Episode 143 - Josh Bogardus - “The Caretaker”, plus recent Hike on Mt. Was

[00:00:00] Here is the latest higher summits forecast brought to you by our friends at the Mount Washington Observatory.

[00:00:30] The Mount Washington dot org, whether observers working at the nonprofit Mount Washington Observatory, write this elevation-based forecast every morning and afternoon.

[00:00:42] Search and rescue teams, have a lunch experts and backcountry guides all rely on the higher summits forecast to anticipate weather conditions above treeline.

[00:00:52] You should too. Go to MountWashington dot org or text forecast to 603-356-2137.

[00:01:12] And here is your forecast for Friday March 8th and Saturday March 9th.

[00:01:18] Friday in the clear under mostly sunny skies, high in the upper 20s with winds north shifting northwest at 25-40 mph, decreasing to 10-25 mph, with a wind chill rising to 15-25 above.

[00:01:34] Friday night in the clear under increasingly cloudy skies, low in the mid 20s with winds north west shifting clockwise to the south at 10-25 mph, increasing to 20-35 mph when chill will be falling to 0-10 above.

[00:01:52] Saturday in the clear under cloudy skies, trending towards in and out of clouds late with a slight chance of snow showers late, possible snow accumulations of a trace to less than 1 inch.

[00:02:04] With a high starting in the mid 20s then falling to the lower 20s, winds will be self at 25-40 mph, increasing to 45-60 mph with gusts up to 75 mph and the wind chill will be falling to 5-5 below.

[00:02:34] Saturday in the clear under the mid 20s with winds north shifting west at 25-30 mph and the wind chill will be falling to 5-30 mph and the wind chill will be falling to 10-25 mph.

[00:03:01] from the Woodpecker Studio in the great state of New Hampshire.

[00:03:04] Welcome to the sounds like a search and rescue podcast

[00:03:08] where we discuss all things related to hiking

[00:03:11] and search and rescue in the white mountains of New Hampshire.

[00:03:15] Here are your hosts, Mike and Stump.

[00:03:31] Okay, Stump.

[00:03:47] Cracking a beer.

[00:03:49] Ah, you're feeling better, I see.

[00:03:51] I am, I'm cleared up.

[00:03:53] So episode 143.

[00:03:55] 143.

[00:03:57] You know 143 is, right?

[00:03:59] Yes, I love you.

[00:04:01] Oh, you do?

[00:04:02] Oh, I didn't know you'd know that.

[00:04:03] I didn't think you would.

[00:04:05] Well, last week when I was saying 142

[00:04:07] because of the, or into the wild bus,

[00:04:09] I was thinking, oh, am I getting this right?

[00:04:11] I want to make sure I say this right.

[00:04:12] I don't want to mix it up with, I love you.

[00:04:14] How do you know that 143 means I love you?

[00:04:17] I feel like that would like...

[00:04:19] It's dated.

[00:04:20] I used to say that way back.

[00:04:22] Mr. Stump will kill me but my high school sweetheart

[00:04:25] and I used to say that.

[00:04:28] Oh, oh boy.

[00:04:30] Hopefully Mr. Stump doesn't...

[00:04:32] So that's the my understanding of that.

[00:04:35] I knew it from the Howard Stern show

[00:04:37] because I listened to Howard Stern for years

[00:04:39] and there was like one of the guys on the show,

[00:04:41] his wife got into like a, not in a fear

[00:04:45] but it was like an emotional affair

[00:04:47] and she was like messaging this guy 143 or whatever

[00:04:50] and it means I love you

[00:04:51] because it's like one letter for I,

[00:04:53] four letters for love and three letters for you.

[00:04:57] But my understanding is that that's what people would page

[00:05:00] their boyfriends and girlfriends

[00:05:02] as one, four, three back in the day

[00:05:03] when pages were a thing.

[00:05:05] Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:06] Yeah, so I don't know.

[00:05:08] That makes sense.

[00:05:09] EPP, Peef.

[00:05:13] There you go.

[00:05:14] Anyway, anyway, so that's episode 143.

[00:05:17] So welcome to episode 143

[00:05:19] of the Sounds Like a Search and Rescue Podcast.

[00:05:21] This week we are joined by Josh Bogartis

[00:05:24] from Warden.

[00:05:26] The Warden brand was started with the goal of becoming

[00:05:28] one of the go-to production partners

[00:05:30] for outdoor filmmaking in New England and beyond.

[00:05:32] So Josh is going to join us for a segment

[00:05:35] to talk about the production of the Caretaker.

[00:05:38] So the Caretaker's a short film focused on the Harvard Cabin

[00:05:42] which sits in Huntington, Ravine on Mount Washington.

[00:05:45] So the film follows the story of Jack Kingsley,

[00:05:48] the Harvard Cabin Caretaker

[00:05:50] who spends his days observing

[00:05:52] and documenting the snowfall, weather patterns,

[00:05:54] and wildlife in the area as well as helping

[00:05:56] to manage guests staying at the Cabin.

[00:05:59] Josh will share the background of the production

[00:06:01] of the film and provide some details about what goes

[00:06:03] into filming in and around the White Mountains.

[00:06:06] All this plus we've got a recent hike

[00:06:08] via the M and New Sick Reveean Trail

[00:06:10] and down the cog.

[00:06:12] Stomps, neighborhood gets set on fire

[00:06:15] and throw it in the Hampshire.

[00:06:17] We got a story about the Caretaker's North Fire Tower.

[00:06:20] Snow was melting everywhere.

[00:06:22] We got some Mount Everest news.

[00:06:24] We've got notable hikes

[00:06:26] and we've got recent rescues on Mount Manadnock

[00:06:28] and Mount Major Swammike.

[00:06:30] And I'm stopped. Let's get started.

[00:06:50] This has been Peace from Hiking Buddies.

[00:07:00] We are a 501c3 nonprofit committed to reducing

[00:07:04] avoidable tragedies through education,

[00:07:06] impactful projects and fostering a community of support.

[00:07:09] You can find out more at hikingbuddies.org.

[00:07:12] We wanted to say thank you to those who have supported our mission

[00:07:15] and most importantly say thanks to those who speak up,

[00:07:18] who ask questions and who are willing to provide guidance and assistance

[00:07:21] on the trails when needed.

[00:07:23] You embody what it means to be a hiking buddy.

[00:07:25] And now for all my newer hikers out there,

[00:07:27] here's this episode's Hiking Buddies Quick Tip.

[00:07:36] Leave no trace principal number five.

[00:07:39] Minimize campfire impact.

[00:07:42] Douse your fire completely with water

[00:07:47] and leave nothing burning.

[00:07:50] Disperse the half bird wood around the area.

[00:07:54] Return the area to its natural state.

[00:08:04] Let's get started on our right stop.

[00:08:06] So we are one month away from the eclipse.

[00:08:10] So the eclipse is going to be on April 8th,

[00:08:12] which is a Monday and it's going to...

[00:08:14] I think the path of...

[00:08:16] What is that called? The path of...

[00:08:19] But something.

[00:08:21] But like loot.

[00:08:22] I'm going to have to Google that.

[00:08:24] I have no idea.

[00:08:25] Path of totalitarian.

[00:08:26] Path of totalitarian.

[00:08:27] Path of totalitarian.

[00:08:28] I've never heard of that.

[00:08:29] By the way, that would be like an amazing band name.

[00:08:31] Path of totalitarian.

[00:08:32] Path of totalitarian.

[00:08:33] Heavy metal.

[00:08:34] Right.

[00:08:35] Yes, exactly.

[00:08:36] So the path of totality, which means that it'll be fully dark,

[00:08:39] is going to be like northern Vermont, northern New Hampshire

[00:08:43] and then parts of Maine and then up into Canada.

[00:08:46] So just to remind you, I think somebody had messaged us around like

[00:08:50] if you're going to plan to go up there and go in Vermont,

[00:08:52] a lot of the trails are going to be closed because of mud season.

[00:08:55] You will be able to go into New Hampshire

[00:08:57] because they don't do those closures in the mean.

[00:09:01] But I don't know, Stomp, do you have plans you taking that day off?

[00:09:04] I'm working currently but I will definitely take some time off

[00:09:08] for that moment when it happens.

[00:09:10] But I'm curious if the weather will cooperate this year or not.

[00:09:14] It's always a big factor.

[00:09:15] Could be a big bus.

[00:09:17] It could be a huge bus.

[00:09:18] Well, I mean it's still going to get dark though.

[00:09:20] Even if it's cloudy.

[00:09:21] I suppose, yeah, I suppose so.

[00:09:23] Yeah, I suppose so.

[00:09:24] So we'll see.

[00:09:27] I took the day off but now I may be traveling overseas.

[00:09:31] So I may miss it.

[00:09:33] Oh wow.

[00:09:34] Will you be actually en route?

[00:09:36] Do you think at the time?

[00:09:39] No, I'll probably be traveling that weekend and then I'll be on that Monday.

[00:09:45] But we'll see.

[00:09:47] Got you.

[00:09:48] If I don't travel then I'll definitely head north but I think I'm going to miss it.

[00:09:53] I think I'm going to be in Europe.

[00:09:55] Cool.

[00:09:56] That would be excellent anyway.

[00:09:58] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:59] But anyway, so sad news in your neighborhood Stomp,

[00:10:02] was it a force fire or was it like a house fire?

[00:10:06] What happened in Thornton this week?

[00:10:08] I don't think the Marshall has determined the cause but it was a row house of condominiums

[00:10:16] near the Welch-Dicky Trailhead, maybe about half a mile down from where I am.

[00:10:20] And it displaced several individuals that live there and work in the area.

[00:10:27] We did lose a pup.

[00:10:29] Unfortunately, everybody else survived but one pup named Ada passed unfortunately.

[00:10:35] And yeah, it's been pretty wild.

[00:10:38] I was driving home from work when I saw the trucks coming behind me at Pullover

[00:10:44] and you could see the smoke billowing in.

[00:10:46] First of all, oh my god, it's just the force on fire but it wasn't.

[00:10:49] We watched it for a little while that night from a nearby bridge

[00:10:54] but the community is really rallied together for all these people.

[00:10:57] And we'll give a plug for the show notes here.

[00:11:00] Occasionally we get people asking what the hell are the show notes?

[00:11:03] So the show notes are attached to every episode that we publish.

[00:11:08] And Mike you might want to explain where to find these because what I'll list here are several links that will be in the show notes.

[00:11:16] Yeah, listen.

[00:11:18] I spend at least like 30 minutes every week putting these things together meticulously.

[00:11:23] Exactly.

[00:11:24] And now you're telling me people don't know where to find them?

[00:11:26] I get a couple of questions.

[00:11:28] Click on the show and then scroll down and the show notes are there.

[00:11:32] This is not difficult people.

[00:11:34] The internet's been around for 20 years now.

[00:11:37] So there it is.

[00:11:38] So the reason why we're pushing the show notes is because these links for these individuals

[00:11:43] or for GoFundMe's and various PayPal's where you can actually donate and help these individuals.

[00:11:50] So word is red cross is helping.

[00:11:52] The first thing I saw was the camped in police.

[00:11:55] We're actually accepting donations.

[00:11:57] The link is again available and they have a very specific list of clothing and boots and whatnot.

[00:12:04] But there is a PayPal set up by Fishing Game which I was glad to see for Viviana Aristecchi.

[00:12:11] And she's actually a member of Pemisar.

[00:12:15] She's a teammate and it's great to see everybody stepping up to help her.

[00:12:21] Also Johnny Owen and Kylie, there's a GoFundMe.

[00:12:27] I think their connection was with Watervella if I remember correctly.

[00:12:31] I'm not clicking on these links. I'm just going through this.

[00:12:34] Sean, a local police officer who lived in the building and also lost his pup, Adda or Ada.

[00:12:41] Has a GoFundMe up there.

[00:12:43] Becky Jones is the kitchen manager for Mad River Coffee.

[00:12:46] Mad River has been really supportive publishing on their social media pages, links and QR codes to donate to these people.

[00:12:55] And then finally Owen, Amanda Pearson and Ryan Reed.

[00:12:58] They were the Watervella employees so it pardon me for that.

[00:13:01] So click on the links at the show notes and see what you can do to help all these folks.

[00:13:07] I mean I can't even imagine losing everything like that.

[00:13:10] Literally everything.

[00:13:12] Yeah yeah it's terrible.

[00:13:14] I mean I'm not sure what I joke about the show notes but essentially what you do want to do is when you go into the feeds whether it's spotify or apple or you go directly to our page.

[00:13:23] Just, seriously like just double click into the show and then scroll down and you'll see the links in the summary of all the stuff that we talk about.

[00:13:31] We usually have like somewhere between 20 and 30 links and we'll make sure that we include these fundraisers if you want to throw some support and love to the folks and Thornton that lost their homes and possessions.

[00:13:43] So it's terrible.

[00:13:45] Any time of the year is terrible but this is just not good.

[00:13:48] Yeah yeah for sure.

[00:13:50] Hey on the positive note congrats to all the AMC award winners.

[00:13:55] A lot of people are starting to post their pictures of their awards that they're receiving in the mail and that is coming up on the 20th of April.

[00:14:03] We're excited to be there we actually were invited to have a table so we'll be there with our holographic stickers and postcards.

[00:14:11] Yeah so we're looking forward to it.

[00:14:15] It'll be a nice time and Mike you're a recipient as well aren't you?

[00:14:20] Well I've got to finish.

[00:14:22] I gotta get up to Mount Hill and then I think we're gonna have to maybe pass the deadline.

[00:14:28] I'll have to see if I can beg them to give me my award well in there.

[00:14:33] So I'll go up to Hill like I think either next weekend probably I'll have to get it.

[00:14:42] Yeah at that point I mean maybe next Friday I might go up early and just go see if I can grab somebody that wants to go or I might go by myself on Friday morning and just finish it up.

[00:14:52] Bang it out dude bang it out.

[00:14:54] Bang it out so that'd be good just an anti-climactic finish I go by myself on Friday morning because I got to get the day off and get rejected by AMC because of the deadline.

[00:15:04] Too late so I'll be like but I have a table anyway.

[00:15:09] But yeah I'll finish my winter 48 which would be great so very good so we want to also plug there's an article that came out in the union leader that plug.

[00:15:21] The Kier Sars North fire tower so yeah we're gonna talk about the the Harbord cabin and we talked about some of the AMC Hudson things like that but there is an option for an overnight stay on Kier Sars North.

[00:15:33] Kier Sars North is off of Hurricane Mountain Road in Conway so it's got a nice fire tower there and it's pretty roomy you can fit probably like ten or so people in there.

[00:15:45] There's no stove or anything like that it's pretty rustic but there's a nice article here with some of the hiking buddies so I met Heather and obviously I know Rhonda really well so they did a nice article.

[00:15:59] They took some pictures of the crew and there was a group of about ten ladies that hiked up and stayed overnight and they've got a nice picture with the light at night with the lights on in the fire tower looks really nice

[00:16:13] so it's just an article that sort of talks about like the different hiking routes and what it's like to sleep up there so they and they interview Heather a little bit she's got some quotes in there

[00:16:23] and I think Rhonda may have some quotes as well so yeah we'll share this in the show notes.

[00:16:27] Yeah very nice very nice article and beautiful pictures too beautiful photos and stop I think me and you like we probably had one of the greatest undercast I've ever seen in the whites that day that we height Kier Sars North.

[00:16:39] Yeah we should repose some of those pics because they were really nice wow yeah yeah unbelievable so even I've got some pictures with you in it that have undercast and even the fact that you're in them still makes the pictures good.

[00:16:51] That's right right well I wish you the worst I hope you get a tick on you.

[00:17:00] Oh no it's that it's that time of the year so articles are coming out that said early spring is going to bring ticks into here sure.

[00:17:09] Yep that's right yeah there are sightings already according to this article that we will post from WMUR Channel 9 so it's that time you know the snow's gone at the mud and everything else is out there

[00:17:21] and ticks are starting to show up on animals and people and of course hikers will be in that crew as well yikes.

[00:17:30] Yeah we'll have to do our annual tick prevention segment at some point the next couple of weeks.

[00:17:37] Yeah get nabby in he's he's really informative when it comes to treating some of the maladies that you can get by tick bites and but

[00:17:45] but prevention is the key obviously yeah exactly so make sure that you what is that chemical that you supposed to spray on yourself

[00:17:54] per method premier yeah yeah yeah premier sounds like something out of the Lord of the Rings doesn't it.

[00:17:59] Yeah don't spray it on yourself but sprayed on your clothes and your shoes and all that stuff.

[00:18:04] All right so moving on we've got so Alan Arnet who previously was a guest on our show he's a really interesting guy

[00:18:10] he's sort of like the go-to thought leader and person that keeps an eye on all things Mount Everest so he put out a really interesting article

[00:18:20] that talks about a new requirement that was put in by Nepal for 2024 which is essentially that they require all climbers to have GPS devices or GPS beacon on them at all times

[00:18:38] the idea being that like there was about 18 people that died last last season and a lot of these cases were like clients of guides that were separated on their own

[00:18:49] they couldn't be located so I think five of them were missing so they're putting in these requirements that say that the climbers need to have these GPS devices

[00:18:57] but Alan sort of he's saying that essentially like this is the wrong technology and the wrong approach

[00:19:05] and he's got a really detailed article around you know the tools that you can use what they're best for

[00:19:16] and then the cost around them and then he breaks down details about the 2024 plan for Nepal

[00:19:23] and you know his big premise I think overall is essentially that these things shouldn't be necessary because the guides should not be separating from the clients

[00:19:33] period and the the guides right where they should be turning back you know exactly the guides should not only should they not be separating from the clients

[00:19:41] but they should also be turning the clients back way before they get to the point where they're in a risk factor

[00:19:46] and that's something that used to happen a lot more frequently and is no longer happening

[00:19:51] right right and you're that's probably why you've seen all this death up there I mean it was bad season last year apparently

[00:19:59] but yeah hats off to Alan we did have one earlier if you haven't listened to that episode it's fantastic

[00:20:05] he's climbed a lot of these 4,000 footers 14,000 footers and Everest included

[00:20:12] and the depth of explanation into the personal locator begins in the communication devices is actually worth read by itself

[00:20:21] so it's great good stuff yeah yeah and then he's so he goes on to sort of he gives like his bullet list of

[00:20:30] you know what should be done to improve safety and his list is essentially like in order to get a permit

[00:20:40] you need to have summited 7,000 meters or higher before issuing an Everest permit he's saying that you have to require all guides to be certified

[00:20:49] and at least haven't taken climbing medical and rescue courses of the Kumbu Climbing Center taught by proven qualified guides

[00:20:57] he says that handheld radios are probably more important than GPS and more reliable because a lot of times like these GPS units

[00:21:05] that they bounce off the wall of a mountain they give the wrong coordinates so yeah

[00:21:11] and then his big thing is establishing monitoring so we write down every climber

[00:21:17] and their support teams precise location went above base camp so that's something that Russell Bryce who was like one of the well known Everest expedition leaders

[00:21:27] he would constantly be radiating back and forth where are you or are you with your climb or blah blah blah

[00:21:33] so and then also establishing monitoring teams at base camp and camp 2 so that you can you can monitor emergencies

[00:21:41] and then having trained search and rescue resource resources at base camp in camp 2 on a rotating basis

[00:21:49] during heavy days with his summit pushes and then he said limit permits the 400 qualified members

[00:21:55] and team sizes to 25 members with one-to-one Sherpa support to climbing and then being any operators for a year that have a client

[00:22:05] that's missing at the end of a season because they were separated so he's like I don't think any of these are going to happen but that's what should happen

[00:22:12] right we shall see we'll find out next year yeah we'll see we should do it stop let's just drop 50 minutes each we'll go see if we can climb it

[00:22:22] yeah let's do it woo wow we were I get 50k I don't know no coffees five five bucks a pop how many coffees would that be

[00:22:36] I don't know I don't know yet to do math so stop this next one here I don't even want to like I don't even want to know what this is

[00:22:44] I'm almost like I want to skip past it but you have a here there's nothing to reference it all it says cats and therapy don't make well

[00:22:52] you'll appreciate this I didn't have a link to put to this but you'll you like it because I was doing virtual the other day

[00:22:59] and I went I had to go to the bathroom so I just like excuse me guys I you know turn off everything and turn off the mic turn off this and that

[00:23:08] I go upstairs and when I come back down Zylo is laying on top of the laptop keyboard all right no big deal so I move him put him off

[00:23:18] and then I go back to documentation and I can't sign any of the notes he I don't know how he did it but he changed my password

[00:23:29] I kid you not he changed my password so I had to go through this whole process it took about 45 minutes to get my you know get a fake password and then change it

[00:23:39] and everything else but he he went through a multi step process and changed my password

[00:23:44] well she is I mean this is just it's a consistent pattern cats are cats are evil right yeah I'm starting to be convinced of that

[00:23:55] oh my goodness yeah just kidding kiddie just kidding that was a good one what else do we have here so it's warm here but there's a

[00:24:05] blizzard that hit the sea out of I saw this like crazy you know six seven feet of snow out in California so this is

[00:24:11] the second year in a row where they've gotten I think this year isn't as bad but like this is a late season snowstorm

[00:24:16] they got like seven feet of snow yeah so good for them I'm happy that California's getting

[00:24:23] all right precipitation we've seen some of that here this weekend I mean I've seen forecasts it's funny

[00:24:29] Mel Washington tonight the forecast is saying they're getting like an inch but if you look at Bretton Woods

[00:24:34] they're saying they're getting 14 inches so I can't tell what's going on out there at the moment

[00:24:40] I don't know I see right now I see 10 inches and Gorham on Sunday yep Sunday into Monday so yeah so that's not bad yeah

[00:24:53] not enough for snowmobiling but no it's not bad it's I mean it's it was there was a lot of bear spots coming down the

[00:25:01] fog this this weekend so I can only imagine like a I mean the I drove down the road to get to the

[00:25:07] Ammonu sick and like the snowmobile those those trails were just you know what mix of mud in like just

[00:25:15] brown ice it's done it's totally done yeah I guess the takeaway for hikers over the next

[00:25:22] week or so is to remember that there is a sheet of glare ice underneath any new snow that we get

[00:25:28] because I think I still am suspicious that that's what happened on the avalan and well sticky last

[00:25:33] week or a week and a half ago just be really cautious if there's new snow yeah yeah I'll talk a little bit

[00:25:39] about like I definitely got that vibe from coming down from Washington so I'll talk about that when

[00:25:45] we get to that segment okay cool and I hate a bunch of listeners sent us that Garmin article about their

[00:25:51] first data and at first I was like oh maybe we can compare this to your data but it's actually just who

[00:25:57] triggered it not necessarily what injuries were involved or things like that you know you can

[00:26:03] take a look at it it's sort of interesting obviously hikers number one the bit largest percentage on

[00:26:08] the pie chart that they present in the article but other than that I don't think there's many takeaways

[00:26:14] if anything as to hiker injuries or medical reasons or anything like that yeah yeah it's like basically

[00:26:23] one third or hikers and backpackers you know and then the next ones is driving motorcycle boating

[00:26:29] and then climbing and mountain airing so you could sort of bucket the climbing mountain airing

[00:26:33] and hiking backpacking and that's probably like a little under half yeah and then you had camping

[00:26:39] as well so if you add a camping climbing mountain airing and then hiking backpacking that's about half

[00:26:44] and then you've got the mode of vehicle stuff which is driving motorcycle boating snowmobiling

[00:26:50] yeah and then everything else is like just small slivers you know there's a decent on a hunting

[00:26:56] which is interesting but was there yeah this some interesting data was there a sliver for people

[00:27:03] that get their garment subscription bill and like going to cardiac arrest

[00:27:08] you know I don't know and press the button how much is going on in here yeah I don't know it's it's picking out up

[00:27:16] I think yeah yeah I don't know but yeah no we'll post this in the show notes but yeah no surprise I guess

[00:27:24] and it's good I mean it's good I'm glad that people are out there hiking and they have their garment

[00:27:28] but they're calling for an emergency so I will say that I am keeping an eye on this starlink

[00:27:34] starlink has they've done the prototype and they've got satellites out there that can directly interface with the chips on cell phones

[00:27:41] and they've done the prototypes and you will be able to I don't know how many years from now maybe a year or two from now

[00:27:48] you will be able to utilize starlink on your cell phone

[00:27:53] you know I don't know they'll have to set up a disagreement with with Apple or Android to make that happen

[00:28:00] but I also wouldn't be surprised if knowing Elon wouldn't shock me at all if he comes out with his own phone

[00:28:07] yeah would you actually try it out yeah yeah heck yeah I mean given our lifestyle and you know the fact

[00:28:14] that we're out in the wilderness like that type of phone having the capability to get satellite

[00:28:20] you know it works as long as he's not listening like I still get I mean my God my phone's listening to everything

[00:28:26] because I get the ads that pop up a few hours later probably I was free and I'm like I yeah I don't know

[00:28:34] like with that I definitely have said things before and then all of a sudden like I look and I've got an ad so yeah

[00:28:39] it's great. Put your tinfoil hat take your tinfoil hat off so

[00:28:44] all right so yeah so we'll see if there's snow out there and then the garment stuff came out

[00:28:52] and then swag response has been off the chart. So when we posted some sweatshirts

[00:28:59] and some t-shirts so if you want to buy them I put in my order so there is like there was a glitch

[00:29:06] stop I was getting like camo versions of different colored but yeah I don't know if you fix that or not

[00:29:12] I think I have I talked to tech support over there and there was two options that fixed it so it should be steady now

[00:29:20] but yeah that camo one that dark camo was Mrs. Thompson's design so that's pretty cool looking she has that coming in the mail too

[00:29:28] but anyway thanks for everybody grabbing them I was blown away by the interest and the purchases so that's great

[00:29:35] and they are going off the door it's dirt cheap I mean we're literally making like a buck or two off of these stupid things but hey yeah yeah

[00:29:43] I mean these things like literally they're gonna fall apart the second you put them on but you know hey it's good

[00:29:49] I don't know man Bob fire's got a good rep we'll see yeah we'll see how it goes

[00:29:54] but it's weird like the t-shirts of 25 but the sweatshirts of 35 usually like the sweatshirts are like a little bit more expensive than that

[00:30:01] I'm curious to see what they like yeah okay alright yeah so stomping you you put as this article in here so the yo simbity fire falls

[00:30:12] so if you go to yo simbity in California it was out there last year they do have like a certain time of the year

[00:30:18] where yo simbity falls I think it is gets hit by the sun and it actually just like lights up the

[00:30:25] it lights up the waterfalls that it looks like it's like a fire it's flowing it's amazing yeah it's amazing absolutely beautiful

[00:30:33] so it's a video and this article gives you details about it so check it out it's really nice yeah yeah

[00:30:39] alright and then you've got some I did a rug I did a rod dog stories in the news here so some of these dogs have gotten

[00:30:48] killed by snowmobile so they're requiring them to put on like neon vests yeah and then there was a

[00:30:56] mousse that got entangled with some of these dogs and the the mouscher or whatever had to kill the mousse

[00:31:02] because it got all tangled up so that that must have just been insanely kale can you imagine yeah

[00:31:09] yeah so I did a rod in the news oh there it is yeah and then ginger beer and sent us another one

[00:31:15] snowmobile who crashed into a black hawk suits for damages this is a neat story apparently snowmobile

[00:31:22] or dark black hawk is doing training they park on a trail without any warning or notice and snowmobile

[00:31:31] crashes into black hawk gets injured tremendously and now they're suing apparently there's been some settlement in the

[00:31:38] story so check it out very interesting story we'll see what happens with that one imagine to your

[00:31:43] up there like snowmobile in a helicopter lands on yeah yeah alright stop and then show like a show

[00:31:56] news or whatever so you've got to move your studio upstairs so you're proposing that you're going

[00:32:02] to be too busy doing that in that we want to not have a podcast next week is that right yes sir yes

[00:32:09] yes no pod next week what do you what do you move into where you what are you doing I'm getting out of

[00:32:15] what's going in the basement of the dungeon in the basement up to a bright sunny room and it's going to be a

[00:32:21] much needed change so to do that it does take a lot of work so after this gets published I'm

[00:32:28] actually repainting the room upstairs to so it's just like this multi layered process but I'm

[00:32:33] going to need the week to make sure that everything's up and running and together again so that being said

[00:32:40] we will not have a show on what the 15th Friday the 15th of March and we'll be back to 22nd

[00:32:48] okay so I'm going to do that that works for me yeah all right cool maybe I'll get motivated maybe

[00:32:52] I'll just I'll just record something on my own we'll say yeah go for it that'd be great okay we'll see you

[00:32:58] could do a show of dad jokes yeah yeah well all right all right stop speaking to dad jokes just

[00:33:06] as a part of the show we do a dad joke how to moth swim how to moth swim moths swim

[00:33:13] I died I don't know this is a deep one they use using the butterfly straw

[00:33:25] all right you cross that one out thanks again to Camilla and Lance for the dad joke

[00:33:30] I'm not going to cross about I'm gonna like I'm gonna keep going until I start repeating the mistake yeah start repeating

[00:33:37] them so 365 all right let's skip the pop culture news because we don't care so let's do our

[00:33:46] first sponsor all right 48 peaks let me pull up the old copy here user passion for hiking to help

[00:33:55] and Alzheimer's in one collective effort 400 plus hikers will climb the hamsters 4,000

[00:34:01] footers or create their own challenge to support the mission of the Alzheimer's association the annual

[00:34:07] hikers celebration will take place Saturday June 8th at reckless brewing company with raffles food

[00:34:14] and an amazing community hike that weekend or any day you want no fundraising minimum required

[00:34:23] but those who raise $100 will receive this year's performance grade purple t-shirt let's turn the

[00:34:29] white mountains purple to end Alzheimer's visit all's dot org rights lash 48 peaks to learn more that's

[00:34:37] a L Z dot org rights lash the numbers 48 peaks very good and apparently this week we have some coffee

[00:34:48] donations and that's very very much appreciated Laura Eli donated three coffees at solo dot hikes donated

[00:34:58] two coffees stacey tartiff donated five and she's recovering she's on the mend after some surgery so stacey

[00:35:06] wishing you all the best and hopefully you can get out there and start crushing some peaks soon okay

[00:35:11] and Tony Stewart Tony thank you very much for the donation she donated five coffees and she's a local legend

[00:35:21] around here in the parts right Tony yeah that's right thank you everybody so what's that

[00:35:27] that what's it off of my 50,000 to get over to Everest did that take a dent out of it yeah you close you close

[00:35:34] another six more coffees to go okay all right cool and don't sweat it don't sweat it we're good

[00:35:42] and he is our next Valkyrie skier does your back stop stop hold on I just said don't sweat it

[00:35:52] and then you're supposed to go oh speaking of sweat oh my god you know what I was thinking in my mind

[00:36:00] was oh my god there are two sponsors in a row what the hell we should have spaced this out better

[00:36:06] well don't sweat it's don't sweat what do you mean does your back sweat does your backpack not

[00:36:13] provide enough ventilation does your back sweat too much when backpacking as you know sweat can be

[00:36:20] extremely uncomfortable on the trails plus sweat is a serious risk factor in both hot and cold

[00:36:26] climates as your clothes get wet your core temperature can dramatically fluctuate see Mike you didn't

[00:36:31] think I'd go on this rant after that did you but it's true okay this can result in hypothermia heat exhaustion

[00:36:37] in dehydration let's not forget very uncomfortable so today's your lucky day because we have good news for you

[00:36:44] there's a piece of gear that solves the sweat and ventilation problem making your backpack more comfortable

[00:36:51] Valkyrie skiers ultra light backpack ventilation frame this ultra light frame is a backpack accessory that easily

[00:36:58] installs in your favorite pack size 15 liters to 45 liters and creates a ventilating air flow gap between you

[00:37:05] and your pack it's also ultra light weighing around three ounces and that's equivalent to a pair of wool socks

[00:37:12] pretty light where the hiking and hotter cold temps the ultra light backpack ventilation frame from Valkyrie

[00:37:19] skier is a real game changer regarding air flow and ventilation so visit valkyrie skier calm to order

[00:37:26] an ultralight ventilation frame today use promo code slasher to enjoy a $5 discount and let them know that Mike and

[00:37:33] stom sent you very good stop 143 shows and you still can't like pick up a softball transition

[00:37:41] it's very nice I know it's pathetic oh my god you gotta like loosen up have a beer and relax that's

[00:37:50] part of the problem maybe says IPA I'm having softening my brain cells again stompe I give you another one

[00:38:00] that's when you could have said speaking of beer this is the part of the show where we talk about what beer would drink

[00:38:05] wow all right anyway anyway this is part of the show we talk about which beer we're drinking stomps not have it a good night

[00:38:12] I don't want to for three him so what do you drink at stomps

[00:38:17] oh let's see north woods I went for a common one I get it's a north woods brewing company forever locked

[00:38:26] shows a picture of two giant moose battling it out and it's a double IPA with citra Idaho 7 azaka

[00:38:36] and it comes in at a whopping I think 7% yeah 7% delicious delicious all right well I'm drinking an IPA

[00:38:46] I was explaining to my friend in India who I work with about IPA's and he just didn't understand

[00:38:52] I was like you know India pale ale have you heard of that no he's like no not really I was like okay nevermind

[00:39:01] what so I'm drinking a zero gravity IPA called powder Jones which I think I had one of these couple

[00:39:09] of weeks ago who makes that is it local zero gravity zero gravity okay cool yeah which I think is local

[00:39:16] like mass let me look here it's in burlington Vermont that's right burlington but yes gravity okay I know we

[00:39:32] should have gone left back there stop don't worry I know it's this way I've got a feeling in my gut

[00:39:38] I you sure you know about to have a bowel emergency totally we got this but I just blew out my hip fell down that

[00:39:46] gully with my 40 year old microspikes suck it up stop it's 4 p.m. we're at 3500 feet we got nine miles back

[00:39:54] to the parking lot your leg may be broken we got no cell connection and we can't feel our fingers

[00:40:00] but we're finishing all of my list tonight by the way I need some water I'm empty I would if I

[00:40:06] could see what I'm doing but my headland batteries are dead you gotta be kidding me what a jump this is the last time I

[00:40:12] hike with you whatever mr. do you know me I will podcast whatever let's find out what Mike and

[00:40:23] stop have been hiking all right stop and now we're moving on to the part of the show we talk about recent

[00:40:32] hikes so have you gone anywhere stop you don't hike anymore like yeah I gave it up I didn't a long time

[00:40:39] yeah I gave it up you did you quit actually here's here's some behind the scenes I actually tried to

[00:40:43] convince Dave shits to go to the captain last Saturday yep and the weather actually soured but

[00:40:51] we were like within millimeters of deciding to go okay but that didn't pin out because you don't

[00:40:57] want to mess around in that part of the woods when the weather's nasty so but yeah mr. stop and I

[00:41:05] made it up to the scour and that was wild spring conditions glare ice walk and live more road out

[00:41:12] to the junction and from you know we basically wore spikes the whole way up and partial views at

[00:41:19] the top it's really nice time because she and I've been sort of grinding on the schedules together

[00:41:23] work workwise so with snowman being done I anticipate getting out quite a bit now how about you

[00:41:33] anything yeah I did um I mean I offered you up I was like hey if you want to go we we did the

[00:41:39] I've been trying to get up to my washroom of the last couple of weekends so I had put out a

[00:41:45] text message to a bunch of people a bunch of people couldn't go but um Lansing Camilla were able

[00:41:50] to go so we grabbed our sleds and our backpacks and we met at the cog railroad and then went up

[00:41:58] the M.a. new sick ravine trail and then down the cog and we got some good sledding going and stuff

[00:42:04] but yeah yeah so we did my wash and then so what's the deal with butt sledding on the cog what's

[00:42:10] at at Jacobs ladder what's the ravine that you can tumble into and die

[00:42:15] Bert ravine did you let's let pass that no no no so let me do the whole store so we started at

[00:42:23] the cog and you know we talked about this before it's like 10 dollars to park parking ZZ um and then

[00:42:30] you just walk up to the lodge and we stopped and you know use the bathroom and then then head

[00:42:35] it out but as I as we were going to from the M.a. new sick connector you know we were like it was

[00:42:42] starting to get warm but it was cloudy um but like I was like all right I got to take some gear off

[00:42:48] because I was just a little bit too heavy so we took got down our base layer and as I'm standing

[00:42:54] there I see a hiker walking up towards me and I was like I know that person and as she got closer

[00:43:00] I was like oh I definitely know her and it turned out it was the nehamshah hiker so Taylor the

[00:43:06] nehamshah hiker um who is she's got a big YouTube uh following and she's done like the Appalachian

[00:43:13] Trail so I was able to like say hello to her and we chatted for a while she listens to the show

[00:43:18] I was like star struck which was cool yeah that's great isn't she coming on at some point

[00:43:25] I get a I gotta reach out to her and see if I can get her on I did talk to her I said I've got

[00:43:28] a I gotta just see if I can get you on so we'll see if we can get uh I get the schedules worked out

[00:43:34] but yes she's super nice and um I did take a I took a picture with her to send to my sister

[00:43:38] like because my sister was a huge fan of her YouTube channel and my sister was like oh my god

[00:43:43] I can't believe you met Taylor so that's so cool so shout out to the nehamshah hiker she's super

[00:43:48] nice and um you know we talked for a little while and then me and Lance and Camilla headed out

[00:43:53] and um yeah we made our way up the immunusick and the um you know the trail was pretty easy like

[00:44:02] that first mile and a half or so if we get to the gempool is pretty straightforward and then it's

[00:44:06] like just straight up you know for two thousand feet or so um but we made it up no problem

[00:44:12] we were in microspikes the whole time um switched down to a t-shirt right about like when we got to

[00:44:19] the first um drainage we crossed over we were just um down to t-shirts and then we started to see

[00:44:27] like okay the sun started to clear through and then sure enough we got like this amazing rainbow

[00:44:32] behind us so I got some good photos of a rainbow and it was almost the exact scenario as it was

[00:44:40] last year when we climb out Washington by the time we got to lake lakes of the clouds um

[00:44:45] it started clearing up so you could see Monroe and you could see Mount Washington

[00:44:49] and then it just stayed clear the whole day for us it was we tied it perfectly because I think

[00:44:56] we left at nine o'clock I think the people that left it like seven or earlier they they dealt

[00:45:01] with rain up top and it was it was gross but we hid it perfectly um Lance was in a t-shirt from

[00:45:07] lakes of the clouds all the way to the summit he was in the t-shirt yeah beautiful day beautiful

[00:45:14] so yeah yeah so warm we were in microspikes the whole time the only time we ran into trouble was the um

[00:45:22] the section right below lakes of the clouds uh was like mashed potatoes and we were we were

[00:45:28] post-holing a little bit but it was only like it was like 10 10 steps or something like that

[00:45:33] and then we got up to the the hot and it was fine and then went straight up to Mount Washington

[00:45:39] took some photos hung out bunch of people up there clear skies undercast beautiful photos yeah

[00:45:46] and um yeah and then from the summit we just we sledded down to the junction so from the summit

[00:45:52] we got on our sleds went down to the junction of west side trail sled to west side then we walked over

[00:45:59] to the cog we were able to sled down another section of the cog until we got to

[00:46:05] the section where like it does start open like basically we could sled down to the point where um

[00:46:11] go side in jule connect and then from there we walked pretty much um past burt ravine

[00:46:22] and then once we got past that section we were able to sled basically from like 4400 feet

[00:46:29] down to the the base station you know a couple of sections we had to walk but and there was

[00:46:34] a couple sections where it was so iced over but the ice was like water like I actually I was

[00:46:40] skidding and I had to fall off my sled and when I fell off my sled it was just like in a puddle

[00:46:45] of water so we were like soaked soaked yeah that is the season yeah and guess who we met coming up

[00:46:54] another another notable hiker who Eric Todd sweet no yes what's he doing on the cog

[00:47:03] he was hiking up with uh you know he had a friend with her and she with him and she she was

[00:47:08] her first time on Mount Washington so he never does that summit it I know I know I was like how

[00:47:14] unusual how one like you but he's a good great guy and you know we said hi and then we we

[00:47:21] we did this one run where like me lense and Camilla like we just went for it had to have been like

[00:47:27] five six minutes nonstop just going you know we must have covered at least like a half a mile

[00:47:33] on the sled and then we had to stop when we got to like the section where they do the bonfire

[00:47:40] and then we had to go under the tracks on the other side and then once we got on the other side we

[00:47:44] went straight to the bay station so I think getting down took us like it didn't take us like we

[00:47:51] even more than an hour yeah to get down did you cross paths with uh any cogs coming up to one

[00:47:57] back we didn't I was so disappointed so the um the cog had taken the passengers down so they were

[00:48:05] as we were sledding down to the very bottom section they were all getting off of the the real

[00:48:11] the real way car and we slatted down all the way over the bridge almost right to their feet

[00:48:18] and they were looking at us like what the hell are they doing that's all right yeah so it was fun

[00:48:25] I mean it was a great day yeah highly recommended I mean in lense called the weather perfectly he's

[00:48:30] like I think it's gonna be good so it it worked out perfect yeah that's funny I could have gone

[00:48:35] I guess because I did have plans to do some recording for um for the show but uh cancel that

[00:48:41] because mr. stomping I just needed some personal time to get out there and hang out and whatever but uh

[00:48:49] yeah tis tis the story say lovey yeah yeah it was good and then yeah I don't know what I'm

[00:48:54] doing this weekend like I said I'll probably grab Mount heel at some point but I'll be around

[00:49:00] I'm supposed to actually did I'm supposed to actually record Saturday for the show but whatever we'll see

[00:49:13] it's time for slasher's notable hike of the week if you want to be considered for the hike of the

[00:49:19] week simply tag slasher on your social media post very good uh and then this is part of show

[00:49:30] where we do notable hike stomping yeah we got a we've got a good amount um all I don't know

[00:49:34] anything about these but I can tell you that Dave shits in the woods is not gonna win the notable

[00:49:38] hiker award he did come up with a great idea though he's like if I hike with little foot

[00:49:43] maybe I'll win did he say that oh somebody did yeah somebody I saw in social media they were like

[00:49:49] you need to do a hike with little foot and then you'll be few there'll be no uh no way that we can

[00:49:55] deny him that's funny yeah I guess that's a good point huh yep all right so we have uh

[00:50:02] Cameron Casey three did mount Morgan impersonal via the ladders and caves and did you write this mic

[00:50:09] or did I write that aka make stomped cry route did you write that

[00:50:15] no I think they must have written that like based on the fact that we talked about how you

[00:50:19] were big wimp on the ladder so I think they probably did that yeah oh my god too funny all right and uh

[00:50:26] Cindy Chess north and south pack madknock the Wapak trail with a nice view of Boston actually really

[00:50:34] like that area because it's on on great days like at watch you so you can see Boston it's absolutely

[00:50:40] stunning and um it's she writes the longest hikes since new years being sick so Cindy it's great

[00:50:46] that you're back out there crushing it again carry hikes a lot uh did 36 and 37 on Lincoln

[00:50:52] Lafayette and then I'll also had stating eight to go and I'm not sure if that means for

[00:50:59] the entire 48 or for the winter 48 but uh nice work carry uh Timothy Sigerr did a couple days

[00:51:06] of hiking here tackling the twins galehead Garfield um and then day two verbally telling us that he

[00:51:14] was trying to get a notable hike by tackling Lincoln Lafayette Liberty and Flume that's a lot of

[00:51:19] mileage for two days that is also I will say like Tim's got the upper hand here this week because

[00:51:26] I met Tim on Mount Adams so you know yeah kind of buddies now so he made it hooked up on nice nice

[00:51:34] see what it takes Dave see see uh let's see uh you gotta see me out on the trail

[00:51:42] see Gothburg two Kataluchi peaks and uh those are peaks from the Nihamsha highest 500

[00:51:51] Liz Faye Dave's partner in crime its Sentinel mountain in Warren and then a second tag was

[00:51:59] silver in the Huntley Mountains carry hikes a lot again uh the wildcats for 38 and 39 for

[00:52:08] the Nihamsha 4k reporter she's knocking off she is not a mission yeah no kidding huh I honestly

[00:52:14] like that's pretty typical like you get into those like high 30s and you can taste it yeah like

[00:52:19] all right yeah I gotta knock off but multiple summits but again I'm wondering if this is for winter

[00:52:25] and she's just trying to beat the deadline here but uh maybe maybe she's she's in good shape

[00:52:30] as she can clarify for us uh Vicki takes a hike did Musalak and I don't know who this guy is Dave

[00:52:37] shits in the woods did some unknown hill somewhere called Melville Brooks Daken Osgood and heard so

[00:52:46] I don't know I don't know who this guy is but do you know any of those I do I do actually yeah

[00:52:51] I sure do yeah I think I've tackled a couple of them um

[00:52:56] Brady girl won did isolation and it took me a while to figure out this guy's handle but it's

[00:53:03] x b o real badass and then x so if you take the real badass out it's x box oh yeah and this is our

[00:53:13] buddy Andy from the cog um the train master and he did table rock and actually I was looking at

[00:53:18] the pictures gone holy shit oh excuse me who would do that in the winter like with all that

[00:53:23] glare eyes it's table rock the one up in dicks yes yeah oh I don't know I'd be a little like I'd be

[00:53:30] wearing crampons and like a harness to go out there no kidding yeah that's very very brave uh

[00:53:36] Andy all right I'm gonna look at those pictures uh little foot and uh let's see little foot did

[00:53:41] north twin for 224 out of 576 for the the hiking grid and um not notable Dave wants to know if

[00:53:50] little foot was cloned to further doom his chances at getting a notable hike and I think the

[00:53:55] probability is uh very high that little foot was cloned well well I think what he's mentioning

[00:54:01] is that so little foot has a little sister that like looks just like her right so and she started hiking

[00:54:07] so like now days like these never gonna get a chance to get it just double the cute

[00:54:13] yes exactly and then finally ginger beard keen uh Jefferson attempt they went from the cog over via

[00:54:20] golf side towards Jefferson and apparently made the call to try it another day so nice work

[00:54:26] and that's always smart to do that if you have to yeah and I think he must have like I got to reach

[00:54:31] out to him but I think he must have run into like he didn't early start yeah and I think the

[00:54:36] difference between getting up there like seven and getting up there like 10 was huge because by

[00:54:42] 9 10 o'clock up above tree land and the presidential everything was cleared out yeah um interesting

[00:54:49] but I think it was raining before that so he probably got hit with that rain and was like it's not

[00:54:53] worth it yeah yeah unbelievable so that was the same day yeah yeah so um oh man so I'm gonna

[00:55:01] conundrum here because I we could give it to Liz because that would be funny because we give it

[00:55:08] to Liz but not Dave and then he would realize oh girl I have to I will but I'm gonna give it to

[00:55:12] Tim because Tim's grinding for two days and he's my buddy because we met up on Mount Adam so

[00:55:17] yeah Tim gets it yeah one four three Tim one four three

[00:55:23] all right so um this is the part of show so we're gonna move into a segment where we're gonna talk

[00:55:28] with Josh Pogartis about um the new film The Caretaker um so super interested in hearing about what

[00:55:34] Josh has to say so let's move into that segment here stomp and then we'll we'll catch the audience on

[00:55:40] the other side it's time for slasher's guest of the week very cool very cool

[00:56:10] all right so stomp welcome we're here with Josh Pogartis from from Warden is that

[00:56:21] is that the right pronunciation of last name Josh and it's yeah Pogartis awesome well thanks

[00:56:26] for joining us tonight thanks for having me awesome awesome so Josh is here so stomp you this is your

[00:56:34] your brainchild here so why don't you give the intro and give credit to the listener that gave us a

[00:56:38] heads up to connect us with Josh yes yes the special thank you to Jeffrey Keaton who actually

[00:56:46] sorry screening of the documentary that we're going to be talking about tonight so we reached out

[00:56:51] and the crew was kind enough to join us for a chat yeah awesome so thanks um to to Jeffrey for

[00:57:00] that that heads up so we're gonna talk with Josh tonight about a documentary short film I think

[00:57:06] it's like what was it like 12 13 minutes Josh yeah right around there short film yep so it's called

[00:57:13] caretaker and the subject is the the caretaker that works at the the harvard cabin so I'm assuming

[00:57:22] you guys his name is Jack Kingsley and Josh I'm assuming you guys basically followed him around for

[00:57:28] a while to do filming and put together a nice nice package nice film covering the sort of the

[00:57:34] the life of the caretaker and the harvard cabin right yeah so myself and my creative partner Dan

[00:57:43] Dunn we ran into jack the winter of 2022 it was it was actually closing day at the cabin

[00:57:53] we were up there working on a different project and the photographer we were with

[00:57:58] was like hey we should venture over to the harvard cabin and just kind of like use that as a background

[00:58:03] um for some lifestyle stuff and we went over there and uh jack came kind of stumbling out of the

[00:58:10] cabin wearing some like ratty adventure gear and like some rubber gloves and we were just like whoa

[00:58:16] who's this guy um and we just got to talking with him and then you know after about two minutes we

[00:58:23] were Dan and I both kind of looked at each other and we're just like okay this guy is like a character

[00:58:29] and um I was you know I was familiar with the cabin having grown up in the whites and

[00:58:37] spent some time on Mount Washington but I had never really you know paid it much attention or

[00:58:43] even stepped foot in there um so you know jack kind of showed us around and we shot some stuff

[00:58:50] for our project there and and before we left I was just like young man I'd love to get your

[00:58:55] contact um just to kind of keep him in the roller decks and uh Dan and I both like

[00:59:02] right after we left the the cabin there we were like we need to make a short film on this guy

[00:59:08] in this place which was really cool like we both right in that moment knew that it was a special

[00:59:13] story and something we wanted to tell um and yeah we followed up with jack the summer of 22

[00:59:20] and asked him if he'd be down to let us you know make a short film about him and uh his role as a

[00:59:25] caretaker and he was super down um he ended up not being the caretaker when we were actually filming

[00:59:35] but he's on the board and was up there all the time and we kind of we kind of forced him back into

[00:59:41] the role a little bit um and got some amazing stuff yeah it was it was a journey wow that's yeah

[00:59:47] so we'll we'll uh we're gonna talk in detail about sort of the filming process and I'm curious

[00:59:52] I do want to I got some questions about jack as well but I think just to give some background on

[00:59:59] this cabin so for the listeners we've talked stomp we've talked a lot about like the the RMC

[01:00:03] huts um on mount atoms we've talked about the AMC huts and um matter fact Josh stomp has invented like

[01:00:12] like an endurance hiking route which is called lodge to dodge so you have hot to hot which is all the AMC

[01:00:19] huts stomp stomp being the genius that he is has added the uh the lodge at mousselockey and

[01:00:27] the joe dodge lodge so basically it's an extended route where you do the the lodge on mousseloc

[01:00:32] and then go all the way do the hot to hot and then connect back to joe dodge lodge so it's called

[01:00:37] lodge to dodge right yeah so we've talked a lot about huts in the past but so the Harvard cabin

[01:00:46] just to give listeners history was built in 1963 so it's it's managed by the Harvard mountaineering

[01:00:55] club through a like a licensing agreement with the us4 service and preview it prior to

[01:01:01] the Harvard cabin being in place I believe that the Harvard mountaineering club

[01:01:06] managed a another cabin that was called the boot spur cabin which was on the Sherburn

[01:01:12] ski trail somewhere I think it was down a little bit lower I'm not exactly sure where the location

[01:01:17] is but that was in place I think there was another cabin that was even earlier than that that I think

[01:01:22] had basically been taken down and then the spur cabin existed from like the 1930s up until

[01:01:30] the 1960s eventually that cabin became just too small and too much maintenance and they didn't like

[01:01:38] the location because it was like sort of right on the ski trail so Harvard mountaineering set out

[01:01:44] to find another location I think based on the reading that I did and you're the the Harvard

[01:01:49] mountaineering club does have the annual sort of newsletter from that period on their website

[01:01:58] so I was reading a little bit about like the the process in 1963 so essentially what they did is

[01:02:03] they were able to locate this spot which is right off of the Huntington ravine trail but it also

[01:02:10] connects over to the Takraman ravine so you can get over to Takramans pretty easy through like

[01:02:17] a sort of a fire road as well so they're in Huntington ravine right at the bottom of the ravine

[01:02:23] and I think in 1963 they took a group I don't know how many of them there were but they started

[01:02:29] clearing the area and then they started logging essentially they built the log cabin so they didn't

[01:02:34] get any sort of wood pull flown in or anything like that they basically had to cut the trees down

[01:02:40] build the log cabin the skills needed to really build the log cabin efficiently they didn't really

[01:02:47] possess so this crew was able to clear space and get started on it but they struggled with like the

[01:02:52] winching to get the logs into the location and they didn't really know all the architecture

[01:02:57] of how to build an efficient log cabin that was going to stay in place for a long time so they were

[01:03:03] able to do they did their work in June when school finished basically gave up for a couple of months

[01:03:10] and assumed that they would finish it like the following summer but in the meantime they were

[01:03:15] able to find a local cabin builder by the name of Freeman Holden who was like a like a local

[01:03:22] cabinet maker woodmaker you know log cabin guy they were able to get him for like a couple of weeks

[01:03:28] in September and the Harvard Mountaineering Club essentially was able to grab like five or six guys

[01:03:34] to get up there and work with Freeman Holden and they were able to I guess they solved the problem

[01:03:39] with winching Freeman was able to show them a couple of techniques with how to leverage moving

[01:03:45] these logs around and they were actually able to get everything built in 1963 and like about

[01:03:51] two three weeks in September and since then I think obviously you know construction has been

[01:03:56] continued to you know firm up the cabin but that's basically it's been an existence for the last

[01:04:03] you know what 60 years or so and it's open from December 1st until what is it like the end of March

[01:04:10] I think so it's yeah the month of last March March so yeah it's a winter only and it attracts all

[01:04:16] mix of people that are going back country skiing you've got ice climbers that are up in the

[01:04:20] Huntington they get regular hikers so what does it do it was a comfortably fit maybe about eight or

[01:04:25] 10 people Josh I'd say a little bit more maybe close to 15 you know I've jacked hold us that

[01:04:36] they've had it pretty packed in there before and I think that number was around like 25 and it

[01:04:40] was pretty tight yeah most of the nights we were up there filming there was probably like a dozen

[01:04:46] okay so it's not that much different than what we'd find a grain knob up in the Randolph Mountain Club

[01:04:52] so it sounds like it's about that size so but that's the history stump I thought that's pretty

[01:04:57] interesting that they were able to get the cabin set up over the course of like just probably

[01:05:01] about six weeks worth of work and it's been an existence now I'm sure they added on a bit to it

[01:05:07] but it's pretty impressive yeah no the regular maintenance and whatnot yeah yeah exactly so

[01:05:14] anyway and then I did pull some articles that are including the show notes about the history of

[01:05:19] the harbored cabin and then I was able to find some pictures of the old spur cabin it looked like it

[01:05:23] was a little little rough so I got to understand why they took it down but anyway that's the history

[01:05:30] but Josh before we get into talking about the caretaker what's your background are you in the hamster

[01:05:35] guy yeah so I grew up in little 10 just off the Frank 20-inch notch grew up there my whole life

[01:05:42] and went to school in Albany New York which is where my family's kind of originally from my parents

[01:05:49] moved up to New Hampshire in the 80s and my dad was a fishing game officer and that's kind

[01:05:55] of where the name warden comes from my dad was a lieutenant for the state and ran search and rescue

[01:06:01] for the state for about a decade so yeah grew up up there when just going Albany graduated

[01:06:09] kind of bounced around a little bit went out to California for a little bit trying to pursue

[01:06:14] the whole film thing realized that it was kind of tough to stick around Los Angeles and you know

[01:06:21] ended up back into England and haven't really looked back so we you so your dad's obviously like

[01:06:29] fishing game and he's going out on rescues and things like that did he take you out hiking

[01:06:34] and you have a lot of sort of outdoor activities going on when you were a kid definitely yeah um

[01:06:40] I wasn't like super into hiking it was always a little like I would say I can play in the more

[01:06:48] growing up going on those types of adventures but I was I was very much so into team sports growing

[01:06:53] up and then came high school is where my love and passion for team sports kind of started

[01:07:01] meshing with skiing and snowboarding and that's around the same time that I got really into

[01:07:08] videos and didn't really understand you know people when you're growing up we're always asking

[01:07:13] you know what do you want to do when you get older and I didn't really have a good answer I

[01:07:18] loved playing sports I love going snowboarding um doing stuff like that and that's when I started

[01:07:25] filming my buddies riding at nearby Cana Mountain and we used to make really bad ski videos back

[01:07:30] in the day and that led me to pursue the whole video stuff and went to school in Albany kind of

[01:07:40] was trying to figure it out and to realize that the film program at the school I was at wasn't like

[01:07:44] super dialed so went into the business program but just kind of stuck with um stuck with the whole

[01:07:51] camera thing throughout and don't really have any regrets about it I think it it was like a good

[01:07:57] decision at the time and you know now having like the business side um my business degree and

[01:08:02] also having my passionate cameras was kind of meshed well to launch Wharton and um kind of

[01:08:08] run this production company up here in in the White Mountains. And so the production company is Wharton

[01:08:16] what's the what's the long-term vision yeah so I officially launched Wharton um about six months

[01:08:23] ago after you know curating a body of work over the last several years um just working as a freelancer

[01:08:31] as a camera op as a drone pilot and wasn't really getting like all the opportunities I wanted

[01:08:37] and and really wanted to the goal has always been to kind of launch my own venture and um we finally

[01:08:45] got the body of work to a place where I was like happy to uh put the name out there and we officially

[01:08:51] launched the brand back in November of 2023 um we got a couple projects that are already live not a ton

[01:09:00] of body of work to lean on right now but we have um we have a bunch of stuff about to come out in

[01:09:06] the next couple months and I'm really psyched on and the long-term goal is for Wharton to become

[01:09:11] you know the household name and doing one for outdoor filmmaking uh branded content and doing uh

[01:09:20] doing all the video and visual arts projects that uh inspire me to live the lifestyle I live

[01:09:27] well this is coming out of the gate this is so this is the first project caretaker is

[01:09:32] the first one so coming out of the gate you guys are like the cinematography and um

[01:09:38] you know just the vibe of the film is amazing like it's like it's a right up there with any other

[01:09:43] some of the skiing scenes and individuals on the mountain climbing is right up there with

[01:09:48] you know as far as the cinematography goes it's right up there with anything else I've seen that

[01:09:51] I sort of think of in terms of like really high quality stuff well I appreciate that yeah yeah we

[01:09:58] that that's kind of been like the whole um the slow churn on on launching Wharton too is

[01:10:05] that it's not that I haven't been doing the work over the last you know the the better part of my

[01:10:10] 20s it's getting to a point where I'm happy with the quality of work and being able to put a name

[01:10:17] behind that so I feel like within the last year we've gotten there and and I'm now like really

[01:10:24] excited about the stuff that myself and my uh my buddies that we collaborate with a lot are

[01:10:30] are putting out there in caretaker you know we always wanted to film that we wanted it to feel

[01:10:36] like this elevated um movie experience not just like some local filmmakers going out and and trying

[01:10:43] to tell this story we wanted to feel like very very high end and I think we did achieve that and

[01:10:48] I'm super psyched on how it came out for sure yeah I agree and um well I do want to ask you sort of

[01:10:54] like a uh a question about your dad and in the relationship there because I'll forget if I don't

[01:11:01] ask you this but when you were kid and he's like going out and doing rescues and things like that

[01:11:05] did you ever feel like oh wow I'm like scared for my dad or I'm nervous about it or was it just

[01:11:11] sort of part of growing up like what was it like to sort of experience that if your your dad's

[01:11:15] going out in a winter bad weather situation for a rescue or something yeah that's a good question I

[01:11:23] I think as a kid I was pretty naive about what he was up to you know I it was just kind of like

[01:11:29] what he did and I never really fully understood exactly what he was doing until I kind of

[01:11:37] was at my college years and I looked back and I was like no this is what like five six years after

[01:11:42] he had retired um and it kind of just like stepped back and I was like wow like he was running

[01:11:50] search and rescue for the state and kind of took it to that next level um you know he was one of

[01:11:58] the founding members of the Hike Safe Education program um he was one of the original members of

[01:12:04] the advanced climbing rescue team I forget what it's exactly called yeah mountain rescue yeah they

[01:12:10] worked directly with Mount Rescue those guys trained my dad and his co-workers and uh yeah like

[01:12:17] you know there's a lot of books out there that I've been reading in the past couple years and his name

[01:12:21] comes up a bunch and it's just like pretty mind blown to think that uh you know here I was like

[01:12:27] a middle schooler young high school kid and I was just like hanging out with my buddies on the weekend

[01:12:32] I knew my dad would like get a call to go on some rescue at midnight and I kind of like understood

[01:12:38] that it was like you know this dangerous thing and not like a normal job for somebody's dad to have

[01:12:43] but it was just kind of like part of my life so I didn't I didn't really like fully understand

[01:12:48] like kind of how bad acid was and in the situations he was putting himself and his guys in until

[01:12:56] I got a little bit more mature yeah yeah it's probably for the best like you know you don't want

[01:13:01] to be stressing out anyway so it's probably just bad I mean I know when I'm a young kid you're like

[01:13:06] focused on your friends and what you're doing yeah yeah I mean I used to see him on the news a lot

[01:13:10] which was kind of cool yeah yeah you're like oh you got a real job dad that's impressive yeah

[01:13:16] awesome all right so let's talk about caretakers so the premise is so you guys met with Jack

[01:13:21] so Jack as the caretaker so I think a lot of listeners like I think our listeners are probably more

[01:13:26] in tune with what goes on in the AMC hot and maybe a little bit about the Randolph Mountain club

[01:13:32] huts but I mean Harvard cabin it's sort of the same vibe like especially in winter like I actually

[01:13:37] just went and did like an overnight stay in zealon hut and generally these winter time stays in

[01:13:44] these huts it's the caretakers there to make sure that there's water and they manage the stove

[01:13:50] and obviously Jack situation he's got more of a sort of a scientific responsibility for some

[01:13:55] of the things that they do with the cabin for research for weather and avalanche conditions but

[01:14:00] for the most part um it's very sort of rustic and you're for a lot of times you're kind of on

[01:14:06] your own as far as cooking and cleaning and you know there are certain rules that you have to follow

[01:14:12] but it's the caretakers I think it has to be a certain type of person like it's my impression a

[01:14:18] lot of the caretakers a little bit more introverted um they're very self-confident I think in

[01:14:25] you know knowing what they want to do in their lives and you know it's it's a different

[01:14:30] type of personality a different type of vibe with the caretakers that you run into but can you

[01:14:34] from your your impression can you talk about like Jack and how you got to know him and

[01:14:41] how he's so unique yeah I think um I think you nailed it right on like the typical character

[01:14:48] characteristics for caretakers at these places and like I said earlier when we first met him

[01:14:57] the spring before like we were just immediately kind of taking back at his character and

[01:15:02] like I thought he was more my age like later 20s early 30s maybe and uh it wasn't until over

[01:15:09] the summer we found out he was like 21 22 years old you know it's like yeah it's just kind of

[01:15:14] got this more you know like kids that age are really into social media and hanging out friends

[01:15:21] and I know I was and he's he's not like that he's uh he's just like an old soul and

[01:15:29] the way that he thinks about life and the way that he talks I think that really comes through

[01:15:33] in the film too you know he's a very slow just kind of like deep thinker and it just got

[01:15:39] laid he's got a very deep voice that's kind of it's soothing and um Jack is one of the coolest

[01:15:45] kids that I've met in a long time and um you know when he wasn't a caretaker he was that summer

[01:15:52] that we were calling him a bunch out in Montana fighting wildfires and then he in the summer lived

[01:15:59] on a sailboat and now he's down in Australia and he's just he's this uh very free floating spirit

[01:16:05] and um I think he knows that he's got some time right now to kind of like just experience life

[01:16:11] and he is definitely doing that to the fullest before he needs to get too too serious about

[01:16:16] anything yeah Jack is one of the Jack is one of the coolest kids that I've met in a long time

[01:16:22] and I don't think there's a lot of kids like him anymore so yeah yeah it's kind of funny the

[01:16:29] it's the the people that arm on social media and up on the tech those are like the new rebels

[01:16:35] in this this generation now it's like very unique to have somebody that can live in isolation

[01:16:39] and sort of the self-assured on their own what they don't need all the social media stuff but um

[01:16:45] so you get to know Jack in the beginning you give a little bit of his background we meet his dad

[01:16:50] and kind of understand that he grew up similar to you in an outdoor family and uh you know

[01:16:56] he's been exposed to the outdoor activities since he was young and then it talks about his

[01:17:01] connection to the the Harvard cabin and his work as a caretaker there's a there's a uh a scientific

[01:17:07] or research responsibility to that role which is unique among the the caretakers within the white

[01:17:13] mountains can you talk about what exactly is he doing there when it comes to um looking at the snow

[01:17:19] snow depth and in avalanche research yeah so it's really cool about our uh backcountry mecca

[01:17:26] into England is that we have the Mount Washington Observatory on on the summit of that mountain

[01:17:33] which is pretty cool and unique i'm sure you guys talk about it a bunch but yeah the fact that

[01:17:37] that is there on top of the um that avalanche center and all those resources is really pretty

[01:17:45] amazing and i think unique across a lot of backcountry ski and alpine zones and um yeah so jack

[01:17:53] or the caretaker at the cabin which was jacket he um is part of that database so on top of the

[01:18:01] snow rangers that go out and do their avalanche forecasts and measure the snowpack and analyze

[01:18:07] snow crystals and all that good stuff the um hermit lake shelter as well as the Harvard cabin care

[01:18:14] taker are also responsible for reporting this data every day i believe it's at like six a.m.

[01:18:20] that it's due and they have their snow plot measurement that's all roped off about 50 yards from

[01:18:27] the cabin um in this area that's pretty when protected but has like no canopy above it so it's

[01:18:33] very accurate data and they're uh they're fully responsible for measuring that stuff and analyzing

[01:18:40] the snow and reporting back to the first um rangers and the avalanche forecasters so it's pretty

[01:18:46] cool that um that's part of what they do on top of caring for the cabin and its guests yeah so

[01:18:52] essentially that's the raw data collection that allows for the forecaster they avalanche forecasters

[01:18:57] to make the determination on whether it's a high medium or low risk um stay for the for climbers and

[01:19:04] the skiers right yeah it's definitely part of their analysis they those guys are pretty amazing

[01:19:10] in their own respect and they're up in the snow pack all the time but they take all of the data from

[01:19:16] you know all of the people that are contributing and the Harvard cabin caretaker is one of those

[01:19:20] people yeah yeah it's really fascinating and then um i think it goes into talking a little bit more

[01:19:26] about just sort of you know how the caretaker interacts with guests and uh the variety of people

[01:19:32] that come in like we talked about earlier like you can get back country skiers you'll get ice climbers

[01:19:36] you'll get hikers um i don't know what else you'd get there but that's probably the big three um

[01:19:42] and you know those type of people that are out there in winter i mean they're

[01:19:47] that's a special personality type that that's willing to go out there and live sort of a

[01:19:51] rustic life and take the risk that are involved in in those activities uh but like that that cabin

[01:19:57] environment like i've been in that that that that environment a number of times but can you describe

[01:20:02] was that new to you when you started filming this or had you experienced the the backcountry

[01:20:07] cabins before um yeah growing up hiking in the whites i'd you know bent all the MC hats and kind

[01:20:14] of hanging out there but i had never stayed overnight um at kind of like a rumo cabin like like

[01:20:20] this before and it was a really cool experience like i've i've done a lot of camping and i've done

[01:20:27] a lot of backcountry ski touring and snowboarding but being able to go up into the this area

[01:20:35] and kind of set up base camp for the night have a wood stove uh you know have a full blown kind

[01:20:42] of kitchen setup and and uh be able to like make a decent meal and hang out and swap stories and um

[01:20:49] you know have a decent little place to rest your head for the day is really really cool and you wake

[01:20:54] up and you're right at the base of your objective for the next day so um it was amazing the harvard

[01:21:02] cabin will definitely have a special place in my heart for a long time and i know it does for a

[01:21:07] lot of other people um i've been meaning to get up there again this season it's just been one of

[01:21:12] those tough years and um having really had an opportunity but i got a couple weeks left to try and

[01:21:18] make it happen i'd like to get up there and see a Jimmy who's the current caretaker and just

[01:21:22] spending it up there yeah yeah the snow is disappearing quick i was just up to this weekend i was on

[01:21:27] my wash in this weekend it's disappearing quick so yeah go soon um curious when you guys um sort of

[01:21:36] come together and plan out a film like this do you already have the script written and you have

[01:21:43] an understanding what the general flow is going to be or for a documentary film do you generally

[01:21:48] just film everything and then storyboarded and scripted together after you get your footage i'm

[01:21:55] always kind of curious about that i'm supposed to suppose you could do it either way but

[01:21:58] how did you guys do it yeah so for this story like we we we kind of approached it a little bit more

[01:22:05] like it was going to be a branded film so um we knew that we didn't want it to be this longer

[01:22:12] form documentary that kind of dives deep into the history and you know it has like 15 interviews

[01:22:19] and is this educational piece so uh knowing that we wanted it to be this kind of a lot of people

[01:22:26] call it like a festival piece you know these short films that brands can tie themselves to that you

[01:22:32] would want to submit to any number of film festivals and you know it's that it's kind of that sweet spot

[01:22:38] length where um people i'm hoping are watching it and 10 12 minutes goes by and they're kind of

[01:22:46] shocked that it's already over and it's not like they're looking at their watch waiting for

[01:22:51] you know when's the same going to get there um so with this one specifically we i would say

[01:22:59] we're pretty calculated in pre-production on you know we knew we knew some of the scenes that

[01:23:05] we wanted to capture and we knew like for example all the stuff of jack doing his chores around the

[01:23:11] cabin we knew we wanted to capture him going for an adventure of sorts um we knew we wanted to

[01:23:17] capture people coming there for the night um it was pretty calculated but obviously with any

[01:23:24] creative project there's always hurdles that you come across and things definitely got shifted

[01:23:30] a little bit once we started digging through footage and um for example like i knew when we went

[01:23:37] back in for our uh our second visit in March of last year was when we filmed um the ski scene and

[01:23:47] i just felt like we didn't quite have enough footage after that he had some technical issues with

[01:23:53] the binding that day um we tried to shoot about three lines up in Huntington got about two and a half

[01:24:00] and it just felt like we were going to be pretty light on the adventure side of things which

[01:24:06] wouldn't have been like a major issue but when you're trying to tell a story like this

[01:24:10] me being kind of an action sports guy i knew i wanted at least some decent ski footage in there

[01:24:16] you know jack's not like a professional skier by any means but he can he can ski some bigger terrain

[01:24:22] up there and um so we went back in april when things were starting to melt pretty quick and that's

[01:24:28] when we got some of those shots at him i'm like kind of reaching out and somebody into now in and

[01:24:34] that stuff really helped i think round out the piece so yeah i'd say we were like 75% calculated 25

[01:24:40] percent you know you figure it out as you go yeah what's the uh the equipment set up how many

[01:24:47] cameras do you use and and how heavy is that stuff and what is the actual cameras that you use

[01:24:52] because we've got some geeky listeners so they want to know what the what the actual equipment is

[01:24:58] yeah i'm a little bit of a a camera geek myself um we shoot most of our projects on red digital

[01:25:05] cinema cameras which are have always been like a dream of mine to own kind of growing up and

[01:25:09] you see all the uh all the big like names ski and snowboard filmmaker shooting on them um so

[01:25:17] yeah i've been fortunate enough to get to a point in my business where i own a couple and have a

[01:25:21] little fleet going and we shot the entire project on red uh cameras um and i as the DP on the project

[01:25:32] knew that i really wanted this to have like this elevated look to it um and be a little different

[01:25:38] than some of the other outdoor films that have come out of new England so we shot it on vintage

[01:25:46] animorphic lenses which are different from a traditional spherical lens so we had pretty heavy uh

[01:25:53] like 1970s i think 1980s lenses that we brought up there from a rental house in Boston um

[01:26:01] i'm a little bit of like a geek when it comes to mixed media so i brought up a boolex um

[01:26:07] 16 millimeter film camera which we shot a bunch of stuff on you can see that throughout the

[01:26:11] the film there's a lot of archival looking footage of jack up there that's shot on real film and

[01:26:20] obviously in a place like mount washington like having some some breathtaking areas is pretty

[01:26:25] important too so we uh we worked with the force service and got a permit for two weeks to fly some

[01:26:34] drones up there which i think really added to the film as well um yeah and i like i said the cinematography

[01:26:41] on this is amazing it's almost like it's almost like the beginning of a movie and then you're like wait

[01:26:46] i want to see the rest of this that sort of how i felt um thank you yeah the the audio i'm curious

[01:26:52] about outdoor audio so obviously like with the snow pack well that's one of the nice things about

[01:26:57] the winter is like when you've got a big snow pack like you've got a lot of it's it's acoustically

[01:27:02] like it can drown out a lot of background noise but how do you manage outdoor audio when you have

[01:27:07] to do those scenes and how do you eliminate all the background noise that comes through yeah we um

[01:27:14] we worked with just some pretty basic road uh shotgun microphones on the cameras to capture

[01:27:21] scratch audio that was halfway decent for um for our sound mixer to use in post um and then

[01:27:29] all of the interview we actually shot in the springtime because that was something that Dan and I

[01:27:35] worked together with i was originally like well it would be pretty sweet to interview him in the cabin

[01:27:40] and like have that feeling when you cut to his his actual sit down interview and we just realized

[01:27:47] that it was going to be like a real pain to try and get any kind of like lighting equipment up there

[01:27:53] um and and try and capture what we were trying to with just the general footage to then also

[01:27:59] throw an interview on you know two miles up into the national forest which was just a lot so

[01:28:05] i'm really glad we decided to view that route and we shot his interview at his parents house in

[01:28:09] Portland in April um but yeah as far as like the field audio he has pretty basic setup we just

[01:28:16] threw some some uh some shotgun microphones on there with some dead cats to kind of take down the uh

[01:28:23] any any wind noises and our uh post mixer did a really good job of of using that stuff that we captured

[01:28:30] and then also some elements that he had in his library to take it to the next level.

[01:28:35] Nice and um dealing with jack so you got to know jack and obviously you guys probably connected

[01:28:41] through just you know your own personalities but um somebody like that that is sort of like a

[01:28:47] a comfortable being alone did you have to sell him very hard on doing the film or was he down for

[01:28:52] it from the beginning. He was pretty fired up i think he was just really cautious about how the story

[01:28:58] was told and he he knew that he did not want it to be like all about him you know he's a really

[01:29:06] humbukit and he he made sure that we also told this story of the cabin which i think was really

[01:29:13] important and he put us on to one of the gentlemen his name is Ted Karnman who um he um was one of

[01:29:21] the founding members up there kind of like the leader of uh of building the cabin so we at we went

[01:29:26] and met Ted and Boston and a lot of the uh the old slide film that you see in our in our film was Ted's

[01:29:36] personal photography that nobody else had ever seen really minus him like showing his buddies

[01:29:42] which was pretty cool like being able to use some uh some old photography that nobody had ever seen

[01:29:49] of this very iconic location um was really cool but yeah Jack was Jack was pretty on border in a way

[01:29:56] it wasn't like a super tough sell and um i think he was he was one of the easiest people to work with

[01:30:03] as far as talent goes he's just like down for the cause you know. Oh that's right yeah and then

[01:30:08] Ted Karnman just so you know um that article that i was talking about the history he was the one

[01:30:13] that was in charge of like rounding up the rest of the students because i'm assuming like in June

[01:30:19] of 63 they had no problem getting people but like by September schools already started so they

[01:30:24] must have had to have people just you know maybe get approval from their teachers or something like

[01:30:29] that to to come up there so yeah he's he's prominently in the article that i'll include in the show

[01:30:34] notes which is pretty cool that you got a chance to talk to him he must have some amazing stories

[01:30:40] our conversation with him was very very cool um and i definitely want to touch on the fact that

[01:30:47] Ted like being able to have Ted involved in our project was just this really cool like full circle

[01:30:52] of moment you know having like the ringleader of making this place even exist

[01:30:57] and going to his office and seeing all the imagery and having him like give us the full-on slide film

[01:31:02] show and he's like he told us over a phone call that we had with him like he was like i'd be

[01:31:08] mad if you guys didn't include me in the film so um you know that was also like something that we

[01:31:15] really battled with a little bit was like how much history and how much archival footage did we

[01:31:21] really want to dive into because as cool as some of that stuff is it also it also changes the narrative

[01:31:29] and it changes the pacing of the film and i think it was something that i was really battling with

[01:31:34] as we went through like the ten rounds of of edits and post-production i was just like it didn't

[01:31:39] feel like super authentic and um kind of like right before the deadline we decided to shoot some

[01:31:46] some insert shots of uh of a projector and i had this like pro blends where we got some really

[01:31:51] cool like macro shots of slide film going through the projector and the light bulb hitting the lens

[01:31:56] and i think that stuff really helped us transition into the archival scene and then get us out of it

[01:32:02] and be able to have Ted's voice talking overall that stuff was really really cool. Yeah it's amazing

[01:32:10] do you um do you think that you'll um you'll continue to do like film specific to um

[01:32:20] sort of the hiking community within the whites or are you going to focus more on like the

[01:32:25] skiing or do you or do you still not have like a a whole full plan on what your projects are going to

[01:32:32] look like over the next couple of years um i've you know we're i would say we're we're outdoorsman

[01:32:39] right like we we want to tell stories that are inspiring to us it doesn't really matter what the

[01:32:45] the subject is if we think there's material there like we're gonna pursue it i am uh i'm a very

[01:32:51] avid snowboarder so i get really into trying to capture and and tell those types of stories but

[01:32:58] yeah we're we're just looking to tell really cool stories and and you know work with brands that

[01:33:03] are aligned in the community and it could go anywhere um i'm really happy to see where it's come and

[01:33:10] there's a lot of opportunity and hopefully we can uh be talking about another film here in the

[01:33:15] next couple of years awesome well Josh stomped doesn't like to brag but he's like an OG snowboarder

[01:33:22] like to the point where he used to snowboard when they had delicious on the front of the snowboard

[01:33:26] let's go nice how old are you Josh i'm 28 oh yeah yeah yeah i was killing it way back in the

[01:33:33] early 80s nice yeah every run the bindings would rip out of the board it was awesome i grew up skiing

[01:33:41] for about three years and then when i was seven i was basically begging my parents to buy me a snowboard

[01:33:47] and uh never really look back after that so it's such a great sport it's awesome yeah see you just

[01:33:54] stomped stomped had to take all those beatings from all those rich skiers and getting them get

[01:34:00] yelled at in the end from all the ski slopes so that do so that you could you can pave the way stomped

[01:34:06] we appreciate i laid down my life for younger generation no do you uh Joshua you will hiker yourself

[01:34:13] do you get out or you i know you do a lot of skiing but i'm i go hiking i would not call myself

[01:34:20] a hiker okay i really like speed i like i like going uphill to go down and you know ride a snowboard

[01:34:29] i'll hike a bike up amount to to ride a bike down but it's uh i'm more so getting out in the

[01:34:35] outdoors too to have some speed to get get a little bit of air and make some turns so

[01:34:40] well i got a little i did i sletted down the cog railroad this weekend so that was a that was

[01:34:46] about the speed the fastest i can go nice though which is good i do i do appreciate going for

[01:34:52] a hike every now and then and just kind of slowing down and um i realized when i do go hiking

[01:34:58] that i notice things that i don't when i'm out doing other sports and i do appreciate it's a

[01:35:05] little bit more slow paced and and you know soaking in everything that uh your environment is giving

[01:35:11] you yeah yeah do you when you're uh when you're getting out for these filming uh projects

[01:35:17] do you even think about like oh man i don't want to take x and y because it's too heavy or is it

[01:35:22] just at the point now where you just know you're gonna be carrying like 50 to 80 pounds worth of

[01:35:26] equipment um you know as i'm getting a little older i think i'm getting a little smarter too and

[01:35:32] i'm not trying to kill myself quite as much but the uh the equipment kind of does come first

[01:35:40] so a lot of times you know it's like i'd rather be i'd rather be in the place and have the tool

[01:35:46] that i want to have than being the place and be like dang i really wish i had this camera and

[01:35:52] this lens right now so i tend to over pack more than i under pack it really depends on the

[01:36:01] on the day too like yesterday i'm working on a film this season with a local

[01:36:06] avalanche guide and i knew it was going to be a pretty light day we just went to the base at

[01:36:10] home and he was teaching an airy one so i packed like you know three batteries in two lenses and

[01:36:16] and i made a comment to him i was like this is the lightest my camera backspin in a long time

[01:36:21] but yeah it's it's that constant like trying to balance like performance and being able to

[01:36:29] keep up with everybody but also have the equipment you want to have and uh luckily cameras are getting

[01:36:35] a lot smaller and packing a lot more firepower nowadays so it's good yeah and do you have to um

[01:36:43] is there any special like when you're coming into like hot so you're in the honey tin and like

[01:36:47] you do in an overnight like you don't have the luxury of just running back to the car to get a new

[01:36:50] battery do you bring any sort of electro like solar generators or anything like that or you

[01:36:56] not had to do that yet yeah that's a good question for for the caretaker we knew that um there was a

[01:37:02] generator up there but we weren't gonna have like a ton of access to it so um we have not released

[01:37:07] a ton of behind the scenes footage yet which we're gonna drop here in the next couple weeks but um

[01:37:14] we packed we packed incredibly heavy for this film and uh it's pretty funny to see the footage of

[01:37:21] us dragging like ice fishing sleds up the TRT with pelican cases and carrying massive backpacks

[01:37:30] we brought so much equipment because we knew we wanted to like do this one proper

[01:37:36] and um luckily i had a team that was very down for the cause i owe all those guys a lot um

[01:37:44] we brought a lot of batteries and a lot of very heavy equipment

[01:37:49] yeah if it get you brought it to a gun or something like that

[01:37:52] yeah we each had an ice fishing sled yeah i bought like a local hardware store in town here

[01:37:58] and um it would have been nice to have like a little bit better of a setup we just kind of tied

[01:38:03] rope around our waist and it was pretty i would say like 10 five 10 minutes into the hike that we

[01:38:10] realized that it was gonna be one of those nights oh yeah we get to the uh we get to the intersection

[01:38:20] of the cabin and he just looks at the camera and just is like i really need a beer

[01:38:26] that's right yeah yeah it was a lot yeah i thought i did see like somebody brought um like

[01:38:33] a some beer at the it was on one of the tables i thought i saw during the film

[01:38:38] yeah we want to make sure that we were a little comfy up there too especially having

[01:38:42] having the boys hanging out for a couple nights at the cabins always fun

[01:38:45] yeah yeah that is a good time so so the the the film is called caretaker and um

[01:38:52] Josh Bogartis are you the what's your official title on the uh you the director of photography

[01:38:57] or you the director director on the film yeah um my buddy Dan Dunne and i co-directed this one

[01:39:05] he's a big creative partner in mind and we um we kind of found the story together while we were

[01:39:11] working on a different project so him and i kind of saw this one through the entire way and then

[01:39:16] i selfishly told him like look look man i really want to shoot this one so um he was kind of

[01:39:22] to let me uh kind of take the role of dp and he kind of step back and became like the executive producer

[01:39:29] producer uh director role which really worked well and dan and i um have a really great relationship

[01:39:36] and being able to tell this story together was honestly a dream come true and i'm hoping

[01:39:41] it's just kind of the beginning yeah yeah and i think given the uh the cinematography and the

[01:39:48] the kind of the mood of this film like i feel like you captured the like the vibe of what it's like

[01:39:53] in huntington in the winter like it's just i don't know i just felt like i was there

[01:39:58] and i've been there so i kind of know what it's like so i liked it a lot yeah i appreciate that we um

[01:40:05] i think we got really lucky too you know we had a we had a a couple different like weather patterns

[01:40:11] each time we went up there you know we had some sun we had a little bit of snow we had some wind

[01:40:16] and luckily did not have any rain um so we got definitely really lucky with weather but we also were

[01:40:24] like very meticulous in making sure that it had the look we wanted and had like the moodiness and

[01:40:30] kind of this this like a loner feeling but then when people come to visit you know it gets a

[01:40:36] little bit more deep and emotional and um it was really fun i'm super psyched on how it came out

[01:40:43] yeah will she have this in the show notes and um encourage all the listeners to check it out

[01:40:47] i mean it's like you said it's a 12 minute view it's you can you can check it out pretty quickly so

[01:40:52] i you know i'm excited to see what you guys come up with next appreciate that guys thank you

[01:40:58] yes same here yeah i miss any questions stop and i also got the plug in about your old school

[01:41:04] snowboarding so yeah i knew yeah i mean just pointed if i didn't do that yeah you sure did i mean

[01:41:08] i just um my final comment is really that um i was you know i'm an audio file as well so uh

[01:41:14] you know sound engineering and all that stuff sound design so you guys did a really nice job on

[01:41:18] that end just wanted to say that it's nice and very clean yeah i guess in closing too i'll say

[01:41:25] that we uh we were super fortunate to be able to partner with made back east which is a kind of

[01:41:31] side venture of um a company down at boss and called vagrants that uh does some really great work

[01:41:38] and we kind of brought this story to them and knew that we needed some support to get this

[01:41:43] to the finish line and take it to that next level um and we had a really great team in post

[01:41:49] production we had a really great uh colorist sound mixer we we kind of went all out on this one

[01:41:56] and it was not like you know a three-man operation here we we had a lot of hands in the fire and i

[01:42:02] think uh i think it kind of shows when when you have the then products uh right definitely

[01:42:08] yeah awesome well thank you so much for joining us and uh you know the last thing i'll close on

[01:42:13] here is that i've i've shared this with the audience a little bit Josh but like i've been like

[01:42:18] sitting on a script for romcom on a ski resort so now that i know that uh i got a connection

[01:42:25] that has some ability to make a film maybe i might give you first shot at my hallmark romcom

[01:42:31] i'm a big romcom guy myself so i'm fired up about that all right all right i might i might float

[01:42:35] you the script we'll see so i gotta put it through chat cpt first but i'll let you know when it's ready

[01:42:42] awesome all right thanks Josh thanks for having you guys you bet

[01:42:49] all right that was cool you uh stomps so Josh is a great interesting dude yeah fantastic they do

[01:42:57] top tier high quality work i uh yeah i got to see it just before the show started it was 12

[01:43:04] like 12 minutes i had it was literally like 12 minutes before we had to go online uh to record with

[01:43:11] Josh but uh it's a really nice film you know what it reminded me of it had the same vibe

[01:43:17] as infinite storm had the same vibe it's very peaceful and ambiant and it was just really really

[01:43:25] well done yeah yeah and it's like i don't know it's like interesting like our perspective like

[01:43:29] we've been in these areas in the winter and we kind of know what the what the mood is and i feel

[01:43:35] like they captured it super well but i wonder whether or not i feel like even like if you've

[01:43:40] never hiked in the winter have been in those areas in the winter like you still get the mood from

[01:43:43] the film so sure sure absolutely yeah it's really neat i mean that's sort of a super cool gig huh

[01:43:52] yeah yeah no it's it's very interesting and it's like it's it's cool to know that there's creative

[01:43:56] people out there that are actually you know making a living and doing um you know doing these projects

[01:44:02] because i mean this looked as professional as anything you're gonna see anywhere like all those like

[01:44:07] you know those high-end um ski documentaries and in climbing documentaries like it's right up there

[01:44:13] with that level of cinematography yeah i agreed perfect stuff yeah so we'll put that in the

[01:44:18] show notes and people can check that out for sure

[01:44:43] oh

[01:45:00] all right stop so this is the part of the show where we uh talk about recent search and rescue news

[01:45:06] so let's go to Hawaii for a minute here so we have a story of um a hiker and three children

[01:45:12] rescued after getting trapped on a Hawaii mountain ledge so um it looks like a woman and three children

[01:45:18] were rescued after they got caught on this ledge 41 year old woman and three preteens got lost

[01:45:24] hiking the friendship trail in Kenohi on March 2nd the Honolulu Fire Department said in a news

[01:45:31] release so uh this friendship trail is like a half a mile loop trail about 20 mile southeast

[01:45:38] of o'ahu is a moderately moderately challenging route that takes about 21 minutes to finish

[01:45:44] so short short hike but um they got in trouble just because they got themselves out on a precarious

[01:45:52] location here but they were able to i guess get a helicopter out to the group and um

[01:46:01] and spot them so i guess a rescue was lower to get them off the mountainside one by one so

[01:46:07] helicopters out in Hawaii or dime a dozen yeah i was wondering if your daughter had any comments on this

[01:46:15] the whole lot to ask her why you ask her she's professional yeah that kid she's living her best

[01:46:21] life right now she's down in florida with Mrs. Mike oh really wow nice so the week yeah it's it's

[01:46:27] college spring break so yeah she's like traveling all over the place gotcha and hey listen to this

[01:46:34] so Hawaii hiking safety tips this is a link within the story assess your fitness level and hiking

[01:46:40] capabilities compare your level of fitness ability and experience with the trail description

[01:46:46] be practical and realistic there are a wide variety of twerials in Hawaii so pick one that suits

[01:46:53] your level ensure you stay hydrated to avoid avoid heat exhaustion becoming disoriented and muscle

[01:46:59] cramps thank you Hawaii that works yeah that works solid all right stop and uh on to the next

[01:47:09] article here so on march first around 3 10 uh fishing game was notified by southeastern

[01:47:15] New Hampshire fire mutual aid dispatch of a hiker in distress on the marble trail the hiker was a

[01:47:20] 72-year-old gentleman from west Hartford Connecticut he had called 911 because he suffered a fall

[01:47:27] and he was injured and it rendered him unable to walk so local fire and jaffery double in marborough

[01:47:34] Troy keen and manadon park rangers and conservation offices some fishing game responded to carry

[01:47:40] the gentleman out uh gentlemen was carried to the trailhead arriving at approximately 430 where

[01:47:47] an ambulance was waiting to transport him to madman adnaught community hospital so he was with

[01:47:54] a hiking partner fishing game deemed him well prepared for their hike they had a physical map of

[01:47:59] the trail system in the area water food micro spikes and all the necessary gear for a hike this

[01:48:03] time of the year stuff happens that's right did they have a sam splint i don't know i don't know the

[01:48:12] 11th the 11th the michael levin you're getting billed you didn't know your sam splint yeah exactly

[01:48:22] all right and then this next one is on mountain major so uh sunday march third around seven pm so

[01:48:27] this is dark dark out for you to be notified of a stranded hiker on mountain major in alt and so 56-year-old

[01:48:34] gentleman from dover uh was hiking major and descending the bolder loop trail when his headlamp stop

[01:48:40] working oh no he tried to yeah he turned so again there's another mic isn't like one headlamp

[01:48:46] is no idly i mean that happens too like you know you don't know like matter fact i'll give you

[01:48:53] like one thing i was freaking out about is like when i when i was sledding down the cog

[01:48:58] i um i got like covered in that puddle and you know i looked at all my gear and like my my bag

[01:49:08] with my headlamps usually put them in a plastic bag but i didn't for some reason and like that bag

[01:49:13] was all wet so i did have to check my headlamps to make sure that i didn't you know get them wet or

[01:49:18] short them out or whatever pack for the uh but anyway yeah but anyway this guy attempted to use his

[01:49:25] cell phones flashlight but his battery was at like four percent so he's gonna do this is like

[01:49:30] this is like emergency math it's like okay yeah i'm at four percent do i keep going or do i use it

[01:49:37] to call nine one once he called it to use it to call nine well imagine dude having to make that

[01:49:41] to say oh kid and yeah it's bad but it happens right to say it but i mean you know for an individual

[01:49:50] in the sage bracket um who knows what the temps were do we know what the temps were

[01:49:56] i mean even that far out i mean i don't know sunday was like he was 2.5 miles in

[01:50:03] yeah yeah he's that could have been bad so yeah it could have been bad so he he wasn't prepared

[01:50:10] to spend the night so they sent rescuers in um honestly i would have just been like i'm

[01:50:16] I'm hunkering down oh i'm not calling nine one one stop not for that if you have the right gear

[01:50:22] not getting my name and the paper for that no um wow so anyway um conservation officers along with

[01:50:32] lakes uh region search and rescue they hiked about two and a half miles to his location and

[01:50:37] provided him with a headlamp and escorted him out so i don't know what to think about this one it's

[01:50:41] like very interesting he had a headlamp he had a headlamp right right just it you know that's

[01:50:48] like tripping in fallen but you gotta have two you gotta have two absolutely no question about it

[01:50:54] and he's probably relying on his cell phone but it was probably cold out and it just dropped

[01:50:59] yeah yeah and you like two and a half miles oh that's brutal that's a ways to go

[01:51:05] it's funny though for mountain major i can't think of a 2.5 mile uh jaunt for that mountain

[01:51:14] yeah mean either so to strange really no boulder it's the boulder trail yeah i'm not really sure

[01:51:21] but that would be probably one of the longer trails to get to major um yeah yeah i don't really

[01:51:28] know um the trail names off the top of my head there so yeah um anyway but i'm glad that all

[01:51:36] all as well yeah you know just a good reminder bring bring two headlamps absolutely absolutely

[01:51:42] absolutely so that was fun i love you Mike 143 and uh oh okay i guess i really expected that but okay

[01:51:52] thank you and i think that wraps up the show so we'll take a week off and uh we'll be sounding

[01:52:00] even better than this week we will we will so good job stop and um we'll catch you i guess maybe

[01:52:07] next week maybe two weeks from now all right dad joke dad joke city coming out yeah

[01:52:12] thank you for listening if you enjoyed the show you can subscribe on apple podcasts

[01:52:23] Spotify pod theme youtube or wherever you listen to podcasts if you want to learn more about

[01:52:31] the topics covered in today's show please check out the show notes and safety information at

[01:52:36] slasherpodcast.com that's slasherpodcast.com you can also follow the show on facebook and

[01:52:46] instagram we hope you'll join us next week for another great show until then on behalf of

[01:52:52] like and stop get out there and crush some mega heats now covered in scratches blisters and

[01:53:02] butt bites. Chris staff wanted to complete his motion challenging day hike ever.

[01:53:07] fishing game officers say the hiker from florida activated an emergency vegan yesterday morning

[01:53:13] he was hiking along the appellation trail when the weather started to get worse

[01:53:17] officials say the snow was piled up to three feet in some spots and there was a wind

[01:53:22] show of minus one degree

[01:53:31] ten of james deelyn new hamster fishing game was end of thanks for being with us today

[01:53:37] some of the most common mistakes you see people make when they're heading out on the trails to hike

[01:53:41] here in New Hampshire seems to me the most common as being unprepared i think if they just simply

[01:53:45] visited hikesafe.com and got a list of the ten essential items and had those in their packs

[01:53:50] they probably would have no need to ever call us at all