged him I'm like do you know so and so he's like yeah

[01:44:39] man I'm like nice so it kind of came full circle and then I just started listening more podcasts and then I heard about the notable hikes we won't dig at that scab right now but and it just it just each episode progressed and I liked

[01:44:53] what I really like and still enjoy about the show is the diversity that like you're not only getting the message out but you're you're encouraging people to do different things and I think that's fantastic because the white bonds are

[01:45:05] just huge and beyond the whites the state of New Hampshire Vermont Maine there's so many things to do and see yeah and I think that's why I stopped like push to like let's let's get Dave and Liz on because I think that's like

[01:45:16] one of the things that I tend to be more of like the traditional like the 4,000 foot is 52 with a view but Stomp keeps it honest and you guys all also as well like you're getting out into the little corners of of the whites which is

[01:45:29] awesome so we're we're glad to have you here but why don't you like it let's so you know Jimmy Chaga so that's that's interesting but what can yeah I lost a few points there yeah I guess sir James Chaga the third is he likes to be called

[01:45:45] great guy great guy matter of fact he's like he's responsible for building yeah yeah nice guy he's great but so give us a little bit of your background how did you get into hiking outdoor stuff and you know start from when you were a little

[01:46:03] kid yeah okay well sir wants to know my dad was kind of outdoors we used to go fishing out in the back way to quarry near us and we you kind of it's a trail

[01:46:13] but it's more of a bushwhack you go out we'd fish it was untouched territory you'd catch monster fish but it was more of the walk in the time spent with them and he's still with us I don't want to make it sound like a sad story still

[01:46:24] with us which is awesome and he's still super active he geocaches all that he was actually having a heart attack when he was geocaching so hold on story he's still great fantastic but we used to do a lot of that we can't out west New

[01:46:37] Hampshire and every year we would go do mount Mananock and we did it because we were bribed with Pizza Hut afterwards in Keene so we'd like pile in the van go to Pizza Hut with the old oh yeah the red cups the old-school Pizza Hut you

[01:46:49] know and you'd sit look at the mountain you just hiked and it was like it was kind of cool you just did that we did that for years then you get to the teenage years and I didn't want to do anything and then got a job in corporate

[01:47:02] America I was an accountant for 10 years so I just drank and got fat and I was killing that for a while moved away from that got active again go back on the ice started trying to run but I can't because I'm built like

[01:47:16] plywood I don't run so I kind of found different things to do and by chance my wife and I went to one of her friends weddings and I started talking to the groom and he was a big hiker younger than me and he said he can't ever get

[01:47:31] anybody to go hiking they all say they want to they never do and I said well I love to go I you know I do some hiking and sure enough we went we did a cardigan

[01:47:40] we went down to fire screw and we found the grotto we it's like just really cool and we just connected we started hiking a ton and that's kind of when I really got into it my wife had bought me the white mountain guide and I was like all

[01:47:53] right cool there's bigger mountains in there I should check that out and I started doing a bunch of hiking with Josh he kind of taught me a lot about everything you know name it trails starting fires camping dehydration

[01:48:09] hypothermia firsthand all that stuff you know when people say experience they don't they always think it's like all knowledge like sometimes it's really shitty experience that kind of shapes you and that's how you learn it's how

[01:48:20] you get better nobody wins at hiking you don't become a great hiker you learn he was awesome about that and I just kind of took it from there and got into the four thousands Josh we finished the four thousands and then it was later in 2000

[01:48:41] something I think it was he he came down with relationship itis and then unfortunately we lost him to marriage and a couple years ago yeah so I don't hike with him as much happens it does it does I actually got to officiate the

[01:49:00] wedding which was fantastic they get married on Willard so I got to do the ceremony up there and that was a whole group went out we did a ceremony in that was that logistically like it's a pretty straightforward I mean well it's a small

[01:49:12] hike and everyone's a hiker so but it was was there anybody in either one of the families that was kind of like oh man I can't make it up here or was it no no problem there no worked out great everybody was um she has older kids in

[01:49:26] the peak everybody went kind of half dressed up not necessarily they put the dresses on at the top went in the woods came back out did the ceremony and so he is a priest I guess technically it goes full circle I guess that day I was yeah

[01:49:45] you should connect with Mike Chairman just back him up in case he if he ever had to pull out of a way go I can go flying in okay yes yeah um so I have to

[01:49:54] you know Josh didn't hike as much I kind of just I did a lot of solo stuff and I was just you know plugging away at the list of four thousands and then the

[01:50:02] winter and then like so we cross paths with Liz and doing work and then talking about hiking and I was like okay and of course you know you're kind of guarded like okay yeah sure let's uh let's let's go up this mountain and see how

[01:50:15] you do without saying let's see how you do and then okay let's see how you do in these conditions because you don't want somebody out there that you know it's gonna get you killed and eat you so you know you gotta be very selective so

[01:50:28] it all came together and then I hiked a bunch with with Liz and I still do a lot of solo stuff I just keep keep at it keep active with the list that you pursue so you got the 500 you got the hundred you've got the 67 you got all

[01:50:44] these do you do you I've found that like obviously with the winter 4,000 foot as I plan them out a little farther ahead of time but like when it comes to just regular hiking I almost just pick like a couple days before I have a

[01:50:58] general idea in my head but how fluid is it when you pick your hikes are you pretty pretty much locked in or do you just pick like the night I'm a planner anyone will tell you that I'm a planner but I'm also like go back a little

[01:51:11] further as I got a book a while back called shrouded memories I don't know if you've heard of it it has a lot of different history stories of the whites and that fascinates me so not just the peak but what happened in that area it

[01:51:24] has stories about the person that was shot near the cog railway and there's a gun still up the woods there it talks about there was a murder and the last person hung it talks about the Willys and then learning that the Willys

[01:51:35] aren't actually buried where the Willie house is it became a game of well where are they really buried and it took a ton of research so when I pick a mountain for example if I pick a highest hundred a lot of those are like that's the deal

[01:51:47] you're going up the highest hundred because the option of bouncing off to another peak is pretty limited because they're usually pretty brutal not to scare anybody that you just tend to be not all of them but some of them are just

[01:51:58] that's your day some of the other ones the 52s you start to I use an app which is a phenomenal app called wilder wilder list it allows you to track all your hikes you can import and export spreadsheets but what's really cool is

[01:52:13] you can when you kind of it'll track all your lists too but when you span out or show all the mountains in the area and then some of the other ones will show like different things like when I was hiking East Pond it talked about

[01:52:27] this this mining company that used to be there and they used the diatomaceous earth and they scraped East Pond and they used to mine and like this is there's an actual mine you know building out here so it would snowball

[01:52:38] into like okay if I want to hit that I can go find that and I can hit that peak so it's not as planned as a 48 we don't necessarily plan a route you plan a

[01:52:47] route with other things to see along the way if that makes any kind of sense no that makes sense and I think the history piece of it obviously resonates me and stomp are always talking about the history piece and like I've been into

[01:53:02] like you know going into the PEMI and trying to find some of these old logging roads and things like that and stops obviously been over to Livermore and you know there's there's always cool history to be found in in the white so I

[01:53:15] definitely get that do you have like is there any sort of historical like events in the whites that yeah I mean you know I'm you I know you mentioned a couple of them but is there any like history events that really stand out that you you

[01:53:27] obsess on I'm just fascinated to go like there's a couple of mines there's an old lead mine that I kind of you come off a mountain I kind of found my way up the top of it and then perhaps legally or illegally found a way

[01:53:42] into it which was really cool and exciting in different some of the plane crashes like water Nami if you have if you've ever been up there it's just moving to be up there to know what happened when the bomber hit and how the

[01:53:55] town rallied and the history of the pilot and how he the secondary story of how it's amazing he's still alive stuff like that is really cool the pond of solitude is it yeah enough upon a solitude the pond with the pond of safety

[01:54:12] like the whole story there it's just cool to be where they've been oh yeah yeah yeah we slid up to there in the winter that's a great spot yes I'd like to do that that's to me it fascinates me it's more than you know I love the peaks

[01:54:25] I love the views I love the Sun rises I love the Sun sets what part of that the there's more to this obscure things there's caves there's planes there's so many different things to stumble across yeah I always get excited about the early

[01:54:40] paths like the Crawford path Davis path like thinking about like when we would do it like we did the Langdon Traverse earlier and I was thinking like that little that little outlook where you can see out into the the presidentials and

[01:54:52] like okay was dart does this has got to be how Darby Field approached it and like he probably saw this view and was able to sort of figure out what route he was gonna take from there so I always get like I'm always thinking in terms of

[01:55:04] like the early people that visited the whites and what they you know what it would it be like if how they experience where the trails aren't marked and they've got to make their way through like to me it just fascinates me how

[01:55:16] they were like okay I'm gonna I'm gonna pick this Ridge to build Davis path to go up and not turn yeah I'm just gonna go right on the ridge through the next guy shoulder yeah yeah it's fascinating so all right so you you plan things out

[01:55:35] pretty well do you do you ever just say like screw it I just want to go and hike Mount Adams amount at Madison in the summer and you know I don't care about

[01:55:43] the crowds yep but I do care about the crowds yeah I would take a time to go where they're not crowded I tend to like be hermitish I don't you know I prefer not to be in crowds I've had a lady yell at me in Mount Washington

[01:55:57] because she was you know I would try to get around her and she kept speeding up wouldn't let me go around and then yell at me and I was like I don't understand

[01:56:05] oh my god those are the worst situations yeah I could what a nightmare I was like I'm not fast I am like I'm five foot nothing I'm not a fast hiker at all and I'm like just you know yeah so people aren't necessarily like oh you know not

[01:56:24] a crowd person that's the beauty of bushwhacking is you can get out in the woods and you do get that feeling of the Explorers you just you don't know if anyone's ever been there before yeah yeah it is fascinating now some of the

[01:56:37] lists that you're doing so you're getting close to finishing the 67 in the New Hampshire 100 highest do you do you slow roll those finishes because you just want to keep going and do some other stuff or are you are you like going

[01:56:50] after those to finish them soon by default I slow roll it mostly because the ones I have a way up northern Maine and they do have excursions up to Katahdin but you know it's a big big bite to go up there and it's a big plan

[01:57:04] and as far as the last of the hundred highest I have the technically it's like a hundred and four I don't know why they throw the bonus for it I have of the six like I went to go after wolf yesterday Liz and I actually went out we

[01:57:18] got to Blue Ridge you had to break trail and I was hitting what I call lieutenant Dan snow drifts where it's like you ain't got no legs because you're like you're up to your hips and you're just not moving and I'm like I'm gonna break

[01:57:32] trail as much as I can but we hit Blue Ridge and I'm like that like we can push to get to wolf we'll get there by four or five will we back out by eight or nine

[01:57:42] and it was like the whole graph of fun in satisfaction to exhaustion and enjoyment it's like they're not crossing it's time to go back so this snow makes it really hard the depth now on that note there's two people last year is Matt I

[01:57:59] might say Ron Janarone and Rebecca Schubert they did the highest hundred single season in a winter which yeah I don't I can't even express how insane that is to me like if you've done these in the summer or even with a little bit

[01:58:12] of snow to think about doing these hundred in a single season it blows my mind yeah I remember they did that that is that is crazy the it is interesting though so like the one thing that is so critical about and it's a good thing

[01:58:29] obviously when you gain experience but like being able to do those math calculations and know like okay like I'm past my time where you know now I'm gonna be faced with coming out of here with a headlamp and I don't want to be

[01:58:41] doing that or you know I just don't want to go past that I don't want to be out there for 10 or 12 hours I only want to be out for eight hours like just being

[01:58:49] able to calculate like okay how much time is it gonna take me to go back the way I came it's not the same as how much time it took you to get there sometimes

[01:58:56] so that level of experience over time is critical for safety and the only way you can really get that is to experience over time and it's just hard to explain to someone that doesn't know the area how how you gain those skills but I

[01:59:13] don't do you have any any sort of thoughts around the safety and how you manage things to make sure that you stay out of trouble yeah you know controlled failures I guess the way to say it like when I first started with a hammock I

[01:59:27] went in the backyard did well then I tried a remote spot next to a campsite and I got cold so I slept in my truck until I realized I needed a quilt then you build up from there I've had longer hikes where I've known it could be

[01:59:42] potential for trouble and you just you plan for certain things and the more you fail the more you learn as long as your failure is controlled I guess is the way

[01:59:53] to say it in your you can get out on the other side of it okay you will learn from it and the biggest question you have to ask yourself yeah you can do all

[02:00:03] these things but why why do you need to go get that summit right now today why what okay you accomplish and you get back you're dead tired you missed out on pizza you can't have a beer if you feel awesome then do it then that's what

[02:00:15] drives you then then go don't let other people's thoughts and concerns you know people will always try to measure themselves by your accomplishments and you try to measure yourself by their accomplishments you're either gonna be

[02:00:27] disappointed or encouraged you kind of have to throw all that out and just if it is gonna be a personal game you do it if you know you can do it and if you know you can push through it and you've had a series of failures that you've

[02:00:40] recovered safely and you know that you can go bigger go bigger but also know when you're screwed you got to know when that walls ahead of you it's like you could but on the other side you don't come back and you get ahead the gear

[02:00:54] that's gonna give you a little bit of time when things go south 100% down so yep which I mean we talked about this with Liz Liz you know you talked about how you you carry probably more than you need to are you as you are the same

[02:01:06] mindset Dave yeah I'm the guy that's like out on like crotchet mountain and everyone's like oh just sleep out here last week you know just stay out last night I'm like no like I just bring a lot of stuff because you know like if you

[02:01:19] think of in the term of cars I'm like a 1970 Tercel with like 600,000 miles on it so if something's gonna go it's gonna be big it's not like oh the windshield wiper heater doesn't work it's gonna be like no the transmission

[02:01:33] dropped out and this thing's not moving that's gonna be me in the woods I'm screwed like my body's just at that age and that mileage that it's like I got to be ready to sleep on the ground for a couple days until they find me yeah I

[02:01:44] was matter of fact I was thinking that exact same thing like we will so we were going up the Brutus bushwhack last weekend and I don't have like the televators on my snowshoe I have another I bought new pair of snowshoes but like

[02:01:57] I got a I got a job so I brought my old snowshoes and I don't have the televator and I was thinking like this really steep part of Brutus and I was like this is like the scenario where my Achilles is gonna like snap and I'm

[02:02:09] gonna be seven and mile you know eight miles out so it's like I had that in my mind and I was like all right I can't talk my ankle too badly I want to want to protect it but it's the same idea that you're talking about is like

[02:02:19] something goes wrong it's gonna go wrong severely and you got to make sure that you've got like okay enough gear that you can hunker down for 12 18 24 hours yep it's a process to me it's like you know not to put it in terms of anything

[02:02:33] but you hit a thing of discomfort you know your discomfort part of hiking is getting comfortable being uncomfortable as part of regular hiking bushwhacking through hiking whatever you want you get comfortable with being uncomfortable you learn to manage discomfort when discomfort becomes pain it has to get

[02:02:49] your attention pain you can mitigate but then when pain becomes to a point now you're pushing injury once you have injury welcome to scroogeville you know once you have that injury depending where you are it changes everything so

[02:03:01] you have to kind of be where you aware of where you are on that scale in my head you know it's not a constant like how am I doing now is everything okay have I've enough fluids you know it's more of just you just know your body

[02:03:15] after a certain amount of time you know what you're doing you know where you are like oh this is like that time on X mountain when all of a sudden I got the

[02:03:21] leg cramp and I had to tap out or this is when I was hiking with so-and-so and they threw up because they were dehydrated like there were smaller hikes but you learn I guess is the way to say it yeah and the bet the

[02:03:33] backpacking stuff that you've done over the years so you had mentioned in the notes here that you've done the long trail have you done any other long through hikes you did like son of P Greenway I think that you had mentioned

[02:03:43] you but you talk about yes the Sun a piece of great great starting I guess if you want to call it that it's not easy you know nothing really is but it it's an awesome beginner or experience it's got plenty of places to tap out is

[02:03:56] the way I look at it and if you're from there it's fairly local you can get you can get out pretty easily get rides but it's a great experience I enjoyed that a lot the long trails amazing it's you spend the first section with the AT

[02:04:09] hikers and then you kind of get thrown into the woods of Vermont and if you like mud it's the best place in the world yeah I hear that what about like outside of New England like so I noticed Liz didn't invite you to Utah but

[02:04:22] any any plans to go outside it's a notable hikers hike and only they're allowed to go oh yeah that's true I am blacklisted sorry I'm not on that list yet so yeah I'll advise you my next big trip do you good out do you ever get out

[02:04:42] of New England at all or do anything not for today I mean we do we do we do family trips and that like mrs. Schitt's is not a hiker so we'll do we actually

[02:04:52] were younger we spent a lot of time in the whites doing the base and doing doing that you know the white stuff up in the National Parks and all that and we've been to the Grand Canyon and things like that Yellowstone and we

[02:05:03] didn't see anybody doing what he was doing there in the yellow actually we saw a lot of morons but that's a different story too so yeah we not necessarily pure hiking but just kind of getting out not so much beyond the

[02:05:17] New England area yeah and I don't want you to give away any of your secrets but like abandoned trails like I've been taught like the one that I have like my I guess my white wheel that I need to get up on a matter of fact we were

[02:05:28] talking about this this weekend but I do eventually want to get up the old Adams slide trail eventually but have you is there any abandoned slides that you want to talk about or share with the audience that that really gets you but

[02:05:43] they do that you would recommend people check out since I've done it I probably won't be back for a while I'll talk about on the backside of the bald faces when you go up I think it's the what's the really steep on the south and north I

[02:05:54] always get it backwards oh yeah that's um yeah yeah if you come off like I did a trip up over Eagle Crag in the north to south if you go over the back of South

[02:06:03] there was a trail that connects out there to this two trails out there like the rainbow trail it used to be called I think it might even call that I can't remember the exact name of it it goes down it's a steep drop and then it goes

[02:06:18] in this incredible birch glade near this like moose heaven it was one of the coolest places that I kind of camped out for night and then I pushed on and did the two there was two peaks in between and then came out over by Eastman and

[02:06:32] hit Eastman and that and that there's a trail if you can pick it up it's pretty cool um you can't always tell that you're still on it but every now and then you'll catch glimpses of like it's so clear where it used to be yeah it

[02:06:47] looks like so you say basically you're saying hit south bald face and then there's like there's Sable Mountain Chandler Chandler and Sable correct yep if you drop back if you go right off the back side of that it dips down and

[02:06:59] there's an old trail if you can pick up the old maps from it's either the 30s or 40s and you can follow the contours it takes you right up through Chandler and Sable yeah cuz I'm looking at like on the on the map here still I'll stomp

[02:07:13] when now we got a wheel spinning here so like salt ball fish you drop down like it's a pretty flat like it basically goes down about 500 feet and then pretty quick just take that shoulder of Sable Mountain and it seems like it's totally

[02:07:27] doable and when you look down off a south bald face like you can look down into that forest and it is like it's pretty open you can almost see old Karen's coming off the downside of South bald face if you're going down you pick

[02:07:38] them up in the woods what looks like it to me and then when you get out into the glades nothing I haven't picked up any blazes on any of these yet but when you

[02:07:47] pick it up you can almost see where you go through the woods how how the topography and you follow the lines it's like you're a hundred percent on a trail and then you know a half mile later you're like where the hell am I you know

[02:07:59] like where to go and you can see like when you come I mean Chandler looks a little bit more steep but like you can see coming off of Chandler to reconnect back up to Eastman like that you can totally see how that like basically that

[02:08:12] drainage at 2400 feet just right it just is a straight walk right up there it runs the problem with the drainage you gotta be careful because it does drain into a bog so you got to kind of ride higher elevation but yeah you can make a

[02:08:23] giant loop by going up and over Eagle Craig is it there and yeah doing the two bald faces dropping in the back camping for a night then hitting Chandler stable going across the brook and the other Tuesday we could pick up old fire roads

[02:08:36] and get your cross for bridged crossings then you you can hit Eastman and go right out make a giant loop Oh stomp this sounds tantalizing it's a great trip I thoroughly enjoyed it that's a good one that's a good one that's better than

[02:08:52] I even expected from you Dave that's the only one I'm sharing though I'm not sharing the really good ones all right all right well that's a really good one so I'm impressed but I don't know stop what did I miss anything you want to

[02:09:02] talk to Liz and Dave about well I think I want to backtrack with the listeners just for a second about the 500 highest people may not be super familiar with these but it's based on the 200 foot prominence rule so when he summit or

[02:09:17] peak or hill that has a 200 foot rise in elevation counts on the list the New Hampshire highest 500 list is one list there is another one called the lists of John which is similar so I've been doing this for a little while I

[02:09:33] think I'm at like 138 on the New Hampshire hundred highest list but on the list of John I think I'm a little lower because it is some weird calculation difference there but so just so you have a little background on what

[02:09:46] that is Liz what number are you at on the 500? 191 nice and Dave how about you? 172. nice excellent so we're sort of in the same ballpark that's fantastic cool I was curious do you two have any awareness of or interest in doing the bushwhack the 48? I actually ran into

[02:10:20] somebody this spring I was doing my trail work and I ran into a hiker who said that he was working on bushwhacking all 4,000 footers and I was I had no idea that was a thing. that is a thing that is a tough thing there's very few people

[02:10:38] that have done it I'm fascinated by it I mean me personally I've done I think I've maybe done one and that would be Liberty with Jimmy Chaga and I mean just to clarify what that means I mean bushwhacking is supposed to be just

[02:10:55] walking through the woods without a path I mean there can't be a path if it's a herd path sort of like Brutus I would think is probably not a traditional bushwhack it's probably a bino a bushwhacking name only but yeah yeah

[02:11:11] yeah so it no there's this distinction there there were a lot of like Vosper for instance is probably not so much a bushwhack anymore because there's such a clear path to the top so anyway yeah so anyway that's something I was thinking

[02:11:26] about like man we don't talk about the the bushwhacking the 48 I've probably seen two people tackling that list in my brief career hiking here that that's a big big ask I mean that that's amuse that's that's crazy yeah I love

[02:11:44] adventure and then there's that line where it's like nope good right where I'm at well that's what's sort of neat about the highest 500 because literally you could you could climb something that's literally 201 feet and you've got it

[02:11:58] and there's always something special about the 500 I found like no matter which one it is there's always something that makes it a really special unique adventure so yeah this handed to you and Liz I'm super super jealous that you got

[02:12:12] my can't get mangas from the Livermore side because that was a great I was a great approach to like doing it okay yeah can you tell me about it just briefly because I'm I wanted to do it and you beat me to it my god damn it

[02:12:28] really didn't even seem that hard cuz you beat from the height of land at the Livermore Trail the first parts really steep but then it's open woods and it's not that bad at all I did the a day straight he said he did not do it that

[02:12:43] way he went in from the king yeah no it was oh it was not well yeah we've all seen that from the cake that side that side is brutal no my line was really good it was a great bushwhack that's great no I really admire you too for

[02:13:06] tackling it that's awesome is there is there any view on Mount Kankamangas you like pine trees that's the problem there's not a lot of views in a lot of these hikes so but that's the payoff there's also no trail runners true

[02:13:23] there's nobody bitching about post holes there's no you know there's a lot of pluses to it when you do get a view it's usually pretty epic it's usually like framed in the trees it's usually pretty cool you get a better chance to see in

[02:13:41] moose you get a better chance of wildlife I mean it's just it's different yeah have you ever stumbled on like moose or beer or anything like scary when it comes to animals yes a couple moves we startled a moose going up to the what is the true

[02:13:59] summit of the 52 there I stink at names what is it Pagas right yeah the true summit of Pagas is actually a bushwhack and on the other side of the blowdown there was a small young moose that jumped up and I followed it and it was

[02:14:13] like the whole scene at Jurassic Park where it's like I was right on it right on it like even its crap was still shiny I was right behind it and I could not

[02:14:21] catch up to it again and then it's that moment of like is it hunting me clever girl like I just couldn't catch up with it again and I've had bears on the Sunapee Greenway they actually kind of eyeballed the bear bag and stuff the

[02:14:38] scariest thing about bushwhacking to me is finding something you shouldn't find like some kind of cocaine operation out in the woods we don't yeah and in campsite ones we talked about that oh that is probably the creepiest thing

[02:14:52] when you're like what the why is this out here and you're like absolutely I'm dead I shouldn't have found that yeah right right that's that is the one negative yeah I think I think like the like every once in a while you'll get

[02:15:07] like these this person did like like that girl in Utah that got kidnapped and they brought her out to like a camp and like kept her there for like six months imagine just accidentally stumbling on that like oh my god I say that'd be my

[02:15:18] luck I'd be like all right yeah I just uh well I mean some have talked about this like if you're in that scenario and Liz you can chime in too like do you just go into like um you know like commando mode and take everything over

[02:15:33] do you just run away and scurry off I would run away if I found someone kidnapped you're running away Liz I think if I found a kidnap situation I just hit the old in reach button okay all right that's good and then just do

[02:15:49] the like you pretend like I'm talking into us and be like you know this you know Green Beret Dave's in the woods here found it make you know isolated hope sending paratroopers hope the battle platoons

[02:16:03] coming behind me shit's about to go down you better just get down on the ground now hope that they bought they buy it right yeah exactly spark bark bigger than you are and all right well you guys we learned a lot I think that

[02:16:17] tip on both the bald face is great I think Liz you putting up with with Dave through all this I'm impressed I also know that now we will never ever give him the notable like award yeah keep submitting you will be Susan Lucci

[02:16:36] forever I'm scrolling podcast right now to see what else is good luck if they'll invite you on as a guest so let's let's call it a night and then again you know we do want to just make sure that our you know thoughts and condolences are

[02:16:59] with the family of Christopher Roma certainly it's a reminder that you know these and yeah and friends and friends for sure it's it's hit everybody unbelievable so rest in peace Chris