Episode 158 - Appalachian Trail FTK, Devil’s Tower, and More White Mountain History - The Trail Gang

[00:00:00] A pair of hikers from Rhode Island have been rescued after getting stuck in treacherous terrain on Mount Washington. At least one hiker expressed they were feeling symptoms of hypothermia. Officials tell us the hikers were brought to safety around 10pm and thankfully there were no injuries.

[00:00:18] This was no drill, but a real life emergency deep in the White Mountains. Broadcasting from the Woodpecker Studio in the live free or die state of New Hampshire. Welcome to the Sounds Like A Search And Rescue Podcast.

[00:00:44] Where we discuss all things related to hiking and search and rescue in the White Mountains of New Hampshire. Occasionally including the counties of Belknap, I mean Belknap, um something like that. And Coos Coos, wait or is it Coos County? Whatever. Here are your hosts Mike and Stomp.

[00:01:15] Alright so welcome to episode 158. Stomp just like added a late addition to the script and he has me dying over here. I'm like dying laughing so I'll share it with the listeners in a moment.

[00:01:30] So Stomp, why are we recording on a Wednesday night again? Why are you making me do this? I've been in Cambridge all day and I'm not in the mood to do this today. Oh yeah after all that traffic. Tomorrow night is the big debate.

[00:01:42] So it's the political Super Bowl for Stomp. Oh my god. Yeah. So we've already talked about this like you're not a sports person. No. But you like politics. This is like your world series. Oh yeah, yeah I absolutely love geopolitics and just civics in general.

[00:02:04] So yeah tomorrow night should be interesting. Yeah, yeah I mean I'll be rearranging my sock drawer I think. Oh Mrs. Stomp's not even gonna be home either. She's like I'm gonna go over my friend's house.

[00:02:16] Yeah, yeah I mean from my perspective I'll get like all the highlights on TikTok in the morning when I wake up and I have to go to the bathroom. I'll just sit on the toilet and watch all the highlights. Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:27] You know we'll see. I'm sure Donald Trump will come up with some like funny names for Joe Biden and then Joe Biden will like probably have some memory issues and it'll be interesting. So um yeah yeah I think we're all gonna be collectively dumber after Thursday night.

[00:02:44] So good luck to us but anyway so we're recording on Wednesday night and then yeah I guess we'll go into this. I'll do the intro stomp and then we can get started here. So welcome to episode 158 of the Sounds Like A Search And Rescue podcast.

[00:03:02] This week we catch up on some recent search and rescue news. We've got rescues on Monadnock, the Dry River and Old Bridle. We're going to do a recap of some wild weather in New Hampshire from this weekend.

[00:03:16] There's a northbound fastest known time attempt that is coming through the whites this week. So we'll cover details on that. Fourth of July planning because fourth of July is coming up and we've got a follow-up segment on last week's history segment on the trail masters

[00:03:34] where we talked about connecting the trails of the White Mountains. Stomps got an announcement on new slasher patches. Oh wait a minute did I just give that away? No no okay I think we talked about that briefly once.

[00:03:46] Okay and then controversy over a name change of the Devil's Tower and then Stomps favorite segment notable hikers of the week otherwise known as Stomps Instagram buddies post their hikes. So I'm Mike. Right and I'm Stomp let's get started.

[00:04:22] All right let's get started so let's go into a hiking buddy spot here Stomp and do you know what Mr. Barlow our posh friend is going to cover today? This is a complete surprise I have yet to look at it I'll probably find out tomorrow night. Very good.

[00:04:46] This is Ben Pease from Hiking Buddies we are a 501c3 non-profit committed to reducing avoidable tragedies through education impactful projects and fostering a community of support. You can find out more at hikingbuddies.org. We wanted to say thank you to those who have supported our mission

[00:05:02] and most importantly say thanks to those who speak up who ask questions and who are willing to provide guidance and assistance on the trails when needed. You embody what it means to be a hiking buddy and now for all my

[00:05:13] newer hikers out there here's this episode's hiking buddies quick tip. Trekking poles help with downhill hiking and lower impact on knees and hips and aid in river crossings. They can also be used to clear spider webs in the morning check mud and water depths

[00:05:35] erect guy lines for your tent and assist in supporting your weight for minor leg injuries. Excellent and then now Christina is going to share a little reminder about White Mountains Endurance Coaching. That's right Christina's endurance coaching super super cool tool for those that are looking to up

[00:06:04] their game in the white so whether it be hiking power hiking running trail running she's the definitely the go-to. Hi Christina with White Mountain Endurance Coaching and I wanted to let you know that not only do I coach endurance athletes I also coach hikers and mountaineers.

[00:06:24] I have plenty of experience in the White Mountains and would love to teach you how to start out whether you're a beginner if you're more advanced give you some more skills to transition from hiking to trail running and most of all teach you how to move

[00:06:36] safely in the mountains so whatever your goals are whatever your experiences reach out coaching. Christina Fulcic dot com I'd love to help you. Excellent all right Stomp so I guess starting off we just want to give the listeners a reminder

[00:06:56] on our schedule so we will be releasing this show on what is today today's the 26th so we'll be releasing this show on June 28th and then we're going to take a week off so there'll be

[00:07:12] no episode on July 5th and then we will be back on July 12th. Sounds good and back to our deserved vacay normal schedule and then I might need to take some time off around like end of August

[00:07:27] like middle of August that period I get kids moving off to school and Europe and all that fun stuff but otherwise we'll be we'll be pretty steady Eddie. Sounds good yeah we've been cranking

[00:07:36] them on anyway for the last several weeks. Yes yeah we've had great guests and we've had all kinds of fun stuff to talk about so it's great but we're going to take a week off

[00:07:45] and enjoy the 4th of July holiday and we've got some good adventures so we'll share those when we get back. For sure. All right Stomp any suggestions on where to check out the 4th of

[00:07:57] July fireworks if you are in the New Hampshire area? Well there have to be some I was looking at some of the local listings for the towns and some of them are on Wednesdays some of them are

[00:08:10] Thursday on the actual 4th and some around the weekends but there are some good spots you can check out fireworks I think right here in Waterville they're doing theirs on Thursday and I believe the best location would be the scour that little cliff face about a mile and

[00:08:27] a half up from Livermore. Let's see if you're living in the Lincoln Woodstock area I you know I've not done this but I would assume that Indian Head would be a really good option

[00:08:38] it's not too much on the mileage and you have a perch overlook view of Lincoln right there on your side of the the woods North Conway what do you think about Cranmore? I have no idea honestly

[00:08:54] Stomp like I think yeah because we typically are up in Maine and the the neighbors on the other there's like there's two ponds and there's like a railroad track that cuts across them so the other

[00:09:06] the big pond they'll do they do fireworks every night over the 4th of July holidays so we typically just sit on the beach or we sit on the front porch and just check out the fireworks

[00:09:17] so very rarely have we gone I mean I think I think you're right I think Cranmore does fireworks yeah but yeah I think the other thing that comes though I believe Ossipee also has fireworks off of 125 there's typically like a big parking area there by

[00:09:38] Lake Ossipee that you can go to but yeah I really I very rarely ever go out on 4th of July just because we've got these neighbors that like to light off fireworks so we never have to

[00:09:48] yeah yeah yeah I'm trying to you know see if the weather will work out and give it a shot this year I'm probably going to do the scour one if if I'm able but what about the moats moats are pretty

[00:09:58] close to Conway yeah absolutely I think if there are fireworks going off like if you did a nighttime hike on the moats like I'm hanging out on South Moat you'd absolutely if there's a clear view

[00:10:08] you'd see all the fireworks which would be cool yeah and then any any peak with a fire tower would work as well like Red Hill Fire Tower has 360 views you probably look at Meredith, Laconia

[00:10:20] yeah I'm sure like Shakora I guarantee you like there's a bunch of fireworks that go off over like Ossipee Lake in that area there so yeah anywhere where there's like bodies of water what I've

[00:10:32] noticed is like anybody that lives on like these lakes there usually is at least a few houses that sort of take it upon themselves to light off fireworks because it's a good situation it's

[00:10:42] like it's kind of littering but it's also good because you can just shoot them right over the water and you don't really have to worry about any any fire situation so that's typically what I see

[00:10:50] is a lot of people that are on the lakes so yeah yeah copy cool well looking forward to it it's always a fun holiday yep the 4th of July is always great so um and we'll take a look I'll see if I

[00:11:04] can post some stuff on the show notes uh so that um you can take a look and make your plans yeah I mean at the moment we're looking at 24% chance of rain but that's long long range forecast for the

[00:11:18] 4th yeah yeah that could change who knows heart stomp I don't know what this next line means it says keep an eye on slasher spaces for content what is that what is this oh yeah well uh several

[00:11:29] several weeks ago I opened up a slasher um account on former x or former twitter twitter and now it's called x and they have a really cool spaces thing which allows you to do just live uh recording and

[00:11:45] so I'm going to start just recording some you know I want to get some content with mrs stomp and then grandma grandpa stomp and whoever else is interested but it's sort of a nice option to do longer form interviews with everybody and anybody who's interested and uh just

[00:12:01] as a little supplemental uh bit of content for slasher oh okay so this is the place you were talking about like if we wanted to go live somewhere like we could do it this way correct

[00:12:11] okay so so I'm thinking like I think it'll be really fun just to uh do some longer form just like just spontaneous interviews where anything's on the table for topics including hiking so it

[00:12:26] might be interesting get a little more detail uh from some people so keep an eye out okay yeah send me the link I'll put it in the show notes I don't think I have I don't have a twitter so

[00:12:36] I'll have to yeah see what I do with my own personal but I'll figure it out and uh that sounds good stomp you're always on it with the social media I love that about you so that I don't have to be

[00:12:52] yes yes okay um so breaking news stomp I saw this so um first of all I think we missed this last week so June I think it was June 21st is my least favorite holiday of the year which is like hike

[00:13:05] naked day oh damn we talked about naked hikers before you know I've stumbled on naked hikers in the emerald pool I think you said you've stumbled into um naked hikers I think in the emerald pool

[00:13:17] as well but like somewhere else bald face yeah yeah yeah bald faces that seems to be a a place where naked people like to go but um I saw a nick news which is this like facebook group about north

[00:13:27] conway news um a indecent exposure call was reported on self-mote so uh we'll have to see what that's all about I'm watching it closely to figure it out all the commenters I had to laugh

[00:13:40] like half the commenters were like um it's probably some guy that just had to go the bathroom on the trail and he didn't walk far enough on the trail and then the other half are like this is why we

[00:13:50] pick the beer so there you go so anyway we'll keep an eye on that but it's a good reminder so if you if nature calls and you're on the trail even though you think that no one's around I can

[00:14:01] guarantee you the second that you do your business someone is going to pop up so you want to get as far off the trail as possible make sure you walk like 200 feet so that you're not visible from the

[00:14:11] trail and then do your thing um if you're doing your number two thing make sure that you bring a trowel to bury bury your business or pack it out so um remember dogs on the trails if you're

[00:14:23] too close to the trail they tend to find that human waste and it's not good for the dog owners that's really funny indecent exposure I totally forgot about that naked hiking day but that's a

[00:14:33] big thing yeah yeah or a small thing it's a so I just hate the idea I like seriously if I come across a naked hiker I'm gonna punch them in the head I'm gonna be like put your clothes on so

[00:14:52] maybe I won't punch them because probably most people are bigger than I am so I just I'll just give them like a very angry yell yeah yeah this is so creepy all right stop so um

[00:15:04] slasher patches so these are like we've done stickers and we've done um we've done the the window clings and now we're doing patches and these are like good high quality looking patches

[00:15:17] and I think a lot of people are into patches I have patches sewn into my backpack so I will definitely get one of these and sew it onto all of my backpacks um they're looking good yeah yeah

[00:15:28] so it's um they're like circular patches but the like the the search and rescue piece of it is like a little extended over the edges and uh yeah it looks cool like a little wing and there are three

[00:15:41] and a half to four inches uh in diameter so they're pretty big okay uh they're the iron-on kind as opposed to the velcro kind okay I never had success with the iron-on kind anyway I always

[00:15:55] end up stitching them I always stitch them into yeah oh yeah yeah yeah for sure you have to but they're looking good so evergreen embroidery in Campton is working on that now and a lot of people

[00:16:05] asking when they're going to be ready we have no idea um yeah we have no idea but uh it's definitely in process and then we'll have to discuss what we want to do with them if we want to sell them or

[00:16:15] just pass them out at shows or who knows we'll come up with a plan yeah yeah we'll probably do a mix or something very good very good um all right and just a reminder for the listeners I

[00:16:27] was taking a look at our apple so I had a conversation so my daughter is uh can't uh the little bit of a long story here but basically I want to see if people can give us five-star

[00:16:38] reviews on apple podcast but the reason why I remembered it is because my daughter is currently working my middle daughter um is currently working as a camp counselor and um she's like overseeing

[00:16:51] I think like 10 or 12 year olds or something like that and she's uh gonna be uh she's going into her junior year at um at college so she's a little bit older so the kids are like what's your social

[00:17:02] media um you know what do you do you have like uh an instagram account all this stuff so they're not allowed to give any of that info out but my daughter was telling me she's like oh they ask

[00:17:12] like oh what does your parents do for a living and all this stuff so my my daughter's like oh my dad has a podcast and uh they're like oh is he famous and she's like lying to them and saying like oh

[00:17:23] yeah yeah and I laughed and I said oh yeah tell them tell them I know stomp um but anyway so it got us talking and I was like oh tell them to give us a follow and a five-star review on apple

[00:17:34] podcast as a joke and then I remembered I was like oh I just have to tell the audience to give us a five-star review on apple podcast so if you would be so kind to do that that would be great

[00:17:44] um I don't know what it does for us but it makes me feel good when I see like a five-star review with a nice comment so yeah yeah I don't think I've ever looked but um it must affect rankings

[00:17:56] in search engines or who knows I don't know stomp it's like my version of notable hikes when it happens it makes me happy that's great all right so uh moving on here stomp um I've been

[00:18:09] following our friend Matt Shin who was on he was on a show a long time ago he did like a through hiker segment for us good guy he's got a social media thing and he he follows a lot of the like

[00:18:20] ultra running and uh the fastest known time stuff so he's been tracking this this story and then I just pulled it I've been sitting on it because I wanted to wait until he got to New Hampshire but

[00:18:30] um Christian Morgan who um I believe he holds the fastest known time southbound on the Appalachian Trail he has been he's 32 days into his northbound attempt for the fastest known time so um he had

[00:18:48] made it to Vermont in 28 days and that was around 1500 miles and at that point he was about 60 miles ahead of the record as of um as he entered Vermont now he is dealing with some leg and knee issues

[00:19:05] now stomp so he slowed down a little bit I think he had a rough day yesterday where he couldn't run at all and he was relying on hiking poles 100% of the time um and the guy that he is trying to

[00:19:19] beat is is uh Carol Sabby I think is his name he did it in like 41 days and change um what you know the year that that was set it was uh pretty recently I don't know because I remember Jerzik

[00:19:34] and all these other guys had the record for a while yeah oh actually it wasn't that recently it was 2018 okay 2018 yeah so this is the supported so yeah so Scott Zurich had it for um

[00:19:48] like three years his time was 46 days and then Carol beat it um it's 41 days 7 hours 39 minutes and right now so between when he entered Vermont he's currently 32 days in I just looked at the live tracker he just cleared Smarts Mountain and is heading towards Hexacube shelter okay sure

[00:20:12] I'm assuming he's gonna I don't know how long he goes matter of fact I can actually look at the live tracker here yeah miles per day yeah and he's doing like so basically he's averaging 53 miles

[00:20:24] 54 miles a day and um if he keeps up with that pace assuming he stops at Hexacube shelter then tomorrow he would go from Hexacube he would go over Mount Cube into Moosilake over the cannons kinsmen's and then into um Franconia Franconia and then he would stop

[00:20:49] somewhere around Garfield tent site yeah and then and then on Friday he would go through Pinkham notch from Garfield tent site he would get to Pinkham notch and then Saturday he'd be going

[00:21:06] from Pinkham up to Full Goose shelter which is the shelter that's like right below um right before Mahoosic notch and then he'd be into Saddleback and then he'd have like around 200 miles left

[00:21:22] with like four days and he's he's definitely not he was originally 60 miles ahead of um Carell but I think that that's tightened a little bit so it's gonna if he gets it it's gonna be within like probably a 24-hour period

[00:21:39] that's awesome yeah yeah it's really exciting I mean that's a hell of a feat I don't know the difference between north versus south if there's one that's harder or easier I don't know um let

[00:21:50] me see so the fastest known time I would assume northbound would be easier because you're like not dealing with the crazy stuff right away so he did the southbound in 45 days

[00:22:05] and then he's on pace to do northbound in like 41 days so I'm assuming northbound is a little bit um a little bit more a little easier I guess compared to southbound I suppose yeah yeah I

[00:22:23] guess there's I mean you get all the easy stuff but uh there's the training and you you could also argue that like okay once you clear Vermont then it it gets a lot easier and you could do

[00:22:35] many more like 60 to 65 mile days heading south yeah heading south exactly yeah right yeah get the hard stuff over with in the first place but interesting but it did get me thinking stop I was like I remembered that um well I was just thinking for for an FKT

[00:22:56] I keep looking at and nobody has put in for this one is um there is a southbound supported FKT which is a mixed gender team so and this group did it with like five

[00:23:19] people and they kind of did it because they're like no one has put up any time they put it in for 14 hours so I sort of feel like if I could get like a um you know a good crew together I could

[00:23:31] probably I don't know how quickly I could do it I could probably bang out a presidential in like 10 or 11 hours so if I could get a mixed gender crew around that same pace like we could we could take

[00:23:42] the FKT for the presidential traverse yeah I bet well you gave that a shot before didn't you yeah and my sister-in-law bailed out on me got it yeah she wasn't feeling it so uh no she did

[00:23:57] great but she was just not feeling it and she didn't want to slow me down so um but yeah I don't know maybe maybe I'll find a female friend or two or seven and we'll go for it well unfortunately

[00:24:07] all the listeners are going to undercut your plan here so forget about it I was talking about this last year and nobody no one has done it so uh we'll see yeah we'll see listeners are savvy

[00:24:20] yeah yeah so good luck Christian Morgan and uh we'll keep we'll keep everyone updated by the time we get back he'll be done yeah okay have to keep a lookout that's crazy though he went 28 days from

[00:24:31] uh Springer Mountain Georgia up to Vermont yeah it's a machine yeah it's nuts um all right stop so wild wild weather weekend uh ef1 confirmed in Dublin near Keene I know that they were looking

[00:24:43] at a couple of likely tornado yeah um down in like the connect the corner of Connecticut Massachusetts near the New York border so uh but it looks like there was a similar one up by Keene yeah yeah it was interesting that afternoon uh that this was last Sunday

[00:25:01] race the cog day they ended up canceling that the night before because of the higher summits forecast and just you know in general people were planning on uh seeing some potential tornado activity and that afternoon uh did shape up more towards the the Keene uh Manchester area

[00:25:19] and uh they confirmed that there was an ef1 which I don't recall the speed of that but it's a lower speed it did do some damage to the local communities in Dublin uh so pretty wild wild weather

[00:25:32] yeah yeah not as wild as I had hoped I was hoping we were gonna get like a big one but um it's good enough I mean I would like to big one like in the whites to like

[00:25:42] clear out you know maybe maybe like get a tornado right on like the summit of hill or something knock knock the trees down how about get rid of that obnoxious cairn well that's okay but like I think

[00:25:55] the tree you know just just cut a path all across the trees like naturally to get a get a bit of a view out to the pimmies oh yeah there you go yeah yeah yeah tornadoes always fascinate me

[00:26:07] yeah yeah there's some cool spots in the whites that have gotten taken over by uh you know like I think of that that section between or the like willie tom field there's like a section that

[00:26:16] definitely got hit by um some serious activity because all the trees are knocked over and then there's another one on the when you drop down into the tree line by davis path there's like

[00:26:28] trees that are all wiped out um when you're heading to isolation I remember me and you did that we went there and it's like definitely got like um some tornado activity or something there

[00:26:38] yeah yeah so and uh by the way the race the cog has been rescheduled to august 24th for those that are interested in uh attending just to watch because it is a blast it's like unlike any other

[00:26:51] race in the whites it's so cool um I'm assuming that there are no new cog tickets I'm assuming that those people that got were lucky enough to get tickets to go on the cog to watch it are just

[00:27:02] going to have their uh their tickets transferred to that date but uh definitely try to check it out august 24th excellent um all right stomp and then we got I love I love when the listeners send us

[00:27:14] fun facts this is a good one yeah it's a good one this one came in from listener dave size word uh sorry if I chop that up a bit but uh quote listening to the latest episode fun facts about

[00:27:29] earthquakes cisco brewing in portsmouth is modeled after the seattle location which is designed to be earthquake proof so one of the safest places to be during an earthquake is at the brewery

[00:27:43] thank you nave for the uh info it's very cool very cool that is a fun fact so yeah I know where I'm going the next time uh an earthquake hits that's right have a brew and survive right um all

[00:28:01] right stop so in the past we've talked about this uh committee that's been set up called the reconciliation and place names committee we've done a couple of segments I think just updating

[00:28:11] people about like different name changes and I know there was like a movement to change the name of mount washington at one point that I think got denied by the board of geographic names uh but the

[00:28:22] the devil's tower which I believe is in wyoming has uh has been in the federal government's crosshairs for quite a while now and um it sounds like there was a meeting of the reconciliation and place name subcommittee so this this subcommittee was put in place by president biden

[00:28:40] under the management of the bureau of land management um and the purpose of this subcommittee is to provide guidance and advice to the board of geographic names so typically the board of

[00:28:54] geographic names the process is that you've got to like make an appeal to them they'll review it it's a very slow archaic process so the idea was that they would set up this subcommittee that would

[00:29:04] make recommendations to the board of geographic names and then if they didn't move on it quickly enough then I think that they can use uh like executive mandates to to sidestep the board if

[00:29:19] they want to so they've come out with a recommendation to change the name of devil's tower which is a famous like basically it's like a square tower I don't even know how tall it is

[00:29:29] stomp do you know how tall it is I don't I don't but it's the one from close encounters of the third kind um I it's iconic I believe it's the the insides of an old volcano and it's uh yeah it's

[00:29:42] serrated vertically with um just vertical lines and it's it's a pretty stunning um piece of rock for sure um yeah yeah so yeah I think it was the very first national monument if I'm not correct

[00:29:57] FDR yeah that was the very first one and um it this is an interesting story so back in June the uh committee there for the reconciliation met and this came up in the conversation and

[00:30:13] apparently back in 2014 like what 10 years ago um native tribes had put forward a request to change the name back to its original um it there's this controversy about the original name because different native tribes had different names for it but it basically comes down to

[00:30:34] variations of beer rock beer lodge uh beer tippy and what's interesting about this this is crazy but this is a lost in translation type of situation back in 1875 there was an individual named colonel Richard Irving Dodge who was scoping out the area with the army if I remember

[00:30:55] correctly and they had a translator and the translator uh he said the word wahonksika which means black beer but it was misinterpreted to say wakonsika which is evil spirit so following that episode this colonel began saying it was devil's tower so it's basically this lost

[00:31:20] in translation type of error that occurred way back in the day where the story gets really interesting is when um the government wanted to create a monument in Wyoming in this area

[00:31:34] the grand tetons it's back in the 20s with John D Rockefeller ultimately what came out of this situation in the 20s you had all the ranchers saying no way you're not going to take all our

[00:31:45] land you're talking like 200,000 plus acres of land um they the people of Wyoming actually got protection congressionally to protect any future effort to change names or to create monuments and you can look it up yourself it's um what is it here it's uh code 54 us code section 320301 and

[00:32:12] it says basically limitation of extension or establishment of national monuments in Wyoming so no extension or establishment of national monuments in Wyoming may be undertaken except by express authorization of congress so you did mention that the secretary is going to try to skirt

[00:32:32] around that but it's literally codified in law that they cannot do that based upon the history of Wyoming legislation fascinating story and this is one of the few ones that I actually agree with

[00:32:45] I mean if that was just an error in the name but then again you have to consider it's been named this way for so long it's like I don't know it's very interesting yeah yeah I don't know I mean

[00:32:55] the the word devil is like um I think the argument is that like the devil was used to like disparage Native American tribes in that region and I don't know maybe that's true but you know it's kind of a

[00:33:06] unique yeah yeah so check it out it's super cool and the reason I brought it into this script this week is um you know what what affects national parks elsewhere can potentially affect us here

[00:33:16] and there's been rumblings about changing my Washington and all these other names I'm always nervous about the presidentials like what what would happen there I mean it it it sounds like it's pretty unrealistic that something would happen but then again you never know

[00:33:31] I did pull stomp I pulled the recommend the recommendations of so there was two recommendations that came out of it one was to rename the devil's tower yeah and then that will be like a big

[00:33:45] political battle and then they they did a lesser recommendation with a list of 143 derogatory names and these are interesting so um there are like um there's about six or seven of

[00:34:03] these that are like one is called rape creek and then there's like I'm trying to how many of these are there papoose yeah there are what is papoose I don't even know what that word is so 110 papoose

[00:34:20] and place names that are proposed to be I feel like a papoose was like if I'm not correct I feel like that was like something you hold the kid in right I thought so too uh let me look it up

[00:34:32] quick here just to see if there's any yeah and then as you're looking this up here's an peckerwood um is the other one so they made these recommendations so essentially so there's 18 peckerwoods okay there are according to this in Algonquin it means child papoose

[00:34:54] okay that's interesting yeah those directors so there's 18 peckerwoods there are 113 papooses there are five that use the word rape and then there's six that use a version of the n-word but

[00:35:11] with pp in the middle so I don't know exactly what that means and then interestingly there's a word there's a there's a hill in massachusetts in Worcester county that uses a derogatory term

[00:35:24] um like basically the the f-word that we that would be used in um derogatory towards a a gay person so uh which is shocking to me that that still exists in massachusetts but there are some

[00:35:38] yeah there are some inappropriate names and some of these features but that's um so these seem I guess apparently these words will go or these these place names will go to the board of geographic

[00:35:50] names and then that will start the discussion on how they will reneat rename each of these places but so many of them are just streams and I just wonder whether or not they are even

[00:36:02] referenced as as such but uh yeah it's interesting um just digging a little bit deeper in this papoose thing um I guess the argument is for it being derogatory is that it's uh

[00:36:16] it's it refers to an indigenous baby or a young child of north america and I guess in today's lexicon culture um that's derogatory or offensive it's also it's also a carrier

[00:36:30] it's like a sling yeah that's what I always I always knew it as so a lot going on here so I'll link some of this stuff on the reconciliation and place names um

[00:36:40] committee and then uh yeah if you want to dig around the other cool thing about this is there's like public comments oh yeah there's some funny like uh funny letters about uh just people getting

[00:36:50] mad about certain things so it's worth checking out oh the comment section is always the best that's where the action these are like public matter of fact shop I was actually thinking we

[00:36:58] could even write like you can write a letter to the committee and they by law they have to like put it on their website as a public comment yeah there you go a little promotion little pr

[00:37:08] yes yes we want to rename something to stomp hill so all right um so moving on here stop I got a couple of news stories that I wanted to pull so uh my friend our friend al had sent this over to us

[00:37:22] there was a cold case murder um that was solved and this was a murder that happened in the 1990s it was two backpackers two basically uh um two women it was they were a couple they were

[00:37:35] backpacking in the Shenandoah and um close to where the Appalachian Trail is and they were murdered uh in this case has now been solved by DNA um so DNA tests determined that Walter Leo Jackson Sr. killed Lolly Winans and Julie Williams 26 and 24 years old at Shenandoah National Park

[00:37:58] on May 24th 1996 the FBI's Richmond Virginia field office and U.S. Attorney's Office of Western District of Virginia made the announcement um on uh somewhere around June 20th so 28 years it took

[00:38:12] them to uh to solve this crime they had previously targeted um I think one or two other suspects they even arrested and charged a suspect that later turned out to be innocent of that crime but

[00:38:25] I think was guilty of some other crimes uh apparently what happened here is that there was DNA of the suspect in the CODIS database but the challenge was is that the DNA from the crime

[00:38:37] scene they weren't able to I guess get enough DNA to get a profile match the FBI work with a private lab to collect DNA from several pieces of evidence and that DNA profile was sent to

[00:38:53] the FBI's um I believe it's called the CODIS um database and that eventually led to a positive match so I think they were able to um use some new DNA techniques to get a better read on it so

[00:39:08] um this has been over this was a pretty well-known story anytime you went on like okay unsolved mysteries around the Appalachian Trail this was like one of the top

[00:39:18] um unsolved cases so this is a big deal and this was a big deal because when they did arrest the first person I think that they were working on charging him with a hate crime because this was

[00:39:28] a same-sex couple and that was like very early on in like the late 90s early 2000s that they had started using hate crime laws around cases like this so it's it's a it's been it's been an

[00:39:40] unsolved mystery for a long time so it's good to get some closure um still sad for the family horrible story but it's it's just good that at least we have an answer interesting yep

[00:39:50] DNA is key now it's incredible the way they're able to process DNA from um smaller and smaller samples and then what they can do with um genetic uh DNA and tracking family members through it I

[00:40:05] don't think in this case it was much more straightforward it was just really getting the DNA but the amount of unsolved crimes that have been solved because of genetic um or genealogy and DNA has been it's been crazy right um another story Al sent over that I thought

[00:40:21] was interesting stomp is a this is a story about an air force captain and a staff sergeant that were both permanently disabled in 2023 they were training for search and rescue and they were in a

[00:40:35] tactical vehicle and experienced a rollover so this tactical vehicle is a um like a hummer it's it's bigger than what you would see with those side-by-side utvs but it's sort of the same

[00:40:49] same idea it's a it's a hummer uh open roll cage uh situation so an air air force captain and a staff sergeant um were injured in a rollover crash while training in the pacific last year so it

[00:41:05] happened in um tinian on the northern mariana islands which i think is like i feel like the mariana island stomp was where they did like some of those nuclear bomb tests and things like that

[00:41:17] way back in the 50s um but it was a male captain was driving a side-by-side search and rescue tactical vehicle with a female staff sergeant in the passenger seat so the captain who was driving

[00:41:33] was a tactical air control party officer um and he was there to participate in an exercise on the island and the um i guess the staff sergeant was a non-commissioned public affairs officer so she

[00:41:57] was there documenting the event so while traveling to the training exercise they they went down a narrow overgrown road and the vehicle went off the road into thick vegetation and began to roll um neither one of them were wearing their seat belts or personal protective equipment and they

[00:42:14] were both ejected so the captain suffered serious injuries that caused permanent paralysis below the way so the guys paralyzed yep and then the um public affairs staff sergeant she was part of the first combat um camera squadron out of south carolina sustained serious injuries to include a

[00:42:38] pelvic fracture internal abdominal injuries resulting in severe severe several corrective surgeries and an above the knee amputation so she had internal bleeding and lost her leg because of this um she told the accident board investigators that she requested assistance with the harness

[00:42:59] buckle from the captain but he waved her off and stated that they were only a five-minute drive and they did not need to wear seat belts she also told investigators that she had a nervous feeling

[00:43:11] about the speed the vehicle was going and she made multiple requests to the captain that he slowed down and he ignored her so um it sounds to me a little bit like this guy was a bit of a like a

[00:43:23] being a macho guy figuring like i can drive super fast and um yikes and then this accident happened and you know luckily i mean they were around like a search and rescue team so they were able to

[00:43:36] to get out but it was pretty crazy one of the one of the uh first on the scene had talked about how we saw a black spot um just right of um of her navel which was like early signs of internal

[00:43:48] bleeding so she was starting to develop like a a big black spot and they were able to call flight line um so both of them were in really bad shape initially they were all focused on the man because

[00:43:59] he appeared to be in worse shape they didn't realize that her leg had been completely snapped off and that she had the internal bleeding so they delayed their their um their triage of her just

[00:44:11] because they didn't realize how bad it was until they really started looking at it so scary scary situation so she would have put the belt on had she known how to put the belt on she was

[00:44:24] yeah she was trying to get a harness on so she and he refused saying don't worry he was like yeah don't worry about it we're five minutes away it's a quick drive so she just said all right

[00:44:32] forget it i trust him blows then he starts driving like a maniac and she's kind of like hey slow down i'm getting nervous he probably was like oh i'm gonna get i'm gonna you know give her a thrill

[00:44:42] ride and she's gonna be impressed with how badass i am and then right right next thing you know they roll that is such a shame i'm sure she probably would have put it on had she known oh yeah wow

[00:44:52] yeah wow so crazy stuff anyway but yeah crazy story and then uh the other one that al had sent over is and you had sent this to me to stomp there was a hiker that went missing for 10 i always my

[00:45:05] antenna is always wide open on these cases because i don't know because i just i get a weird thing we've covered a couple of these cases so missing hiker was rescued lost for 10 days in

[00:45:18] the santa cruz mountains of california he was supposedly going for a three-hour hike when he disappeared he didn't bring anything and he basically spent 10 or nine nights out there he only had a flashlight and folding scissors he said he was like drinking out of streams using his

[00:45:33] boot as a cup and um you know search and rescue efforts went on they finally found him but i don't know stop i feel like sometimes these guys maybe they take a little bit of lsd and go out for a

[00:45:44] vision quest and then they're a little embarrassed but i don't know about this one i don't either you know what i when i first when i first read it the thing that gave me a red flag vibe was that he

[00:45:58] would use his boot to drink the water from the waterfall and i just thought that was sort of weird i don't know we'll have to keep an eye on this one because i i don't know i just i don't

[00:46:10] know i can't put my finger on it but something doesn't sit right with this one probably he plays rugby we what i used to the rugby guys i knew they were very big into like after the games they would

[00:46:21] pour beer into their boots and they really drink out of the boot yeah it was like maybe it's bonding so maybe yeah maybe it's habit okay interesting yeah but good for him he's alive 10 days yes

[00:46:33] congratulations yeah hey what's that sound it must be time for the pop culture segment with mike and stomp all right stop so this was the story that you pulled that made me laugh at

[00:46:57] the beginning of the show so stop stomps like oh i had this story i was gonna put in about pop culture because i thought it was funny but it's stupid and i was like well what is it and then he

[00:47:06] explained it to me and i was like yeah we'll put this in so we'll share this in the show notes but there's this there's this pop singer named ed sheeran uh-huh and he's pretty he's pretty big my

[00:47:17] kids know myself i couldn't name a song by him i i couldn't even i guess i could probably but he sells out arenas and all this stuff so he has a super fan who um apparently goes to all his shows

[00:47:30] her name is amanda baron and she's 40 years old i guess she's known as like being like a like a super fan and whatnot but she found some dude that looked so she maybe she's like stalking

[00:47:46] ed sheeran but she she wasn't successful so she found this guy that looks like ed sheeran so ed sheeran's this red-headed goofy looking guy that wears glasses and she found a guy that looks

[00:47:57] exactly like him and married him and now it's all over the news that this super fan married a doppelganger of ed sheeran and apparently she had like a bunch of celebrity lookalikes at the wedding including like a look-alike of prince harry jack sparrow gordon ramsey

[00:48:15] david beckham so that's pretty funny yeah he's like the uh the poor poor woman's uh ed sheeran he's like much skinnier sort of lanky looking i mean yeah but the thing is like he is like

[00:48:29] she could not have picked a guy that looks more exactly like ed sheeran than this guy absolutely yeah he looks exactly like her like him so does it go into how long they

[00:48:39] knew each other or anything like that oh they it says they were dating for over two years yeah so that i mean that takes a little bit of the uh uncertainty and weirdness away from it

[00:48:53] like imagine she's got a type she has met the guy she's got a type she certainly does yeah she's got a type so anyway uh so we'll put this in the show notes and people can judge for

[00:49:05] themselves um it's a little bit creepy but it's also like i mean if you if you were into a celebrity and you want to look alike like this she killed it like she found someone exactly like this guy

[00:49:16] that's right yeah we all know that hiking a mountain can be hard at times so here's a corny dad joke to help you get over it but um bum um all right stop so um this is the

[00:49:34] part of the show where i do a dad joke yahoo i'm ready i'm gonna nail it what do you call people who are afraid of santa uh yeah i give up claustrophobic oh yeah claustrophobic

[00:50:00] okay okay i see what they did there all right i i want a bonus one yeah sure what the hell we're off and this is a good one why does piglet smell so bad um why because he plays with poo

[00:50:17] oh thank you lance and camilla oh my 365 days of bad dad jokes excellent that'll hold over the fans the listeners for two weeks yeah yeah speaking of fans stop i hope that you're using a fan to

[00:50:33] keep you from getting too hot and sweating yeah i've got one blowing on my back right now well that's good that's good you know like you've got to keep that back sweat off and speaking of back

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[00:55:35] hey hold my beer it's time to find out what mike and stomper drink on this week's beer talk very good stop very good um so this is the part of the show so we're not i'm thinking about coffee but right now we're

[00:55:54] drinking beer at this point so um we're gonna talk about what we are drinking so what do you got i'm going back to my my roots it's summer and i'm having a hard time putting down beer so i just

[00:56:06] grabbed a twisted tea half and half look at you yeah you like that that's uh half and half half what is it lemonade and iced tea yeah it's so good yeah five percent tasty sugar bomb but hey

[00:56:20] that's all right why not i'm uh i'm working on i think my second fiddlehead of my four pack that i started last week what do you think yeah it's not bad it's an interesting go-to beer i usually like

[00:56:32] you know they're at restaurants a lot so i'll usually grab a fiddlehead if the that's the options yeah it's an interesting aftertaste like you can legit taste it and it's a little bit aftertaste like you can legit taste the ingredient yeah yeah it's interesting good stuff

[00:56:49] yes it is and then uh now is the part of the show where we talk about recent hike stomp and unfortunately we had crappy weather and i had to go to i went to a concert friday night i went and

[00:57:02] saw hootie and the blowfish were the headliners and bare naked ladies and collective soul and ed mccain i guess all those i guess the connection with this whole group except for the bare naked

[00:57:16] ladies but collective soul ed edwin mccain and um hootie are all connected to like south carolina georgia okay that makes sense in that area so they've all known each other for years but um

[00:57:29] it was great show um boston was pumping because it was this it would that morning they had done the celtics parade so we got to fenway by like four o'clock five o'clock and um the place was

[00:57:43] just every every bar was packed so we just went right to um yaki way and just hung out and had beers and ate there and then went in and there was a little bit of a rain delay but um so collective

[00:57:55] soul and edwin mccain played and then there was a rain delay for about an hour and a half and then bare naked ladies played a 45 minute set and then hootie played about 25 songs or so so it was good

[00:58:09] a lot of covers yeah a lot of covers that's a good lineup so so hootie did the lead singer darry ruckus is that his name darius he does his solo country stuff and now he just came back for this

[00:58:20] tour i guess yeah yeah they've reconnected so i don't think he played he did do wagon wheel um and then maybe he did one or two other of his solo but mostly it was like

[00:58:33] they probably honestly did about 10 cover songs and then um about 10 or 15 hootie and the blowfish songs okay and here's another interesting little tidbit so the slasher podcast intro theme song which we call water pots where we start the show off that was produced by a legend uh boston

[00:58:54] producer anthony resta who's now out in la and anthony resta has produced an s load of collective souls music is namely that tune heavy you know heavy the one that starts off with the guitars

[00:59:07] like syncopated guitars that's anthony so there you go there's a little factoid for everybody wow that's interesting so yeah and they were great they said they sounded really good but

[00:59:19] like the collective soul like the lead singer um you know he's a little old you know he's got a button his shirt up a little bit you know i don't know how i feel about the i think we've talked

[00:59:30] about this before like the older yeah yeah i think we talked about that before it was but darius rucker looks he's in great shape and he got around the stage really well and uh i think

[00:59:40] he's like 58 but he looks like he's in his 40s so he's he was good huh that's funny i gotta mention this speaking of aging rockers there was that clip of van halen when they were on jimmy kimmel late

[00:59:51] night they were outside did you ever see this and it was david lee roth spinning a steel pole doing his kung fu thing and it's this video that's out there floating around but he he bangs his nose

[01:00:03] and like shatters his nose but he keeps on performing it look it up on youtube it's wild but speaking of aging rockers david lee was not looking so great really yeah yeah he's

[01:00:17] yeah like he's definitely the type of guy that because he was so physical on stage that you just call it a day right oh yeah oh man all right so what about you you get you get out to well sticky

[01:00:31] it looks like yeah i was gonna you know it's like psychologically i had moved on because i'm at the point where i i don't think i should even mention wd anymore because i'm out there quite a

[01:00:41] bit and it doesn't really seem like it's you know something notable but yeah it was nice i mean i did a counterclockwise no i'm sorry clockwise uh ton of people coming up the other direction this is

[01:00:52] after the rain so that the trails are fairly wet but the ledges are dry from the sun and the wind so yeah nothing nothing dramatic out there but i'm hoping to get out soon for the holiday

[01:01:06] that's great that's great stomp so um i'm getting out on saturday so i'll text you and let you know what i'm doing i think i'm gonna get up to evans notch oh this weekend i think so yeah i got

[01:01:16] saturday i'm either gonna get up to evans not i may even go up to grafton and do like that northern section go out to bald pate in that area but we'll see yeah it's another rainy weekend coming unfortunately hopefully not hopefully saturday be okay but we'll see okay

[01:01:37] it's time for slasher's notable hike of the week if you want to be considered for the hike of the week simply tag slasher on your social media post um but stump now is your favorite

[01:01:53] segment notable hikes of the week you get to um shout out all the hikers that tagged us on our instagram that's right so if you want to tag us on your adventure do so and um we have a good

[01:02:03] handful here not as long as some recent weeks but let's get into it so ronda's hiking again hiked the moat traverse that's one of your favorite spots so that she did the whole

[01:02:15] traverse uh that's uh he's speaking of uh speaking of the moat traverse the other thing that i picked up on um nick news which is this like north conway news site um they were towing cars at diana's bath

[01:02:29] so the tourists were the torans were parking on west side road and they were getting their cars towed so don't do that what do you need do you need a forest national forest pass for that or

[01:02:40] is it there's a parking lot off of west side road and you can park in there and then there's no overflow no if you start parking on the side of the street you're going to get towed and it says

[01:02:48] no parking on both sides the neighbors you know the neighbors deal with deal with enough headaches and a lot of people like blocking their driveways yep leaving dirty diapers all over the place

[01:02:59] doing u-turns just causing havoc so it's the parking lot is the parking lot and that's it there's no on on the road parking got it okay all righty so we're moving on to mir 45 height

[01:03:12] lonesome lake trail very nice chris wright and tracy morgan are in morocco they may be back by now but they hiked up or climbed a 13 353 foot mountain called jebel magun i hope i say that

[01:03:28] correctly but nice work chris and tracy those pitches were amazing yeah that's a whole other world out there i was uh yeah i was trying to think of some dumb indiana jones joke to post

[01:03:39] in their posts like don't eat the dates but i didn't yeah yeah yeah and and tracy gave me a shout out she when i posted that i was at hootie and the blowfish she was like i love them

[01:03:48] so she's got good taste in music too so thank you tracy so that's pretty awesome uh lynn lynn liz faye is back again and she's got a couple things going on here so deer mountain fire tower trail which i'm not familiar with sounds pretty cool and then

[01:04:06] stub hill in pittsburgh new hampshire it's way up there nice and then finally duchess three six six three hiked mount willard for 19 out of the 52 with a view list let's dive into some white mountains history shall we

[01:04:41] all right stomp so this is like um we don't have like a this is like the first time in a long time we don't have like a true segment or a guest or anything like that but we just we've got to catch

[01:04:51] up on some stuff and this will be a little bit of a shorter show i think but i did a little bit of research after um the segment about the trail masters so um i was doing some additional digging

[01:05:04] around because i wanted to get more detail and i found this website of a guy by the name of alex mckenzie who um in his auto autobiography says he was born in 1940 so he's a little bit

[01:05:21] he's getting up to 84 years old i i may reach out to him to just see if that i i can um talk to him a little bit about this but he put together a really cool website that has

[01:05:32] links to old appalachia brochures that are written by charles blood and paul jenks and i read about like five or six of these articles from charles blood and paul jenks so they were like the original um trail masters for the amc they were the ones that broke out

[01:05:53] the uh like the webster cliff trails and things like that so i picked up a couple of cool stories here so charles blood uh talks about the um the effort that it took to cut webster cliff trail

[01:06:10] and from webster to jackson and then jackson to mizpah they talked about how um first of all they talked about how they found an ancient trail that helped guide them a little bit like a herd path or

[01:06:25] maybe something like that yeah so they don't know you know is it an animal herd path or is it something like that so they were able to get a little bit of a a read on uh either a herd path

[01:06:35] or an ancient path and they were able to cut it and then um the funny thing is is they named the trail the cannibal trail so originally before it was webster cliff that section from from jackson

[01:06:52] over to mizpah they originally called that the cannibal trail but they the next year they renamed it officially webster cliff and basically they cut it and they were like okay we've we've got

[01:07:03] the connection up to um mount clinton mount pierce now and then they were like plan b is going to be we're going to go down to the cliffs and uh and connect it over to uh to willard so they did that

[01:07:18] one the next year and he was talking about how like they really like had a hard time figuring out what direction to go but once they sort of made it they were starting to head downhill they were

[01:07:29] they started like really picking up speed yeah and they they busted through it he also talked about how paul jenks basically set up the process and how they hired for the trail so it wasn't just

[01:07:44] the four guys that we talked about last week they had like these a bigger crew over time but by like 1923 they had tried out like some friends and they tried out some people they knew and what they

[01:07:59] found was like there was only like four or five of them that really stuck with it and then they started bringing in college kids so these guys were like the big paul jenks and um i think one

[01:08:11] or two of the other people they were like librarians and teachers in school so they worked from the beginning of june until september 1st when they had to go back to school

[01:08:20] and then those nine months when they were in school all they would do is plan for what they were going to do for the three months that they had in the mountains wow so um what they started

[01:08:31] doing is they were like we need people that are going to stick with us so they would hire like four or five college kids and they always wanted like freshmen and essentially like they what they

[01:08:43] found was that um they never asked people to come back they would just have them do the work and then they would observe them and typically they'd realize like okay there's a couple of them that

[01:08:54] would go home and essentially what they did is they did they set up camp a lot of their camps were in livermore so they would set up a camp and they would be there for like five or six days

[01:09:04] originally they got around on um railroads but like by the 1920s they got they obtained like a cadillac and they would put like five or six of these guys from the trail crew in the cadillac

[01:09:17] and then they each had about 50 to 100 pounds worth of gear and they would get around from basically like waterville valley up to whitefield would be there like where they would they would

[01:09:28] travel back and forth from so they would be on the trail for they only let them be out on the trail for like five or six days because they found out they basically discovered that like

[01:09:37] the college kids got a little antsy so they needed like one or two days off so they would give them sundays off bring them back up to whitefield you know hot meal uh shower whatever and then they

[01:09:49] would come back in but what they found is that typically like um they would never ask anybody back they would just wait to see if the kids would like be like oh i want to come back next year

[01:10:00] and they would typically keep like one or two kids out of the crew every year and eventually by the mid-20s they had like a core group of people that they could rely on

[01:10:10] and then they could be more particular about the college kids that they brought in but they basically said like we're only interested in college kids because we tried to bring in like they tried to

[01:10:19] bring some local farmers kids in and some other but those those ones were always worried about like okay i gotta go back to my parents house or i gotta go back to and i want to know what my

[01:10:29] friends are up to so they wanted like college kids that were only that had no connections to the area sure sure understandable which was interesting and then they also talked about the system they figured out that like every four years they needed to do trail widening so they

[01:10:49] would they would focus on the main trails and then all the um subsidiary trails or secondary trails they they put these like um remember in the library you would have like the dewey decimal

[01:11:00] system and you would have the the card system that's how they manage the trails yeah so they would have a card and they would they would mark when the last time they had cleaned that trail was

[01:11:12] and then paul jenks would manage the card system from uh flushing high school in new york that's really cool he would he would basically like come up with the plan on what trails they're

[01:11:22] going to clean out so they had a list of trails where they would say like okay this is the trails we're going to build to connect the systems and then the rest of the crew would be working on

[01:11:32] cleaning out the busy trails first and then they would look to see what trails hadn't been cleaned out over the last four years and prioritize those can you imagine what they found is that if you

[01:11:42] didn't trust if you didn't touch a trail for four years it would get grown in so that was the limit yeah you know what they needed back then was a uh kimball rexford or something to take care of that

[01:11:53] yeah yeah you need like a database system or whatever but they had cards yeah they had flip cards there you go so here's the other thing is this guy paul jenks he also realized like apparently

[01:12:04] he was hiking like airline or something and he had to get down so paul jenks was the guy that lived in whitefield and his house was kind of like the home base for these crews but he had to rely

[01:12:15] on like a real service in the like 1920s yeah from white and he almost like took a wrong turn and he's like we gotta fix this and he was the one that that said about um creating the trail

[01:12:30] sign so he over the years created 5 000 trail signs within the white mountains so there was no trail signs before so there was no um nothing to guide him so he was kind of like okay well the

[01:12:43] forest service does have some signs but those signs are all green and they're more like artistic and they're not necessarily like exposed to the weather like a trail sign would be

[01:12:54] above tree line or something like that so he had to basically figure out like okay what kind of wood do i use so i had to experiment with a bunch of wood and he actually figured out that like

[01:13:04] softer pine wood was better because the the paint would like absorb into the wood more efficiently so it wouldn't you know flake and whatever exactly so the softer wood was better because it would

[01:13:16] soak into the wood and then um he had to figure out like okay do i use black or green ink for the lettering and then you know how does the lettering work and essentially what he landed on was

[01:13:30] he would use this soft wood he would use four coats of lead leaded i was gonna ask it had to be lead paint yeah but the leaded white paint what he found is that it was like too brittle

[01:13:45] right so he had to basically like over time they did like a mix and what he was doing was he was taking all these plans back to flushing high school in new york and he would have the kids

[01:13:56] working on building this painting and making the signs over the school season and he'd bring the signs back up and put them in and then what he also did was don't chew the signs kids yeah yeah

[01:14:09] and they created the what are those called where you like put something over a piece of wood and you spray paint the stencils yeah yeah he created the stencils and originally he created the stencils

[01:14:21] where all the letters were the same size so if you had to build like a sign for lakes lakes of the clouds hut then you need like a 27 inch wood and what he found was like all the signs were

[01:14:34] disparated sizes right and eventually they figured out like okay we've got to adjust the stencil size because the signs that we're making are way bigger than we need them to be so eventually they

[01:14:44] they standardized them yeah it sounds like the lead was kicking in at that point who knows who knows but what he found is like originally he had his own mix of white paint but then eventually i

[01:14:55] think it was the duPont chemical company put together a very similar formula and he was like all right well we can use this now um and then the other thing is is they talked about like the the

[01:15:06] signs would constantly get stolen okay yeah so they had to figure out ways to like nothing changes make it so that yeah make it so that the signs wouldn't get stolen and they had like they put

[01:15:17] nails in them like on the outside and there was some weird stuff so it's very fascinating so i'll link all these stories out um but they were very organized that's the other thing is

[01:15:28] with the signs on the cards that he had for the trails he put he they had a number system where they would number the signs and then they would number the card and then they would put detailed

[01:15:40] descriptions on where the signs are what direction they're facing and then they had a date on when the signs were put in so they would not only do they had dates where they rotated the cleaning

[01:15:50] of the trails but they had dates where they would rotate the changing of the signs up there too and it was all done on this like file card system that paul jenks managed from flushing

[01:16:02] new york high school and a bunch of his students were working on it that's really incredible yeah so that's uh that's how they managed in the early days and they had eventually i think by like the

[01:16:18] 1930s they had more of a standard like trail crew there's another story that i i found and i'm going to do more digging into it before i share it but in 1960 they had a trail crew and they all quit

[01:16:30] and they signed a letter of resignation um so something happened with the trail builders and the trail maintenance people got no fight with the amc so i'm going to look into that later

[01:16:38] oh drama drama so interesting but anyway i thought that like this guy paul jenks and the guy charles blood absolutely amazing stories out of appalachia from like the 1920s up to the 1940s they basically

[01:16:51] wrote their stories down right i think i might uh submit a request to biden to change that trail back to cannibal trail i think that's really appropriate oh yeah yeah we used to call like

[01:17:04] we have this little like trail around our um my father-in-law's place in maine and we would take the kids back there and it's kind of dark and creepy and we would be like cannibal woods it's

[01:17:13] cannibal woods and the kids would be like so oh good stuff were you finding i'll link all this stuff yeah i'll link all this it's like fascinating when you like you delve into this history like

[01:17:26] it's just so fascinating that these the history that that is out there oh yeah for sure oh

[01:18:20] all right stop um do you want to do you want to do the national stories because my my voice is failing me a bit here oh yeah sure let's uh let's start with a hiker in colorado oh but before we do

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[01:19:47] straight to your door that's fieldstone kombucha co.com and yes so we have a couple national stories here these uh these are interesting so we start off in colorado at mary's glacier so a hiker died

[01:20:02] apparently after falling an estimated 300 feet while he was hiking near this glacier in clear creek county and they do show some pictures and it's it almost looks like tuckerman's to be honest with you um in late late winter early spring according to the rescue agency that responded

[01:20:25] first responders began searching for a stranded or falling hiker near the lake after a call was received just before 2 30 p.m and it's unconfirmed at this time but it's likely that it was a bystander

[01:20:37] at the lake who called 911 where the hiker fell so first responders joined with alpine rescue and discovered the hiker and he was pronounced deceased at the scene they had to use technical

[01:20:52] lowering devices to get below and down the snowy slope just for safety there is an image that they refer to with an arrow where this person landed the entire response lasted about two hours

[01:21:08] it's unknown on the day of the fall whether the hiker was a colorado resident or not but there you go another huge slip and fall which is terrible yeah a lot of snow up there yeah hey by

[01:21:20] the way is uh is the snow arch in or the snow bridge in tux gone at this point i don't know that's a good question the snow was holding on pretty pretty well on memorial day but i have to

[01:21:33] imagine it's got to be gone by now but i won't be getting up there anytime soon to check it out i'm not dealing with that crowd but we'll see i'll see if i can find some pictures all right sounds

[01:21:43] good hopefully nobody will be under it like previous years so now we go to san bernardino national forest hikers injured in the forest requiring rescue so two hikers were injured while trekking in the san bernardino national forest requiring riverside county firefighters

[01:22:05] and u.s forest service rangers to stage an operation hikers down call was received at 12 15 p.m and let's see this is near the thomas mountain campground roughly a mile west of highway 74

[01:22:21] agency said that multiple engine crews along with u.s forest service personnel went to search for the hikers and they were located within a couple hundred yards of each other officials said one victim suffered a head injury that caused temporary loss of consciousness while the other heads had

[01:22:37] unspecified minor injuries um they don't really go into details about what happened here but maybe there was a slip and fall it happens i mean even right here up on falling waters

[01:22:47] plenty of times people get injuries to their spine their neck their head um they had to let's see yeah they had to call a helicopter crew so at about 12 40 uh a sheriff's helicopter crew was

[01:23:02] preparing to perform a hoist rescue and transport the man with the head injury out um they arrived at 1 p.m um where a mercy air ambulance uh took care of them yeah oh yeah the last line here is

[01:23:20] that there's no immediate word on how they were injured well okay yeah who knows well i pulled one additional story out of san diego that actually al had sent this over to me um dean lee

[01:23:33] win a 50 year old woman was hiking the nighthawk trail on black mountain which is in the san diego area she was hiking with a group of 100 hikers participating in a 5k fundraiser for the build

[01:23:46] the school foundation the group stopped halfway up around 8 a.m and then win had decided that she was going to go ahead and finish the trail alone and by 9 30 she contacted her group telling

[01:23:59] them that she had reached the end of the trail by 10 08 uh win had contacted her sister to say that she was tired and needed water and then um there had been no contact with her after that

[01:24:11] uh originally she was considered missing and at risk because of the hot weather uh just because it was the first heat wave of the summer in san diego uh later reports indicated that san diego police had found a body that matches the description

[01:24:26] and um that yes she had died so that's kind of a wild story but again stay together stay together don't go off on your own wow yeah 100 people too and they lost her that's amazing yeah she guess

[01:24:37] she just went on her own they were kind of like look we're not uh you know she wanted to turn a 5k into a 10k and then uh it's you know the weather conditions were not great so yeah really hot

[01:24:49] yeah um all right so stop just moving to the local area we've got three uh situations here so this is on saturday uh around 10 45 uh there was an injured trail runner on the wild river oh this

[01:25:03] is the wild river not the dry river so i apologize i thought it was a dry river so 28 year old uh from north conway new hampshire so i've actually i've seen this name before i think that this

[01:25:15] person is a pretty prolific trail runner definitely knows what they're doing this is like a shit happens type of situation but the runner sustained a leg injury and wasn't sure if she could make it out without assistance uh gps coordinates placed her yeah for five miles from

[01:25:30] the wild river campground so yeah she's way in there oh yeah so our conservation officers responded um to wild river road we're due to severe uh washouts of the road they could they used atvs

[01:25:43] to get around the washouts and access wild river yeah i think wild river campground shut down i believe um she was so the call came into 10 45 she was able to make it to the campground where

[01:25:56] she met the the um conservation officers around 230 so she gutted it out for like three four hours making it back there um and then she was able to hop in the atv and given a ride back to her vehicle

[01:26:10] in jackson where she began her hike so experienced trail runner hiker she was well prepared um and she clearly made some miles while she was injured um so yeah good for her and hopefully she's healing

[01:26:23] up and she'll be out there ripping trails soon enough yeah it's always impressive when people actually try to self-rescue yeah yeah that's a lot i always say stomp i said i got two options

[01:26:36] i'm either gonna crawl out or i'm gonna have to call stomp but i'm not calling for a rescue i know no kidding a lot of times people just realize how much work it's going to be to actually

[01:26:48] get out you know it's going to take 24 hours to get back to the trailhead i have to call for help yeah and listeners i joke i would definitely call if i needed help and i if i was with someone i

[01:26:58] would call so yeah um all right this next one is on an old favorite old bridal fair amount of activity always on falling waters an old bridal so this was on tuesday june 25th so this is just

[01:27:12] yesterday um conservation officers from fishing game were notified of a 44 year old female had fallen and suffered a lower leg injury and could no longer continue without assistance uh rescue was reached the hiker around 9 30 so this came in at 7 20 pm and then uh rescue

[01:27:33] has reached the hiker at 9 30 she was about two miles from the trailhead she's from st louis missouri and due to the nature of the injuries they put the the hiker in a rescue litter and

[01:27:45] carryout commenced at 9 50 pm and the rescue party was able to safely navigate the two miles to the trailhead and arrived just before midnight and then the hiker was taken by family members to a regional hospital to evaluate her injuries um they had been hiking falling waters bridal

[01:28:03] path loop with family and were coming down when um she slipped on wet rocks causing the lower leg injury the family was pretty well prepared and good samaritan hikers escorted the family to

[01:28:16] the trailhead while the rescue took place so plenty of help out there yeah so looking at the map that is well above the hairpin that's definitely up into the ledges so i mean

[01:28:30] yep oh yeah it's it's up there for sure so it's yeah it sounds like she's probably around like there's sort of those switchbacks on old bridal before you get to the agonies so she's probably

[01:28:40] like now in one of those sections yeah yeah interesting speaking of um speaking of that area i'll put this in the show notes and i'll post some stuff on our social media but there was a

[01:28:50] call for trail work volunteers to help out with some of the work that's going on with um i think falling waters old bridal franconia there's like a federal program of trail builders and they they

[01:29:03] have like professional builders that know what they're doing and then they just need volunteers to to help out and i think that they've got like dates scheduled over the course of the next like

[01:29:13] month or two so i'll put i'll put the details in the show notes if you're interested and you want want to give a hand and you want to try your hand at like trail maintenance or trail building then

[01:29:23] you could volunteer here it sounds like a good opportunity absolutely um and then last but not least we've got a hiker that is assisted off of montman nadnock so uh this was yesterday as well

[01:29:37] just before 8 30 um fishing game was contacted by um local fire department uh that a hiker had been injured suffered a lower leg injury on the white cross trail the hiker was from herring harriman

[01:29:51] new york and indicated she couldn't continue so the the park staff responded to white cross and was able to splint the injury a little less than a mile from the headquarters and then the hiker

[01:30:03] was able to walk out on her own power uh between a quarter and a half a mile so the remaining half um i guess they carried her out so so good for her for making it that far and good for the rescue

[01:30:17] team for getting her out so she made it to the trailhead by 2 30 so 8 30 call in the morning and then she was out by 2 30. i'm trying to recall so white cross is fairly steep

[01:30:29] yeah white cross is like i can't remember white cross white dot but essentially those two trails are the main trails that um come out of the monadnock park ranger like main yeah the ranger

[01:30:42] station area and one of them has like this sort of chimney part that's pretty steep coming down but it's a lot of open ledges and people that aren't used to it like they're they i could

[01:30:53] easily see them slipping and falling in wet conditions right uh because it is pretty steep so um and people don't know like if you if you haven't done it a lot you don't realize like

[01:31:04] i see a lot of people just will go right out on the ledges instead of like there's you know there's like a crag that you can go down and you want to step inside that

[01:31:13] crag to give you a foot like a little purchase to to hold on to or you want to go maybe you go backwards if you're not comfortable but a lot of people just are unsure and they don't

[01:31:23] they're not used to walking on that terrain so they don't know what to do and they slip and fall and you got an injury there you go busy spot all right well it's not the same as walking on flat

[01:31:34] ground stomp that's true so but we made it we got we got a little one week break here hopefully we'll have new patches by the time we get back that's right we have a couple guests lined up

[01:31:47] for the return journey and um yeah we got ron our friend ronda is going to be in i think in a week or two yeah episode 159 so happy fourth of july be safe out there everybody and uh we will see you

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[01:32:43] on behalf of mike and stomp get out there and crush some mega peaks now covered in scratches blisters and bug bites chris staff wanted to complete his most challenging day hike ever fishing game officers say the hiker from florida activated an emergency beacon yesterday morning

[01:33:05] he was hiking along the appalachian trail when the weather started to get worse officials say the snow was piled up to three feet in some spots and there was a wind chill of minus

[01:33:14] one degree there's three words to describe this race do you all know what they are lieutenant james dylan new hampshire fishing game presented thanks for being with us today thanks for having me what are some of the most common mistakes you see people make when they're

[01:33:31] heading out on the trails to hike here in new hampshire it seems to me the most common is being unprepared i think if they just simply visited hikesafe.com and got a list of the 10 essential

[01:33:40] items and had those in their packs they probably would have no need to ever call us at all