Episode 149 - AMC Awards, Welcome back Lynn, Cardigan via Holt Trail, Black Mountain, PCT Hiker Drama

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[00:02:48] Broadcasting from the Woodpecker Studio in the great state of New Hampshire, welcome to

[00:02:53] the Sounds Like a Search and Rescue podcast where we discuss all things related to hiking

[00:02:59] and search and rescue in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.

[00:03:03] Here are your hosts, Mike and Stomp.

[00:04:56] Welcome to Episode 149 of the Sounds Like a Search and Rescue podcast.

[00:05:08] This week, we highlight the AMC awards ceremony that took place last weekend at Exeter High

[00:05:12] School so me and Stomp were able to get a vendor table there and meet a lot of listeners.

[00:05:19] So we're going to also talk about Stomp's DJ plans for the summer.

[00:05:25] We've got our friend Lynn Sweezy or Sweezer or Swizzle.

[00:05:29] She's back and she's going to update us on a recent Wilderness First Aid class that she

[00:05:34] participated in and then we'll check out what's going on with the hiking buddies and

[00:05:39] any other recent adventures.

[00:05:41] There's some hiking drama on the Pacific Crest Trail so Stomp, you got to get the

[00:05:44] hiking dramas.

[00:05:45] Awesome.

[00:05:46] I never get to use that one.

[00:05:49] Thank you.

[00:05:50] Yeah, yeah, that'll be a new one.

[00:05:51] So we have college kids falling off of cliffs.

[00:05:53] We've got a gear review.

[00:05:54] We've got recent hikes on the Holt Trail, on Mount Cardigan and then another recent hike

[00:06:01] on the Chippewa Trail on Black Mountain and I think we've got a well-sticky one as well

[00:06:06] so Stomp is holding down the fort when it comes to hiking content because I've been

[00:06:12] lazy this week so all that and we've got some recent search and rescue news

[00:06:16] so I'm Mike.

[00:06:18] And I'm Stomp.

[00:06:19] Let's get started.

[00:06:21] Let's get started.

[00:06:22] Let's go into our hiking buddies spot with our posh friend, Hinge Barlow.

[00:06:29] Yes, shall we?

[00:06:35] This is Ben Pease from Hiking Buddies.

[00:06:36] We are a 501c3 non-profit committed to reducing avoidable tragedies through education, impactful

[00:06:42] projects and fostering a community of support.

[00:06:45] You can find out more at hikingbuddies.org.

[00:06:48] We wanted to say thank you to those who have supported our mission and most

[00:06:51] importantly, say thanks to those who speak up, who ask questions and who are willing

[00:06:55] to provide guidance and assistance on the trails when needed.

[00:06:58] You embody what it means to be a hiking buddy.

[00:07:01] And now for all my newer hikers out there, here's this episode's Hiking Buddies Quick

[00:07:05] Tip.

[00:07:13] When air traveling for a backpacking or extended hiking trip, try the pack within

[00:07:18] a pack trick and take a large army duffel which can be used to hold most packs.

[00:07:36] All right, so good advice.

[00:07:38] Yes, good advice as always from our friends.

[00:07:41] Cheerio.

[00:07:42] Jadiel.

[00:07:43] Put another shrimp on the barbie.

[00:07:49] We love you, Andrew.

[00:07:51] I think that's the wrong country, but oh well.

[00:07:53] All right, so non-hiking related stomp.

[00:07:56] I've had this on my like to bring up list for like two weeks or so.

[00:08:04] So yeah, there was a...

[00:08:06] So you're a DJ, right?

[00:08:08] You want to remind the listeners about your background and like EDM and DJ stuff?

[00:08:14] Yeah, well, yeah, I've been producing music for about 30 years now.

[00:08:18] I'm a live performer way back in the day in the 90s and now it's just doing my true passion.

[00:08:23] Just a little bit of production still by mostly DJing and I just love it.

[00:08:28] You know, just electronic music, progressive house stuff like that and doing a little bit

[00:08:33] of that up here now which is pretty cool.

[00:08:35] Look at you.

[00:08:36] Mostly for the outdoor running community of all things.

[00:08:39] So it's pretty cool.

[00:08:40] Awesome, awesome.

[00:08:42] Well, so I have been thinking about you because I was somehow I got on these

[00:08:46] videos of there's this lady by the name of Grimes.

[00:08:50] Yeah.

[00:08:50] And as far as I can tell, she's famous for being famous.

[00:08:54] Do you have you guys ever heard of Grimes?

[00:08:56] Lynn, do you know Grimes?

[00:08:58] I don't think so.

[00:08:59] OK, good, good.

[00:09:00] That actually I'm happy that you don't know because so she's apparently

[00:09:05] she's like a she's famous for being married to Elon Musk.

[00:09:09] And I think she's got a couple of kids with him and then she's a DJ apparently.

[00:09:14] So she performed, I guess they call it performing at this thing called Coachella,

[00:09:20] which do you guys know what Coachella is?

[00:09:25] I do.

[00:09:26] I do.

[00:09:26] I was to know relatively.

[00:09:27] Yeah, it is just one of those outdoor concerts, outdoor gatherings.

[00:09:31] But yeah, big festival with numerous artists that perform for a couple days.

[00:09:35] So it's all just music.

[00:09:36] It's nothing else.

[00:09:39] I think it's artsy as well, but it's mostly music.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:42] Is it?

[00:09:43] All right.

[00:09:43] Well, anyway.

[00:09:44] So she was doing a performance with like her DJ stuff and she had a meltdown.

[00:09:50] So apparently she was like, you know, some other person saved my music on my SD card

[00:09:56] and like it got all messed up.

[00:09:58] So she's like on stage having a meltdown because her DJ stuff is not working.

[00:10:02] So I was like, oh, my God, I got to talk about this on the show

[00:10:05] and get Stomp's opinion because very rarely does like DJ stuff make the news.

[00:10:10] But I'm late.

[00:10:11] So I'm like two weeks behind, but I figured I'd bring it up.

[00:10:14] It's still it's still blowing up.

[00:10:16] It's crazy.

[00:10:17] I mean, there's a 10 minute long video of her just out there

[00:10:21] explaining what's going on in technical DJ talk and blaming everybody but herself.

[00:10:27] And she tries to start music up and it bonks on her and she fails

[00:10:32] and she's trying to do arithmetic and she's I mean, it was pretty embarrassing.

[00:10:37] It's definitely one of the worst moments probably a DJ could ever experience,

[00:10:42] I would think.

[00:10:44] I'm sort of shocked.

[00:10:44] I went through, you know, Wikipedia.

[00:10:47] You can always just Wikipedia.

[00:10:49] But just to get a general sense of who she is and she seems really accomplished

[00:10:53] like she's toured with everybody, including famous DJs.

[00:10:57] So I'm trying to get my arms around what happened.

[00:11:00] And I don't really know technically I know what happened on the board

[00:11:05] and I can get into that if you're curious.

[00:11:07] But in terms of her response and her inability to figure out on the fly,

[00:11:15] what had happened, it's just unbelievable for somebody that seems so accomplished.

[00:11:20] Yeah, I wonder if she's just full of full of crap

[00:11:22] and she's actually like just other people do the work

[00:11:24] and she just shows up and is like the front face or something.

[00:11:28] But I don't know.

[00:11:29] I don't know what Coachella is.

[00:11:30] I don't understand South by Southwest.

[00:11:32] I don't know what Burning Man.

[00:11:33] All these things, they sound horrible to me.

[00:11:36] Like it sounds like the worst possible thing you could do.

[00:11:39] Well, if you're going to pay money for that,

[00:11:40] you want a DJ that knows what the hell they're doing.

[00:11:42] And clearly she just wasn't up to the task or maybe she was intoxicated.

[00:11:46] I read she had a history within Fetamines.

[00:11:49] Maybe she was hammered.

[00:11:50] I don't know.

[00:11:52] It's interesting.

[00:11:54] This article you linked is wild.

[00:11:58] Wow, it's all over the board, this article here.

[00:12:00] Yeah. I mean, just just briefly from a technical standpoint,

[00:12:03] what happened was she had one track that was playing at 170 beats per minute

[00:12:07] just as a rough ballpark.

[00:12:10] The second track was playing at 85 beats per minute, which is half the time,

[00:12:14] but they were both in sync perfect and they were just moving along together.

[00:12:18] And she she must have hit a button called the sync button.

[00:12:21] And what that did was it took the 85 tempo track

[00:12:25] and matched it to the 170 and it made it sound like

[00:12:29] it was going a thousand miles an hour.

[00:12:31] Some DJs use the sync button.

[00:12:34] I don't just because of that problem.

[00:12:37] It's sync is a disaster when it is not handled properly.

[00:12:41] If she knew how to beat match by just listening with her ear,

[00:12:45] maybe she could have got out of it, but no such luck.

[00:12:48] I'm already bored out of my mind here.

[00:12:50] So Brian's is an idiot.

[00:12:52] So here's a couple.

[00:12:53] I put up a list of

[00:12:56] some things that I would rather do than go to like Coachella

[00:12:59] salt by Southwest.

[00:13:01] So I'd rather go to a rainbow family

[00:13:04] gathering in Indiana for a week than go to burning.

[00:13:08] Right. I would rather hike Zealand

[00:13:11] in the rain in April than go to Coachella.

[00:13:14] And I'd rather Bushwack the captain alone at night in bug season

[00:13:17] than go to one of these things ever.

[00:13:21] OK, other than that, I don't have a strong opinion.

[00:13:25] I don't like crowds.

[00:13:25] So that's funny.

[00:13:27] Would you come to the Coachella of the Northeast?

[00:13:31] Father's Day weekend and see me.

[00:13:34] Yeah, I'll see you. Yeah. OK.

[00:13:35] Because I got breaking news.

[00:13:36] I can finally announce it for goodness sakes.

[00:13:38] It's been a while, but I'm actually going to be DJing

[00:13:42] the Mount Washington Road Race this year.

[00:13:45] Oh, you are.

[00:13:46] You've done this before.

[00:13:47] No. And that would be my Coachella for sure

[00:13:50] for the Northeast.

[00:13:51] Holy moly. Oh, yeah.

[00:13:52] It looks like it's it's a done deal now.

[00:13:54] So yeah, if you're there, I'll be just doing all the dance

[00:13:58] music in the background because that's what they were doing.

[00:14:00] They were just sort of pumping in canned dance music

[00:14:03] and it's going to be live now.

[00:14:06] So that'd be really cool.

[00:14:07] Look at you, Stomp, going places.

[00:14:09] Hopefully you don't blow up too much because I need you here.

[00:14:13] Pull the grimes. Yeah, exactly.

[00:14:22] It's time for Slasher's Guest of the Week.

[00:14:35] Very cool, very cool.

[00:14:46] All right, well, welcome back, Lynne Sweezy.

[00:14:48] So let's catch up with you.

[00:14:49] What have you been up to?

[00:14:51] All kinds of things, I guess, speaking of being all across the board.

[00:14:55] A lot of hiking buddies things.

[00:14:57] I've been trying to do some more freelance work,

[00:15:00] kind of taking some things that were always hobbies

[00:15:03] into now things that are professions.

[00:15:05] So that's been a really interesting transition

[00:15:08] and started changing my routine.

[00:15:11] My day-to-day has been definite a definite task.

[00:15:15] You know, it's not like going to work every day

[00:15:18] and showing up somewhere and having people all around you

[00:15:21] that you're accountable to.

[00:15:23] So it's been a lot of fun figuring this out.

[00:15:26] So you're basically just working on your own now

[00:15:29] and you don't have a regular job like I do?

[00:15:34] Yeah, just on my own right now.

[00:15:37] All different contracts ranging from managing social media

[00:15:41] to photography and videography, graphic design

[00:15:44] all across the spectrum there.

[00:15:46] Wow, so if any listeners want to hire you,

[00:15:48] where do they go?

[00:15:50] They can go to linsweezy.com.

[00:15:53] That's my website or I'm pretty visible on social media.

[00:15:56] Sweezer Outdoors official or Lynn Sweezer on Facebook.

[00:16:01] All right, well we'll put your socials on there.

[00:16:02] Maybe you get some gigs here.

[00:16:03] You have to kick back 10% to me in Stomp though.

[00:16:07] Of course.

[00:16:10] Is that a granny quilt behind you like me?

[00:16:12] You have a granny quilt?

[00:16:14] Yeah.

[00:16:14] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:15] Oh hell yeah.

[00:16:17] I crocheted this.

[00:16:19] Oh wow, that's a beauty.

[00:16:21] That's a beautiful piece.

[00:16:22] I'm all keyed in on granny quilts now

[00:16:24] since I ever came over.

[00:16:27] Oh that's right.

[00:16:28] Yeah, he told everybody about his blanket that he got.

[00:16:31] So yeah, this is just one that I made a long time ago.

[00:16:35] This is a lot smaller than this but yeah.

[00:16:37] You too when you thinkies, I love it.

[00:16:40] Yeah, that's right.

[00:16:40] My emotional support blanket.

[00:16:42] And then what else have you been doing?

[00:16:44] You've been doing some outdoor climbing.

[00:16:46] You've been doing some indoor climbing too.

[00:16:47] I feel like you've switched over from hiking to climbing

[00:16:49] more frequently based on the social media stuff I've seen.

[00:16:54] Yeah, I kind of got pulled in that direction.

[00:16:56] I have a super good community where I climb

[00:16:59] nearby my house and so those guys sort of adopted me

[00:17:03] into their crew and I've been outdoors I think

[00:17:05] for five sessions so far this year

[00:17:08] and got to try some ice climbing this winter

[00:17:11] which was really exciting.

[00:17:13] They're two completely different sports

[00:17:15] even though you think of them as similar.

[00:17:18] They're really not, it's been really great.

[00:17:21] How's the learning curve to get all the like,

[00:17:23] it's intimidating to me I see the harnesses

[00:17:25] and I see the ropes and I see the hardware

[00:17:28] and I'm like this is too much, too stressful for me.

[00:17:32] I would say the learning curve's a little different

[00:17:34] between ice climbing and rock climbing.

[00:17:37] To get on a rock wall outside I think it's beneficial

[00:17:40] to have had a good amount of practice indoors in a gym

[00:17:44] because there's a lot of technique involved

[00:17:46] and while there is also a ton of technique

[00:17:49] involved with ice climbing,

[00:17:51] it's not so much fishing around for the right spots

[00:17:54] to put your hands in the handholds and footholds

[00:17:56] and a little bit more just being able to carefully

[00:17:59] navigate the ice maybe using the route

[00:18:01] that the people behind you have used

[00:18:04] and getting your ice axes and crampons

[00:18:08] just kicked into the ice.

[00:18:10] So it's completely different body motions

[00:18:12] and yeah, different thought processes as well.

[00:18:18] Well, I'm impressed.

[00:18:19] You're definitely not lazy compared to me.

[00:18:21] I've been just doing hiking and hiking and hiking

[00:18:24] so I don't know, just going vertical makes me nervous.

[00:18:28] So have you felt, how'd you fall

[00:18:30] when you wiped out any injuries?

[00:18:33] I can't say I've really fallen.

[00:18:34] One time I squashed my ankle against the wall.

[00:18:37] I was climbing in sort of a cave

[00:18:39] like an overhang situation and I was pretty new

[00:18:42] to the type of climbing, the lead climbing.

[00:18:44] And so I squashed my ankle a bit

[00:18:47] but it was fine after a little while.

[00:18:50] Okay, all right.

[00:18:51] I'm trying to talk Mrs. Stomp into climbing

[00:18:53] but she has no interest.

[00:18:55] I'll take her?

[00:18:56] Oh, that'd be fun.

[00:18:57] I think she would really like it.

[00:18:59] You know, just start indoors and see what happens.

[00:19:03] Yeah, Alexandria come with me.

[00:19:04] That's your official invite.

[00:19:06] Ah, there it is.

[00:19:08] Okay.

[00:19:09] I'm gonna love that.

[00:19:09] Stomp, we can go out and do something.

[00:19:12] We're gonna have a guys night.

[00:19:13] Yeah, we go drink beer.

[00:19:15] Yes.

[00:19:16] He's not okay.

[00:19:17] Yeah, you guys go somewhere else.

[00:19:19] We'll go climbing.

[00:19:20] I don't want to be doing that.

[00:19:21] We'll have fun after too.

[00:19:23] Yeah.

[00:19:23] And then what's going on with the hiking buddy?

[00:19:25] So for the listeners,

[00:19:26] Lynn is involved with the hiking buddies

[00:19:29] so she does a lot of behind the scenes work,

[00:19:31] support Julie and Ben and the rest of the crew there.

[00:19:34] So what's the latest with the buddies?

[00:19:37] Yeah, hiking buddies is really been trying to focus

[00:19:41] on community-based education,

[00:19:43] making an impact to the people and places

[00:19:46] that are around us.

[00:19:47] So recently we conducted along with Red Line Guiding

[00:19:53] or should I say Red Line Guiding conducted courses

[00:19:56] that basically introduce hikers

[00:19:58] to different hiking techniques.

[00:20:01] For instance, you know, safe river crossings

[00:20:04] or different elements of campcraft,

[00:20:08] how to recreate safely.

[00:20:10] You know, whether it's the three season program

[00:20:13] or the winter-based program,

[00:20:15] depending on the season that you're in,

[00:20:17] you can choose sort of which skills

[00:20:19] you're looking to build.

[00:20:22] Excellent.

[00:20:23] And then is the,

[00:20:25] I haven't really paid as much attention.

[00:20:26] I actually have to put out a hiking buddy hike

[00:20:29] at some point.

[00:20:30] I want to do something this summer

[00:20:31] but has the volume continued with them?

[00:20:33] Are they still getting a lot of people

[00:20:35] getting out there, going hiking together?

[00:20:39] Oh yeah, tons of people putting up hikes on the page,

[00:20:41] you know, on the Facebook page, end of things.

[00:20:44] You see all different types like, you know,

[00:20:46] Andrew Barlow is excellent at putting up

[00:20:48] sort of the turtle hikes, the slower hikes.

[00:20:51] And it's pretty specific.

[00:20:52] When you're ready to join a hike,

[00:20:54] you can find one.

[00:20:55] It'll tell you the pace, the difficulty,

[00:20:58] the distance and, you know, kind of a start time.

[00:21:01] So you can start picking shoes

[00:21:03] if you find something that you like

[00:21:04] or maybe there's a few folks on that hike already.

[00:21:07] And so it helps bring, I find it in talking to people,

[00:21:11] it helps bring folks who might not otherwise

[00:21:14] tackle some mountains

[00:21:15] because they're a little afraid to do so on them,

[00:21:17] you know, by themselves.

[00:21:18] They're more willing to maybe try new things

[00:21:21] or get out there a little more

[00:21:22] if they've got a buddy or three.

[00:21:24] Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[00:21:26] And then you've recently,

[00:21:27] you took a solo wilderness class.

[00:21:29] What was that all about?

[00:21:31] Yeah, so again, through red line guiding,

[00:21:34] solo wilderness, which is Stonehearth

[00:21:37] open learning opportunities.

[00:21:39] They offer wilderness first aid,

[00:21:42] wilderness first responder,

[00:21:44] all the way up through, you know,

[00:21:45] wilderness EMT and other types of courses.

[00:21:47] But for me, I was recertifying

[00:21:50] my wilderness first responder

[00:21:52] in a wilderness first aid course.

[00:21:54] So that's the way that you recertify.

[00:21:56] It's a two day course.

[00:21:58] You have a good mixture of classroom

[00:22:01] and practical education.

[00:22:02] So for instance, you know,

[00:22:04] you'll learn about wound care in the classroom

[00:22:06] and then you'll go outside

[00:22:07] and the instructor will instruct,

[00:22:10] you know, your partner to be a patient

[00:22:12] and what they should do

[00:22:13] and how they should mock an injury.

[00:22:15] And then you as the rescuer would go in

[00:22:17] and hopefully practice what you've just learned

[00:22:19] in patient assessment

[00:22:20] and you know, maybe dressing the wound

[00:22:23] or whatever the case might be.

[00:22:25] And so you put those to work

[00:22:26] and kind of repeat those.

[00:22:29] Was there anything you forgot

[00:22:30] that you remembered as you took the class

[00:22:32] that you thought was like either new

[00:22:34] or surprising that you didn't remember?

[00:22:39] You know, they actually added a little bit about drowning

[00:22:43] in this curriculum.

[00:22:44] So that's something that really hasn't been

[00:22:46] in the wilderness first aid curriculum too much.

[00:22:49] So, you know, it was interesting

[00:22:52] to learn a little bit about that.

[00:22:53] And you know, you go over anything

[00:22:56] from shock to what to do in the case of a, you know

[00:23:01] a large wound, a small wound, maybe a concussion

[00:23:04] or basically just stabilizing someone

[00:23:06] until more professional help can get there

[00:23:10] or help extract them, you know.

[00:23:12] Did they give any advice on like newer

[00:23:16] like field dressings?

[00:23:17] I've saw like some videos recently

[00:23:19] of these like larger butterfly dressings

[00:23:22] that you can use or is there anything new

[00:23:24] in that area like anything that you looked at

[00:23:27] and said like, oh, I'm going to add that

[00:23:28] to my first aid kit?

[00:23:31] Yeah, I think the overwhelming idea that I got

[00:23:34] is that as, you know, wilderness aid

[00:23:37] and wilderness first responders,

[00:23:39] you don't really want to be doing anything terribly

[00:23:41] permanent to the patient.

[00:23:42] You want to make sure that you're

[00:23:44] in many cases able to let that wound breathe

[00:23:47] or that the rescuers that come

[00:23:49] are able to undo what you've done easily.

[00:23:51] So I think they try to go with simple answers,

[00:23:54] you know, like a gauze wrap and things like that.

[00:23:58] When it comes to technology,

[00:24:00] I think the simple answers are right there.

[00:24:03] You know, having like a Sam's splint in your bag

[00:24:05] is really important because it's not,

[00:24:08] you can mimic it in the outdoors.

[00:24:10] You can put some sticks together to make a brace,

[00:24:12] but you know, simply having like that,

[00:24:15] that Sam's splint with you is really important.

[00:24:19] I don't know, I don't know that technology

[00:24:21] really comes into play too much.

[00:24:24] Yeah, Stomp, I was watching this video on YouTube

[00:24:27] with this guy, this guy had a huge gash like on his arm

[00:24:30] and they put these giant butterfly,

[00:24:34] you know, bandages on either side

[00:24:36] and then they could like pull the string together

[00:24:38] to kind of like sort of close the wound.

[00:24:40] It was pretty cool.

[00:24:41] I was thinking like, I wonder if Stomp has that

[00:24:43] in his first aid kit or anything.

[00:24:45] You know what?

[00:24:45] I actually do know.

[00:24:46] I decided to get away from the autistic,

[00:24:51] austere, I was gonna say autistic,

[00:24:54] the autistic approach to tourniquets.

[00:24:57] So I actually hardened my pack with legit shoulder sling

[00:25:04] and tourniquets just in case

[00:25:07] and also for my snowmobile pack

[00:25:09] where if it's gonna happen anywhere,

[00:25:11] it's gonna happen there.

[00:25:13] But I don't think enough people carry things

[00:25:16] for shoulders because you can dislocate your shoulder easy

[00:25:19] and if you're unable to reduce it

[00:25:21] and you have to walk out with that thing to your side,

[00:25:24] it's best to have a real legit shoulder sling

[00:25:26] that'll keep it stable for the walkout.

[00:25:30] Well, I think the other thing too

[00:25:31] is if you don't wanna get a shoulder sling,

[00:25:33] like maybe, I was thinking about this actually,

[00:25:36] like a lot of people will carry like one bandana.

[00:25:40] I think that like if you could probably rig together

[00:25:44] something pretty good with just two bandanas.

[00:25:47] So if like you're hiking with somebody

[00:25:49] and you both have one,

[00:25:49] then you know you got something covered.

[00:25:51] If not, then it's really,

[00:25:53] it weighs nothing to carry an extra bandana in your pack

[00:25:56] and then a lot of people will put a bandana outside.

[00:25:58] So I feel like two bandanas,

[00:26:00] you should be able to put together

[00:26:01] a pretty good sling, right?

[00:26:03] I think so, yeah, for sure.

[00:26:05] Yeah, you could do all kinds of fancy things.

[00:26:08] Maybe three with your arm stump.

[00:26:12] Didn't it?

[00:26:13] Did somebody comment on the Instagram

[00:26:16] and they were like, oh my God, Stomp is jacked.

[00:26:18] I know, that's so silly.

[00:26:19] That was somebody at the awards.

[00:26:21] I don't know, I would imagine,

[00:26:23] but yeah, that was sort of embarrassing, silly.

[00:26:25] Stomp's on steroids now.

[00:26:27] He's got his big Hulk Hogan arms.

[00:26:30] Oh my goodness.

[00:26:31] That's right, try to put a tourniquet on these babies.

[00:26:34] Ain't gonna happen.

[00:26:37] One of the big takeaways for me there

[00:26:39] was those long gauze triangle bandages, Stomp.

[00:26:44] That if you just carry one, two or three of those,

[00:26:46] you can do so many things with it,

[00:26:48] you can clean with it,

[00:26:49] you can use it like a cheesecloth

[00:26:52] where maybe you have to strain your water of debris

[00:26:56] before boiling it, for instance,

[00:26:58] using it like you said as a sling or swath.

[00:27:01] So there's 100 uses for that little triangle bandage.

[00:27:04] So this is a square gauze bandage,

[00:27:07] what are you talking about?

[00:27:09] Triangular, in a sense.

[00:27:11] Oh, triangular, okay.

[00:27:12] But the way you can fold it and manipulate it,

[00:27:15] you can just make various things out of it

[00:27:17] and then cinch it down.

[00:27:19] So it works out pretty well

[00:27:20] and it takes zero space to keep in your pack.

[00:27:24] Oh, I see it, I got it right here.

[00:27:26] So I'll link it in the show notes here.

[00:27:28] Yeah, so, okay.

[00:27:30] Good tip.

[00:27:31] The other thing I found really handy

[00:27:32] about that course in general

[00:27:35] is how to do a spinal assessment

[00:27:38] and just cover circulation, sensation, movement

[00:27:41] and all this and that because there are several situations

[00:27:43] where you wanna screen the spine if you can,

[00:27:47] not that you're going to be able to do much,

[00:27:49] but the way you handle it

[00:27:50] or care for somebody in the woods,

[00:27:53] it'll make a big difference

[00:27:54] if you suspect an injury to the spine

[00:27:56] or to the head, cervical spine.

[00:27:58] So that's a really critical part of that course,

[00:28:02] for sure.

[00:28:03] And it's a two-day course, Lynn, was everybody normal?

[00:28:06] Would you wanna kill some of your classmates by the end of it?

[00:28:09] No way, I liked everybody there.

[00:28:11] We all had a good time and in fact,

[00:28:13] yeah one of us, so I'll out myself here.

[00:28:17] One time when Cindy and I were hiking,

[00:28:19] we were in the triparamids and we're coming down,

[00:28:22] it was pretty late.

[00:28:23] We had had two or three head lamps with us,

[00:28:25] one of them failed, one of them had no battery,

[00:28:27] one of them was very low

[00:28:28] and we were getting into trouble.

[00:28:31] Listen, yeah, this is pretty shameful,

[00:28:33] but so basically this guy came along,

[00:28:37] he was holding a big American flag

[00:28:39] and he was going at pretty good speed

[00:28:41] and he opened up the brain of his pack

[00:28:43] and I think he had five other head lamps in that brain

[00:28:47] and he gave each of us one

[00:28:49] and we were able to continue out.

[00:28:51] I think we were going through the long road walk

[00:28:54] at the end there.

[00:28:55] Oh my God, how freaking lucky are you guys?

[00:28:58] Oh yeah, we were so lucky.

[00:29:00] So that was John and he just so happened to be

[00:29:03] in the Wilderness First Aid class

[00:29:05] and so like he had his slasher merchandise on

[00:29:08] and it was just cool.

[00:29:10] Like it's like wait a minute.

[00:29:11] Captain America got slasher gear?

[00:29:13] He really did.

[00:29:14] I sent you guys the picture.

[00:29:16] I saw that, yeah.

[00:29:17] Yeah, yeah, good guy.

[00:29:19] So it was fun.

[00:29:20] You know, we all got along

[00:29:21] and you kind of partner up with somebody

[00:29:23] for most of the time

[00:29:24] and you get to know each other.

[00:29:25] It's a good time.

[00:29:26] Yeah, no, that's awesome.

[00:29:28] So anything else before we move on

[00:29:30] to a couple of news articles here?

[00:29:33] Geez, I don't know.

[00:29:34] As hiking buddies,

[00:29:36] I'm gonna be at the public lands in Framingham

[00:29:40] on May 11th.

[00:29:41] So that's basically an outdoor retailer

[00:29:44] and it's an arm of the Dick Sporting Goods family.

[00:29:47] So they have their one store in New England

[00:29:50] in Framingham.

[00:29:50] So I'm gonna put up a hiking buddies table

[00:29:53] on May 11th where I'm gonna be giving away

[00:29:55] our hiking buddies head lamps.

[00:29:57] There's gonna be other swagging goodies up for grabs.

[00:29:59] So if you're in the area

[00:30:00] and wanna check out the new store

[00:30:01] or say hi to me,

[00:30:02] you can come down and do that.

[00:30:04] Awesome, it texts me the details.

[00:30:05] I'll put that in the show notes too.

[00:30:07] Well, I will.

[00:30:08] Thanks.

[00:30:09] Awesome, all right.

[00:30:10] So moving on here,

[00:30:11] we got a couple of articles here

[00:30:13] and then Lynn is gonna hang with us

[00:30:15] and give her insights on some of this stuff here.

[00:30:17] So, Reckless Steve sent us a link

[00:30:20] to a national database of historical markers.

[00:30:25] So not only can you do the markers in New Hampshire,

[00:30:28] but you can go, I guess, all over the US.

[00:30:33] Yeah, it's pretty cool.

[00:30:34] It's just a national resource

[00:30:36] as opposed to our statewide resource that we have.

[00:30:40] So thank you, Reckless Steve for the information, the dip.

[00:30:44] Excellent.

[00:30:45] And then the next thing,

[00:30:47] we did a story about a cat out in Colorado

[00:30:50] that had been involved in a rescue.

[00:30:53] So it's owner and then the owner's friend

[00:30:56] were climbing somewhere and they needed to get a rescue

[00:30:59] and listener Becca Playford informs us

[00:31:03] that the climbers with the cat did not get billed.

[00:31:05] So, I think Colorado is pretty good

[00:31:08] about not billing people.

[00:31:09] So the cat did not have to pay

[00:31:11] for the search and rescue team.

[00:31:16] That's the way to go out of a bill.

[00:31:17] Just have a count in your pack.

[00:31:20] Yep, and then I got busted

[00:31:23] for spreading misinformation last week.

[00:31:25] So it's my turn to feel the shame drop.

[00:31:29] So we were talking about this chronic wasting disease,

[00:31:31] which I think is essentially like mad cow disease for elks

[00:31:35] and like listen, whoever the listener was that called me out.

[00:31:38] I just said it as a throwaway.

[00:31:40] I didn't mean it scientifically,

[00:31:41] but I was like, yeah, just make sure you cook your

[00:31:45] venison really well or whatever.

[00:31:46] I was joking.

[00:31:48] Apparently Mr. Scientist here is like explaining

[00:31:51] that you can't cook away this chronic wasting disease.

[00:31:54] So listener Johnny for Apple Seed says

[00:31:57] that you can't cook out chronic wasting disease

[00:32:00] and that they are prions,

[00:32:01] which apparently these prions are like indestructible.

[00:32:04] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:32:05] Yep.

[00:32:07] But yeah, Johnny for Apple Seed's a good guy.

[00:32:09] He gives us a lot of cool real content and whatnot,

[00:32:12] but thank you for the update.

[00:32:15] But back to the story.

[00:32:16] Although I did, just before you go into it,

[00:32:20] I did do some research after this.

[00:32:21] So you can actually destroy prions.

[00:32:24] You can either soak them in a chlorine solution

[00:32:27] for like a long time or you can get them cooked

[00:32:31] with sustained heat of 900 degrees

[00:32:33] or higher for a long period of time.

[00:32:36] Okay.

[00:32:37] Oh my God.

[00:32:38] So if you like your steak well done,

[00:32:39] you can technically cook it out.

[00:32:42] Okay.

[00:32:44] Well done.

[00:32:46] No thanks.

[00:32:48] Can you kill a tick at that temperature?

[00:32:50] Yeah, I don't know what the temperature is to kill a tick.

[00:32:52] That's a good point.

[00:32:53] You're indestructible.

[00:32:55] Joking.

[00:33:00] All right.

[00:33:02] You guys ready for some hiking drama?

[00:33:05] Hold on a minute.

[00:33:05] I want to give you the bottom update here,

[00:33:08] the bottom line update.

[00:33:09] It's two seconds.

[00:33:10] So that report was sketchy.

[00:33:12] There was no evidence to suggest

[00:33:14] actual human transition from deer to people.

[00:33:18] So you don't have to worry about that.

[00:33:20] So I don't know what happened with this report,

[00:33:23] but the National Deer Association put out a statement saying

[00:33:28] that is false information.

[00:33:30] So you don't have to worry about that at the moment.

[00:33:32] There's no evidence.

[00:33:35] Okay.

[00:33:36] Yeah.

[00:33:36] All kinds of misinformation about this story

[00:33:39] and I blame Stomp.

[00:33:41] That's misinformation.

[00:33:44] All right.

[00:33:48] I'm gonna share my screen just so that Stomp and Lynn

[00:33:50] can follow along with this story here.

[00:33:52] So we have hiking drama on the Pacific Crest Trail

[00:33:56] and I just want to give a visual

[00:33:59] because I want Lynn in particular to judge

[00:34:02] whether or not she thinks that this guy is a creeper

[00:34:05] or not.

[00:34:06] So this guy's a creeper immediately.

[00:34:12] So what happened was this earlier,

[00:34:15] last week or like over the weekend,

[00:34:18] the Pacific Crest Trail Association,

[00:34:23] which is like this official group,

[00:34:26] they put out an alert that said,

[00:34:28] we received several reports about a hiker.

[00:34:32] They named the hiker.

[00:34:34] They actually gave his name and his two hiker name

[00:34:37] and they said he may be a safety concern

[00:34:39] to other hikers on the trail.

[00:34:41] He has been blocked by our Facebook groups.

[00:34:44] If you would like to share any experiences

[00:34:46] with this hiker with us,

[00:34:48] please email info at pacificcresttrail.org

[00:34:52] or use this contact form

[00:34:54] and this information will be used

[00:34:57] to help inform enforcement agencies

[00:35:00] and to inform us how to make meaningful change

[00:35:03] to reduce these types of incidents.

[00:35:05] So that went out on like sometime over the weekend,

[00:35:11] I think so obviously like,

[00:35:13] I think we're all sort of,

[00:35:16] we remember what happened in 2019

[00:35:18] with a through hiker sovereign

[00:35:19] and there was a lot of warnings

[00:35:21] about this guy ahead of time

[00:35:23] and he ended up like killing another through hiker

[00:35:25] after like being arrested and released

[00:35:28] and everyone thought he was off trail

[00:35:29] and there was just a lot of chatter on social media.

[00:35:31] So I think a lot of these organizations

[00:35:35] are earing on the side of caution when it comes out,

[00:35:38] when it comes to this stuff.

[00:35:39] So apparently the PCT Association

[00:35:44] got a notification about this guy

[00:35:48] and they felt like they had enough evidence

[00:35:50] where they were like,

[00:35:51] we gotta warn everyone about it

[00:35:53] but then they very quickly removed the post

[00:35:58] and then did another post and they said,

[00:36:00] we've taken down a recent post

[00:36:01] that was not authorized by the PCTA

[00:36:05] and I'm not in the group so I can't get access to it.

[00:36:10] There's a hyperlink to it

[00:36:11] but essentially what ended up happening

[00:36:15] is that they indicated that this may be a case

[00:36:20] where a couple was together,

[00:36:26] a guy and a girl and they broke up

[00:36:29] and the woman apparently had expressed some concerns

[00:36:33] that this guy was dangerous

[00:36:35] and as they started digging into it,

[00:36:38] they realized that this could just be simply

[00:36:40] be a relationship situation that's gone south

[00:36:43] and they couldn't figure out like okay,

[00:36:45] is it the boyfriend's fault?

[00:36:48] Is it the girlfriend's fault?

[00:36:49] Whatever but meanwhile this guy has been now labeled

[00:36:52] as like a potential creeper.

[00:36:56] So first they post up to be on the alert

[00:36:58] then they post and say like,

[00:36:59] oh sorry we made a mistake,

[00:37:01] nevermind it's just a private matter

[00:37:04] and then all of a sudden then all these people

[00:37:07] start coming out of the woodwork,

[00:37:09] all these women and these other people

[00:37:10] like yeah this guy really is a creep

[00:37:13] and then somebody else posted this like scary video

[00:37:16] of the guy confronting like another hiker

[00:37:23] and the video was like it's the guy that got accused

[00:37:27] of being a creeper by the PCT association

[00:37:30] videotaping another through hiker

[00:37:33] that is in a shelter with his tent set up

[00:37:36] and he's like basically threatening to kill this guy

[00:37:38] which I understand the sentiment

[00:37:40] when you go into a shelter

[00:37:41] and you see somebody with a tent in there

[00:37:42] but he's a little over the top and a little scary

[00:37:45] like the guy seems pretty harmless

[00:37:47] and he's an older guy

[00:37:48] and he's just like leave me alone.

[00:37:50] So yeah so there's a lot of people

[00:37:53] which is basically like rounding up the wagons for this guy

[00:37:57] and then like I took a look at the guy's Instagram page

[00:38:02] and like the first thing he's got this

[00:38:04] like very aggressive saying on his Instagram

[00:38:08] and he's got like some scary like dog pictures

[00:38:10] and he just seems like a really creepy dude

[00:38:13] so I don't know, maybe he was arguing

[00:38:16] with his girlfriend but he also

[00:38:18] I don't think does himself any favors by being out there

[00:38:20] and being pretty weird on social media.

[00:38:23] So anyway, if you're on the Pacific Crest Trail

[00:38:27] I think you can dig around in some of the Facebook groups

[00:38:30] and the Reddit groups to read more about this.

[00:38:32] Not gonna share the guy's name

[00:38:33] but it just sounds, it's just seemed

[00:38:35] like an interesting story.

[00:38:36] So I think I thought I'd bring it.

[00:38:38] Hmm.

[00:38:39] What do you think Lynn?

[00:38:40] I think the dude's probably creepy.

[00:38:43] I mean it's so vague

[00:38:44] and there's so many different sides

[00:38:46] to whatever's going on here

[00:38:47] whether it's a relationship or not

[00:38:49] and what people experienced.

[00:38:52] It just all doesn't sound right.

[00:38:54] I would stay far away.

[00:38:58] What's the etiquette on tents and shelters?

[00:39:01] That looked like a single person tent

[00:39:02] so it would probably be the dimensions of a pad.

[00:39:06] Yeah, I think like to me it's

[00:39:09] don't do the tent in the shelter

[00:39:10] like pick one or the other

[00:39:12] either just keep the tent out there

[00:39:13] but I think sometimes people roll the dice

[00:39:15] and they'll say like, well, there's nobody here.

[00:39:18] There's nobody coming, I'm okay.

[00:39:20] Like that situation there seemed to me

[00:39:22] like that was a huge shelter

[00:39:25] and that guy's tent was like off in the back corner.

[00:39:27] There's nobody there but the guy, the two men.

[00:39:30] So what's the beef?

[00:39:32] It's sort of like you could say,

[00:39:34] hey buddy, you're not supposed to put a tent there

[00:39:38] but this, I didn't play the audio

[00:39:40] but it was pretty vicious

[00:39:42] like he was threatening to beat the guy up

[00:39:44] and he's an older guy

[00:39:45] and this guy that the PCT put an alert out

[00:39:49] seems like a bigger guy.

[00:39:50] So yeah, I don't know.

[00:39:52] It just seems a little crazy to me.

[00:39:54] Interesting.

[00:39:55] Yeah, well, keep an eye out kids, keep an eye out.

[00:40:00] I do feel like early on in the through hiker season

[00:40:02] that's when all the crazy people are around

[00:40:04] because they're, you know,

[00:40:06] they don't have to like go too far

[00:40:08] and they're jumping on trail magic

[00:40:10] and all this other stuff.

[00:40:12] Yep. All right.

[00:40:14] Stop now.

[00:40:14] You get to use your gear review drop.

[00:40:22] Are you ready for Slasher's Gear Review?

[00:40:33] Woohoo!

[00:40:34] Yeah, I just wanted to do a follow-up.

[00:40:35] I've been using the 65 low Sarac pack

[00:40:38] that I've swapped over

[00:40:41] for one of my older crappy packs

[00:40:44] and a couple comments.

[00:40:46] It's definitely, it still seems like it's smaller

[00:40:48] than a 65 liter.

[00:40:49] It does not come across as a giant pack

[00:40:52] but there's plenty of room when you need it.

[00:40:55] Waste pockets have been amazing

[00:40:57] for cell phones and keys and things like that.

[00:40:59] I mean, I use a Note 20 which is a pretty big phone

[00:41:02] and the phone fits right into the pockets

[00:41:05] without a problem.

[00:41:07] The ThermaRest sleeping pad

[00:41:10] straps on the bottom of the pack

[00:41:11] have to be my favorite thing ever.

[00:41:14] My pad is on my pack 24-7 now.

[00:41:17] I never take it off.

[00:41:18] It's super handy.

[00:41:19] It's always there if I need it

[00:41:21] and it's just great to put your pack down on that

[00:41:23] as opposed to putting it on the damp ground.

[00:41:26] So that's a super cool feature.

[00:41:29] Let's see.

[00:41:30] There's a bottom sleeping pad or sleeping bag zipper

[00:41:36] which opens up and I've been using it for hard gear

[00:41:38] like spikes and water bottles, things like that.

[00:41:41] That's super cool.

[00:41:43] The cinching system is great too.

[00:41:45] It's really easy to adjust for your full body.

[00:41:48] The waist straps themselves,

[00:41:50] to tighten them you're pulling out

[00:41:52] and then there's just two little clips

[00:41:54] you pull to the left and right

[00:41:55] and it opens right up.

[00:41:56] It's really nice.

[00:41:57] So you're really using the strength of your arms

[00:42:00] in a better manner, pulling forward

[00:42:02] as opposed to the laterally out to the sides.

[00:42:05] The brain's massive.

[00:42:07] On a negative note,

[00:42:09] the chest strap actually rides up on my neck.

[00:42:13] So I don't know what the deal is

[00:42:15] but this is a European company, I believe

[00:42:19] and maybe the dimensions over there are different

[00:42:22] but the chest strap is definitely hitting.

[00:42:25] What is that?

[00:42:26] The manubrium at the top of my sternum.

[00:42:29] Sounds right.

[00:42:29] The little furrow right there.

[00:42:31] I concur.

[00:42:32] That's where it's sitting.

[00:42:33] So you can tell that would drive you nuts if that was...

[00:42:36] Does that, is the adjustment based on

[00:42:41] like I think like shoulder straps,

[00:42:43] there's like S straps and J straps

[00:42:45] and I really don't know the difference on them

[00:42:46] but I think that based on the way

[00:42:47] that those come across that they can ride up

[00:42:51] on your chest or ride lower.

[00:42:54] Not sure.

[00:42:55] Not really sure.

[00:42:55] I'd never heard of that.

[00:42:57] Okay.

[00:42:58] Yeah, there are companies now making sort of that

[00:43:00] S strap where it's supposed to be

[00:43:02] a little bit more ergonomically correct

[00:43:04] and I think a lot of the women's packs

[00:43:06] sort of follow that theme as well

[00:43:09] but it is definitely a different kind of fit

[00:43:12] and if you can't adjust that chest strap down.

[00:43:15] Yeah, I'm not sure.

[00:43:17] Yeah, it's all good.

[00:43:18] It's still a great pack.

[00:43:20] Have you ever used a pack that has a pocket underneath it?

[00:43:24] Like I think it's either Hyperlight or Polanti

[00:43:26] that does it where you've got your pack on

[00:43:29] and then there's an entire pocket underneath the pack itself.

[00:43:33] On the bottom itself?

[00:43:35] Yeah, exactly where your pad is right now.

[00:43:38] That would be like a pocket

[00:43:39] that you can sort of access at your box

[00:43:42] and it's a really innovative and clever thing.

[00:43:45] Yeah.

[00:43:46] I have not seen that.

[00:43:48] I'm gonna find one.

[00:43:49] Yeah, my Hyperlight doesn't have that

[00:43:50] but it has like a giant pocket in the back

[00:43:52] but it's not accessible.

[00:43:55] I'll send you one.

[00:43:56] It's pretty neat.

[00:43:57] Okay, awesome.

[00:43:58] So, four out of five stars, let's just say.

[00:44:02] What did you do with your old pack?

[00:44:03] You still have it?

[00:44:05] I dedicated it for snowmobile guiding

[00:44:08] so it's 100% just dedicated for that.

[00:44:10] Okay, did you move your patches over to the new one?

[00:44:13] No, but I actually put my pack

[00:44:16] into Evergreen embroidery in Campton.

[00:44:19] They do a great job

[00:44:20] and I got the team logo put on the brain professionally

[00:44:25] so it looks super slick.

[00:44:27] Oh, that's a good idea.

[00:44:29] Oh yeah.

[00:44:29] I just have...

[00:44:30] Yeah, Evergreen's awesome.

[00:44:32] I just have my own like crappy sewing job

[00:44:36] that my patches always fall off because of it.

[00:44:38] Oh, totally, yeah, same here.

[00:44:40] But yeah, get it professionally embroidered on.

[00:44:43] It's so cool.

[00:44:45] All right, good idea.

[00:44:47] All right, so Stompz loves his new pack

[00:44:49] and then Forest Road updates data

[00:44:51] so nothing is open yet.

[00:44:53] I just took a look online

[00:44:54] to see if anything had been updated

[00:44:55] but there is no changes

[00:44:58] but I do feel like in the next week or two

[00:45:00] like we're gonna get some warm weather

[00:45:01] and then that's gonna change.

[00:45:02] Some roads are gonna open up

[00:45:03] and bugs are gonna be here.

[00:45:06] I would think so.

[00:45:07] Oh, bugs, why'd you have to say that?

[00:45:10] They're coming.

[00:45:12] Yeah, yeah.

[00:45:14] Oh well.

[00:45:15] All right, and then Stompz you pulled the news article

[00:45:17] here like Coyote was spotted in Central Park.

[00:45:21] Yeah, that's a little odd don't you think?

[00:45:24] I don't know, is that normal?

[00:45:26] I mean this thing looks huge.

[00:45:29] If you look at the videos

[00:45:30] that is the size of a full grown dog.

[00:45:33] Just roaming around Central Park.

[00:45:34] This is 30, 40 pounds, yeah.

[00:45:36] Huh, I found that to be odd

[00:45:38] just in such a metropolitan area.

[00:45:42] But who knows?

[00:45:45] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:45:45] It's, I mean with his trees

[00:45:48] there's gonna be animals.

[00:45:50] Yeah and speaking of animal sightings

[00:45:52] I have a link here for the Cowboys State Daily

[00:45:56] which is one of my go-tos

[00:45:57] and they every week they have all kinds of hiking stories

[00:46:00] and different things, but I found a story Mike

[00:46:04] which might interest you

[00:46:05] we'll just touch upon it here.

[00:46:06] There's a study out there saying now

[00:46:08] that most Sasquatch sightings

[00:46:11] are probably just black bear sightings.

[00:46:14] That's what they're finding.

[00:46:16] Yeah.

[00:46:17] No kidding.

[00:46:17] So it's a really interesting article

[00:46:18] and they're starting to find some correlations.

[00:46:21] Yeah it was an actual study

[00:46:22] that was published by the Journal of Zoology

[00:46:24] and that's what they're claiming.

[00:46:26] So interesting story.

[00:46:29] I believe it.

[00:46:30] I believe it.

[00:46:31] People get over excited.

[00:46:32] Yeah, so people are seeing things

[00:46:34] but it's probably just a black bear.

[00:46:37] All right and then we've got a story here.

[00:46:41] Stop, we're getting our friend the Sherpa

[00:46:43] is coming in soon right?

[00:46:44] Hell yeah.

[00:46:45] We're gonna talk all about Nepal.

[00:46:47] Yep.

[00:46:48] So you pulled an article about this guy

[00:46:50] that he wanted to climb Mount Everest

[00:46:52] but apparently he tried to come in from the China side

[00:46:55] and they said no way

[00:46:57] but he's now gonna head over to Nepal.

[00:47:00] So I guess he's temporarily blocked

[00:47:03] as the Chinese prohibited foreigners

[00:47:05] from the Tibet region

[00:47:07] and now he's gonna go through Nepal.

[00:47:10] So Everett is his last peak to hit

[00:47:13] on his goal of summoning the highest peaks

[00:47:14] in all seven continents.

[00:47:18] You would think that this guy

[00:47:19] has got enough experience to do six of the highest peaks

[00:47:21] that he would know that he can't get in through China

[00:47:23] but apparently he didn't know that.

[00:47:25] Yeah, I found that a lot.

[00:47:27] Yeah.

[00:47:28] I mean that's not a new phenomena.

[00:47:31] It's always been an issue.

[00:47:33] Well, the north side of Everest

[00:47:34] has been shut down essentially

[00:47:35] for many years at this point.

[00:47:38] Like I don't think that it's common

[00:47:40] to go up that side as the south side at this point.

[00:47:43] So I guess he kind of knew

[00:47:46] that it was a risk and they had a plan B.

[00:47:48] Here we go.

[00:47:50] Yeah, so that's coming from the cowboy stay daily.

[00:47:54] Always interesting stuff there.

[00:47:57] We all know that hiking a mountain

[00:47:59] can be hard at times.

[00:48:01] So here's a corny dad joke to help you get over it.

[00:48:05] But um-bum.

[00:48:09] And then now's the time of the show

[00:48:10] where we do a dad joke.

[00:48:12] Oh boy.

[00:48:14] Oh boy.

[00:48:15] I feel like I've done that one before.

[00:48:18] Now I'm getting to the point where I'm paranoid

[00:48:21] that all right, how does a cucumber become a pickle?

[00:48:29] It goes through a jarring experience.

[00:48:34] My goodness.

[00:48:36] All right, thanks.

[00:48:37] That is beautiful.

[00:48:38] Can you learn Lancet 365 days of dad jokes.

[00:48:41] Joke is jarring.

[00:48:44] So bad, but so good.

[00:48:45] It is jarring humor.

[00:48:48] Jarring humor here.

[00:48:49] So all right, Stomp.

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[00:49:45] Looking forward to it.

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[00:50:05] Oh, nice.

[00:50:07] Yeah, looks great.

[00:50:08] The colors are still really amazing.

[00:50:10] I'm so glad the color selection has been so cool and unique.

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[00:50:25] It's a nice way to support the website.

[00:50:27] The website.

[00:50:28] Oh my God, my brain's all over the place.

[00:50:29] I've been hiking too much.

[00:50:30] I'm starting to get,

[00:50:31] I need some electrolytes or something.

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[00:50:39] and she says that she's been listening for a while

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[00:50:44] Thank you very much, Nancy.

[00:50:45] Much appreciated.

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[00:50:47] Yeah, that's great.

[00:50:55] Hey, what's that sound?

[00:50:57] It must be time for the pop culture segment

[00:51:00] with Mike and Stomp.

[00:51:04] What else here?

[00:51:10] So, oh Stomp, I missed the pop culture thing with the cat.

[00:51:14] So Ross, the adventure cat you want to talk about?

[00:51:15] What is this?

[00:51:17] Oh, I thought you were skipping it for time

[00:51:18] but Ross, I just discovered Ross yesterday.

[00:51:21] It's a cat who the owners have put a like a GoPro live

[00:51:27] camera on its neck and will they will live stream

[00:51:31] this kitty roaming around the neighborhood

[00:51:33] for four hours straight?

[00:51:36] And it is the, it's actually really funny.

[00:51:38] At first Mrs Stomp was like, that's stupid.

[00:51:40] Then we sat down and watched it

[00:51:41] and it's unbelievable what this cat gets into,

[00:51:44] what they do, the routines, you know,

[00:51:46] climbing high places and you think the cat's gonna die

[00:51:50] but it lands perfectly.

[00:51:51] It's actually really interesting.

[00:51:53] So Ross, the adventure cat on YouTube.

[00:51:56] So funny.

[00:51:57] Oh, it's amazing.

[00:51:58] It's so cool.

[00:51:59] I just see the whiskers and the two front feet

[00:52:01] as this cat just roams and terrorizes the neighborhood.

[00:52:05] Wicked cool.

[00:52:07] I went out to take my trash out tonight

[00:52:09] and there was a cat in my like,

[00:52:11] in the entrance of my shed.

[00:52:15] Oh really?

[00:52:16] I said hello cat and it said hello Mike

[00:52:18] and then I let me pet it and then it ran away.

[00:52:21] Yeah.

[00:52:24] I would run away from you too if I was a cat.

[00:52:28] I don't play it.

[00:52:29] This was not an adventure cat.

[00:52:30] This was like, I'm getting out of here cat.

[00:52:34] All right and then pop culture, I'm watching Fallout.

[00:52:36] I highly recommend it on Amazon.

[00:52:38] So if you're interested, check it out.

[00:52:39] It's like a, it's based on a video game

[00:52:42] but I like it.

[00:52:42] It's sort of like, remember that show we were into

[00:52:45] from HBO with a post-apocalyptic show

[00:52:47] with the girl and the guy?

[00:52:49] It's kind of like that.

[00:52:51] Yeah, I finished it actually.

[00:52:53] I love it.

[00:52:54] It was really good.

[00:52:56] It's one of those.

[00:52:57] I haven't finished yet.

[00:52:58] It's one of those things.

[00:52:59] I won't do any spoilers but it starts,

[00:53:01] it's like reverse engineered.

[00:53:03] It starts so crazy and chaotic

[00:53:06] and then it all makes sense at the end.

[00:53:08] It's awesome.

[00:53:10] Super cool stuff.

[00:53:12] Fallout on Amazon.

[00:53:18] I knew we should have gone left back there.

[00:53:20] Stop, don't worry.

[00:53:22] I know it's this way.

[00:53:23] I've got a feeling in my gut.

[00:53:25] Are you sure you're not about to have a bowel emergency?

[00:53:29] Totally. We got this.

[00:53:30] But I just blew out my hip.

[00:53:32] Fell down that gully with my 40 year old microspikes.

[00:53:35] Suck it up, Stomp.

[00:53:37] It's 4 p.m.

[00:53:38] We're at 3,500 feet.

[00:53:39] We got nine miles back to the parking lot.

[00:53:42] Your leg may be broken.

[00:53:43] We got no cell connection and we can't feel our fingers

[00:53:46] but we're finishing all of my list tonight.

[00:53:49] By the way, I need some water.

[00:53:50] I'm empty.

[00:53:51] I would if I could see what I'm doing

[00:53:53] but my headlamp batteries are dead.

[00:53:55] You gotta be kidding me.

[00:53:56] What a chump.

[00:53:57] This is the last time I hike with you.

[00:54:00] Whatever, mister.

[00:54:01] Do you know me?

[00:54:02] I have a podcast.

[00:54:04] Whatever.

[00:54:08] Let's find out what Mike and Stomp have been hiking.

[00:54:15] All right, Stomp.

[00:54:15] So this is the part of the show

[00:54:16] where we do recent hikes

[00:54:18] and I have nothing

[00:54:19] because I had to go the AMC thing

[00:54:21] on Saturday and then I forget what I,

[00:54:25] oh, I do y'all work on Sunday.

[00:54:27] So my lawn looks fantastic

[00:54:29] but I had to spend the whole day doing it.

[00:54:30] I am going up to Maine on Saturday

[00:54:32] and I'm the AM going to the Bell Naps on Sunday.

[00:54:35] So... Excellent.

[00:54:37] I'll be out there

[00:54:38] but you on the other hand have been doing

[00:54:40] all of the heavy lifting for us.

[00:54:41] So we've got...

[00:54:42] Well, sticky.

[00:54:43] We've got Black Mountain

[00:54:45] and we've got the Holt Trail up Cardigan.

[00:54:49] Up Cardigan ago.

[00:54:51] Why don't you run down what you've been up to?

[00:54:53] Yeah, I think I'll spend most of the time on Holt

[00:54:56] but today I did Dickey Welch.

[00:55:00] So I did Welch Dickey clockwise

[00:55:03] and that's my favorite way to do it.

[00:55:04] When it's dry, it's nice and safe.

[00:55:07] There wasn't a soul in sight.

[00:55:10] Well, except for the 17 person AMC group

[00:55:13] that was coming down Welch into the call

[00:55:16] but beyond that, there wasn't a soul in sight.

[00:55:21] Oh, it's such a great time of the year to hike.

[00:55:23] It's my favorite.

[00:55:24] The bugs aren't here.

[00:55:25] It's still super cool in the mornings.

[00:55:27] It was just a beautiful little hike.

[00:55:31] I also did Black Mountain a couple days back

[00:55:33] and I went up the Chippewa Trail.

[00:55:35] I skipped the Lime Kins.

[00:55:38] This was after work

[00:55:39] so I just decided to zip up and see the view.

[00:55:43] Such a great hike.

[00:55:44] Oh yeah, Black Mountain's beautiful.

[00:55:46] It's steep as ever.

[00:55:48] Dry as a bone.

[00:55:49] There's no ice anywhere really

[00:55:50] except for maybe a patch or two up at the top.

[00:55:54] And it was just wonderful.

[00:55:55] I met this YouTuber who will give you the link for it.

[00:55:59] She was actually filming and doing all kinds of stuff.

[00:56:01] She was looking for a campsite.

[00:56:02] Her name is Rachel

[00:56:04] and she has a site called Rachel White Mountain

[00:56:07] and I have since watched a few of her videos

[00:56:10] and they're really nice.

[00:56:11] She uses one of those DSLR cameras

[00:56:13] as opposed to her phone.

[00:56:15] So the quality of the videos is mint

[00:56:17] and she'll actually go into cooking

[00:56:20] and recording her meal

[00:56:21] and she uses actual real food for the meals.

[00:56:27] I mean, the meals are incredible

[00:56:29] as opposed to just the packets that you put water in.

[00:56:32] So yeah, good stuff.

[00:56:33] So that was fun.

[00:56:34] And I don't know what all the rules are

[00:56:35] around camping up there

[00:56:36] but I do know that like below the ledges

[00:56:42] there's like a couple of spots

[00:56:43] there's like a fire ring and some other spots.

[00:56:45] Like I've seen, I've never camped out there

[00:56:48] so I don't really know the deal

[00:56:49] with the options for backpacking

[00:56:51] but it's a great mountain.

[00:56:53] Yeah, beautiful.

[00:56:54] Yeah.

[00:56:55] And then of course there's Sugar Bush

[00:56:57] which is a small little knob

[00:56:59] just to the south of Black Mountain

[00:57:01] which is accessible by Bushwack or an abandoned trail.

[00:57:04] So if anybody's up for an adventure check that one out.

[00:57:08] So good stuff.

[00:57:09] The lime kilns too

[00:57:10] if you wanna look into some history in that area

[00:57:12] it's beautiful.

[00:57:13] Those things are fascinating.

[00:57:15] They're so like unbelievable to think

[00:57:17] that somebody built those

[00:57:19] it looks like a giant pizza oven

[00:57:20] but it's just crazy

[00:57:23] that something that large exists.

[00:57:26] Right, right.

[00:57:27] And then of course the big enchilada

[00:57:30] I hit the whole trail

[00:57:33] which I guess, you know

[00:57:34] we had a boreal badass do it recently Xbox

[00:57:39] and beat me to the punch

[00:57:42] and I'm like, damn it

[00:57:43] I gotta get out there.

[00:57:44] So I did have a half day

[00:57:44] and I went out pretty early

[00:57:47] and got a jump on it.

[00:57:48] It was a 60 degree day.

[00:57:50] I mean this trail

[00:57:51] they do call it a double black diamond hiking trail

[00:57:55] which is interesting

[00:57:56] and I did a lot of research behind it

[00:57:58] and if you were to rate it

[00:58:00] under one of these climbing scales

[00:58:04] you know for instance the Yosemite Decimal System

[00:58:06] they rate it as a class three

[00:58:07] which is characterized by scrambling

[00:58:10] necessary hand holds

[00:58:12] and falls that could easily be fatal

[00:58:15] and that's accurate.

[00:58:16] I think two locations

[00:58:20] would put you in that situation.

[00:58:23] So I did take some notes.

[00:58:25] Have you two done the trail?

[00:58:28] I have not done the whole trail.

[00:58:29] I've done, I did the loop

[00:58:31] matter of fact I prefer

[00:58:34] to go like the full loop

[00:58:35] and go over fire screw

[00:58:37] and then back down

[00:58:39] and then I think at the end

[00:58:40] you do connect to the whole trail at the bottom

[00:58:43] but I haven't gone straight down

[00:58:45] or straight up that

[00:58:47] so you basically when you do the whole trail

[00:58:49] you're taking the most direct route to the summit.

[00:58:52] I just prefer that like fire screw

[00:58:54] and doing that like long loop

[00:58:56] because you're above tree line

[00:58:58] like for such a long distance it's so cool

[00:59:00] but I definitely would be interested

[00:59:02] in doing hold in the future

[00:59:03] especially for a quicker hike.

[00:59:05] Yeah, I'm planning on doing the fire screw

[00:59:08] and manning with Mrs. Stomp as an out and back

[00:59:11] but I came down that.

[00:59:13] So that was impressive

[00:59:15] but I did take a couple notes.

[00:59:19] It's a beautiful start.

[00:59:20] First of all, the cardigan hut is amazing.

[00:59:22] It's just like this gigantic four level home

[00:59:26] and the facilities were fantastic.

[00:59:29] They were dealing with some power outage when I arrived

[00:59:32] but there's plenty of parking.

[00:59:33] I can see how it would be packed

[00:59:35] because the lower mile, mile and a half

[00:59:37] of these trails

[00:59:39] there was just camping sites everywhere

[00:59:41] and multiple trails that spur off of a primary trail

[00:59:46] that is handicap accessible.

[00:59:48] So the whole area is just beautiful.

[00:59:50] Getting there was stunning.

[00:59:52] I've always gone to the other side of cardigan

[00:59:55] which is the western side

[00:59:56] which you get to by route 25

[00:59:59] and it takes forever to get to

[01:00:00] but this side I'm shocked,

[01:00:02] I haven't done it earlier.

[01:00:03] It was absolutely beautiful

[01:00:04] coming around the southern end of Newfound Lake

[01:00:08] and approaching it that way.

[01:00:09] So I'm very impressed.

[01:00:10] The whole area is just beautiful.

[01:00:13] So yeah, the trail starts off pretty flat.

[01:00:16] It was very dry

[01:00:18] and the whole trail starts in about 0.3 miles in or so

[01:00:22] and you're essentially following a brook

[01:00:26] most of the way up until it starts getting steeper.

[01:00:29] You come to this grand junction

[01:00:30] where the infamous sign is

[01:00:32] and Lynn I want to thank you

[01:00:34] for putting together that brief reel

[01:00:37] that came out great

[01:00:38] and I was hoping that would be informative

[01:00:40] for people that are considering doing this

[01:00:42] because you definitely want to do your homework

[01:00:45] and know if you can handle this trail or not.

[01:00:48] It's a very interesting pursuit.

[01:00:50] So at the grand junction sign

[01:00:53] that's where the big warning sign is

[01:00:54] like this is one of the hardest shortest trails

[01:00:56] in the whites, be careful.

[01:00:59] It's sort of intimidating when you read the sign

[01:01:02] and from this point

[01:01:04] it's 1.1 miles to the summit

[01:01:07] and that's at basically 2005 feet or so

[01:01:12] and you continue following the brook

[01:01:15] and then you can start to see

[01:01:16] what I would call the head wall

[01:01:18] but basically the summit of Cardigan itself

[01:01:22] through the trees at the moment.

[01:01:25] At 2,200 feet you're still following the brook

[01:01:27] and I mean it's like this side slope trail

[01:01:31] so you could slip off to the right

[01:01:33] and fall 15 feet for several hundred yards

[01:01:37] especially in the winter.

[01:01:38] At the moment there was a little bit of snow

[01:01:40] but it was mostly mud

[01:01:42] so it was fairly easy to navigate through safely.

[01:01:45] Then you get to the scrambles at about 2,400 feet

[01:01:51] and I call these things commitment moments

[01:01:54] where you either commit and you're committed

[01:01:58] because there's no way you're gonna get back down it

[01:02:01] or you just go through it

[01:02:02] and you have to keep on going up.

[01:02:04] So there was two of those places on this trail

[01:02:07] and the first one is like I said at 2,400 feet.

[01:02:10] It's a large gash in a slab that is probably

[01:02:15] I don't know 30, 40 feet long

[01:02:17] and of course at this time of year it was soaked

[01:02:20] so it was definitely a commitment.

[01:02:23] That's when I got a little bit of jelly legs

[01:02:25] like okay let's go, go past that

[01:02:27] and then it's another maybe 50 yards

[01:02:30] of gully scrambling up more or less like a drainage

[01:02:35] call it a drainage and it abuts a granite slab to the left.

[01:02:40] Lots of multiple routes to get up through this section

[01:02:42] it wasn't too bad.

[01:02:43] I think I was probably following Xbox's footprints.

[01:02:46] He went straight up the snow

[01:02:48] I would assume it was him or somebody

[01:02:51] but I did to just go a little to the right

[01:02:55] and follow where the water was actually falling

[01:02:57] and it was much, much easier and safer.

[01:03:01] Then you get to the ledges.

[01:03:02] The ledges are like Welch Dickie for like maybe half a mile.

[01:03:06] They're beautiful, it was super dry

[01:03:08] and again it's really wide

[01:03:10] so it's easy to avoid some of the sketchier things

[01:03:13] certain gullies.

[01:03:14] So no problem there, a few exposed sections but not bad.

[01:03:19] It's this last pitch that is what we'll put here

[01:03:23] in your chest for sure.

[01:03:25] There was still a good deal of snow there.

[01:03:28] I would say it's probably from the beginning

[01:03:31] at the beginning of this last section

[01:03:32] to the end of the scary sections

[01:03:35] probably 50 yards maybe a little less

[01:03:39] and the degree is probably 60, 70 degree angle

[01:03:43] and it's the same type of thing.

[01:03:47] You're following up a slash in the slab

[01:03:51] and you have to pick your footholds and handholds

[01:03:55] and commit you just gotta grab them and go

[01:03:59] cause once you start that's it, you gotta keep on going.

[01:04:02] Yeah the video reminded me of like

[01:04:04] just that section on Huntington where you do

[01:04:06] you have to do the same thing, you just pick a crack

[01:04:09] and you just follow it up and you just go quick

[01:04:11] and then it's over.

[01:04:14] Correct, yeah I can see in the summer

[01:04:16] it would be a lot more moderate and easier for people

[01:04:20] but right now you've got the snow just draining

[01:04:23] and coming down into this whole section

[01:04:25] so for me currently if you do it when it's wet

[01:04:29] you're gonna be crawling hands and knees to pull this off

[01:04:32] and unlike some other areas the handholds

[01:04:36] weren't as say jagged or obvious

[01:04:40] as you were sending this last section

[01:04:41] so it was a little hairy for sure.

[01:04:45] Once you get past that you're good to go

[01:04:48] but again I think if you did fall on this section

[01:04:51] you'd be in big trouble, it's not a joke.

[01:04:55] So from the year I got to the summit

[01:04:57] and then I took the Mowgli trail

[01:05:00] or Mowgli cut off trail over to fire screw

[01:05:04] and then down Manning and that was just an absolute joy.

[01:05:08] There was a little bit of snow on the northwest side

[01:05:10] of Manning as you come off a fire screw

[01:05:14] and that lasted maybe a couple hundred yards

[01:05:16] and then it was just pure dry woods.

[01:05:19] So it was a really great experience,

[01:05:21] glad I got it done and put it to bed.

[01:05:24] I would do it again on a heartbeat

[01:05:25] but I would definitely look for dry weather.

[01:05:28] So yeah takeaways, I think it's like a well sticky

[01:05:32] on steroids to be honest with you.

[01:05:36] I think that's a good description.

[01:05:37] Yeah, for sure.

[01:05:39] A couple here commitment zones

[01:05:42] and I think they're not too bad.

[01:05:46] Let's see, I had already mentioned

[01:05:49] that the eastern side is a beautiful approach

[01:05:51] to cardigan and that's gonna be my go-to.

[01:05:54] So yeah, great time.

[01:05:56] That's all I got.

[01:05:57] Well, Stomp, I appreciate you doing all that hard work

[01:06:00] for us to do all that hiking.

[01:06:03] So what got into you that you've been

[01:06:07] so prolific hiking all of a sudden?

[01:06:09] I mean no offense, like you haven't really

[01:06:11] been out that much.

[01:06:12] To be very honest with you,

[01:06:13] it's the qualifying season for search and rescue

[01:06:15] and I just don't wanna get smoked by all the applicants.

[01:06:20] All right, I knew something was up.

[01:06:24] And I've been feeling good

[01:06:25] and the second reason is my right knee

[01:06:28] was starting to get really aggravated by running

[01:06:31] and three or four of these hikes

[01:06:33] and my right knee's not bugging me at all anymore.

[01:06:37] Go figure.

[01:06:39] Yeah, so.

[01:06:40] So Stomp, I have a question.

[01:06:42] Sure.

[01:06:44] So when you came across the AMC group on your hike,

[01:06:47] A, did they know you were the slasher host

[01:06:50] or B, did you do what Mike does and ask everybody,

[01:06:54] hey, do you know about this podcast that I run?

[01:06:57] Neither.

[01:06:58] I kept my mouth shut and they just passed.

[01:07:00] They were really nice

[01:07:01] because they were coming down from Welch into that call

[01:07:05] and I could have done the etiquette thing

[01:07:08] and just gone first

[01:07:09] and they were very attentive

[01:07:11] and aware of that small little point

[01:07:14] that when you're going uphill, you have the right away.

[01:07:17] But I was just like shocked

[01:07:19] that so many people were coming down into the call.

[01:07:21] So I was just watching an enjoyment,

[01:07:23] just like, wow, 17 people.

[01:07:28] That's a crew.

[01:07:29] Yeah.

[01:07:30] Wow.

[01:07:31] Heck yeah.

[01:07:31] You gotta bring stickers with you.

[01:07:32] Oh yeah, yeah.

[01:07:34] Yeah, but I did not pull a mic.

[01:07:35] No.

[01:07:37] I understand this is a vicious lie, vicious lie.

[01:07:40] So Lynn, where have you been hiking lately?

[01:07:44] So the couple of times that I came up to New Hampshire recently

[01:07:47] I was able to join Denise Kimball on her grid finish

[01:07:51] which is absolutely nuts.

[01:07:53] I think she was number 170 to finish her grid.

[01:07:57] So that was really exciting.

[01:07:58] We did Garfield with a really great group of people.

[01:08:02] Did she get emotional when she finished?

[01:08:04] You know, I think inside she probably was.

[01:08:08] She's just a ball of sunshine and happiness

[01:08:11] and laughter at all times.

[01:08:12] So she was beaming kind of like she always is

[01:08:15] but just with some extra flair this time.

[01:08:18] Yeah.

[01:08:19] So for the listeners, Denise is,

[01:08:22] if this is the person I'm thinking of,

[01:08:24] so I've run into her a couple of times on trail.

[01:08:26] So she wears like a rainbow colored tutu

[01:08:29] or is that Denise, right?

[01:08:31] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:08:32] Yeah, so I ran into her

[01:08:34] going up Jefferson.

[01:08:39] So, you know, when she was super happy and no one,

[01:08:43] you know, I was climbing up there.

[01:08:45] So I wasn't super happy.

[01:08:46] Even then I saw her on Adams I think with little foot

[01:08:50] and that whole crew.

[01:08:51] So it's great person.

[01:08:53] So congratulations to her for finishing the grid.

[01:08:55] And it was a big crowd, you said Lynn?

[01:08:58] Yeah, it was a good size crowd.

[01:08:59] You know, it eventually ended up in kind of

[01:09:01] two little groups.

[01:09:02] You know, you kind of always have like a group A and a group B

[01:09:04] and I'm always a group B hiker.

[01:09:07] But, you know, she was so good.

[01:09:10] She would kind of travel between both groups.

[01:09:12] And as a surprise, you know, little foot was with us.

[01:09:15] And so it was just giggles and laughter

[01:09:17] and just entirely too much fun the whole time.

[01:09:20] It was great.

[01:09:21] Oh, nice.

[01:09:22] And what else?

[01:09:24] So speaking of little foot,

[01:09:26] I was able to join their team

[01:09:28] for their first Scarlett's winter 48 finish

[01:09:32] so she's done all of her 48s in winter,

[01:09:35] which is just absolutely incredible.

[01:09:38] And I was proud I earned my team little foot shirt

[01:09:41] so I proudly wear my purple shirt when I can now.

[01:09:44] Yeah.

[01:09:45] That's awesome.

[01:09:46] Listen to this little foot is Scarlett.

[01:09:47] So she's a younger hiker that we talk about

[01:09:49] occasionally here.

[01:09:50] So matter of fact, we're gonna,

[01:09:51] we're gonna, she's gonna talk later on the show.

[01:09:53] So we have like five minutes with her at the AMC award.

[01:09:57] So we'll have her on in a few minutes.

[01:10:00] Awesome.

[01:10:01] You know, I also just wanna congratulate.

[01:10:03] I know Chase Hall has his grid finish coming up

[01:10:06] this weekend.

[01:10:07] So it's actually tomorrow, which would be Saturday.

[01:10:09] So congratulations in advance on that Chase.

[01:10:13] Really proud of you.

[01:10:14] Congrats to everybody.

[01:10:16] Congrats to everybody.

[01:10:18] Yeah.

[01:10:19] And then you get an out on Earth Day weekend.

[01:10:24] Do you mean last weekend?

[01:10:25] Oh, was it last weekend?

[01:10:27] So yeah, technically it was,

[01:10:29] but this coming weekend in previous years

[01:10:32] I've attended an Earth Day festival

[01:10:35] in Bar Campstead, Connecticut.

[01:10:36] And two friends and I, my friend Kristen and Trish,

[01:10:39] we backpacked the Tungces Trail into the fairground,

[01:10:43] you know, where they have the fair at the pavilion.

[01:10:46] And then we set up our gear as if we were at camp

[01:10:49] and then people can come through

[01:10:50] and take a look at our tent or sleeping bag

[01:10:52] or stove setup, ask questions

[01:10:54] and we give a little talk as well.

[01:10:55] So that's this weekend.

[01:10:58] Awesome.

[01:10:59] Well, that sounds good.

[01:11:00] Stop this is normally what we do notable hikes,

[01:11:03] but let's skip that.

[01:11:04] We'll do it next week

[01:11:04] and we'll move into the AMC awards segment here.

[01:11:10] That's cool.

[01:11:10] Sounds good.

[01:11:12] Okay.

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[01:12:45] All right, so we were at the AMC annual meeting awards

[01:13:03] and dinner last week.

[01:13:05] So we want to do a short segment on this.

[01:13:07] So just to give people an understanding.

[01:13:10] So if you're pursuing the 4000 footers

[01:13:11] or any of these other lists on an annual basis,

[01:13:15] you can attend this awards meeting.

[01:13:18] So I think you have to put in for your list award

[01:13:23] sometime during the year.

[01:13:24] And I think there's a cut off, I'm guessing,

[01:13:26] like probably like if you haven't put it in by

[01:13:28] like the beginning of March or something,

[01:13:30] then generally that'll be, that's sort of the cut off.

[01:13:35] But the award ceremony was on Saturday, April 20th.

[01:13:39] And it starts around four o'clock technically

[01:13:43] and essentially you've got a,

[01:13:47] you've got the vendors that are there.

[01:13:49] So there's like, there was probably like 10 or 12 vendors.

[01:13:53] And then you've got a dinner,

[01:13:55] you've got an award ceremony outside for any dogs

[01:13:58] that have completed the 4000 footer list

[01:14:00] or any of the other lists that are available.

[01:14:03] And then you've got a presentation,

[01:14:06] you've got a couple of safety presentations

[01:14:08] in hiking informational presentations.

[01:14:10] And then the dinner and then the award ceremony,

[01:14:14] I think starts at like 6.30

[01:14:16] and goes to about eight o'clock.

[01:14:17] And then there's like a slide show

[01:14:19] so people can submit pictures or video

[01:14:21] or whatever of their hikes.

[01:14:23] So it's a really cool event.

[01:14:28] There was a big crowd there.

[01:14:29] I was really impressed with that.

[01:14:31] And just so people are with a list

[01:14:33] that are recognized are the 4000 footer lists.

[01:14:38] So you've got the regular one,

[01:14:40] which means you do it anytime.

[01:14:41] Then you've got the winter season one

[01:14:44] and then you've got a four season one,

[01:14:45] which is essentially like gritting, but in the seasons.

[01:14:49] So you've got that.

[01:14:51] And in fact, I may try that one.

[01:14:53] And then there is the New England 4000 footer

[01:14:57] so you can submit for a regular one or a winter one.

[01:15:01] There's the New England 100 highest

[01:15:04] so you can do the regular or the winter for that.

[01:15:06] And then there's the Northeast 111,

[01:15:08] which is the regular or winter.

[01:15:10] In order to qualify for approval,

[01:15:13] you have to send in an essay

[01:15:15] and then fill out an application form

[01:15:17] which includes the list of dates.

[01:15:19] And then people ask me this occasionally,

[01:15:22] they will check.

[01:15:23] So if they have a question on a date

[01:15:26] or things like that, like they reached out to me

[01:15:28] and actually asked me to clarify

[01:15:29] because I had done moose lock

[01:15:31] and to come on the same day

[01:15:33] and I had to explain to them.

[01:15:34] I did one in the morning and then one in the afternoon.

[01:15:36] So they will check on that sometimes, but...

[01:15:39] Oh for sure.

[01:15:41] Yeah, they mean business.

[01:15:43] Yeah, yeah, so then I'm messing around.

[01:15:45] I talked to a lot of people that came up to the table.

[01:15:48] A lot of people were aware of the podcast.

[01:15:50] Some people weren't.

[01:15:51] I asked everyone basically the same question is,

[01:15:54] what made you wanna hike the 4000 footers

[01:15:57] and then where did you finish?

[01:15:59] And the interesting thing, Stomp,

[01:16:01] was that most of the people I asked

[01:16:03] what summit they finished on,

[01:16:05] I think five or six said the Kerrigane.

[01:16:08] So there's a lot of people that finish on Kerrigane.

[01:16:11] Absolutely, that's always a favorite.

[01:16:14] It's a good call cause it's just so remote

[01:16:16] and the view is unbelievable.

[01:16:18] Yeah, the view is great.

[01:16:19] I mean for me, I'm just,

[01:16:21] I always get nervous just because

[01:16:23] I've just gotten blocked from views there a couple of times.

[01:16:26] Oh, just inclement weather.

[01:16:29] Yeah, you just gotta get a picky moment.

[01:16:31] I mean, I usually will get a view on Signal Ridge,

[01:16:33] but then I get up to the platform

[01:16:35] and I just haven't had a lot of luck with views.

[01:16:38] Yeah, and it's serious miles too.

[01:16:40] It's a good one.

[01:16:41] Yeah, that was a good time.

[01:16:44] Yeah, so that was good.

[01:16:45] I just don't remember Stomp all the vendors.

[01:16:46] I can't remember everybody that was like,

[01:16:48] Baxter State Park was next to us.

[01:16:49] I immediately went up to the ranger

[01:16:51] and I was like, can I get a reservation?

[01:16:52] She laughed at me.

[01:16:54] Yeah, definitely.

[01:16:55] She was like, yeah, you and everybody else.

[01:16:57] And I was like, yeah, but I know somebody personally

[01:16:59] and she's like, no, you don't.

[01:17:02] She's telling you had a podcast though.

[01:17:03] Well, she knew where she was sitting next to us.

[01:17:08] Yeah, there was Philip Kasha was there, Keith Jattel-Tilly.

[01:17:11] He was there with the notch hostel.

[01:17:13] Oh yeah, notch was there.

[01:17:15] Yeah.

[01:17:16] And Sherpa Ant was there too.

[01:17:17] Oh, Sherpa Ant, yeah.

[01:17:20] She came over and said hi towards the end.

[01:17:22] That was nice.

[01:17:23] Of course, Steve Smith was there.

[01:17:26] The legend, the Gandalf of the Whites.

[01:17:29] So it was a great time.

[01:17:31] Great thanks to the AMC staff, Michelle, Corey.

[01:17:34] They were all fantastic, all of you.

[01:17:37] And we felt really welcomed

[01:17:39] and we're taking care of very well.

[01:17:43] So great time.

[01:17:45] Yeah, excellent.

[01:17:45] So okay, so then why don't we dump into,

[01:17:50] we got about 20 minutes worth of discussion here.

[01:17:52] We've got people just sort of talking

[01:17:54] about their 4,000 footer journey

[01:17:56] and we'll give a little bit of a highlight from the event

[01:17:59] and then we'll come back out and wrap it up.

[01:18:02] But before we do that, I guess before we dump in,

[01:18:04] Stomp, do you want to tee it up

[01:18:05] and give a summary on who we talk to?

[01:18:07] Yeah, it was funny.

[01:18:08] So I set up early and I had two microphones

[01:18:11] for Mike and myself and I set them up

[01:18:14] so that listeners or anybody could chat

[01:18:17] and a lot of the listeners got a little nerved up by-

[01:18:20] Yeah, the whips.

[01:18:21] Yeah, they were like, no,

[01:18:23] I'm not going to talk into those things.

[01:18:24] It was really funny.

[01:18:26] So that was surprising,

[01:18:27] but we did out of three or four hours,

[01:18:29] we got about maybe 20, 25 minutes

[01:18:32] of actually good information here.

[01:18:34] So we have listener Tyler,

[01:18:37] we have some stuff from Jack Daly.

[01:18:39] Madeline from the AMC will talk to us about a new app

[01:18:43] that they're making little footstops by

[01:18:45] at one moment in this clip and you're going to love it.

[01:18:49] She's so adorable.

[01:18:50] And then Joanne Hall stops by

[01:18:54] and then we have Keith Gentilly as well

[01:18:57] stopping by to talk about his experience.

[01:19:00] So enjoy.

[01:19:03] Diddly-loo, diddly-loo, diddly-loo.

[01:19:04] Diddly-loo, diddly-loo, diddly-loo.

[01:19:10] Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[01:19:12] All right.

[01:19:13] Hey, hey.

[01:19:17] Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[01:19:19] Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[01:19:25] Cool.

[01:19:27] This is Stomp.

[01:19:28] It's like quarter of three,

[01:19:31] waiting for Mike to arrive here at the AMC Awards

[01:19:34] and all the vendors are getting set up.

[01:19:36] It's a pretty cool scene so far.

[01:19:39] It's going to be a great time.

[01:19:45] Hey, hey, hey.

[01:19:46] All right.

[01:19:47] So let's see it's quarter past three.

[01:19:51] Mike just arrived and it's starting to get busy.

[01:19:54] People starting to come in.

[01:19:55] We've got AMC here,

[01:19:56] bunch of vendors, US Sherpa across the way,

[01:20:01] Cloud on a Mountain with incredible stickers

[01:20:05] and Phil Kosh is here, Keith Gentilly.

[01:20:08] So it's going to be a really great night.

[01:20:09] And of course, the Gandalf of the Whites.

[01:20:13] Don't eat headphones.

[01:20:15] It's all good.

[01:20:16] No, we're all good.

[01:20:17] I feel like if I can't hear the headphones

[01:20:18] and I'm not actually talking.

[01:20:22] Yeah, I know.

[01:20:24] It's getting you.

[01:20:25] We are good, we're alive.

[01:20:27] So what is the plan, Stomper?

[01:20:30] Are we going to just like randomly interview people

[01:20:32] as they come up to the table?

[01:20:33] Because my thought was that I would ask everybody

[01:20:35] what inspired you to hike the 4,000 footers

[01:20:38] and tell me your story in one minute or less.

[01:20:40] Yeah, that sounds great.

[01:20:41] That's a good idea.

[01:20:41] Okay.

[01:20:42] You want to drop an intro?

[01:20:45] We can do that.

[01:20:45] We can do the wrap around afterwards.

[01:20:47] So yeah, it's going to be great.

[01:20:50] So yeah, I saw Keith a little bit ago.

[01:20:52] He was here.

[01:20:54] Hey guys, how are you?

[01:20:55] Good, how are you?

[01:20:56] Good, thanks for being here.

[01:20:57] Appreciate it.

[01:20:58] You bet.

[01:21:00] It's not when you get it here.

[01:21:02] I mean, I think we're going to get it.

[01:21:03] Wow.

[01:21:05] Maybe I'll get it out again.

[01:21:06] I have to do the indoor stuff in the train.

[01:21:09] Well, I have a spin bike too.

[01:21:10] Which I gotta get back into using that.

[01:21:14] So, yeah.

[01:21:16] Oh my God.

[01:21:17] Little Foot just came into the building.

[01:21:20] What are we going to do?

[01:21:21] Jack, are you here to see Little Foot?

[01:21:24] Sorry?

[01:21:25] Are you here to see Little Foot?

[01:21:26] Oh absolutely, we're in their shirt.

[01:21:29] We have Jack Daly here.

[01:21:30] He's here early just to see the star of the show,

[01:21:33] Little Foot.

[01:21:35] They asked me to help them hike up

[01:21:37] Tri-Curbid slide.

[01:21:39] Because I love slides, right?

[01:21:40] And I like that one probably more than me.

[01:21:42] Every metal store.

[01:21:44] Gingerbeard Keen is here.

[01:21:48] No, I saw that, can't it?

[01:21:49] Yeah, come back.

[01:21:52] We have a bunch of people that are not willing to talk

[01:21:55] into the microphone at the moment.

[01:21:57] A little...

[01:21:58] A little nervous about it.

[01:21:59] Something happened.

[01:22:01] Nobody was showing us what he's doing.

[01:22:03] I heard a person with a bare voice

[01:22:05] but this face that I don't know.

[01:22:07] It's like, it's very disconcerting.

[01:22:10] It's very underwhelming.

[01:22:11] Yeah!

[01:22:12] He was like, yes.

[01:22:15] Oh yes.

[01:22:17] The phone.

[01:22:18] Now it's a guy personally.

[01:22:19] Right, right, right.

[01:22:21] Oh yeah, it's a guy.

[01:22:22] Yeah, real pressure to do one more time.

[01:22:25] Yeah.

[01:22:26] It's very, very interesting.

[01:22:27] What's his name?

[01:22:28] Oh, nice.

[01:22:29] I know, they're right.

[01:22:30] Oh, really?

[01:22:31] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:22:32] Sure.

[01:22:33] No, no.

[01:22:34] What is your name again?

[01:22:35] Tyler.

[01:22:35] Tyler.

[01:22:36] Are you ready, Tyler?

[01:22:38] Oh, we have somebody that wants to talk.

[01:22:40] Oh, they are prepared.

[01:22:42] Did you put notes together?

[01:22:43] Yeah.

[01:22:44] All right.

[01:22:46] All right, so Tyler, the question is,

[01:22:49] what inspired you to hike the 4,000 footers?

[01:22:53] Oh, I have no idea what inspired me.

[01:22:54] I just got out there and really loved it.

[01:22:57] The experience for me, it's been 13 years essentially

[01:23:00] in my whole adult life.

[01:23:01] I did the first one when I was 18.

[01:23:04] Yeah, it was just an incredible experience.

[01:23:07] Tons of memories with friends and solo Johnts

[01:23:11] and one of the best memories I have of doing it

[01:23:15] was descending Twinway Trail to Galehead Hut.

[01:23:21] Well, let me interrupt you there for a second

[01:23:23] because nobody has good memories at Twinway,

[01:23:25] but I'll let you continue.

[01:23:26] Yeah, so my phenomenal memory of Twinway was a half Pemmy

[01:23:31] and I was going down towards Galehead Hut

[01:23:32] and it was about sunset and I was looking out

[01:23:35] and I could see Camelshump back lit

[01:23:37] by this amazing pink sunset

[01:23:39] and I'd done Camelshump like a dozen or so times

[01:23:41] in back country skied next to it in college all the time

[01:23:44] and looking out 100 miles across this beautiful land

[01:23:49] was a great experience.

[01:23:52] I remember describing the air on top of Kerrigan

[01:23:57] and looking into the Pemmy as where the air smells

[01:23:59] like God, yeah, it's just an amazing time out there.

[01:24:03] Yeah, that area there in particular by the Twinway

[01:24:09] especially if you're up there for sunset,

[01:24:10] it's just unbelievable.

[01:24:13] It's wonderful spending time above 4,000 feet,

[01:24:15] especially all day if you can.

[01:24:17] Yeah, well congratulations and are you gonna continue on?

[01:24:20] You gonna do the Winter 4,000 footer?

[01:24:22] Yeah, I wanna do the Winter 48

[01:24:24] and then work on the New England 67

[01:24:26] or the Northeast 67

[01:24:27] and thanks to Mike and Stop for such great podcast.

[01:24:30] All right, well you come back

[01:24:31] when you finish the next list.

[01:24:35] Hi.

[01:24:39] I was on the radio actually yesterday.

[01:24:43] I remember, I remember.

[01:24:46] No, it was very good, it was very good.

[01:24:47] No, I liked it.

[01:24:48] Yeah.

[01:24:49] I'm very good.

[01:24:51] We just talked right now.

[01:24:52] Oh boy, we just had listeners come by

[01:24:53] that said that they're captives listening to the podcast.

[01:25:00] Did you wanna say anything about that?

[01:25:02] This will be on next week's episode.

[01:25:05] I love your show, thank you.

[01:25:08] That's better.

[01:25:10] Appreciate it.

[01:25:13] I have to get this one by myself.

[01:25:15] She's a really big, big fan.

[01:25:18] Really is.

[01:25:18] Going by the time.

[01:25:19] Right?

[01:25:20] I thought that was me.

[01:25:22] All right.

[01:25:27] I see you.

[01:25:30] So I wanted to tell you,

[01:25:32] I tried to talk to Steve Smith

[01:25:34] about getting you in behind the scenes

[01:25:36] to get you on stage

[01:25:37] and he said, sorry, can't help you.

[01:25:40] Why would I wanna go?

[01:25:41] To get your award of like,

[01:25:42] did he get the deadline?

[01:25:43] Oh yeah, no, I didn't make the deadline.

[01:25:45] Yeah, he's like, sorry.

[01:25:46] Yeah, yeah.

[01:25:47] I'm gonna come from here.

[01:25:49] Hi, in a couple of minutes,

[01:25:51] Little Foot's presentation is going to begin

[01:25:54] before it's over.

[01:25:55] Thanks guys.

[01:25:56] Little Foot, you're gonna eat your bread.

[01:25:58] Yeah, I wanted to touch that.

[01:26:00] Thanks guys, you need to eat your bread.

[01:26:02] Yeah, my tap.

[01:26:03] It's weird.

[01:26:03] Yeah.

[01:26:05] Oh, that was fun.

[01:26:07] Okay, Ryan and Mountain Ginger.

[01:26:09] Stop them by.

[01:26:10] Well that's Mountain Ginger, okay.

[01:26:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:26:12] She always posts pictures with the dogs.

[01:26:15] Yes.

[01:26:16] Yeah, good people.

[01:26:24] We like your picture.

[01:26:26] No, we do.

[01:26:27] We have to say hi on the microphone first.

[01:26:30] Oh, hello.

[01:26:33] Hi.

[01:26:34] They're asking for a picture.

[01:26:35] Do you want Mike or just me?

[01:26:37] Or both.

[01:26:38] Oh, okay.

[01:26:39] So he went roaming.

[01:26:41] He'll be back in just a moment.

[01:26:42] Okay, I was supposed to go and talk to him.

[01:26:45] Oh yeah.

[01:26:47] And it doesn't bother you at all.

[01:26:49] What's your problem?

[01:26:50] He'd have fun to hide behind.

[01:26:52] Oh, yeah.

[01:26:53] This is an old picture.

[01:26:54] Oh, why does it?

[01:26:55] Totally, what do you like?

[01:26:57] Oh.

[01:26:58] Oh.

[01:26:58] You're having fun.

[01:27:00] Yeah.

[01:27:00] Oh, yeah.

[01:27:01] Yeah, I think he can like this.

[01:27:03] Yeah, right, right.

[01:27:06] Yeah, that's cool.

[01:27:09] Mike's making the pitch.

[01:27:11] I lose.

[01:27:12] Mike's making the pitch.

[01:27:14] It's a shame.

[01:27:14] It's a shame.

[01:27:15] I know.

[01:27:16] I'm heartbroken.

[01:27:17] I really have a problem with that.

[01:27:20] I know a couple years ago.

[01:27:21] Last year, it happened.

[01:27:22] It was all over.

[01:27:23] It was like, people got arrested like,

[01:27:26] like, a few years ago.

[01:27:27] Probably not quite enough to do the test.

[01:27:29] I heard a rumor that you have a podcast.

[01:27:33] I might get to spiel about iNatalist.

[01:27:35] Yeah, do you want to sit out first?

[01:27:37] Yeah, I love it.

[01:27:38] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:27:39] We'd be glad to chat with you.

[01:27:41] So I'm Stomp and we are joined by who?

[01:27:43] Madeleine.

[01:27:44] Madeleine.

[01:27:45] And with that, I'm the Appalachian Mound Club

[01:27:48] and National Park Service Scientist in the Park,

[01:27:50] Ecological Interns.

[01:27:51] So rolls off the tongue.

[01:27:53] We're working on a study that sees

[01:27:57] if the timing of flowering has been changing

[01:27:59] along the Appalachian Trail.

[01:28:00] OK.

[01:28:00] And so we cannot be everywhere along the Appalachian Trail

[01:28:03] all at once.

[01:28:04] So we're asking citizen scientists

[01:28:05] to get involved and add their observations in iNatalist.

[01:28:09] We have target species that we're aiming for,

[01:28:11] that our study has shown that well represent the changes

[01:28:16] in climate that we're seeing.

[01:28:18] But iNatalist is also just a fantastic tool

[01:28:21] for people to use.

[01:28:22] A lot of the work that I'm doing

[01:28:24] focuses on lessening the gap between dedicated science

[01:28:30] professionals in research institutions

[01:28:32] and the public core, the ultimate consumers

[01:28:34] of scientific knowledge.

[01:28:35] So using technology in a positive way in the outdoors

[01:28:39] to make sure that people can get involved in science.

[01:28:43] And a lot of research has shown that citizen scientists

[01:28:46] are actually much better at collecting data

[01:28:48] because dedicated researchers have a preconceived notion

[01:28:51] of what we're going to see outside where citizen

[01:28:54] scientists have sort of much wider eyes

[01:28:57] and are looking much more broadly at what all is happening.

[01:29:00] So we're trying to harness the public

[01:29:02] and get them excited and involved in the research

[01:29:04] that we're doing, and also just research in general.

[01:29:07] OK.

[01:29:07] So you say this has been going on for a couple of years?

[01:29:09] Yeah.

[01:29:10] So our project has been going on for a number of years.

[01:29:12] iNatalist as an app and as an idea

[01:29:15] has been going on for much longer than that.

[01:29:17] It was called Nature's Notebook before that.

[01:29:19] Say it one more time.

[01:29:20] It was called Nature's Notebook.

[01:29:21] OK.

[01:29:22] So Nature's Notebook was part of the National Phonology

[01:29:26] Network.

[01:29:26] OK.

[01:29:27] But yeah, it's something I'm super passionate about,

[01:29:30] science communication and science outreach.

[01:29:32] And I'm really excited to be a part of it.

[01:29:35] OK.

[01:29:35] So what about the app?

[01:29:36] Tell us more about the app itself.

[01:29:38] Yeah.

[01:29:39] So app is actually incredibly well designed

[01:29:41] for an app designed by scientists,

[01:29:44] which isn't always a guarantee.

[01:29:46] But you take photos or videos or audio clips.

[01:29:49] And then from there, you can either say, oh,

[01:29:52] I think I see a stink bug or I think I see a trillium.

[01:29:58] Or you can let it auto populate and say,

[01:30:00] we think you've seen x, y, or z.

[01:30:02] And then you can add some more specific information about if

[01:30:06] this is the flower.

[01:30:07] Is it blooming?

[01:30:08] If it's a bird?

[01:30:09] Is it male or female?

[01:30:10] You can add data like that.

[01:30:11] You don't have to.

[01:30:12] But then the other great thing about iNatalist

[01:30:15] and part of what makes it so accessible

[01:30:17] is if you for any reason can't be getting outside

[01:30:19] into nature, a huge part of iNatalist

[01:30:22] is the community around it.

[01:30:23] So other people will go in and look at your observations

[01:30:26] and agree or disagree with the species that you think

[01:30:29] you've seen, or can add more information to it.

[01:30:32] So you can be in the middle of New York City and apartment

[01:30:36] and not see an interesting plant

[01:30:39] other than those that have been planted by the city

[01:30:42] for years and years and years and still

[01:30:44] be a huge component of science and nature

[01:30:50] as a research concept.

[01:30:52] Yeah, that's amazing.

[01:30:53] So does it strictly involve animals and plants?

[01:30:59] Does it branch out beyond that or just those two categories?

[01:31:01] It's anything.

[01:31:02] Anything.

[01:31:03] Mushrooms, plants, animals.

[01:31:05] It only does living organisms so it doesn't do rocks.

[01:31:08] OK.

[01:31:08] I see.

[01:31:09] Anything between plants and animals, mushrooms,

[01:31:12] which fall somewhere in between.

[01:31:15] But sort of anything alive that you see,

[01:31:17] it does moss and algae and lichen and all of that.

[01:31:23] Well, that's fantastic.

[01:31:24] We'll definitely spread the word.

[01:31:25] So do you want to just tell us the website?

[01:31:27] Are there websites you could direct us to?

[01:31:29] The app is called iNaturalist.

[01:31:31] So that's lowercaseinaturalist.com.

[01:31:36] It is a .com.

[01:31:38] It's most used as an application on your phone.

[01:31:41] So you have a website where you can sort of explore

[01:31:44] all the observations everyone has ever taken.

[01:31:46] It's on all seven continents, which is really cool.

[01:31:48] That sounds amazing.

[01:31:50] And you can filter it and see what all is happening.

[01:31:52] But in terms of you adding your own observations,

[01:31:56] that's happening on your cell device.

[01:31:58] So it's accessible with both Android and Apple devices.

[01:32:02] Wow.

[01:32:02] Well, I'm going to download it when I get service again.

[01:32:05] Perfect.

[01:32:06] Yeah, it's super fun.

[01:32:07] My mom uses it in regarding to see

[01:32:08] what's eating her lettuce.

[01:32:09] So she'll take a photo of whatever bug she finds.

[01:32:11] And it's like, oh, it's a great tool

[01:32:14] because she used to text me all those photos

[01:32:16] and say, what's eating my lettuce?

[01:32:17] And then I would add it to iNaturalist and have it tell me.

[01:32:20] And I've shortcut that system.

[01:32:21] So now she goes to iNaturalist directly.

[01:32:23] Interesting.

[01:32:23] Yeah, a lot of our listeners are hikers predominantly.

[01:32:25] So this will come in really handy.

[01:32:27] Yeah, so I would not give it the confidence

[01:32:30] to tell you what or you should or should not

[01:32:32] eat while you're hiking.

[01:32:33] But short of that, it's fantastic.

[01:32:36] And you don't need service to do it.

[01:32:38] If you take the photo, you can then upload it whenever

[01:32:42] you get back to camp years later.

[01:32:44] If you have photos from years ago that you've taken on your phone

[01:32:47] that has geodata on it, you can upload it

[01:32:50] whenever your heart desires.

[01:32:51] That's amazing.

[01:32:52] Yeah, the only caveat is we do ask

[01:32:54] that you have your location, like it can track your location

[01:32:58] because if we don't know where you've taken the photo,

[01:33:01] it becomes much less useful for us.

[01:33:03] But that's sort of the only caveat we give outside of that.

[01:33:09] It's pretty much use it for whatever you want

[01:33:11] whenever you want it.

[01:33:11] And it's all helpful.

[01:33:13] Excellent.

[01:33:14] Well, thank you for stopping by and telling us.

[01:33:18] And have a great rest of the afternoon.

[01:33:21] And thank you again.

[01:33:22] You as well.

[01:33:22] Thank you so much.

[01:33:23] You bet.

[01:33:26] Oh, really?

[01:33:27] It sounds amazing.

[01:33:28] Yeah, it's just super fun.

[01:33:29] All the matters we get to talk to you.

[01:33:31] I'll be down there.

[01:33:32] Seriously.

[01:33:32] Oh my god.

[01:33:33] I'm so excited.

[01:33:34] Yeah, it's great.

[01:33:35] I am.

[01:33:36] It's the fastest I've ever done.

[01:33:37] I don't know.

[01:33:38] You as well.

[01:33:39] I'm ready.

[01:33:40] Oh yeah.

[01:33:41] So, I'm ready.

[01:33:43] Mike's insulting the patrons here calling them sweaty.

[01:33:48] I see Littlefoot coming.

[01:33:49] I can tell people that are sweaty here.

[01:33:50] So come here, Littlefoot.

[01:33:53] We have Scarlet here.

[01:33:54] Oh my goodness.

[01:33:55] Scarlet, breaking news.

[01:33:57] How did your speech go?

[01:33:59] Were you nervous?

[01:34:02] I was actually super good at it.

[01:34:06] I get that vibe from you.

[01:34:07] So did anybody ask you questions?

[01:34:10] A couple of people.

[01:34:13] Like three or like four?

[01:34:17] Did you tell people about how to stay safe in the mountains?

[01:34:20] So Mimi did most of it and I did like some of it.

[01:34:26] And then do you have a plan on how many stickers you're going to get tonight?

[01:34:31] I have no idea.

[01:34:33] You don't know?

[01:34:34] Yeah.

[01:34:35] Well, congratulations and everybody I think is excited to see you because you're the biggest

[01:34:39] celebrity here besides Stomp.

[01:34:41] Thank you.

[01:34:46] Oh thank you so much.

[01:34:48] I appreciate it.

[01:34:50] Sorry I missed the speech because we had to stay here at the table but they were excited.

[01:34:58] So how many people were listening?

[01:35:00] Way to full.

[01:35:01] Way to full world.

[01:35:02] Really?

[01:35:03] Hello again.

[01:35:04] I think we have things to do.

[01:35:06] So the mics are running if anybody wants to say anything or congratulate the winners.

[01:35:10] Whatever you want to say it's just going to dump into the next episode so feel free.

[01:35:15] Shall we?

[01:35:16] Yeah.

[01:35:17] We should go see by tomorrow.

[01:35:19] Go ahead and talk.

[01:35:21] This is Island Girl.

[01:35:23] Coming to you live from the AMC awards ceremony 2024.

[01:35:27] I'm here with Slasher Podcast and they're just rocking it with all of the award

[01:35:32] winners here.

[01:35:33] We're here for people for their 48's, their 67's, their winter, their four seasons, their

[01:35:37] 100 highest and the star of the show tonight is none other than Little Foot, otherwise

[01:35:44] known as Scarlet who is here tonight to get her winter 48's.

[01:35:49] So congratulations to everybody here and Island Girl, Joanne Hall signing out.

[01:35:55] Over and out.

[01:35:56] Thanks Joanne.

[01:35:57] Yeah there you go.

[01:35:59] My son is starting to show up.

[01:36:04] I'm here with the famous Mr. Stomp.

[01:36:07] Hello.

[01:36:08] It's quite the scene here, huh?

[01:36:12] It is.

[01:36:13] I feel like I'm doing more of the talking than you are when the people come up to

[01:36:17] the table Stomp.

[01:36:18] I'm so shy.

[01:36:19] Wait a minute we got the EMS guy here.

[01:36:23] I think he saw us and he took a hard run.

[01:36:28] He took a hard right to get away from us.

[01:36:31] I think so too.

[01:36:32] I think so.

[01:36:33] So it's been an interesting day.

[01:36:36] Got the chat with Team Little Foot.

[01:36:39] I feel like a total loser when no one comes to the table and there's other people at

[01:36:44] other tables.

[01:36:45] Yeah well.

[01:36:46] I don't like that Stomp.

[01:36:47] I'm not a Sherpa nor are you.

[01:36:52] If we were Sherpas maybe.

[01:36:53] The Sherpa guy gets a lot of traffic.

[01:36:55] He sure does.

[01:36:57] Even the sticker people.

[01:36:58] We have stickers but why not the crowd?

[01:37:01] Their stickers are much better than ours.

[01:37:04] Those stickers are amazing.

[01:37:08] I guess we should put these mics down now and socialize.

[01:37:13] Hello.

[01:37:15] Hi.

[01:37:16] I'm Keith Gentilly.

[01:37:18] Hi.

[01:37:19] Not too late.

[01:37:21] Alright.

[01:37:22] Hey Keith, how are you?

[01:37:24] Keith Gentilly here?

[01:37:25] Yeah you want to take a seat?

[01:37:26] No no I'm good.

[01:37:27] So what's happening?

[01:37:28] I'm here like you.

[01:37:30] AMC Awards.

[01:37:32] It's very exciting.

[01:37:34] Fantastic.

[01:37:35] Talking to book readers, book buyers, tire kickers of course.

[01:37:39] But it's a thrill to be here.

[01:37:42] It's a thrill to be at your booth.

[01:37:44] This is super cool.

[01:37:45] So we have new stickers.

[01:37:46] We're selling the old Valcluse gear.

[01:37:48] Did you ever look into one of these things?

[01:37:50] I don't think I did.

[01:37:51] I've seen them on your site though.

[01:37:52] I've seen them.

[01:37:53] Very cool.

[01:37:54] And some of those, has the book been selling?

[01:37:56] Yes.

[01:37:57] Excellent.

[01:37:58] Book is good.

[01:37:59] I mean, when I first did your show you guys were like a little young engine that can.

[01:38:03] Here comes this podcast.

[01:38:05] Now you're like ESPN.

[01:38:07] You're branching out.

[01:38:08] You're going big.

[01:38:09] It's hard to keep up.

[01:38:11] It's hard to keep up.

[01:38:12] Book sales are good.

[01:38:14] I'm real happy.

[01:38:16] And our relationship's been good.

[01:38:18] I've had three or four people come by tonight who had heard me on your show.

[01:38:21] So I'll always be grateful for that.

[01:38:23] That's great.

[01:38:24] Do you want to tell us about the books?

[01:38:25] What's the name?

[01:38:26] Where to find them?

[01:38:27] So White Mountain State is my book about the New Hampshire 48.

[01:38:29] You can find it in bookstores such as The Mountain Wanderer, White Birch Books in North

[01:38:36] Conway, and Concord at the big bookstore in Concord.

[01:38:41] Oh my gosh.

[01:38:42] I wouldn't know.

[01:38:43] Gibson's.

[01:38:44] Gibson's.

[01:38:45] I try not to come down to these subtly places.

[01:38:47] That's right.

[01:38:48] The city.

[01:38:49] The city.

[01:38:50] I was stressed out driving down here.

[01:38:51] Like, oh my God, it's so busy.

[01:38:53] Take me home.

[01:38:54] That's right.

[01:38:55] That's right.

[01:38:56] The traffic.

[01:38:57] The traffic is incredible.

[01:38:58] It's funny.

[01:39:00] And I just finished up a year of...

[01:39:04] So I'm from Fitchburg State College.

[01:39:06] I'm an alumni.

[01:39:07] That's in the story.

[01:39:08] The city of Fitchburg.

[01:39:09] My book earned the right to be the community read for a year.

[01:39:14] Wow.

[01:39:15] So for a year, my book was in a bunch of different events.

[01:39:17] They were using it at the school, in classes.

[01:39:20] Students reading my book, dissecting me.

[01:39:23] That's amazing.

[01:39:24] That's great.

[01:39:25] But we just had the big event.

[01:39:26] Last month, we had a big event on campus, which was really rewarding.

[01:39:30] Sure, sure.

[01:39:31] I had alumni came out, folks going back to like the class of...

[01:39:35] I think the oldest guy in the room was like the class of 1957 was there.

[01:39:38] Yeah.

[01:39:39] And he was a hiker and he read my book.

[01:39:41] That's fantastic.

[01:39:42] And it was thrilling to talk to him about hiking in the 50s, you know?

[01:39:45] Okay.

[01:39:46] Yes, things have been good.

[01:39:47] Excellent.

[01:39:48] But they've been good for you too.

[01:39:49] I'm sure Mike might want to ask you a question or two in a minute.

[01:39:52] Oh yeah.

[01:39:53] Fees free.

[01:39:54] Yeah, well we're doing okay.

[01:39:56] We're creeping up on 500,000 downloads.

[01:39:59] Half a million.

[01:40:00] Can't believe that.

[01:40:01] Sort of freaky.

[01:40:02] Wow.

[01:40:03] Yeah, it's weird.

[01:40:05] And revenue generated?

[01:40:07] Well, we do the advertising thing.

[01:40:11] That's really not our goal.

[01:40:12] But I think at the moment, the foundation is certainly there.

[01:40:15] Okay, yeah.

[01:40:16] Wow.

[01:40:17] I mean who knows?

[01:40:18] But yeah, we're creeping up on it fast.

[01:40:20] That's wild.

[01:40:21] Wow.

[01:40:22] You know the guests keep on coming.

[01:40:24] We keep on finding new topics, which is always good.

[01:40:27] I see that.

[01:40:28] You are...

[01:40:29] The community that you guys have been able to not only build but nurture and farm,

[01:40:35] you know, and watch it grow.

[01:40:37] It's been a treat for anyone who hikes in the White Mounds because they're...

[01:40:41] And I know I said this on the year, the first time we met was there was a void.

[01:40:45] And not only have you guys filled it, you really have been a blessing to us who hike in the White Mountains.

[01:40:51] Yeah, well that's...

[01:40:52] I really appreciate it.

[01:40:54] Daphne misses you.

[01:40:55] Oh.

[01:40:56] Mike?

[01:40:57] Yeah, he's working.

[01:40:58] Yeah, I guess he's just like selling stuff.

[01:41:02] Yeah, here you go.

[01:41:05] Who do we...

[01:41:06] Who rolled up on the table stomp?

[01:41:08] Yes, this is...

[01:41:10] This is Keith Gentili, author.

[01:41:12] Yeah, my cameo.

[01:41:13] My cameo's fading with...

[01:41:15] I know, I know, I apologize.

[01:41:16] That was alright.

[01:41:17] But it's good to see you again.

[01:41:18] Alright.

[01:41:19] How was the traffic at your table?

[01:41:21] Good.

[01:41:22] You sell a lot of books?

[01:41:23] Enough.

[01:41:24] Enough.

[01:41:25] You know, I told enough.

[01:41:26] You gonna retire?

[01:41:27] No.

[01:41:28] No.

[01:41:29] And you know, the work is the reward.

[01:41:32] You guys know that and that's not a joke or a bit.

[01:41:34] The work is more rewarding than anything financial that comes along with it.

[01:41:38] We try not to lose money.

[01:41:39] We try not to go backwards.

[01:41:41] But talking with people, either read the book or we'll read the book.

[01:41:44] People that I've come across with just like you gentlemen,

[01:41:46] when you see people that appreciate your content

[01:41:50] and are willing to give you that kind of feedback

[01:41:53] that has just enough value that you take with you,

[01:41:57] that's the kind of reward that is, you know, keeps us going, right?

[01:42:02] Yeah.

[01:42:03] Keeps us working.

[01:42:04] It keeps us working because...

[01:42:05] There's nothing there that drives us to get up and do it again.

[01:42:08] After our day job, after our kids are done

[01:42:11] or our pets or our house is clean and we mow the lawn,

[01:42:14] then we work on what we're passionate about.

[01:42:17] And so I think we have that in common.

[01:42:19] Now seeing everybody tonight getting their awards

[01:42:21] has it inspired you to like do another list

[01:42:23] or get out there and do some more hiking?

[01:42:25] Yes and no.

[01:42:27] Yes.

[01:42:28] But I've tried to free myself of being a prisoner to list.

[01:42:31] You know, I'd like to think I can freelance my way through the mountains now.

[01:42:35] But I'm chipping away the terrifying 25.

[01:42:38] I'm at 2020, 2021 on the terrifying 25.

[01:42:41] What do you have left?

[01:42:42] On that...

[01:42:45] Can't remember.

[01:42:46] Well, I know what they are but they're all big hikes, you know.

[01:42:49] You gonna do Huntington?

[01:42:50] Yeah, that's on there.

[01:42:51] All right, I know a guy that can help.

[01:42:53] Okay.

[01:42:54] If you want to...

[01:42:55] Call me if you need help.

[01:42:56] I'll get you up there.

[01:42:57] Yeah, as I'm getting older

[01:43:00] and my cortisone shots are getting more and more frequent.

[01:43:03] Yes.

[01:43:04] You know, every three months I'm in there.

[01:43:05] I'm in there three months.

[01:43:06] We will have stomp on standby in case we need a rescue.

[01:43:09] Both knees.

[01:43:10] Both knees this time.

[01:43:11] Yep, both knees.

[01:43:12] Yes.

[01:43:13] You know, but that's okay.

[01:43:14] That's okay because it is a solution for me.

[01:43:16] It keeps me out there, you know,

[01:43:17] and so until the day comes that I might,

[01:43:20] I don't know, have knee replacement.

[01:43:22] But that's all right.

[01:43:23] That's all right.

[01:43:24] No, but things are really good

[01:43:25] and I'm glad things are good with you guys

[01:43:26] and I appreciate you having me on today.

[01:43:28] Yeah, no, it was great to see them.

[01:43:29] All right, thank you.

[01:43:30] All right.

[01:43:34] Now.

[01:43:37] All right, stomp.

[01:43:38] So we are back.

[01:43:40] So that was fun.

[01:43:41] It was a good time.

[01:43:42] So I definitely recommend anybody who is interested

[01:43:46] in going to the event next year

[01:43:48] that you should bookmark it and attend.

[01:43:51] It was a good time.

[01:43:52] It's cool to be around a bunch of hikers

[01:43:54] and it was a great mix of people

[01:43:56] and everybody was so nice

[01:43:58] and the energy was so cool there.

[01:44:00] I would highly recommend checking it out.

[01:44:02] Yeah, Mike, do you want to go back next year?

[01:44:04] I think the offer is open for us.

[01:44:06] Yeah, I want to go back next year

[01:44:07] and as a matter of fact,

[01:44:08] I'll have submitted my winter by that time

[01:44:11] and then I'm hoping that some of the crew

[01:44:13] that I've been doing the winter 4,000 footers with,

[01:44:17] you know, Nick and Jake Sturr

[01:44:19] and Peter and that whole crew,

[01:44:21] like maybe they'll put into.

[01:44:22] Yeah, maybe I'll finish mine,

[01:44:24] but maybe not.

[01:44:25] But I have one final comment.

[01:44:27] We were actually showing off the Vocalus gear

[01:44:30] and a lot of people were checking them out.

[01:44:32] We're absolutely just,

[01:44:34] wow, what is this?

[01:44:35] And we got to show off that piece of gear

[01:44:37] for the pack, so that was cool.

[01:44:39] Yeah, that was a good time.

[01:45:00] Moving on to our last segment of the night,

[01:45:07] recent search and rescue news here.

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[01:46:12] All right, Stomp, so we've got a couple of things here.

[01:46:15] I pulled this article about a 24-year-old,

[01:46:18] I guess this guy was like a social media influencer

[01:46:20] or like a bro on social media or something.

[01:46:24] 24-year-olds, he had died falling off a cliff

[01:46:29] on UC Santa Barbara.

[01:46:32] So apparently...

[01:46:35] A lot lately.

[01:46:37] Yeah, this thing's crazy.

[01:46:39] So these are cliffs in Isla Vista, I guess,

[01:46:42] is the name of this area.

[01:46:44] And these are cliffs that are getting worn down by the ocean

[01:46:47] and there's like a bunch of houses

[01:46:49] and I think it's like a college area.

[01:46:51] So the kids are living in these like apartments and houses

[01:46:54] that are like right on the cliffs

[01:46:56] and there's just some crazy video.

[01:46:59] Matter of fact, I will share my screen

[01:47:02] so you guys can at least look at it

[01:47:04] and then I will also...

[01:47:08] I'll post this in the show notes,

[01:47:10] but like what I'm looking at here is like this part.

[01:47:12] It's a party full of college kids

[01:47:14] and you can see that they are...

[01:47:18] Yeah, wow.

[01:47:20] These college kids, they're all just hanging out

[01:47:22] like at this party

[01:47:24] and they're up against this cliff wall

[01:47:27] that has these like wooden pylons and then a fence.

[01:47:30] But they're all like...

[01:47:32] There must be 500 kids at a fraternity party

[01:47:35] and they're just standing on top of sand

[01:47:38] that could absolutely crumble

[01:47:40] and you could absolutely see like a scenario

[01:47:42] where hundreds of these kids just fall down

[01:47:45] 100 feet to their death.

[01:47:47] So it's just a scary area

[01:47:49] but apparently what goes on is that these...

[01:47:52] This guy that died most recently, he jumped over a fence

[01:47:56] and I don't know if he was drinking or what happened

[01:47:59] but he fell about 50 feet

[01:48:01] and when the high tide's up

[01:48:03] you go right into the water

[01:48:05] so you can even if you survive

[01:48:07] you can end up drowning

[01:48:09] and these balconies that these houses have

[01:48:12] that are right by the ocean are not safe.

[01:48:15] So they've had 14 total deaths.

[01:48:18] Due to these cliffs recently

[01:48:21] and from...

[01:48:23] Yeah, so basically going back from 1994

[01:48:27] they've had 14 deaths

[01:48:28] but 12 of them have been in the 2000s

[01:48:30] and then within the last five years

[01:48:32] they've had four deaths with three

[01:48:34] in the last three years.

[01:48:36] So it's just a scary area.

[01:48:38] So it's just a reminder like we cover these stories all the time

[01:48:41] anytime you're near a large drop-off

[01:48:45] like you need to have situational awareness

[01:48:47] and you have to be sort of alert at all times

[01:48:50] because one bad step and you're going to go down.

[01:48:53] Did you notice that 11 of them were men

[01:48:56] and three were women?

[01:48:58] I didn't even look at that but yeah.

[01:49:00] It's like a data point for your mic.

[01:49:02] Yeah, it's a good point.

[01:49:04] Wow.

[01:49:05] Interesting.

[01:49:06] Yeah.

[01:49:07] And I think that the fact that this is in a college area

[01:49:10] in a UC Santa Barbara

[01:49:12] I have to imagine that's going to be like a party school to me

[01:49:16] so I'm sure there's a fair amount of drinking that goes on

[01:49:19] so it's just a scary thing.

[01:49:21] Wow.

[01:49:22] Those cliffs are very daunting too.

[01:49:25] I visited the San Diego Cliffs area like a year and a half ago

[01:49:29] and yeah, they're all fenced off.

[01:49:31] There's ropes everywhere

[01:49:32] and I wouldn't have even dreamed you know

[01:49:34] it looks like it could have rode away at any moment

[01:49:37] in a lot of those places.

[01:49:39] Yeah, it's scary that that picture

[01:49:41] that party is just horrifying

[01:49:43] because it's just sand underneath them

[01:49:45] and it can give way no problem.

[01:49:47] So, especially with the weight of people on it.

[01:49:50] So it's just a sad story

[01:49:52] but I'll put those in the show notes

[01:49:54] and people can check it out

[01:49:55] and it's just a good reminder to make sure

[01:49:57] that you're not getting close to the edge.

[01:50:00] That's right.

[01:50:02] All right, stop.

[01:50:04] So the next now we're going to go local here.

[01:50:07] So a 74-year-old lady from Malton borough

[01:50:10] had gone for a walk and had returned from home.

[01:50:14] She apparently was found in a wooded area

[01:50:20] a short distance from her residence around midnight.

[01:50:23] So, a call came in around 7 p.m.

[01:50:26] that this 74-year-old Malton borough resident

[01:50:30] had gone off for a walk

[01:50:31] and then they found her I guess in the woods somewhere

[01:50:35] pretty close so she had gotten injured

[01:50:38] and couldn't move.

[01:50:40] So luckily they were able to find her

[01:50:41] because it is still pretty cold at night

[01:50:43] but also well that ends well for this one.

[01:50:45] Absolutely.

[01:50:47] So, yeah, it was like 28 degrees

[01:50:50] I think when I woke up this morning

[01:50:51] so it's not a comfortable night to stay out.

[01:50:54] That's right and Friday morning

[01:50:55] supposed to be pretty chilly too.

[01:50:57] Yeah.

[01:50:58] It's that time of the year.

[01:50:59] Although we are going to get a warm streak next week

[01:51:01] which is nice.

[01:51:03] Love it.

[01:51:04] Yeah.

[01:51:06] Okay, so this next one is a hiker with stranded

[01:51:09] and remote part of the Appalachian Trail in Western Maine.

[01:51:12] They were able to bring him to safety

[01:51:14] in an overnight rescue between Saturday and Sunday.

[01:51:17] So, Franklin search and rescue received a call on Saturday

[01:51:20] to assist state wardens with a stranded cold hiker

[01:51:23] about an hour north of where they were working

[01:51:26] on the Appalachian Trail in the Bigelow Preserve.

[01:51:29] So, search and rescue teams met wardens

[01:51:31] from the Maine Department of Inland Fishery

[01:51:34] and Wildlife at East Flagstaff Road

[01:51:37] Appalachian Trail Junction around 11 p.m.

[01:51:40] and started a long arduous hike to find a stranded person.

[01:51:44] It was freezing out, it was gusting winds, soft deep snow.

[01:51:48] They had to deal with an race against time

[01:51:51] to reach and warm this stranded hiker

[01:51:53] before life-threatening hypothermia set in.

[01:51:56] So, the hiker was found on the exposed ridge

[01:52:01] past the summit of Little Bigelow Mount.

[01:52:04] So I haven't been out to the Bigelow Stomp

[01:52:05] so I don't know this area that well.

[01:52:07] But luckily they were able to get him some dry clothing.

[01:52:10] They were able to get a fire cooking

[01:52:13] and get him some food and water as well.

[01:52:16] So, hike crew was able to regain their strength

[01:52:19] and hike out and they were able to get out

[01:52:21] around 7 a.m. on Sunday.

[01:52:23] Yeah, they built a fire and everything.

[01:52:25] The pictures look rugged, the area looks rugged.

[01:52:28] They've got some deep snow

[01:52:30] and some spring snow.

[01:52:32] Oh man.

[01:52:35] Yeah, lucky stuff man.

[01:52:38] Yeah and at the bottom of the article

[01:52:40] and I'll put this in the show notes,

[01:52:42] they did do a public service announcement

[01:52:48] saying anybody interested in volunteering

[01:52:51] with Franklin Search and Rescue

[01:52:53] is invited to attend one of the organization's

[01:52:55] monthly training sessions

[01:52:57] the second Wednesday of each month

[01:52:59] at the Kingfield Fire Department

[01:53:01] in Kingfield, Maine.

[01:53:03] That's great.

[01:53:05] Yeah, that's super cool.

[01:53:07] Yeah, this looks like a gnarly hike.

[01:53:09] I mean the snow, this looks like the middle of winter.

[01:53:13] Yeah, it sure does.

[01:53:15] Definitely snowshoe material.

[01:53:18] Yup.

[01:53:19] Wow.

[01:53:21] The bigelos are really gorgeous.

[01:53:23] I haven't done them in winter

[01:53:25] but did them as part of a traverse

[01:53:27] along the A.T., Avery, little Bigelow and Bigelow

[01:53:30] and when you look out over,

[01:53:32] you see all the lakes and everything in your view

[01:53:34] and it's just absolutely breathtaking

[01:53:36] but it's pretty rugged terrain around there.

[01:53:38] Yeah, it looks like it's flag staff lake

[01:53:43] so and it's weird.

[01:53:45] My guess is that if the wind is going a little southerly

[01:53:47] that's gonna whip up some snow

[01:53:49] and cold conditions for sure.

[01:53:51] There's just a lot of water around there.

[01:53:53] Yeah, it's super windy too.

[01:53:55] We found ourselves getting up and down those summits

[01:53:58] pretty quickly back to tree line when we could.

[01:54:01] Even I think it was a September-ish traverse.

[01:54:04] Well, yeah, I gotta get up there.

[01:54:06] I've been on my list for a while.

[01:54:08] So, alright and then this last one here

[01:54:12] and then we will wrap it up for the night

[01:54:14] is Emergency Crews in Munson.

[01:54:16] So this is out in western Mass,

[01:54:18] responded to an injured hiker on Sunday afternoon.

[01:54:21] Munson Fire Department received a call around 2 o'clock.

[01:54:25] Reports of an injured hiker on Peeked Mountain

[01:54:28] and then when crews arrived they requested additional resources

[01:54:31] to assist as the injured hiker fell off a ledge

[01:54:34] about five or 10 feet

[01:54:36] and suffered several broken bones.

[01:54:38] Officials said the individual was carried out by hand

[01:54:41] from the summit and when they made it back to the landing zone

[01:54:44] the patient was flown by life flight to a nearby hospital

[01:54:47] so he got a helicopter ride out.

[01:54:50] Yeah, I'm not sure where this is.

[01:54:52] Peeked?

[01:54:53] Peeked Mountain in Munson.

[01:54:56] Is that closer to the Berks?

[01:54:58] Or by what you said or...

[01:55:01] It's Brimfield, Wilburham,

[01:55:05] so it's actually east of Springfield

[01:55:07] so it's between Worcester and Springfield

[01:55:09] so that's essentially Connecticut to me.

[01:55:12] Yeah, it is.

[01:55:13] That's not too far.

[01:55:14] Brimfield is that flea market.

[01:55:17] Okay.

[01:55:18] I'm just gonna pretend I know what you're talking about, Lynn.

[01:55:22] Yeah, if you're into antique flea market type things

[01:55:25] it's a pretty famous people come from all over to go to Brimfield.

[01:55:28] Yeah, and it looks like Stomp Peeked Mountain

[01:55:30] is right on the mass Connecticut border

[01:55:32] so it's right by East Long Meadow in Hampton.

[01:55:35] Gotcha.

[01:55:36] Cool.

[01:55:37] Yeah, the boys will be a foreign country honestly.

[01:55:41] Hey, wait a minute.

[01:55:44] So, all right Lynn,

[01:55:46] what do you think?

[01:55:47] You enjoy your time back with us?

[01:55:49] I always enjoy my time, of course.

[01:55:52] Awesome, yeah it was great to have you on again.

[01:55:54] It's so interesting to hear about the sewage class

[01:55:57] and all that fun stuff.

[01:55:59] Yeah, I saw your cat was crawling around in the background

[01:56:01] we didn't get to see him say hi but...

[01:56:03] Yeah, that's Maddie.

[01:56:05] All right everybody, until next time.

[01:56:09] Goodbye.

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[01:56:48] until then, on behalf of Mike and Stomp,

[01:56:51] get out there and crush some mega-peas.

[01:56:57] Now covered in scratches, blisters, and bug bites,

[01:57:00] Chris Stath wanted to complete his most challenging day hike ever.

[01:57:04] Fish and Game officers say the hiker from Florida

[01:57:07] activated an emergency vehicle yesterday morning.

[01:57:10] He was hiking along the Appalachian Trail

[01:57:13] when the weather started to get worse.

[01:57:15] Officials say the snow was piled up to three feet in some spots

[01:57:18] and there was a wind chill of minus one degree.

[01:57:22] When there was green light, you described this race.

[01:57:25] Do we all know what they are?

[01:57:26] Only one hill!

[01:57:29] Lieutenant James Nealand, New Hampshire Fish and Game,

[01:57:31] who's ended thanks for being with us today.

[01:57:33] Thanks for having me.

[01:57:35] What are some of the most common mistakes you see people make

[01:57:37] when they're heading out on the trails to hike here in New Hampshire?

[01:57:39] Seems to me the most common is being unprepared

[01:57:41] and I think if they just simply visited hikesafe.com

[01:57:44] and got a list of the ten essential items

[01:57:46] and had those in their packs,

[01:57:48] they probably would have no need to ever call us at all.