Episode 168 - Welcome Adam Hoyt, The Great Gulf, Hiker gets lost trying to find themselves

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[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: forecast to 603-356-2137. And here's your forecast for the weekend of September 21st.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So Friday mostly in the clouds and mostly cloudy skies with drizzle and a slight chance

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of drizzle again, or rain showers. The high starting in the upper 40s then falling through the afternoon to the lower 20s.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Winds east shifting northeast at 25-40 mph with gusts up to 50 mph, increasing to 15-30 mph.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Wind chill will be falling to 25-35 above. Friday night starting in the clouds then trending in and out of the clouds and a partly cloudy skies,

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: slight chance of drizzle again, or rain showers early. The low will be in the upper 30s. Winds will be northeast at 15-30 mph with gusts up to 40 mph.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Wind chill will be falling to 20-30 above. And then Saturday in the clear under partly sunny skies with high in the mid 40s,

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: winds northeast at 15-30 mph early, 5-20 mph, possibly becoming light and variable at times mid day, and then 10-25 mph later.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And again the wind chill will be in the same ballpark and about 20-30 above rising to 30-40 above.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Night stop episode 168. We are on a clock. Yes we are, yeah that's for sure.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Time's taking you have to hustle, right?

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have a guest coming up at 8 o'clock and we're recording early.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It couldn't make it a start but yeah, it's hustle.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_11]: I just want to warn you stop.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm trying to hide behind my microphone when I do this but I'm still having.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Stop me if you heard this before, but I'm having issues with my mouth still.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh no, is it healing?

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, what's going on?

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_11]: It's healing but like slowly it's like over the course of the day the more I talk,

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_11]: the more painful the roof of my mouth spot gets.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, so I'm doing better sleeping but I'm not my mouth still hurts.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah, you have a follow up coming up or

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_11]: I went in and did the follow up last week and I screamed and made a whole big scene

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_11]: and everyone was like what's going on?

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_11]: But now I have to go in and like a month so I'm kind of on my own.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's definitely getting better but it's still.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_11]: I have this like numbing cream that I'm putting on it.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah, yeah, ambagella or whatever?

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Sure. You supposed to use it like three, four times a day.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_11]: I use it about three, four times a minute.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Ugh.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So that means I'll be carrying the beer section.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, no beer for me.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_11]: But anyway next week, next week will be the week where I'll be able to say my mouth feels better.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_11]: But anyway, stop welcome to episode 168 of the sounds like a searching rescue podcast.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_11]: This week we are joined by Adam Hoyt.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Adam hosts the popular YouTube Instagram and TikTok channels that

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_11]: he uses his name as the channel details and will include the links to all of them in the show notes.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_11]: But his channel, he's as a highlights, his many hikes in around the white mountains of the hamster.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Many of his videos start with the familiar refrain.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Have you hiked this and then insert trail mountain description, whatever?

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_11]: So he's pretty popular.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_11]: So it usually follows that by a detailed description in overview of each hike.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_11]: So Adam will share some of the details about the behind-the-scenes process of creating his videos.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_11]: And I'll talk about his hiking adventures.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_11]: And then I got a couple of questions to ask him.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_11]: He had a nasty fall in the Great Gulf.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_11]: So I want to talk about that.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_11]: And some of the good stories.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_11]: So all that's not plus there is a hiker approaching the new overall fastest known time on the Appalachian Trail.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_11]: There's an initial local that gets into a calamity near old faithful and yellowstone.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_11]: We might have to use the sheamed or up on that one.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Hiker goes into the woods to find, we have a story about a hiker that goes into the woods to find themselves.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_11]: And then immediately ends up getting lost and needs a rescue.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Flags on the 48 update.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_11]: We've got fun facts about tucking and ravine.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Fall foliage updates, recent hikes and in the Great Gulf, Chandler Brook,

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Eagle Cliff, red hill fire tower stops all sweaty after getting back from these hikes right now.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_11]: We've got notable hikes and recent search and rescue news.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_11]: So I'm Mike.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_11]: And I'm Stomp.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Let's get started.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_11]: All right, so let's go into our friend Mr. Andrew Barlow so he can do a hiking buddy spot.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, got a couple more.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: This is tips 3 and 4 for the hikeshift tips.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Dinner new.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_08]: This is Ben Peas from Hiking Buddies.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_08]: We are a 501c3 nonprofit committed to reducing avoidable tragedies through education, impact

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_08]: for projects and fostering a community of support.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_08]: You can find out more at hiking buddies.org.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_08]: We wanted to say thank you to those who have supported our mission.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And most importantly, say thanks to those who speak up who ask questions and who are willing

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_08]: to provide guidance and assistance on the trails when needed.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_08]: You embody what it means to be a hiking buddy.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And now for all my newer hikers out there, here's this episode's Hiking Buddies Quick Tip.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Hiking Essentials 3 and 4, Sun Protection and First Aid.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Along with proper sunscreen, sunshirts are helpful and cooling for exposed trails.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_06]: First Aid kit in 4 to mountain items include a Sam Splint, Stirl Al Gore's,

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Tape and Rapping and Alcohol Wipes.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Christina with White Mountain and Derns Coaching.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to let you know that not only do I coach and Derns Athletes, I also coach hikers

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and mountaineers.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I have plenty of experience in the White Mountains and I'd love to teach you how to start out

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: of your beginner. If you're more advanced, give you some more skills to transition from hiking to trail running.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And most of all, teach you how to move safely in the mountains.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So whatever your goals are, whatever your experience says, reach out, coaching.cristinafalseq.com.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to help you.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Alright, well thank you, Andrew and Christina from White Mountain and Derns Coaching.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Stop, at what point are we going to run out of hiking buddy spots?

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_11]: And you're going to have to do a whole new segment with Andrew.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they have two more spots. Once they finish up the hiking essentials,

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: they're actually all huddling now to determine if they want to continue or take a break or come up with some new idea.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the hiking tips are going to probably go away after a couple weeks because we've exhausted them.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: There are no more tips.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, no, there's a bunch of tips there so.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_11]: All good. So thanks again to our friends of hiking buddies.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_11]: So stop the fastest known time thing is going, I've got a lot of people pinging me about this one.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_11]: And I've also been like we have this guy on our show like a while back on Matt Shin.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_11]: He does a lot of the FKT stuff.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_11]: So he put out a video about this hiker and then my friend Al's been updating me as well.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_11]: And we've been doing the math about whether or not she's going to get the fastest known time.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_11]: So this hiker's name is Tara Dower and she got a pretty good resume when it comes to like,

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I think she has the fastest known time on the Colorado trail and a couple of other long distance hikes.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_11]: So her website is called Tara Trex.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Nice. And this one's interesting.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_11]: So the fastest known time on the Appalachian Trail is a northbound hike by Carroll Sab.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Sabi, I don't know how you say that.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_11]: So Scott Jericho broke it in 2015 and then Carroll Sab had broken it in 2018.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Now these are both northbound FKTs. So Carroll had broken Scott Jericho by five days.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_11]: And then the FKT for southbound is held by Christian Morgan.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_11]: He had broken Carl Metzger's time. So the southbound FKTs is 45 days in change and then the northbound is 41 days and seven hours.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Tara Dower is hiking southbound.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_11]: And again the southbound fastest known time is 45 days, four hours by Christian Morgan.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_11]: She is on pace to actually beat the northbound FKT of Carroll Sabi, which is 41 days and seven hours.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_11]: So she's going to come in under the fastest known time for the northbound going south.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_11]: So she's going to break the southbound by about four or five days and then break the overall by looks like maybe about a half a day.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's cruising, huh? Oh yeah, she's doing like in her system is interesting.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_11]: She's not like from an average pace. She's not as fast as these other people but what she's doing is limiting her sleep.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_11]: So she's starting at like three in the morning and doing a very small amount of sleep.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_11]: So she can actually crank out longer days. So she's average and like I think like 55 miles a day or something like that.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_11]: So sounds like a risk strategy.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, so there was a northbound FKT.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it was Christian Morgan actually that was trying to get the northbound FKT.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_11]: He was on pace to make it with about four days left and I think that he got an injury.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_11]: So yeah, it's risky when she's holding up right now as far as I can tell unless there's been some calamity but right now I'm tracking her and she is.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_11]: She passed on 10 a.m.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_11]: And I think she's in Georgia now. Let me double check.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Nope, she's not in Georgia yet. She's still in looks like by Montana the Ambodia.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_11]: She's got two more days to get there.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a big chunk of change. That's impressive.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So how come I find it odd that going northbound is the record is shorter than coming southbound.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially when you hit the whites and everything is up hill.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: More or less.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I don't know. That's interesting. I guess that's just the way it is.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Wow. Well, good luck Tara. Maybe we can chat about it.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. So we'll see hopefully she doesn't have any issues in the next two days.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, absolutely. Good luck.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Alright, stop.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_11]: So this next one here is a yellowstone issue.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_11]: So we talked a lot about this people fall into the hot springs there and they get in trouble.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_11]: There was another like there was a geyser that exploded aggressively that tore up some of the boardwalks.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_11]: And there's a lot of rules there. Pears, bras and then got in trouble for stepping off of the boardwalk and had to pay a fine.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_11]: So the latest here is a 60 year old tourist from the Hampshire suffered second and third degree burns after walking off trail over a geothermal crust in Yellowstone.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_11]: The woman was lifelighted to a hospital in Idaho.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: She was a new Hampshire native. Oh, that's Windsor and the Hampshire. That's unfortunate.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one of the Windsor and the Hampshire is Stomp Windsor. I think that's the worst. I think that's on the eastern shore.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: If I remember correctly.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, listener Keegan Steer pointed out that it was another outbreak of the Pierce Brosnan syndrome and it's we got a good laugh out of it. PBS syndrome.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, they tell tourists to stay on the boardwalk. She was wandering around with a leech dog off the boardwalk.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_11]: So I mean she broke through this thin crust of scalding water and suffered burns on her legs.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_11]: So no situational awareness apparently here. So right the incidents under investigation.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_11]: The proxies as no additional information or photos to share the burns to the woman.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So they had a good run. Wow. The interest place seems like it was unintentional though as opposed to Pierce Brosnan.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, she's going off the boardwalk. So shame. Yeah, no question.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Not Massachusetts either Stomp and the Hampshire right right. That's the reason why it's in the scrap. I mean she can't pass that one up.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess she won't hear the end of it.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, hopefully I mean she's okay. I mean second third degree burns no joke and it is scary. And people make mistakes and who knows it could be that a sign got knocked over or something and she wasn't doing anything.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, with malice, but still people got to pay attention.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she was going on a spiritual quest like the next story.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe that's a good segue stop. So this is quite a story. I've read this early in the week. Somebody sent this to me, but basically a British Columbia woman was seeking spiritual insight through an ego death during a solo venture.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_11]: So apparently this is like one of those like outward bound things, but for adults, this woman paid $1,400 to a nonprofit.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Conventure service and a mouse valley institute for multi day excursions. So she was one of 11 participants. So you're 11 people hold on. Stop going to do the math here trying to get lost 11 11 people.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Spend in $1400. That's $15,000. Listen, if anybody wants to find themselves and they need help.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I won't do this on the White Mountains because I'm not licensed, but they just reach out to me and for $700, I will get you a spiritual journey in the woods.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just point them in the right direction and there you go.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, so anyway, so 53 year old she's been $1,400 for this non-profit adventure service.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, I'm going to do a multi day excursion. So they should do a documentary on this. This would be one profit.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_11]: My butt. One of 11 participants in the group camp together for five days and then they split up for solo. So this gets wild. Stop. I'm going to go into this a little bit.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_11]: So the loneliness and physical stress of the outing would by design bring the explorers into a clearer state of mind.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_11]: So basically what they're saying is like, going to do a group hike and then you're going to go off on your own. Like that TV show alone. And it's going to bring you into a clear state of mind.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_11]: So the article goes on to explain that there was like no attempt made by the organization to measure any of these people's personal survival skills.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_11]: So they just let them out into the backcountry, according to the report from the county sheriff's office. They were also encouraged by their guides to lead their cell phones behind that was meant to curtail access to social media as the campers isolated themselves in civilization.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_11]: So the victim her name is Gina Chase. She wanted to basically clear her mind and she had, I guess, she was going through some personal issues.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Something like that. But she wanted to, I guess, before this, she thought that she would like even jumpstart this whole thing by fasting.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_11]: So she decided that not only was she going to do this like five day camping thing and then do the solo. She's going to fastering it so that she would eventually hallucinate and eventually like crack and she was hoping that nature would speak back to her.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_11]: So I guess it happened. What was what happened is is that the guides split the group up and they sent them to like different areas of the wilderness.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_11]: And they partnered them up. They were like okay, Mike and stop you guys go off into this little area here and then stay away from each other. They go whatever half a mile a mile away.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_11]: And then they had this system where they were like, okay, every day you guys are going to go to this log at a different time.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_11]: And then you're going to put a rock on the log and that way if Mike puts his rock on the log in a certain way, stop scouting no Mike's okay and then stop scouting put his rock on the log.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_11]: And that's how they're going to know. Oh, they're okay. So this lady goes off and you know, she has no clue whatsoever.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_11]: They gave them like these stupid directions to be like, you know, take a left at the small metal and walk for a little while.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. And then the guide basically just was like, go ahead and send themselves off. So

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_11]: One of the campers that was her partner basically, you know, she's moving the rocks on this log.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_11]: And this was to do it every night in every morning. But this chastity never responded after establishing their camp.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_11]: And she eventually attempted to like circumnavigate the other campers site so that she wouldn't disturb the camper.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_11]: But by doing so, chastend it up getting disoriented and walked in the wrong direction from where the communication rocks were.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_11]: So immediately basically like the first time she attempted to go to this log to do a communication rock. She got completely lost.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_11]: And then from there, like she didn't have any of her stuff. Like she basically brought I guess she had her emergency food with her.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_11]: But otherwise, like she lost her camp and grounded couldn't find her. So she eventually, she was already fasting in Hungary.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_11]: And eventually, like the fatigue caught up to her. But she was able to construct like a shelter and she ended up staying out there for four nights.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_11]: And then she also started a small fire. So I guess she did a little bit. She did okay. She had some survived a skills from watching alive and naked and afraid.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_11]: But eventually, like the guy, service like they told the rescue team and they were able to find her.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_11]: But so anyway, that's a slint. That's the latest.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. Definitely coming to a theater in the U up here in the Hampshire. Yeah, but we'll definitely start a company like this if

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And bring us a few bucks huh?

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. And then there's some back and forth between the guide company and the search and rescue team about whether or not she was left out there without, you know, she they were like, well, she had food and she was okay.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_11]: So anyway, apparently she's got some outdoor skills. She has a garment, but she didn't bring it with her because she's like, I got these guides here. I don't need it because they're experts.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Turns out they were idiots.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that is a crazy story.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I love the rock communication. Like stick a rock on a log.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Any indication as to how the weather was when she was out there?

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't say.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean in California, right? California.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: British Columbia. Oh, British Columbia. What are you? Oh, it's, yeah, Sam Miguel.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Never mind. Yep.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so anyway, storm we should try that though. Yeah, let's do it.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Communication rocks ready to go. Can we paint the rocks?

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: No, do you remember that?

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember that?

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember that.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That was all the rage when people were dropping painted rocks on summits and people were getting pissed.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_11]: I found one of those rocks on one of the summits one time.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_11]: That was a painted rock.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's this one hardcore dude that was like, I don't care what you think.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm putting these painted rocks everywhere.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_11]: You remember that guy?

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He would basically, he was doing the 4,000

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Forters and he would need to break.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Right. Right.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_11]: And the bricks were actually cool. Like people were collecting them and they were taking them down.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_11]: People were like, oh, just keep, I would have kept it.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I would have been like, I'm going to keep this one.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_11]: But I found like, I just a kindness rock on the summit.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_11]: And it's just tossed it.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_11]: I tossed it off to summit and I said, no kindness.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: This is not a kind place.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_11]: And the effect I saw a bunch of them at the trailhead at one back.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_11]: And I just left them.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_11]: I was like, yeah, it's there at that.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Somebody else will throw them away.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a fire place up there for good to see.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay. So anyway, that was the story of the hiker that went in the woods to find themselves

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_11]: and then ended up getting lost.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Wonderful.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, we can find yourself stop as at reckless brewing.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have tickets on sale.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Now they're alive.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll give you the link.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You can go to the Instagram link tree and sign up and get your tickets for the full

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Condition show on November 16th.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a full day event.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be hiking and then a live show with us recording and music and tons of guests,

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: comedy, you name it.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Ties going to be there helping out co-hosting.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So check out the Instagram and get your tickets quick because it is actually moving pretty fast.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They will have some overflow in the back with tents and probating heaters and whatnot,

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: but you got to move faster than that one.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Looking forward to hang out with everybody.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be great.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it benefits the NAMP.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Outdoor Council.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The umbrella agency here in the Hampshire that really provides a lot of funding for the volunteers

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: search and rescue teams, instrumental in funding their gear and all kinds of events.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_11]: It'll be a good time looking forward to it.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_11]: And I always get nervous about these public speaking events stop, but I will pull myself together

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_11]: and make it happen.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have some new gear to try out too.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to headphones on and I think I'll actually be sitting right next to you.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to take a shower and put some deodorant on.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, stop got this cool device thing that you can do live drops.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_11]: So we can do the shame drop and we can do some other stuff at the press of a button, right?

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah on the fly.

[00:25:31] Yeah.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I got a couple of sounds I want you to load up and it's going to be a couple of mic buttons just for me to use.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we can do the crickets.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We can do all kinds of stuff.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So, good time.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Very good.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_11]: All right.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_11]: So this last weekend we had flags on the 48th stop.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_11]: So I saw a lot of cool pictures on social media, a lot of people getting up there and getting the flags up.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_11]: And then a couple of years I think we're coming up on this with the 2030 anniversary of 9-11.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_11]: So we get two more years and we'll be the 25th anniversary.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_11]: How hard to believe that it's been that long, but another successful event any comments, any feedback you heard from anybody?

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I was digging in on the website but I did not see an update.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I was most curious to see whether or not they had achieved all 48 peaks.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't find anything.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming they did.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, yeah, I think they got pretty good coverage.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_11]: I saw a bunch of pictures from different summits.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, we had perfect people on hail.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_11]: So I mean, I got to imagine they got all the coverage of people doing hail.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: No major misapps.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Not got a wood.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's excellent.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And the crew up in front of you got up on top of the historical site for the old man too.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a classic.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, another good memorial for that terrible day.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Yep, yep.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_11]: It's a, I can't believe it's in 23 years, Stomp.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's sort of strange.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember exactly where that day.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I was living in Beverly at the time.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: We had a small little three deckerapartment.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We were on the third floor, or second floor.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Got a can you remember now?

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been so long.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I was doing PT in Danvers and when it hit, it was just like, oh, yeah, how about you?

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Were you in town?

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I was working in, I was back then.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I was going to keen consulting and in Charles town.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_11]: And yeah, we, we had our morning meeting.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_11]: We'd have a morning meeting with my boss and he was like, looking at the computer.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, that was our early days like the, but he was like, oh, looks like a plane hit the world trade center.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_11]: I just gone there with my wife.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Like we had eaten at windows of the world and done that stuff because she worked for the marriots.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_11]: So we, we were kind of in that area.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_11]: But she, so he was like, oh, yeah, and we were like, oh, it's probably like a, a sessener,

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_11]: like a small plane.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_11]: And then we had our, we wrapped up our meeting and I think somebody hit said, like, oh, another

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_11]: plane hit the world trade center.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_11]: And that's when I went into the break room.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_11]: And we had those like, those TVs that they used to have in the classrooms, like you would put

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_11]: the VCR in and it had like the big metal thing on wheels there.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Like we had one of those.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_11]: And we turned that on and like, I don't know, I just remember being in the break room with

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_11]: like 20, it was a, you know, it's a tech company and it was like, all guys.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_11]: And basically everyone's trying to figure out what's going on.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_11]: And then the tower's fell and that's when we were all like, all right, it's time to go home.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_11]: And I remember driving home on Route 1 because I went to North Reading because my wife was at her,

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_11]: my mother and father and lost play.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_11]: So she's just pregnant with my oldest.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_11]: And I remember everyone being super nice on the drive.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Like, no, everyone was like letting you in.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Like that was not a Boston thing.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Like everyone's going slow.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_11]: And I remember just listening to the show.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_11]: And right home.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_11]: The nice cities we shot live.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_11]: And then I remember just thinking like, oh, wow, the world's going to change.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_11]: I got a kid on the way and she's going to live a very different life than I did.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_11]: And I was, did come to pass I suppose.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You can see that again.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But back to the duration.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like a, it's an up of a finger.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been 20 plus years.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what the heck?

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_11]: It's crazy. Yeah, crazy. So we're old, stomp.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, no kids.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_11]: But anyway, keep it up.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Keep it in mind for next year.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Flags in the 48 will be here before you even know it.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's right.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_11]: So always a good time.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_11]: All right.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Stomp Matt Morris of a listener sent you a cool link 28.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Talk them and remain little known facts.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we can't get into all of it.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's it's chocolate of all kinds of cool historical

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_02]: tidbits, skiing tidbits and development of the forest.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You name it. So Matt, thanks for sending it along.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a nice little piece.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And there are some things in there like that.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You and I have not even touched up on which it really need.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you, Matt, for the tip.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, there's a couple things I'll call it.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_11]: So talk them and ravines named after botanist Edward Tuckerman,

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_11]: who studied alpine plants and like and during the summers from 1837 to 1853.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_11]: His name was linked to the ravine around 1848 when artists

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_11]: God Free Frankenstein, who I'm assuming maybe that's a guy named after Frankenstein.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Although maybe not produced a painting titled,

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Mount Washington over Tuckerman's ravine.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_11]: They tell the story about the he mentions the story about Henry David Thuros

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_11]: visiting Tuckerman ravine.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_11]: We did a section on that.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Spraying designacle and had all kinds of issues.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Talks about the first person to ski on Mount Washington.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Dr. Wiscott from Breslo, Germany in 1899.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Talks a lot about the different ski things.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Traditions as a woman in Mary Bird is likely the first woman to ski over the head

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_11]: while in 1836 and she was one of the best female races of the day who would learn

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_11]: to ski from high and Schneider ski school and Saint Anton.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. So that's pretty cool.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_11]: And yeah, the rest of the easy.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_11]: It's fun facts.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah, we'll include this in the show notes.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_11]: There's some good stuff in here.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Following along in the history thing,

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: we have old home day.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, get all my information now.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I like Mad River coffee shop.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I look at the bullet and board to the left as you go into this coffee shop

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's all kinds of cool stuff.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just noticed this flyer up there from the camp and old camp and historical.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Dot org.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the camp and historical society.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're having an old home day on September Saturday, September 28th.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is from tentative to live music.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: All kinds of crazy stuff.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The camp and fire department will be there.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Side or press harps record.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You name it.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a classic small time town little thing.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But I dug a little deeper into the camp and historical dot org website.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Just a listeners know.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They do events year round.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And some of our previous guests have actually gone there and spoken like Dave Gavatsky,

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: who is at the White Mountain National Forest Museum in Plymouth.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Once a month they'll do a special talk.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's all kinds of stuff.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like range the wild woods, lagers, songs and stories.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You name it.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Silent movies.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's sort of cool.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just fun thing to do.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Keep a lookout and local interest.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I love that stuff.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_11]: That's great.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_11]: We put that in the show notes of people to check it out.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_11]: It's good stuff.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Alright, stop.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_11]: So last week we had a, we, we had said that there was somebody that was going to be attempting

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_11]: the, so stop has invented this lodge to dodge root in the white mountain.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_11]: So it's basically like the, the, the lodge at Musalake all the way to Joe Dodge.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_11]: But you got to, you got to hit all the huts as well.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_11]: It's a little bit harder than an arch.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_11]: And then come down Joe Dodge.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_11]: So, um, is it Joe?

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Does that, is it?

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the first thing I was calling him Judo.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But his name is Judo.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's Judo.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: A code according to his Instagram handle.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, John.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So sorry about that.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_11]: So, but, yeah, he, he started.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_11]: He, he did the dodge section first and then it was going down to Musalake.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_11]: It was a large, but what happened, Stomp?

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_11]: So you, did you go out to eat it?

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, dude.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, since some like the, the creator of this crazy stupid thing.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to have to.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like when people hit me up and they're like, hey, I'm going to give it a shot.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Larson gave me a heads up and then I got an email from John.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There's, there have been others.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But he was starting at two in the morning.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So by the time I got settled down, it was pretty much, I don't know.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I went to bed at 10 woke up at midnight and made it, made it to think about doing

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: the morning.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Got two hours sleep.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Was there anybody else around besides John?

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: No, nobody.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm walking around trying to find them.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I went up to the Joe Dodge lodge, nobody.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I went down to the basement and there were three people sleeping on mats in the basement of

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Pinkham, you know, that, that, that sort of property.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You could do that?

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know if you can't enough, but they were or some people were.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_02]: One 55 a.m.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a big bustle and all the people come over and, you know,

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, you tap it.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The traditional tap on the wall of the hut and they were often running.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So he was moving.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I was following the track most of the day and I don't know.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like every hour I would check, he would be two or three mountains past further along on the

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Presidentials.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It was incredible.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he made it up and over the AZ trail up into Zeeland.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He got to, you know, self-twin,

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he was going to go down towards the Gail Head.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And then like around 647 p.m.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, I see that a hard right at Garfield down Garfield trail.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, oh, something's up.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And that just kept on continuing up until about 842 and it just stopped in downtown Twins.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So I ultimately would happen.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He just, it wasn't a serious medical condition, but just he was uncomfortable enough to say,

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah, it's not a good idea.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So he pulled the plug.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He had like 21 miles left to do to what it crushed it.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's going to chip on his shoulder.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to do it again sometime for sure.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, yeah, yeah.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_11]: And what's the thing you have to do within 24 hours?

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Is that a no.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_11]: No, no.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_11]: You do it whenever.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: No, this all kinds of variations now.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Some people like to hit like Steve Mason.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He went to he went to southbound Dodge to Lodge and did all the summits.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the first time he tried it, he was going northbound and he had the same thing just

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: like sort of bonked out got a little on trail.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And it happens.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's super super vigorous for your body.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, this is whatever you do what you do.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the main point is that you do hit the huts and that you're starting at either ravine

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_02]: or Joe Dodge Lodge and ravine being ravine Lodge at Musilak.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there are those quirky little things that you have to do.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you come out of Osgood on to route 16 off the presidentials and you have to do the

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: wild cats.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then at the other end, you have to do Musilak.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So those are those two sort of mandatory things before you finish.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: 76 miles it's a beast.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, I know doubt about it.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_11]: So yeah, maybe he'll go back at it.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah, if any listeners are out there and they want to do another.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_11]: They want to take a shot at it.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Let us know, well, we'll meet you out there and I'll show you one.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, the only two people who have done it are Steve Mason and Larsen or

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Jala.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So pretty cool.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Any who?

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_11]: So that's very good.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_11]: It's not so what's going on with foliage.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I got out and I'll talk about this in a little bit but there was definitely the leaves

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_11]: are changing in the great golf.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_11]: So what do you see in there?

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I bet because that's a little further north up there.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: At the southern tip of the whites here, I think it's mostly, I don't know, maybe 10%

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: 10%, 15%.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We have this foliage tracker that will provide the link for and they're saying that.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically quote unquote some statewide.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's pretty accurate.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think that's about right.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I do wonder how vivid or not vivid it will be.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But we shall see.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to say.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, I got some good looks last weekend.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_11]: So I got to imagine it's probably pretty good.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_11]: I was going to go to Maine this weekend and Mrs. Mike decided that she doesn't want to go to Maine.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_11]: So I'm like, well, really? What about me?

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_11]: What about me? I'm like it's foliage season.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_11]: So pretty dry up on Sunday.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. I was going to go up to Grathon, Natch, maybe I'll still well but we'll see.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, it's still a little early for the foliage but.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Anyway, all right stop.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Are you training for the rescue me 5k that's coming up on November 9th?

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: No man, you know why?

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Going to be Manning the microphone.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be hosting that baby.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, so I can't run. I have to host.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You can run but you're going to have to do a mic drop and just book it.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I can do that.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you can do that.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that'll be really cool too if you just drop the mic at the starting bell and just run.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I literally dropped the mic.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Those mic will handle it.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we're talking about the rescue me 5k.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the annual fundraiser for the Lake's Region Search and Rescue team.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's in Lincoln, the Hampshire on November 9th, right early in the morning.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: What is it? A 5k?

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 5k, which is what? Three minutes.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Yep, 3.1, 3.1, 3.1, 3.1.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And this helps Lake's Region Search and Rescue team with purchasing equipment, training, operational costs.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great time. There'll be plenty of conservation officers running as well from District 2.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And let's see, last year of this year they're capping at a 450 people.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's really, it's grown to quite a really cool event.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And then after there's an award ceremony, I believe it will be at one love brewery.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So we hope to see you there. We're just going to be grabbing the mic and just announce some people and you know,

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: National Lands and Anthem and stuff like that. Oh, there you go, Mike. You can do the National Land.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, no, I wouldn't do that, Chastas.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Wouldn't ever be invited back.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_11]: All right, yeah. So this is I'm excited for this. This will be good time.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Always great to get out to Lincoln and enjoy the day.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_11]: So next up here, stop.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_11]: We talk about this some kind of time on the podcast, but this name changes.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Occasionally, like the government will decide that they're going to change the name.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_11]: I think the most recent one was,

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Mount McKinley, the most recent big one was Mount McKinley got changed back to Denali.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Is that right?

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know. I think so. I don't know.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't think so at some point. Anyway, so on the Appalachian Trail, the highest point on the Appalachian Trail is a summit called

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Cling them in stone and recently, Clingman's dome has been renamed to what Cherokee native American representatives indicate was a original name, which is

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Kouhou.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Kouhou high.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_11]: So the US Board of Geographic names voted in favor of the request submitted by the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_11]: to change the name of Clingman's dome to Kouhou.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_11]: So that is official now, so the government has changed it.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_11]: I guess the Kouhou means mulberry place in Cherokee language, which we know language that is.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_11]: So that's it. The Cherokee people lived in that area until they were forced to be relocated to Oklahoma and what's called

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_11]: the trail of tears. Right? Right. So, yeah.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_11]: So that's good. I guess this is unique because the Clingman, the guy that was named after was a, he was a, he was a senator from North Carolina

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_11]: and then he eventually became a general or a commander of the Confederate army.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_11]: So yeah, controversial. Okay. So I feel like I don't, I don't feel much sympathy for him if he was a Confederate general.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_11]: So too bad. Yeah.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting. A lot of these name changes going on lately.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, proposals. I mean, I always think about like the presidential range, but I think it's a little bit different.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Like it seems like Cherokee Indians were in this area. They texted actually did go on the mountain and they lived in that area.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. I think in the white mountains from my view, like there's definitely Native Americans, not a huge population.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_11]: And my understanding is they didn't go into the mountains and I do, you know, in some ways I just feel like okay, well, the, the history of how the names got selected.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_11]: They're really, you could make the argument in Mount Washington that I, I, I, I'd say it's shook.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_11]: But that no, I don't think there's any evidence that any Native Americans were looking at that particular peak and calling it, I'd say it shook.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_11]: I think that there was just a general name of what the mountains and the region were.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I respect the spiritual awareness and whatnot.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. We'll see, but there's definitely like there's, there's a small group of activists in the hamster that do push every couple years to change Mount Washington.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_11]: All right. So we'll see. And I mean, I, a lot of people call it Agia Chuck and that's cool on everything, but I think they can live side by side.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Of course. Yep.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_10]: We all know that hiking a mountain can be hard at times. So here's a corny dad joke to help you get over it. But I'm about.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Times are changing and now is part of the show where we do a dad joke.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_11]: It's not, how to moths swim.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_11]: How to moths swim.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the butterfly. So did I do this joke? No, I'm just a genius in that jokes.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_11]: That's the first time you've actually gotten this. So why did the nurse need a red pen?

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_11]: I have an idea in case she needed to drop blood. Oh, there you go. Drop blood. I get it.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Good on thunt. It's cool. So oh, good. All right. Not pressed up.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That was okay.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_11]: All right. So moving on here, stop.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Coffee donations. Part of the show where we talked about coffee donations.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Let's go. So if you want to support the podcast, go to the by me coffee off of the link tree on Instagram. We have three donations this week.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Susan from the C Coast donated three. Thank you Susan.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Tyler in the woods 29 donated five.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And Warren we lock donated five coffees as well. So that's it. That's a really busy week for coffee donations and we really appreciate it.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And thank you. I think you're almost paying off your gold teeth, right? You're going to get your grill, your gold grill.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. I have one gold teeth in the back.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_11]: No, I'm not.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I'll cover that in my own. So it's great. All right. Stop.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Are we just a sponsor? What is it?

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It is. Yeah. We're just helping out. We're just getting the word out for this. It's pretty important. So what a

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: little athletic and improvement is hosting a wilderness first aid. And so when hiking accidents can happen,

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: listening to this podcast, have you wondered what you would do if you came upon an injured hiker,

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: or if you were your hiking buddy got injured? You can attend a solo wilderness first aid class on Saturday,

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: November 2nd and 3rd in the Waterville Valley.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We will provide the registration link. And yeah, that's it. That's a great thing to know.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It always comes in handy when you're least expected. You can also email them to at wva.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: IA trails and the number two at gmail.com.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. Well, include all that in our show notes.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, man. So you're not drinking anything. I'm still exploring these hard ciders.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So I have a storm along, which is my favorite. I love it. And it's a pag punch, which is let's see 5.8%

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's pomegranate mixed. Oh, yeah, passion fruit, blood orange, tangerine and guava mixed in this fancy. Oh, it's so good.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And what I found about this is it's non-gluten. So I don't get the upset stomach when I drink this stuff, which is really refreshing.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_11]: So there you go. Great. Great. You think you like, do you have like an allergy to gluten do you think?

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: If I, yeah, I can say with your amount of certainty that I do, you should get tested.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I mean, after 54 years on this planet, I think I've got to dial down pretty good.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when I drink beer or like a vodka or something like that, it definitely blotes my gut feeling.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Absolutely. Yep. Yeah. All right. Well, stop is getting old and he's got ailments, but he's got him under control.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_11]: So getting long in the tune.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. Our next week I will be back with a beer.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_11]: All right. Yeah. I haven't drank a beer in like a while. So see, or it's something now we're talking about recent hikes.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I did get out and did a recent hike, but why don't you start with your most recent hike?

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Let's go. So like I just snuck out of work a little early today at a couple of cancellations, which is what always happens in the medical field unfortunately.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So I went back to where Mr. Stomp and I went recently. It was eagle cliff and it's in sandwich and it's on the eastern side of the sandwich traverse, which it's more or less adjacent to Morgan Perseval on the other side of the list.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And we went up the point five to the viewpoint. It was absolutely amazing, but you can go another two miles through a bunch of pudds, which are purposeless ups and downs for new listeners.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's two miles over to Redhill Fire Tower. And I wanted to connect those to so I had the opportunity and I tackled it and it was really nice.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: There's nobody on trail. I was by myself open woods. It's a very wide ridge traverse and there's maybe you know the same thing 10% of the leaves of falling. So you get a little bit of that coming in now.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I was actually surprised the ascent. You go up maybe another hundred feet past the first cliff and then you have another high point and then you drop a couple hundred feet,

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: then you go up a couple hundred feet, but the last ascent up to Redhill Fire Tower itself was probably a good 500 foot elevation. Some of it really steep some of it not, but it's only like two or three scrambles.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Stomp is a little lary about that, but it was actually very gentle that the trails themselves are sparse with boulders and rocks. It's mostly just gravel dirt. So it's a beautiful time.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, it's a big fire tower. Fire tower. Oh my god. You climb all the way up. Yes. Yeah. They close it in the winter for safety but right now it's 360 you get a view of, you know, to core all the way over to God knows I think you can see some of the whites, friend, go into your ridge squads. You get a Robert shot and all that stuff.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great. Great time and then yeah, so it was five miles total. Yeah, looks cool. I definitely want to check that out someday. Yeah. Then of course I drove back by seeing which not to road my favorite road. Oh God, it's so much fun.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_11]: To coma ate that up. Yeah, it was a good time. Nice. All right. So I got out to the great golf. So Jake and my friends, Jake Peter and Steve from the Cape had done an overnight at Osgood 10 site because Peter is he's about 89% on his red line at this point. So he had to get the Chandler Brook trail to close out the great golf.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. So I was like, I was weary about my malt situation but I had, I was like, I think I can deal with it. So I met them on Sunday morning. So I stopped at the great golf trail got out and just solo hike out to Osgood met them as they were just getting there.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_11]: They just had summit packs so they left the tent, tent stuff at the platform and then we just did a hike up the great golf trail.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_11]: And then turned up Chandler Brook. I'd never been on that side. I have not done Chandler Brook or Wamsuda. Right. So yeah, but Chandler Brook was interesting. It's.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_11]: So I think it's about four miles in or so. So you go over the bridge cut across Madison golf and then stay on the great golf trail, but it's before you get to six husbands.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Chandler Brook cuts over on the left and we went up and it's really like climbing like right next to a waterfall. Like this is just it's just a straight train is super steep.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Does it come out at four mile mark? Is that I think it somewhere right out of the four mile mark? Yeah, I got the auto road. I saw that when I was exploring that old carriage road.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, super cool. So it comes out. So it's like you climb to about, um, it's steep. It's so it's about a 1200 foot climb.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_11]: I think from the base of the great golf way you get the trail up to the top. Yeah, but probably it like and there's a couple of water crossing. So if it's running hot in the spring like you I don't think you'd be able to get across the the Brook.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, which could be a problem because you do need to get over on the left hand side.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know how that works and when it's running hot because it would be definitely a dangerous river crossing there.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_11]: But it's very steep around 3700 feet it opens up to like a rock, a bunch of rock slides. And then you get these really cool views that look straight out into like Jefferson and you can see Adam slide and the whole deal.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_11]: And then there's a bunch of different, you know we probably spent half hour or so just chilling out in those that area just looking at different views and the foliage was starting to change.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_11]: And you can hear the auto road and you can hear people parked up on the auto road on the other side where it comes out.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_11]: And I don't think people realize like they could literally just hike down that little trail like five minutes and have the most unbelievable views and they wouldn't even feel like they were in on their road.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting, that's great to know.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and then we went down we just hike down the auto road to Madison Gulf Peter had to close out that last section of Madison Gulf that connects with the Great Gulf from the auto road

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_11]: And then we went back to Osgood and they packed up and we hiked out. I did have a beer because I stashed some beers in the river and I did have I had a half a beer and it was struggling to drink it.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_11]: That's great. Good idea cold water. Yeah, yeah, oh it stayed they stayed cold so yeah that's super cool nice we're both getting out.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and it was a you know it was it was 13 miles but it was like a chill 13 miles which really only 3000 feet of elevation. Yeah, yeah.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This weekend I'm going out to see 20 more pilots in Boston with my daughters and assistant and then the weekend after we're doing the captain with Dave.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Dave blanks in the woods and not be open and invite for that still if you want to go but that's going to be pretty cool.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be out of town that weekend unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, well, I found a I don't know if I mentioned this but I found like a thing was like 30 bucks or something this car carrier or bike carrier for the back of it's like a baby carrier.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to use it to transport everything attached it to the bikes and go up. We'll give you a report on Sawyer see how that road is it's still closed don't fall in. Yeah, yeah.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_11]: All right cool but that'll be fun. I get I'm getting out on Sunday somewhere and I go up to graph to notch and do I've been do I've been thinking about bald paint for a while I might go up there because I figured the foliage is going to be a little

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_02]: better up north so yeah get out with Mrs. Stump 2 but we if we just found this cheap kayak so now we can go out and kayak so we might go explore some local ponds or something something different you know.

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[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, it's that time of the week here notable listener hike of the week if you want to tag slash on your adventure to be considered for hike of the week do so

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And this week we have several let's see. Jude hikes the whites. Hight north and south handcocks for flags on the 48.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Dave hikes and bikes as a new name I think did Mussolak with Austin and Austin is a young gentleman who crushed it apparently.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Meg's o6-8-2 like to mount Mansfield and that's in Vermont correct. Yes correct yeah that's right. Okay that friggin hiker bagged 24 out of the neamsure 48 4000 footers and it was Mount Mariah via the rattle river.

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a different approach for that mountain. That's good to see a little variation there.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah that's rattle river shintap and I've done rattle river on shellburn mariah but that's a great trail because it's pretty flat for most of the way in so if you like a nice level approach before the up then it's great to go.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see hiking fees my soul miles the dog finished 100 peaks of Mariah completing both the neamsure 48 4000 footers and in the 52 with a view peaks.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_11]: That's a lot of lullawking for a dog. It is and you know what miles also rocks a slasher patch on his arm on his harness too.

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_11]: He's basically a lock to win this this week.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow they know how to massage the hosts. Yes carry burrow tackled them a hoosic traverse and according to her post it seems like it was quite psychological and physical challenge.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Good job that's epic. Folks star let's see finished the new England 67 on Mount Katadon nice work.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Nourak 492 climbed snow cups uptick to finish the New England 100 highest after three days in Maine. I don't even know what the hell that is but it sounds epic and then finally Sharon Hikes and writes finished the 48 4000 footers in the Hampshire on bonklift after a 10 year journey epic.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it takes that long sometimes people crush it in two years sometimes it takes 30 years doesn't matter it's just a personal journey for everybody.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_11]: All right so Judy awesome job for flags showed out honorable mansion carry burrow gets an honorable mansion music traversal jet but I get so many people finish in this week so obviously like miles the dog and.

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_11]: The old man who is a huge shout out it miles is a boxer. Yes yeah good looking boxer so definitely gets a notable hike for finishing the 48 and 52 but then folks star the 67 on Katadon that's in New Rack finished the new any 100 highest.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_11]: And then Sharon Hike and right finished the 48 so they're all everyone's a winner stop.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, becoming a trend. It is so that everyone's like I don't think it's this time of the year everyone's finishing their lists.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah no kidding yeah well so everybody's a winner everybody's a winner that listens to this show.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know who else is a winner stop Adam Hoyt Adam Hoyt is certainly a winner.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he's a winner on social media. The guy's got a huge following so he was nice enough to sit down with us this week to talk a little bit about his background so why don't we go into that segment and then we'll come on on the other side and talk about searching rescue let's do it.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_10]: It's time for slasher's guest of the week very cool very cool.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Alright I'm gonna hit record here yep oh shit. Recorder to oh he must have pressed the exit button.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Whoops.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he must have pressed the wrong button or something who knows.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh man idiot I instead of recording it leaves it.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_11]: We're leaving that into this.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_11]: We're leaving that that's beautiful.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_11]: That was a whipsy hi I left instead of record but we are recording now Adam so welcome to the sounds like a searching rescue podcast you really made it to the big time now.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_09]: I feel quite honored you know haven't been rescued myself but I feel like I'm in good company.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh so we're gonna talk about this like you almost needed a rescue I was cringing in the moment but like you had an incident that like freaked me they all out.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_11]: And freak me out as well.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_11]: I can only imagine so we'll get into that shortly but but stop like he's probably like out of all the guests we've ever had he's got like the amazing microphone and he was like I'll record my own audio.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Like me never came prepared yes it's almost like I may content I was gonna say for a living but that's not true.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I spent too much time on it that's for sure.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah definitely so welcome Adam so we had we had already done an intro in the intro to the show but just a little bit of a

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_11]: background for the listener so Adam is a social media influencer content creator that has a large falling across the YouTube

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Instagram and TikTok I think it's pretty evenly distributed across those three platforms from maybe TikTok's a little less but yeah I think the most you play it's funny.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_09]: The in terms of like the views and followers I think it's way more on Instagram but it is still sizable on YouTube and it reminds me when I do like go out and hike for whatever reason the people who say hi.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_09]: They specifically seem to be the YouTube viewers so they're there I don't know if they're the more die hard ones but like people are seeing them and it keeps me motivated to like.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Keep up with all the different places I post and not just focus on one of the other because people are apparently enjoying all the different versions.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah yeah and I think I first became aware of you see TikTok I do like my I like my TikTok and you always start your your episodes like have you heard about this yeah I always ask the question that's one of my strategies.

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah it's good and then it's not so much for us become aware of Adam you this is your idea to connect with him right.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Well yeah well going back to YouTube I think YouTube is becoming more of a research tool so for Mr. Stoppin my table rock approach your video came up for.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The climbers trail and this and that we can talk about that later and then also for six husband so.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Your videos came up prominently and then the quality of your videos stuck and then we started digging and using you for research for hike so.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That's when I reached out to you I think it was Instagram and it's funny with Instagram.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You get one shot for some folks so you have to type in a message and then if they accept it great if not then yeah move on.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And you responded so that was really cool so yeah because I when the community what most people don't know is I usually do read a lot of those things whether or not we're spawned that that's the other question because it's like.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_09]: At the end of the day you know all those things you were saying about me I was very nice but at the end of the day sometimes I just feel myself as a guy who still likes to just go hike and so sometimes that can be overwhelming but I do appreciate all of the messages and that anyone even bothers to watch any of the stuff that I make.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_09]: But it's nice that they are.

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_09]: That like you said you use them as guides and especially the YouTube videos that's what they were always meant to be to like this is what it looked like for me and especially six husbands of those tougher trails.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Those ones I know people would really want to know what they're getting themselves into and I try and like show especially the.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_09]: The parts that you'd be most nervous about.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they're interesting for me that's why I've like doing those ones.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's great. We'll dig into some of your the details of your content but why don't we start off with you and you just introduce yourself to the listeners give a little bit of background on yourself so that.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_11]: We can understand sort of how you got into hiking and content.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Sure, so my name is Adam Adam Hoyt as my all my channels go by so I grew up in upstate New York that's where I'm originally from and right now as an adult I'm currently living just outside Boston mass where I work.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_09]: But I have had a large connection to New Hampshire because my family and extended family we had a cabin up north of Berlin, New Hampshire.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_09]: So what's kind of funny about my origin story even though I grew up in Rochester, New York.

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I've never technically hiked in the atarondex because we would go vacation at the cabin in New Hampshire and hiked growing up in New Hampshire for most of my life doing random hikes here and there that my parents had picked out though.

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_09]: It did start kind early some of these bigger extreme hikes because the first time I submitted Washington with my family was I think it was 12 that back in like 2002.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_09]: We bit off more than we could chew on that one because luckily we took quite a good advantage of the auto road because my family hiked up it took us like seven or eight hours and we begged the guys with the van to drive us back down.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_09]: So it started off a little slow but I always enjoyed it on that.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I always enjoyed hiking throughout different parts of my life hiking in different places.

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I used to live in Tucson, Arizona so I would hike around there on Mount Lemon different places.

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_09]: I would go travel abroad. I would look for one or two hikes but like the big like more focus on hiking started only happening in the pandemic when I started making the content and the videos because it kind of gave me motivation to try new trails.

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And one of the origin stories of like it was I had always heard of the New Hampshire 48 but I had never bothered like I'd hiked a few 48ers here and there throughout my life, but I'd never made a concerted effort to actually try and do it.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And so that was like a natural place to start off like oh if I'm going to start filming hikes what do I do I know I'll make my way through this list and I'll record it as I go and then I just as will I'm sure talk later.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Some of you you find all these lists and all these different places to go and it's been a good motivation and inspiration for me to keep going but that's like where it started I'd say.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah are you primary at day hiker do you do backpacking overnight things in the woods as well?

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_09]: So I mostly just personally do day hiking like I said we have I have access to that cabin and when it comes to at least.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I started making the videos it's just logistically simpler for me to do a day hike and sometimes some of these ones I've been doing recently they actually take more than one day to film so I will like just hike more than one day in a row and it'll look like I hiked it on the same day if I wasn't filming it would it would take only one day but I think in the future.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I do see an aspect of our natural progression to do a backpacking video or go on a first backpacking trip but I guess at the end of the day what I thought when I first started making this channel is I had never gone backpacking before.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_09]: But in my mind the majority of people in the world have not gone backpacking and I viewed and then if we go into more into content stretch but basically I wanted my guide to be for the people who have day jobs and want to go exploring on the weekends.

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And there's infinite day hike trails that they could want to explore and they don't have to go into these big extreme multi day backpacks because the number of people I view doing that is a little bit smaller but.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Though that would be fun to take that next step eventually.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, that's fair and then so you so if I'm understanding this so you had early hiking experience when the pandemic hit you will kind of like a many of us like looking for something to keep you busy and hiking wasn't actually.

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Was it the was the idea for the social media in the content creation the primary motivator or were you did you start hiking and then decide afterwards that you so.

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_09]: So I was always into hiking the way I would describe it is more like in the pandemic we were really bored at the beginning and I was just watching a whole lot of Netflix and my roommates at the time they had these hobbies that they had that were like.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_09]: At the end of the day they'd look back and they had built something or had something to show for it and I didn't want to come out of the pandemic and just said well I watched everything they published on Netflix.

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_09]: So Tiger King was over and then yeah, it's a get away.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_09]: So basically I was like I also watched YouTube that I grew up watching YouTube and I liked to watch YouTube and so the idea became.

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And at the time I'm also I forgot to mention I'm an engineer by training and that's what I do in my day job and so also at that time.

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Because of the nature of my type of engineering I'm a manufacturing engineer which means I'm usually in the factory where things are being built and so at those beginning time with the pandemic while a lot of people were staying home.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I also had to be at the factory and never went home and so it was just a lot of going to work all the time and I didn't really feel like I had a creative outlet as an engineer.

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_09]: And so it became well I want to build something from scratch that's a little more creative.

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I know I'll make a YouTube channel okay what do I make it about?

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_09]: I know I like to hike out let's focus on something I already like a little bit and just take it to 11 instead of making something and learning two things at once.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_09]: It's hard enough to learn how to make YouTube videos and edit and all these things on top of learning another hobby.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Let's let's just expand the one I already have and so that's where it kind of started.

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Can I have a question.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well you were in Boston at the time for 2020.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah I'm in the same time.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah right around Boston.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha so what was your what was your perception on the whole stay home stay low and local you recall all that stuff I mean what did you get a chilly reception coming north.

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean what was it like you living in Boston?

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't remember going on hikes and doing that part of it.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't remember it be I just feel like I thought it would be less busy than it was because I think everyone was getting outside and so it was like.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_09]: There was a lot of people out there but I don't remember feeling any receptions like that it was just everyone was out there and trying to have fun and so long ago now it's hard for me to even remember.

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah people feel like it was longer than it was my recollection was it was basically like from March of 2020 up until like maybe July and then once July hit it was like everybody just.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh totally yeah.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_11]: So with the so we sort of had a similar situation when we were at least the podcast so we started I think early in the pandemic and we were just sort of like you know we talked about doing this and we don't we put the podcast out on a weekly basis and we just we didn't know who's going to grow I always thought like oh we'll get five listeners and you know my mother and my wife will listen and then we'll.

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Look back and say remember that time we tried to start this podcast now we're like almost 175 episodes in or whatever and it we get some success so.

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_11]: How did you go about growing your your social media channels and how long did it take you to get to the point where you're like yeah this is actually getting some traction so it took.

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_09]: It actually took a long time and it was slow growing and it's not how many many people think I think well I think some people may.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Think that like one day I just appeared and that is kind of true because what ended up happening was like I said I've started on YouTube and that was very slow going finding the audience.

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Learning like when I first started it was kind of like I'm just going to go on hikes and I'm going to make the videos and I didn't really have a strategy I was just like I'm going to record.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_09]: The hikes that I'm doing and then I discover stuff like terrifying 25 and it's like oh those are the ones people seem most interested in for whatever reason and so and then it was.

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_09]: So that was slow going trying to post it in different places where people might appreciate it and view it as guides.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And then I did at one point made friends with Taylor than the Hampshire hiker who I'd recommend if you had not done an episode with her it might be fun to do one with her but basically we.

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Early on in my within a couple months of starting.

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_09]: One of the first big breaks I got was that she invited me to go on a hike and we did one together and at the time because she was making.

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like I'm just going to do that.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like I'm just going to do that.

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_09]: to the steepest mile on the Appalachian Trail,

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_09]: all of a sudden you tap into another audience.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_09]: So that's an interesting way to look at it

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_09]: because the appalachian trail goes by here.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, if I make videos about sections of it,

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_09]: even though I'm not actually hiking the full thing,

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_09]: those videos have other appeal

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_09]: because there's other interest in that.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_09]: So it slowly grows over time.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And then it was only actually last year

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_09]: when I had a little more free time

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_09]: that we're talking this years of making the YouTube videos.

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And it had decent success, but not too big,

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_09]: that I finally listened to my brother

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_09]: and he's like, make the short videos.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_09]: So all I basically did was I took three years

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_09]: of a backlog of YouTube videos

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_09]: and I edited them into small videos

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and posted them.

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's when things seem to really explode

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_09]: because all of my Instagram followers are just

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_09]: since May of last year, which is much, much faster

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_09]: than anything I ever made.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's been quite different.

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_09]: So it feels like it was a slow build up

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_09]: and then all of a sudden the damn broke

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_09]: if that makes sense.

[01:14:51] Yeah.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I know that makes sense.

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_11]: In YouTube's interesting,

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_11]: like I'm obsessed with there,

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_11]: I watch this channel called Miami Boat Ramps

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's all it is is just a guy

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_11]: that does eight to 10 minute videos

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_11]: of people docking and undocking

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_11]: or taking their boats on and off trailers

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_11]: at a boat ramp in Miami

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's like the most entertaining thing

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_11]: you could imagine.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_11]: So and you sort of error in that sweet spot

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_11]: with the YouTube as well.

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_11]: It's like eight to 15 minute videos

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_11]: is that it's what I learned.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's what I had to learn

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_09]: is that YouTube is great

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_09]: in that if they give you so much data.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_09]: If you were to watch my very first video,

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_09]: it's I find it very cringe.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_09]: It's like almost 30 minutes long.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Half the video is me telling you what happened

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_09]: in the video which it's like,

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_09]: just let it speak for itself.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_09]: So I had to learn that over time

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_09]: of like, hey, people don't seem to be watching this stuff.

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_09]: I'll do less of that and more of the hike

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_09]: or I think that first video.

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_09]: It took two to three minutes to even get to the hiking footage.

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what I was rambling about before it started.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_09]: So you just learn those things slowly over time

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_09]: and then I also realize the things that I prefer

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_09]: is I'm not so much into the gear.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm more into the like,

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_09]: hey, here's a cool place to go

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_09]: when I figured out the like,

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_09]: oh, what if I made a top 10 video?

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_09]: That wasn't what I was originally doing

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_09]: and some of those ones they're like my best videos

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_09]: because they don't go viral,

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_09]: but the 10 best waterfalls the hike and Massachusetts

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_09]: will always be relevant.

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And those just crank out consistent views

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_09]: every single day for years.

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_09]: And so that is like another one of my bread and butter

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_09]: that I've viewed as like,

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_09]: if I make those videos,

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_09]: maybe they don't like pop right now

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_09]: but they should be more evergreen

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_09]: and just kind of go over time

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_09]: and so it's like been a slow build.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, so in that sort of stop talks about

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_11]: it was like people are doing,

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_11]: when people get to the point where they're in hiking,

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_11]: they start doing research.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_11]: You come up in a lot of those areas

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_11]: and I think the one thing I like about YouTube videos

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_11]: is that even if it's a 10 minute video

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_11]: and you're doing a hike up like Mount Flume

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_11]: like you seem to be able to pick out,

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_11]: there's all the trails generally look similar

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_11]: at some point but you seem to be able to pick out

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_11]: the five or six like highlights of each trail

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_11]: and do your walkthrough and call them out

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_11]: which is good.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_11]: And I think it's appreciated

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_11]: because you're calling out to tricky parts for people.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's what I try and do.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_09]: I've gotten a lot better at that of knowing,

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_09]: especially like the terrifying hikes,

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_09]: the terrifying 25 trails that I do

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_09]: and make the videos for those ones are kind of easier

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_09]: in that a normal hike,

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, the highlight of the hike might be

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_09]: the view at the top or the summit

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_09]: and what I like personally also about those terrifying videos

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_09]: is not only as they're usually a summit in a view,

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_09]: there's like a built-in feature, the slide, the scramble.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_09]: So there's almost like two parts in the video

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_09]: that people are most interested in that I found.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_09]: And it also helps break it up as halfway through the video.

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_09]: It's like, okay, here's the interesting scramble.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, whether or not it's actually terrifying,

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_09]: that's in the eye of the holder

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_09]: but it's at least like a highlight.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a little more interesting.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_09]: And I know when I did cap's ridge like that,

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_09]: one scramble, it's like, okay,

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm gonna spend extra time filming here

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_09]: and I know it'll be more of the video

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_09]: because that's like the part people are here for

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_09]: and not the boring green tunnel through the trees

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_09]: to get there necessarily.

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_09]: And so knowing what to include,

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I've got better over time of showing that.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I felt like.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and you do a fair amount of these sort of walkthrough videos

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_11]: where you'll place a camera on a tripod

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_11]: and then walk away from it or walk towards it.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Do you ever get self-conscious about that?

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Like I always feel like you've done a few of those types

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_11]: of things but I get self-conscious.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm like, I hope nobody comes and take the camera

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_09]: sort of thing?

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, like, because usually no one is there

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_09]: or I'm like started so early in the day

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_09]: or the time that someone is overlapping with me

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_09]: is very short and I only more get self-conscious

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_09]: if I feel like I've inconvenienced someone

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_09]: like the cameras in the way.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_09]: And literally it's at the point where sometimes

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_09]: people don't care and they'll just walk around my camera

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_09]: and ruin quote unquote ruin the shot.

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's fine, I do want to,

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I usually try and wait to make sure the people are gone

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_09]: and I can usually hear them coming

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_09]: because not only do I not want them,

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I want to give the illusion that I'm there myself.

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_09]: If I can hear them, I also want the illusion

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_09]: that it sounds like nature.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_09]: So usually I can hear people chatting before they get there

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_09]: so I know oh I'll wait for them to go by

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_09]: and then I can do my thing.

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Because that's the last thing I want to do is

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_09]: inconvenience anybody.

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_09]: So but certain trails, I know ahead of time

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_09]: that's like besides the like is the trail harder not.

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_09]: There are certain trails and the whites,

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_09]: especially that are particularly busy for whatever reason.

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_09]: So like when they did cap's ridge trail,

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I only filmed that one, I got a day off of work

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_09]: because I knew I couldn't do it on a Saturday or Sunday

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_09]: because that's the most popular trail to Jefferson

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_09]: and it would be the hardest part would be just like

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_09]: not inconveniencing anyone finding a time

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_09]: to make it look like I was the only one there,

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_09]: especially on the scramble.

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_09]: So that was actually the hardest part about that one,

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_09]: which is not what many people would think

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_09]: at least in making the video.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's interesting and then I did some research.

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Stop does nothing.

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I do all the work around here.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_11]: I did a bunch of research.

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_11]: So there's a couple of videos so there's a video

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I can throw up that's it's one of your early videos

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_11]: get to know you where you answer a bunch of different questions.

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_11]: One thing I will tell you is I'm a WPI dad.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_11]: So yeah, right so go goats.

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_11]: And then those some interesting info on there.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_11]: We kind of covered some of the ground

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_11]: about your work and your early life and stuff like that.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_11]: So that's an interesting video check out.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_11]: But the one that cracked me up

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_11]: and I have a story to follow up with is the table rock.

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_11]: So up in Dixfield, notch on the terrifying 25,

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_11]: the table rock, there's a climbing trail

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_11]: and then there's like a trail you can get up the back way.

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_11]: And people constantly confuse these two trails

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's not clear and exactly which one

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_11]: you're supposed to climb in order to

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_11]: at the territory in 25 but you had a video where

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_11]: you had done like, you went up the back way I think right?

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Well because like so like that was I think

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't remember it might have been the very first one

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_09]: from the terrifying 25 that I made a video about

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_09]: because that one is like close to the place I usually stay.

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm like oh that one's really convenient for me to go.

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I've done, I'm like oh I didn't realize that one was on a list.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I've done that trail before I bent to that cliff.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I'll go do it and I've done that hike

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_09]: so I just hiked it the normal way that I did it

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_09]: and the current like some of the descriptions

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I found for the list.

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_09]: It wasn't well laid out in terms of like the description

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_09]: of what the actual thing is their opinion

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_09]: is the creators of the list is more just listing the bare basics

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_09]: and then having you use the different guidebooks

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_09]: to fill in the rest of the gaps.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_09]: So that's part of the reason why I'm like oh it would be helpful

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_09]: to make certain videos like this

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_09]: because you could see more detailed like

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_09]: you know if it's a single ledge that puts something

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_09]: on the list like where is that ledge?

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_09]: So when it came to Table Rock I'd never even cross my mind

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_09]: that A there was two trails and B

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_09]: that they even existed or that it would matter

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_09]: because I'm like oh yeah when I get to the top

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_09]: and I sit on the cliff that scary

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's the terrifying part.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't realize it was also because the trail itself

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_09]: was a nightmare because I didn't even know

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_09]: that was there and I don't know if it had a good sign

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_09]: at the time but then I posted that video

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_09]: and one of the when I very first started

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_09]: and we've become friends I would say

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_09]: is Trish who created the list, Trish Ellis now

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_09]: when I found the Facebook group for that group

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought it was just people who are fans of that list.

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_09]: No it's run by the people who created the list

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_09]: and they're like the moderators.

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Same with the 52 with the view

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_09]: it's like I think it's Ken who actually does the guidebook

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_09]: and so when I post my video in there

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_09]: they were very nice enough to let me post

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_09]: because it was relevant and it would be helpful for people

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_09]: and then it was her personally who messaged me

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_09]: later being like hey Adam, I watched the video

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_09]: it was great love it love it.

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_09]: You didn't hike the right trail

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_09]: and I'm like what do you mean

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't hike the right trail.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_09]: That's not possible.

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And then she proceeded to tell me the funny stories

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_09]: like that one not only could you people hike the wrong trail

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_09]: because it's not clear.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Some people are really silly

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_09]: and apparently there's a table rock in Maine

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_09]: and people have hiked that one

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_09]: and thought they got credit even though

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_09]: it's a terrifying point of it.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Everyone it's only for New Hampshire.

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_09]: It does not count for Maine

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_09]: so do not hike table rock in I think graphed and notch

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_09]: and think you're hiking the trail.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Even though it's oddly close

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I think to where that table rock is so like

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I've heard people have made that mistake as well.

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yes so that happens

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_11]: and yeah there's this climber trail

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_11]: that's like right on the road.

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes.

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_11]: And you park basically like right on the road

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_11]: and then it goes straight up

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and then you turn the corner

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_11]: and you're right on the ledge there.

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_11]: So that happens.

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_11]: That's a common quote.

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_11]: How was that climber trail

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: because we gotta go back up there and do that.

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought it was fun like a classic

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_09]: because the two trails are so close to each other

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I've done it's real easy to just like go up it

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_09]: it's really steep but it's very short

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_09]: and then you can easily hike down the other trail

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_09]: and then walk the road back to your car

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_09]: if you don't want to climb back down the same way.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah and it's like it is steep

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_11]: but I feel like it's got a lot of like built-in kick steps

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_11]: like just people have kind of like dug in

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_11]: so it's not too bad.

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_09]: It's built-in kick steps, there's rocks

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_09]: the rocks are kind of pointy.

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_09]: At the end of the day compared to some of these other ones

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I've been doing because it literally is so short

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_09]: that it'll be over before you know it

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_09]: and my personally like it's more that cliff

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_09]: and sitting on the edge that's the stuff that gets me

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_09]: so I still think that was like the worst part

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_09]: for me was being at the top.

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Do you actually go out to a very edge

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and like hanging your feet over the end?

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_09]: No but when I made the video in the footage

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_09]: I got in the video I went further out

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_09]: than I probably naturally would have

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_09]: if I was just there by myself because I guess to perform.

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I did what I needed to do

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_09]: and then I got out of there

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_09]: and that was still further than I would have gone normally

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I would say.

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I remember there's like a little dip

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_11]: before you get to the very end

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_11]: and I like kind of huddled in that little dip

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_11]: and then I was like,

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_11]: I think that's where I went.

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I've seen people say,

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I know what led your talking about.

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_09]: They sit there, I've seen that.

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_09]: No, no thank you.

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well my wife did it, she's hard core.

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't do it.

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like nope.

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah my palms are sweating just talking about it right now

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_11]: so but the other video that I like highlighted

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_11]: and this one is really actually very,

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_11]: it went from like oh this is kind of funny watching

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_11]: and I'll explain it.

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_11]: So like it got scary quickly

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_11]: so you wrote in a great golf

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and typically with the terrifying 25 like it's a red lining

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_11]: trace trail list.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_11]: So you have to hike the entire trail

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_11]: and Madison golf in the great golf

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_11]: he tend to like chunk them out

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_11]: and you don't do them all at once.

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_11]: So you end up going back and forth

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_11]: in there a couple of times to get the various trails

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_11]: and in this video,

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_09]: what did this happen like a year ago?

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_09]: This was just a year ago

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_09]: because it was August of last year.

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_09]: So that was like August, when you?

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_09]: So just over a year ago.

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Year in a month.

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_09]: You got injured really bad out there.

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Like that was scary.

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah so what was funny about that one like you said

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_09]: these terrifying trails we talk about everyone

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_09]: like in a weird way to it like

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_09]: and because I know you talk sometimes

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_09]: about search and rescues on your podcast

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_09]: is that people never think it's gonna happen to them.

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_09]: And what I'm here to tell you is that it could happen to you

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_09]: and what's interesting about how it can happen

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_09]: is that it could be actually at the place

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_09]: where you least expect it

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_09]: because we are talking about all these terrifying trails

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_09]: which are steep and technical

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_09]: and like oh it's really hard to film

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_09]: or you're distracted

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_09]: that that's where it's gonna happen.

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_09]: You know but that's for the great golf

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I was miles away from the steep part

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_09]: and the part that I was like focused on

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_09]: and thought would be the hardest.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_09]: But what I ended up getting injured

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_09]: was at just a random stream crossing

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_09]: that was completely flat

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_09]: and on that trail in the great golf

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_09]: there's multiple stream crossings

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and the day that I did it

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_09]: there was kind of a large amount of water.

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_09]: So that wasn't even the hardest stream crossing

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_09]: of the day, those hardest stream crossings that I had.

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_09]: No look like very benign like any other trail you're going.

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't even film, I was like on edge

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_09]: and getting across them.

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_09]: And so this one I guess that's part of the reason why it happened is

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_09]: that this is the smallest stream crossing

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I think in that whole trail.

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_09]: So my guard was down,

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't think anything was gonna happen

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_09]: and then oh I don't know

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_09]: if people have seen the clip

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_09]: it's like it looks like I just walk across the stream

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I step on the wrong rock

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_09]: and I go down

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_09]: because I just stepped on a rock that was loose.

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_09]: What people don't really know

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_09]: unless I've seen the full video

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_09]: or I understand the context was that

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I was hiking through the great golf

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_09]: several of the terrifying trails that month.

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_09]: So I did six husbands and sphinx videos

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_09]: like the previous two weeks

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_09]: and to get to those trails

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_09]: you have to go and start on the great golf

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_09]: and pass this exact stream.

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_09]: So I crossed the trail one, two, three, four times

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_09]: the previous weeks

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_09]: and then the day that I was filming this video

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_09]: because the stream was so tame.

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like oh I could go the walk away,

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_09]: I could do a walk towards,

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I can put the GoPro in my mouth

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_09]: and do a first person splashing in the water.

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_09]: So that was like my ninth

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_09]: or maybe even 12-time crossing that same stream

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_09]: all within the course of a month

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_09]: and it was only the very last time when I stepped on

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_09]: that was the only time I ever stepped on that one rock

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_09]: and it just was loose and I went down

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_09]: and I previously had ACL surgery

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_09]: so that's why I was wearing a leg brace

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_09]: and as I fall my foot got wedged in another rock

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_09]: so it wasn't freely able to move

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_09]: and as the weight of my body came down

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I felt like the pop in my knees

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_09]: so like immediately knew that I had like retorned something

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_09]: in my knee

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_09]: but I think I also must have punched a rock

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_09]: because I felt and tried to catch myself

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_09]: and it was only later when I was brought myself to the side

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_09]: that I realized

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_09]: that I had broken my hand

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_09]: but my hand actually hurt

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_09]: because I was so focused on my knee

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_09]: because that had been a big thing.

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_09]: So that was like it just happened all at once

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_09]: and I had to sit on the side for a while.

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I've been rambling a bunch

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_09]: like is this more questions feel free to do that?

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, no, this is an interesting short

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_11]: for people to understand that this can happen

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_11]: but what did you, so the amount of time you waited

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_11]: before you you've turned a figure out your injury

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_11]: with your knee?

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Did you at certain points say I gotta get up

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_11]: and get moving to get out of here?

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_09]: So it was not like a time situation

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_09]: by this happened around

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_09]: I think it was like 10 or 11 in the morning

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_09]: so like I had plenty of time.

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I did pull myself out of the stream

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I needed to see how bad it was.

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_09]: This was like three and a half miles in

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_09]: so I knew I was deep in at the time,

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_09]: great golf if you've never been in there.

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_09]: There's no self reception in there

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_09]: so I didn't have good reception

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_09]: and I probably should change this.

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't hike with what's that the GPS thing people use

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, the in reach.

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't have the in reach

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_09]: and I purposely, I think this was a Saturday.

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I purposely picked this trail

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_09]: because it's not a very popular trail

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_09]: so I knew there wouldn't be a lot of people

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_09]: because I didn't want them to be in the way of my filming

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_09]: but I had seen people that day

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_09]: and so basically I knew there wasn't a rush.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Let me sit on the side and just see

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_09]: how does this feel?

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Can I basically sell for rescue?

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I've also read several of those reports

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_09]: and knowing that like even if you get a rescue

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_09]: it takes a very long time, especially for how large I am

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_09]: and how deep in I am,

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_09]: it would take a very long time to get out so that

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_09]: and then I could just wait

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_09]: if someone comes along I can see if I need to ask for help.

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I eventually felt good enough after I think was like half

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_09]: or a 45 minutes that I'm like let me see if I can

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_09]: start to sell for rescue.

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Like I can't keep hiking and by that point

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_09]: by the time I did run into people

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I was basically confident myself that I could get myself

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_09]: out from that point that I didn't need

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_09]: to escalate the situation and basically

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_09]: hiked all the way but I'll back to my car

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_09]: and got myself to services that I needed to do it.

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_09]: But I guess I was fairly lucky like I said

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I was not on a steep part,

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_09]: it was a benign part of the trail

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_09]: and I had at a large familiarity

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_09]: with that specific trail at that time.

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_11]: And the only thing that comes to mind to me

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_11]: when I watch that video is

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_11]: and I understand why you don't do this

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_11]: because I'm assuming you've got a lot of equipment

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's just one more thing you have to deal with

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_11]: but hiking poles in that situation

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_11]: probably would help but I get it why you don't use it.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like the thing that when I was sitting there

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_09]: on the trail on the river it was like

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah, I asked all those questions like what if I had poles?

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_09]: What if I didn't step on that rock?

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_09]: What if I had only taken two clips?

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_09]: What if I skipped ahead?

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_09]: So since those days I do hike with poles now.

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I have them with me at all times

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_09]: because I have had now my ECL repaired surgically twice.

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm fragile so I understand that now

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_09]: I should have known that more then.

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_09]: When I make new videos now though,

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_09]: usually on up hills I don't need them as much.

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_09]: So I still have them in my pack.

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not using them as much.

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_09]: When I hike back I'm 100% using the poles

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_09]: and when I do come across certain streams

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I think one of my more recent videos

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_09]: like you see me using the poles to cross a stream.

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't mess with streams anymore.

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I know my place.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_09]: And so I take them out on select instances,

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_09]: when filming and even when not filming

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_09]: but definitely on my hikes down the mountain

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_09]: that's where I find the most.

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Those are usually what give me the most difficulty

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_09]: with my knee brace that's when I use them the most.

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah.

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_11]: And then the other, so yeah,

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm glad you got out and in Kudos to you for self-rescuing

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_11]: and I'll include the link to the video

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_11]: in the show notes so people can check it out.

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_11]: But it's such a,

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_11]: it's really an interesting moment

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_11]: because it's perfectly encapsulates

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_11]: what we talk about a lot of the time

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_11]: is people think like oh all these people

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_11]: will get out there and they're getting rescued

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_11]: because of reckless behavior

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_11]: but the vast vast majority of the situations

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_11]: are these exact situations

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_11]: where it's just a slip and fall can happen to anybody.

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And yeah and you can't always predict it

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_09]: like you said, I cross that same stream several times

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_09]: and I've since met like some of the ultra runners

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_09]: that I think I bumped into finding Philip

[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_09]: and in talking with him when he said his record

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_09]: for the winter 48.

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_09]: It's like oh we slipped and fell so many times

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_09]: and got buying and bruised and it's like

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_09]: and then you're fine.

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And then I fall one time.

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_09]: So you never really know which fall is gonna be

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_09]: the one that gets you out there.

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, for sure.

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_11]: And then some of the additional content you have

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_11]: so you've got these best of lists

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_11]: that I think are fantastic

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_11]: so I'm assuming like a lot of times

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_11]: when people are doing research

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_11]: they'll stumble on these

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_11]: but you do a lot about waterfalls

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_11]: you've done list about easy hikes

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_11]: and then you do like these steep sections

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_11]: so you cover like wildcat ridge,

[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_11]: beaver Brook,

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_11]: the infamous climb up self-twinned

[01:35:26] [SPEAKER_11]: which are like three or four

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_11]: the steepest sections of the Appalachian Trail.

[01:35:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Do you just these ideas come to you easily

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_11]: or do you have to really dig to figure out

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_11]: what top is gonna cover?

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_09]: It's been over a couple years of

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_09]: making the videos when I first did it like I said

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_09]: it was like I would just go on hikes

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_09]: and I'd make videos

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_09]: and then no one would watch the videos.

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_09]: So it's like what was I going to make it about?

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_09]: And when I was early on in my

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_09]: making the videos

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_09]: because I live in Boston,

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like I don't always want to go to New Hampshire all the time

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_09]: and I have the idea

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_09]: my previous videos at that time had just been

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_09]: single hike single video

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_09]: at least when it came to YouTube.

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_09]: What if I did the,

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_09]: that's one of the idea of like what if I did a top 10

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_09]: of things that weren't necessarily interesting enough

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_09]: to sustain a full 15 minute video

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_09]: but like the idea was like oh

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_09]: if there's 10 hikes in a single video

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_09]: maybe that's 10 times as valuable

[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_09]: or interesting to a person,

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I live in Boston,

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_09]: what do I like?

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh people like waterfalls.

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_09]: What if I try and find

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_09]: the 10 best waterfalls in Massachusetts?

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_09]: That was the very first top 10 video I did

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_09]: and I did my research

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_09]: and I went out there

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_09]: and it became quickly one of my best performing videos

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_09]: because in a weird way I think it's like

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_09]: people assume you have to hike the biggest mountain.

[01:36:49] [SPEAKER_09]: You have to do these things.

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_09]: But I think it was performing really well

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_09]: because most of them are in the Berkshirs

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_09]: which are people don't really think about

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_09]: if you're making content of like,

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_09]: let me focus on the Berkshirs

[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_09]: but because no one else thinks

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_09]: everyone just makes videos about the white mountains

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_09]: and you're competing with all these people.

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_09]: All of a sudden it's like

[01:37:06] [SPEAKER_09]: you're the one guy who made videos about the Berkshirs.

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_09]: The Berkshirs are the closest mountains

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_09]: to Boston and New York City

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_09]: and people are already going there.

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_09]: They still need to know what to do when they're there

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_09]: and seeing a bunch of waterfalls

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_09]: that seems pretty good

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_09]: and because I had that success with that video

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_09]: it became a natural progression of,

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_09]: oh let me do the waterfalls

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_09]: of all the New England states.

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_09]: So my second one I did was for Connecticut.

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_09]: No one even thinks you can go hiking Connecticut

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_09]: but you know who wants to go hiking Connecticut

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_09]: the people who live in Connecticut

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_09]: and probably New York City they live there.

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_09]: So I did that one that was interesting.

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I also did like top 10 hikes on Cape Cod.

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_09]: People go to Cape Cod on vacation.

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_09]: It was closer to me than going all the way up to the mountains

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_09]: and it was different.

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I went that time I just wanted something different.

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Compared to just hiking all those

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_09]: so I did that and eventually I did complete the series

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_09]: of like, I think I visited every waterfall

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_09]: worth visiting in all of New England

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_09]: which is like over 200 300 waterfalls.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_09]: It was a little crazy last year

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_09]: when I knocked out main new Hampshire

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_09]: and Vermont in the same year.

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_11]: How's the mileage in the car?

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_09]: It's over 100,000 miles by now.

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Approaching two I think, 200.

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_11]: That's a lot of driving.

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_11]: The terrifying 25 to me that's the one

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_11]: that always pops up and I'm,

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean I'd done the terrifying 25 list

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_11]: and for whatever reason like that's in my TikTok algorithm,

[01:38:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I think they so you come up quite a bit.

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Have you completed it?

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_11]: You've done all of them?

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_09]: No so I am very close to finishing.

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_09]: I've been driving myself crazy this summer

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_09]: doing a bunch of filming to try and finish it this year

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_09]: recently I forgot to mention it

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_09]: when we were talking about my injury

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_09]: but only I think two or three weeks ago

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I finally did finish great golf trail

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_09]: almost a year and a couple days to when the injury happened

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_09]: I went and I hiked that full trail,

[01:39:01] [SPEAKER_09]: past that point, made it to the summit,

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_09]: completed that hike.

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_09]: It was a very emotional day.

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_09]: And now I only have two left on the list to complete

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_09]: and I'm gonna finish one this weekend

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_09]: fingers crossed and then the,

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_09]: which is the big one Huntington.

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_09]: That's the nice.

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_09]: No big deal just one of the hardest ones

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_09]: in all of New Hampshire

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_09]: and then after that I just have bald face circle trail

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_09]: which I don't think is particularly hard

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_09]: but I've heard it's very scenic

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and so I'm basically waiting to do that one

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_09]: for the peak leaves I thought it would make

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_09]: for a really scenic video for that one.

[01:39:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah fantastic.

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean the ledges on the south bald face

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_11]: can be a little, it can be a little,

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_11]: you know there's a couple of spots

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_11]: where you do not wanna slip.

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_11]: So just make sure your sneakers are extra grippy.

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_11]: But Huntington?

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, so I'll look for a dry day.

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, I mean in Huntington to me,

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know, I feel like it's a little overrated

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_11]: like there's the fan section where you

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_11]: if you hit it on a good day like you breeze right up it,

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_11]: you'll be fine.

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I've already cleared that part of it

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_09]: but I think it's more so the knowing that it's people

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_09]: who make videos about that one.

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_09]: They tend to be quite popular

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_09]: or people are just really interested in that trail

[01:40:21] [SPEAKER_09]: and I wanna do the best job I can.

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_09]: So I've already devoted two full days of hiking

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_09]: and filming of work to it already

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_09]: and so now the only thing left is that one,

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_09]: 600 measly feet straight up.

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_09]: So you know, in the final video it'll be like three days

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_09]: of filming together into one video.

[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Is it like a certain technique that you have to use

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_11]: for filming to actually,

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_11]: one of the hardest parts I find

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_11]: and I do these videos sometimes,

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't really post much but to show the actual elevation

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_11]: and the steepness, like I find that impossible.

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I'm only using a dumb iPhone so it never looks steep.

[01:41:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Even at the camera, it never looks steep.

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I can't even explain it.

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I can interject, I think the one that looks

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the best is probably your ladders on six husband.

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you captured it there because the GoPro does sort of

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: alter reality but six husband video that you did

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: is fantastic for the listeners to check out.

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I think that when I really tried,

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I think I took the camera and I squatted it on the ground

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_09]: and just pointed it up so that it was like

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_09]: the maximum level of steepness up the ladder.

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_09]: It was, that one, I remember that one was tricky to do.

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_09]: There's not a lot of space next to those ladders.

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah, that's for sure.

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_11]: And then you have to dig back in my memory

[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_11]: but I feel like you're not like a hardcore winter hiker

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_11]: like you've dabbled in it

[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_11]: but you're not doing like a ton in the winter, right?

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I've dabbled in it.

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_09]: My first winner was like, oh great,

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_09]: I made a YouTube channel about hiking

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_09]: and now it's the winner, what do I do?

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I guess I'll go hiking in the winner

[01:41:55] [SPEAKER_09]: and then you proceed to hike Mount Whiteface

[01:41:58] [SPEAKER_09]: as your first, the blueberry ledge trail

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_09]: as your first winner hike, proceed to failure.

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And I turned around, it was more than,

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_09]: I shouldn't have done that trail in the winter.

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know why I chose it

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_09]: but I knew it would still make for a good video

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_09]: because it's like, you know, YouTube or Facebook.

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I failed to hike the trail.

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh no, I'm an idiot and people loved it.

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_09]: They thought it was funny and you do the sad face.

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_09]: It's great.

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And I didn't have freaking snowshoes,

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_09]: just stopping post-holing my way up.

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_09]: But it was a beautiful day, so like I knew what I was getting myself

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_09]: into, I had a lot to learn.

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And until I had the channel that gave me motivation

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_09]: to hike in the winter, I had never hiked in the winter,

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_09]: had no real desire to.

[01:42:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Now I have an appreciation for it.

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Hiking, I think it was Mount Wamback.

[01:42:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I hiked or it was cherry, either Mount Wamback

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_09]: or cherry mowing after like a fresh snowfall

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_09]: where like you really see, I call them

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_09]: the marshmallow trees, those pine trees at the top.

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_09]: It's really gorgeous and it takes my breath away.

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_09]: It's so quiet and I really appreciate having been motivated

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_09]: to do it.

[01:43:07] [SPEAKER_09]: But when it comes to filming them,

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_09]: I do not like that.

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_09]: When I film a video for the people at home,

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_09]: it can take one and a half to at worst case scenario,

[01:43:20] [SPEAKER_09]: two times as long to hike a trail.

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_09]: When I film it versus if I'm just hiking it.

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_09]: And I was gonna ask you when it comes

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_09]: to the winter.

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Like in the summer, who cares?

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_09]: You have the daylight, it's warm out, you deal.

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_09]: When it's really cold out,

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_09]: it just wears you down and it stinks.

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_09]: And so at this point I've done,

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_09]: I wanted to do Washington the winter,

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_09]: that was a big goal of mine, done that, filmed that video.

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_09]: And then last year I filmed the easiest 48,4,000 footers

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_09]: to do in the winter for people wanting to start there,

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_09]: winter 48 list.

[01:44:00] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think it did just a bunch of like,

[01:44:01] [SPEAKER_09]: hey, if you're a normal person

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_09]: and the idea of hiking the winter sounds like an alien talking,

[01:44:07] [SPEAKER_09]: here are a bunch of easy hikes that aren't even mountains

[01:44:09] [SPEAKER_09]: and you can go do them and it's a fun time.

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_09]: But now that I've done those,

[01:44:16] [SPEAKER_09]: there's nothing else for me

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_09]: in terms of filming hikes in the winter in New Hampshire

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_09]: or the Northeast I think.

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I think I'm done in terms of making content like that.

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I don't really,

[01:44:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I have no personal desire to finish my 48.

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't enjoy making the long videos in the winter.

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_09]: So now I'm gonna call it,

[01:44:38] [SPEAKER_09]: this winter is gonna be winter at him

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_09]: where he rests and gets ready for the next hiking season

[01:44:45] [SPEAKER_09]: but if I go on vacation somewhere warm,

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_09]: like maybe Arizona or Utah to get away from the snow

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_09]: where it's like,

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_09]: because that's the part that I need to explain is that like,

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_09]: when you're,

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_09]: these are some of these ones I've done this summer,

[01:44:57] [SPEAKER_09]: it's like a 17 hour hiking day

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's not possible in the winter,

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_09]: it sucks.

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_09]: It's type five fun by that point, I think.

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_09]: So like I'd rather avoid it.

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and the key with winter hiking is moving

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_11]: and keeping your retaining that heat

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_11]: by moving and going uphill

[01:45:18] [SPEAKER_11]: is such a critical part of it

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and you can't do that if you're taking your gloves off

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_11]: and you bend and over to set up a tripod

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_11]: and then walk and back and forth.

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Like, then you've got to lay her up again

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_09]: and by that time.

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And the weather is so much more unpredictable

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's when you really get into trouble

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_09]: and I'm definitely even in the winter

[01:45:37] [SPEAKER_09]: a fair weather hiker.

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Most of the videos like people may argue whether or not

[01:45:43] [SPEAKER_09]: I have the most gear to be paired for some of those ones

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_09]: but part of my view is being prepared

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_09]: is picking me like ideal best day to go

[01:45:50] [SPEAKER_09]: and if it's even not that in the winter,

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not out there.

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_09]: There's other things I can do

[01:45:56] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's what I end up doing.

[01:45:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Do you like, I always joke around

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_11]: like I never read comments

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_11]: or I barely ever respond to any emails or anything like that.

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_11]: But do you get with a higher profile like you do

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_11]: and social media do you get criticism

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_11]: or any pushback from people

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_11]: or do you just tend to ignore it?

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Or I'm assuming most people are pretty positive.

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Most people are positive.

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_09]: There's, I'd say there's two flavors of it

[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_09]: because when it comes to Instagram,

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_09]: I post like the memes purposefully inflammatory memes.

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Some could argue in terms of like poking fun

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and some people don't get the joke

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_09]: and so I'm in my own comment section,

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_09]: trolling my own commenters

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_09]: and kind of showing disdain for some of them

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_09]: in terms of like stirring the pot purposefully

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_09]: to get more conversation and comments going.

[01:46:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Those I don't view is very serious.

[01:46:52] [SPEAKER_09]: It's like my amount is better than your amount

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_09]: and like who cares?

[01:46:55] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not really about me

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_09]: but I sometimes there are ones,

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_09]: oh we lost them.

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Here we go, it says okay, we'll be right back.

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Keep on going.

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Sometimes there are ones that are more personal.

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_09]: The ones I take more personally are,

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_09]: I sometimes get comments that are like,

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_09]: that consider me a spot burner.

[01:47:15] [SPEAKER_09]: They call it or that I like by the fact

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_09]: that me recommending something outside

[01:47:21] [SPEAKER_09]: that has a trail that is sometimes a state park

[01:47:24] [SPEAKER_09]: that I'm somehow ruining the outdoors for people.

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And those ones, I sometimes take them to her

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_09]: because there's certain places that I've not recommended

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_09]: that were technically like,

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_09]: oh the public has access

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_09]: but it's like a private landowner

[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's not like the most well known.

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_09]: I've done my best to not,

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_09]: to only like truly recommend things

[01:47:47] [SPEAKER_09]: that I feel like have a trail

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_09]: and that normal people could go to

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's like it's not like I'm asking people

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_09]: for their secrets and then posting them.

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Like if I can find an internet,

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry to tell you it's not a secret

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's like oh it's already on the list

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's like so sometimes that happens

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_09]: but I don't know, I do read them and what was it?

[01:48:09] [SPEAKER_09]: The ones that was the strangest was

[01:48:13] [SPEAKER_09]: there were two reddit threads about me,

[01:48:15] [SPEAKER_09]: like hate threads that I found.

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_09]: And it felt like I was reading like

[01:48:21] [SPEAKER_09]: high school gossip at school

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_09]: that they were talking about you behind her back

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_09]: and then I read it and I wasn't supposed to read it

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_09]: and so that was rather interesting.

[01:48:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I never responded to those

[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_09]: because I don't need to respond to that

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_09]: but it's just like I usually find it and people send them to me

[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and so I read most of the stuff.

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course, yeah.

[01:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: There's that positive and negative with social media

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but you seem to be doing fine with that.

[01:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: How long does it take you to turn around on a video

[01:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: editing wise and whatnot?

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Lately it's been long.

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't posted any in a while

[01:48:57] [SPEAKER_09]: because Instagram has been a more focused now

[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_09]: in terms of like when it was when I was just making YouTube

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_09]: videos, I could turn one around in a week or two weeks

[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_09]: but depending on the video, it's not my

[01:49:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I kind of can only do one thing and focus on one thing

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_09]: and so like for example

[01:49:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I have I'm sitting on a top 10 video that I filmed last year

[01:49:23] [SPEAKER_09]: and I just haven't gotten around of making it

[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_09]: and I don't know when I will

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_09]: and when I meet people, especially this summer,

[01:49:30] [SPEAKER_09]: they were like oh, when's the video gonna come out

[01:49:32] [SPEAKER_09]: like maybe September?

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, my cousin's weddings in September

[01:49:35] [SPEAKER_09]: so maybe not eventually it'll come out

[01:49:38] [SPEAKER_09]: and at the end of the day it's just me holding myself

[01:49:41] [SPEAKER_09]: to a schedule and they come out when they come out.

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Mike's back, you got abducted by aliens apparently.

[01:49:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I don't know what happened there.

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_11]: It was very odd.

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Like I actually jump right back in

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_11]: and I could listen to you guys talk

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_11]: but I couldn't talk so

[01:49:59] [SPEAKER_11]: but I am back, I apologize for that little grimmling

[01:50:01] [SPEAKER_11]: in the works here.

[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_11]: So what's future plans for you?

[01:50:04] [SPEAKER_11]: So you get to finish the terrifying 25 at them

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_11]: and then I know I caught that,

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_11]: you sort of along your own timeline

[01:50:11] [SPEAKER_11]: when it comes to videos but any fear

[01:50:13] [SPEAKER_11]: if you running out of ideas or anything like that

[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_11]: or are you gonna be able to, this endless list.

[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I think there's endless lists,

[01:50:19] [SPEAKER_09]: there's endless stuff people ask like

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_09]: oh my gonna go these faraway places like maybe

[01:50:26] [SPEAKER_09]: New York's right there, I haven't done New York,

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_09]: it's asking for it.

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_09]: The people in New York City need to know

[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_09]: where to go hiking on the weekends, right?

[01:50:33] [SPEAKER_09]: So true, and the polkino's.

[01:50:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And like there's plenty of places to go.

[01:50:39] [SPEAKER_09]: In the near term like I said,

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I wanna finish my terrifying 25 very soon.

[01:50:43] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm probably gonna take a week off of work

[01:50:45] [SPEAKER_09]: to hike in the peak leaves

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_09]: and I need to figure out what is my goal for that

[01:50:51] [SPEAKER_09]: in terms of like what is the video idea?

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm thinking maybe 10 easiest 4,000 footers in general.

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_09]: These terrifying ones have been very difficult

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_09]: personally in terms of the stringy whistness

[01:51:05] [SPEAKER_09]: and the frustration of how long they take to film.

[01:51:09] [SPEAKER_09]: So something that's like, 10 easy,

[01:51:13] [SPEAKER_09]: scenic hikes to do with your kids for the fall.

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_09]: That sounds lovely.

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I would love to do that.

[01:51:18] [SPEAKER_09]: That would just be so much easier for me.

[01:51:21] [SPEAKER_09]: And so I might do something like that.

[01:51:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Hike a couple 52 with the view for this fall.

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_09]: And then, you know, like I'm not as prioritized

[01:51:29] [SPEAKER_09]: about editing the videos,

[01:51:30] [SPEAKER_09]: because once the leaves fall

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_09]: and I basically stop filming at that point

[01:51:33] [SPEAKER_09]: because it's hard enough to get people

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_09]: to care or pay attention.

[01:51:37] [SPEAKER_09]: And when the trees are sticks

[01:51:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and it looks brown and ugly,

[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_09]: no one wants to see that.

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_09]: So I'll use, you'll use that time

[01:51:44] [SPEAKER_09]: to finally start editing videos

[01:51:46] [SPEAKER_09]: and releasing them or stuff like that.

[01:51:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe next year, longer term like,

[01:51:53] [SPEAKER_09]: New York's waterfalls haven't been found yet.

[01:51:55] [SPEAKER_09]: So that might be next spring.

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_09]: And then once I finished the terrifying 25,

[01:51:59] [SPEAKER_09]: I've heard a newer list

[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_09]: that I don't know if many people know about.

[01:52:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Someone put together the wicked wild 25 for Maine.

[01:52:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh no.

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_09]: And so that one is calling my name, I think.

[01:52:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Wow, the wicked wild 25 out there.

[01:52:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Now I'm gonna do some research, but Maine is fun.

[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_09]: And that one's like really quite new

[01:52:21] [SPEAKER_09]: within the past five years,

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that one got created.

[01:52:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And I heard about it and I'm like,

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_09]: sounds cool, you know?

[01:52:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I heard this some rough trails in Maine.

[01:52:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I'll go check them out.

[01:52:30] [SPEAKER_11]: All right, well Adam,

[01:52:31] [SPEAKER_11]: we appreciate the work that you do

[01:52:34] [SPEAKER_11]: and like Stom said,

[01:52:36] [SPEAKER_11]: like the benefits for people that are researching

[01:52:38] [SPEAKER_11]: these especially,

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_11]: some of these tough for trails

[01:52:43] [SPEAKER_11]: like the terrifying 25 is huge.

[01:52:44] [SPEAKER_11]: So we appreciate you doing that work

[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_11]: and you seem like a great guy.

[01:52:49] [SPEAKER_11]: I feel like if you went to hiking

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_11]: with us, like we'll take a sled,

[01:52:52] [SPEAKER_11]: you can leave the camera home.

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_11]: You'll love it.

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_11]: In fact, I saw a tale of,

[01:52:56] [SPEAKER_11]: I saw a tale of the Nehamsha Hiker

[01:52:58] [SPEAKER_11]: on my way up to my Washington last year.

[01:53:00] [SPEAKER_09]: So you can get her to join us.

[01:53:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Well that's what I mean is like,

[01:53:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not saying I'm not winter hiking.

[01:53:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just not making videos filming.

[01:53:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And because I have a few friends,

[01:53:09] [SPEAKER_09]: like it is fun to go and I could definitely see myself

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_09]: doing a couple, but just like,

[01:53:12] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, I've done the ones

[01:53:14] [SPEAKER_09]: that I wanted to do in terms of filming them.

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_09]: And so it's like, oh, a couple for me,

[01:53:18] [SPEAKER_09]: why not take a break?

[01:53:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I feel exactly awesome.

[01:53:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, that's stuff.

[01:53:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you so much for joining us out on this was cool.

[01:53:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Hopefully you enjoyed the podcast.

[01:53:28] [SPEAKER_11]: I feel like you killed it.

[01:53:29] [SPEAKER_09]: You brought your own microphone.

[01:53:30] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm so proud of you.

[01:53:31] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, you're welcome.

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you for having me.

[01:53:34] [SPEAKER_09]: It's fun.

[01:53:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And especially hearing firsthand from stomping stuff.

[01:53:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, and anyone I meet on the trail

[01:53:40] [SPEAKER_09]: that like, oh, I watched your video

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_09]: and I found it helpful.

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_09]: That means the most to me because

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_09]: that's like at the end of the day,

[01:53:46] [SPEAKER_09]: that's my goal with making them.

[01:53:48] [SPEAKER_09]: They take a lot of time to film

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_09]: and they take a lot of time to edit.

[01:53:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And whether or not like they're financially viable,

[01:53:54] [SPEAKER_09]: it doesn't really matter.

[01:53:55] [SPEAKER_09]: It's this knowing that they are useful to people

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_09]: in the way that I'm hoping that I would be,

[01:54:00] [SPEAKER_09]: that means the world to me

[01:54:02] [SPEAKER_09]: and help motivate me to keep making more

[01:54:04] [SPEAKER_09]: and finding new trails to explore.

[01:54:06] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, great work.

[01:54:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Very good.

[01:54:13] [SPEAKER_11]: All right, stop.

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_11]: So we learned a lot about Adam.

[01:54:15] [SPEAKER_11]: What was your favorite part of that?

[01:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the favorite thing I can recall is

[01:54:21] [SPEAKER_02]: his booboo with table rock

[01:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and the climbers trail.

[01:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great story.

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but I appreciate all of his work

[01:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and he puts in the work when it comes to

[01:54:33] [SPEAKER_02]: our recording like every segment of a trail

[01:54:36] [SPEAKER_02]: with his camera and backtracking.

[01:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's incredible.

[01:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of work and it really shows

[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: in his final productions.

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[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_11]: All right, stop.

[01:56:56] [SPEAKER_11]: This is the part of the show

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_11]: where we do search and rescue news.

[01:56:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Have you ever been to Madam Sherry Forest?

[01:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I have not.

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's on the list.

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_11]: You know what that is?

[01:57:03] [SPEAKER_11]: That's like that's that forest

[01:57:04] [SPEAKER_11]: that has like the the mansion

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_11]: that the only thing left was the stairs

[01:57:09] [SPEAKER_11]: but I think the storm is still way

[01:57:11] [SPEAKER_11]: like collapsed eventually.

[01:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I hadn't heard that,

[01:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah, just that skeletal remains.

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty interesting place.

[01:57:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, somebody told me that that stairway

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_11]: did collapse, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

[01:57:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.

[01:57:28] [SPEAKER_11]: But apparently there was a lost hiker.

[01:57:32] [SPEAKER_11]: So on September 12th,

[01:57:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Fishing Game was notified of a lost hiker

[01:57:36] [SPEAKER_11]: on the trail system of Madam Sherry Forest

[01:57:38] [SPEAKER_11]: and Chesterfield, 42-year-old hiker from Massachusetts

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_11]: was hiking with a dog when she became disoriented

[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_11]: as the sunset.

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Tens to happen when the sun goes down,

[01:57:47] [SPEAKER_11]: storm is right.

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_11]: So the hiker decided to call the emergency services,

[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_11]: local police department and Fishing Game Conservation Office

[01:57:58] [SPEAKER_11]: are responded to the Ants Stokes Loop Trailhead

[01:58:01] [SPEAKER_11]: and the CO-Hight One Mile

[01:58:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and reached the hiker on the one-task ticket.

[01:58:09] [SPEAKER_11]: What, what, what, what, what, when, when tastic.

[01:58:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Whoa.

[01:58:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Whoa.

[01:58:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Want to sneak, kick.

[01:58:19] [SPEAKER_11]: My dad knocked trail.

[01:58:21] [SPEAKER_11]: At 8.30 PM.

[01:58:22] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know how to say that.

[01:58:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa.

[01:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So what's that?

[01:58:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah.

[01:58:28] [SPEAKER_11]: But once the hiker was provided a light,

[01:58:32] [SPEAKER_11]: they were able to hike out.

[01:58:33] [SPEAKER_11]: So it's amazing how that light tends to solve problems.

[01:58:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Interesting.

[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.

[01:58:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Want to stick it.

[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Want to stick it?

[01:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it is.

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: One task to get.

[01:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I bet one task to get, one task to get.

[01:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: One task to get, one task to get.

[01:58:51] [SPEAKER_11]: One task to question, I said, why to stick it?

[01:58:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Nad, nad.

[01:58:57] [SPEAKER_11]: So, mnad, nack.

[01:58:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Um, all right.

[01:59:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Stop, uh, injured hiker rescued from unknown pond trail.

[01:59:04] [SPEAKER_11]: That's pretty obvious.

[01:59:05] [SPEAKER_11]: It's on September 16th, which was three days ago.

[01:59:09] [SPEAKER_11]: So that would have been Monday.

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Um, oh, no Saturday.

[01:59:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, sorry, though the press release came out on Monday, but the actual incident happened

[01:59:18] [SPEAKER_11]: at 5 PM on Saturday, September 14th.

[01:59:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Fishing game was notified of an injured hiker about three miles up on the unknown pond trail

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_11]: in Kelkany.

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_11]: 44-year-old hiker from Connecticut had been descending the trail once he slipped and suffered

[01:59:34] [SPEAKER_11]: a severe lower leg injury, which prevented her from being able to hike out.

[01:59:38] [SPEAKER_11]: She was able to make a 911 call for help.

[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Berlin fired apartment in a couple of other local fire departments and then Andrew

[01:59:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Schog and Valley Search and Rescue.

[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Pemi-Varley Search and Rescue and, um, a paramedic and EMT from Berlin ambulance along with

[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_11]: conservation officers responded to the call.

[01:59:59] [SPEAKER_11]: So rescues got there on seven by eight o'clock they had enough rescuers to place

[02:00:04] [SPEAKER_11]: the hiker in a rescue litter and stuff the carry down and it took about two and

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_11]: half hours to get down there and they got there at 10 30 and shipped her off to

[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Andrew Schog and Valley Hospital in Berlin.

[02:00:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Wow, so she was and she was on a day hike with her friends as part of the flags and

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_11]: 48.

[02:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So they had a long day.

[02:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Long day.

[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_11]: So with Bunnell launch I forget that is the

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_11]: mean a personal instead of going unknown pond.

[02:00:39] [SPEAKER_11]: You keep going past that and hike in from the south is Bunnell launch trail.

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, yeah, that's a long day.

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Wow.

[02:00:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Typically that's like the beginning of the loop and then when you come out from like

[02:00:55] [SPEAKER_11]: you go cab it and then you do the ballage in the horn and then come out unknown pond

[02:01:01] [SPEAKER_11]: and that's sort of the classic loop around there got it.

[02:01:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Next up, Frank Coney, a rich hiker with a medical emergency on the front, Coney, a rich trail.

[02:01:12] [SPEAKER_11]: So this was also on Saturday, September 14th, three o'clock so a little cluster of incidents

[02:01:17] [SPEAKER_11]: some fishing games notified of a hiker having a medical emergency between flu and liberty.

[02:01:28] [SPEAKER_11]: So,

[02:01:28] [SPEAKER_11]: this was activated to assist the hiker due to the seriousness and remoteness of the situation.

[02:01:34] [SPEAKER_11]: A call was placed to the Army National Guard Aviation Unit to attempt a helicopter rescue

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_11]: while awaiting the helicopter.

[02:01:41] [SPEAKER_11]: So the call came into three while awaiting the helicopter rescues continue to hike up

[02:01:46] [SPEAKER_11]: to the patient and his hiking partner.

[02:01:48] [SPEAKER_11]: So it was a 56 year old hiker from Bolton, mass.

[02:01:52] [SPEAKER_11]: The blackhawk was able to reach the location around 450 so yeah, I'm on an out about two hours.

[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_11]: And they were able to hoist him up and transport him to Dartmouth, Hitchcock Medical.

[02:02:04] [SPEAKER_11]: He was with a hiking partner also from Bolton, mass who was unable to board the helicopter

[02:02:09] [SPEAKER_11]: and was unfamiliar with how to descend liberty.

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_11]: So she was met near the summit of Mont Liberty by the AMC, the Liberty Springs Tensei Kiertaker

[02:02:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and a small team of rescuers from Pemi Valley, searching rescue was able to intercept them

[02:02:26] [SPEAKER_11]: with the tentsites and help her down.

[02:02:28] [SPEAKER_11]: And the background on this one stop is that the two adults were shaperroaning a

[02:02:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Boy Scout troop, they hit Flume Slai Trail at 630.

[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_11]: The gentleman that had gotten a hoisted out on the helicopter to be kind having difficulty hiking

[02:02:44] [SPEAKER_11]: near the summit of Mont Flume and he later told the group to go ahead without him well

[02:02:50] [SPEAKER_11]: the second adult stayed with him.

[02:02:52] [SPEAKER_11]: They summed it around 245 so they took him almost eight hours to get to the summit of Mont Flume.

[02:03:01] [SPEAKER_11]: As they were going down, he began having a medical emergency in calling for help

[02:03:07] [SPEAKER_11]: so rescue was reached the trailhead.

[02:03:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, so then eventually the rescuers intercepted the other adult and reached the trailhead

[02:03:16] [SPEAKER_11]: around 930 so I don't know where the Boy Scouts were.

[02:03:20] [SPEAKER_11]: I would have assumed the Boy Scouts were to want to Liberty Springs.

[02:03:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, good question.

[02:03:24] [SPEAKER_11]: She could have just stayed with them but maybe she didn't want to.

[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That's always a challenging hike man.

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No joke going up Flume Slai.

[02:03:33] [SPEAKER_11]: It's such a bad...

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean people look at it and they just look at the mileage and they go like, oh, it's right

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_11]: by the highway no problem but they don't consider the elevation.

[02:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And the condition of the trail it's mostly that wet slabs and most people bushwhacking around

[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and no but it's so steep that it's like just challenging.

[02:03:56] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, it's a tricky thing.

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe a little bit more signage to just say like hey this is one of the steepest trails

[02:04:03] [SPEAKER_11]: in the whites.

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, like one of those the trail that the sign that you see on the like the whole trail

[02:04:08] [SPEAKER_11]: or something?

[02:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some rumbles I mean some of the ideas have been to maybe cut south at the base

[02:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: of that ascent and connect over to osteo trail at a more easy grade like the

[02:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: scour at the tripe or maybe something like that.

[02:04:27] [SPEAKER_11]: So wrap around a little bit.

[02:04:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, I could see that like maybe do like a um yeah, I guess they get a deal with

[02:04:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Frank Coney at first but that may be the next one that they they take a look at.

[02:04:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Wow, all right this next one.

[02:04:41] [SPEAKER_11]: I saw this one going down on Friday on the Nick News Facebook page.

[02:04:47] [SPEAKER_11]: It's a pretty good page.

[02:04:48] [SPEAKER_11]: They get they cover all things north, north, Conway and Friber.

[02:04:51] [SPEAKER_11]: So Friday, September 13th, the 58 year old Hiker from Maine was hiking with our husband

[02:04:57] [SPEAKER_11]: and viewing the falls on chimney falls when they slipped and fell which resulted in a hip injury.

[02:05:03] [SPEAKER_11]: That's a horrible spot to fall because there's absolutely no cell connection.

[02:05:09] [SPEAKER_11]: So and this is what fishing game she was unable to stand or walk husband had to hike out

[02:05:14] [SPEAKER_11]: because they had no cell signal even when you get to the trailhead there's not there's not really a

[02:05:18] [SPEAKER_11]: cell signal.

[02:05:20] [SPEAKER_11]: So he summoned the passerby and requested that they call 911 for assistance when they get a cell signal.

[02:05:25] [SPEAKER_11]: The injury occurred at approximately 515 and 911 was notified at 650 so that's horrible

[02:05:32] [SPEAKER_11]: because you hike out and then you've got to flag down a car and hope that they'll call 911 and

[02:05:37] [SPEAKER_11]: you're behalf when they get into Albany.

[02:05:41] [SPEAKER_11]: So that's tough.

[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_11]: So fishing game responded with the Conway Fire and Lake's region,

[02:05:50] [SPEAKER_11]: searching rescue team and the Hiker was located about a mile and a half from the trailhead.

[02:05:55] [SPEAKER_11]: So 550 was the injury 911 was notified at 650 and then first rescue was arrived at 840.

[02:06:04] [SPEAKER_11]: She was assessed and stabilized then transported by rescue litter to the trailhead arriving at 1035

[02:06:11] [SPEAKER_11]: and then Conway ambulance transported her to Memorial Hospital in North,

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_11]: North Conway so got it.

[02:06:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, Chambody Falls is rough like you bring a garment with you if you're going there or

[02:06:24] [SPEAKER_11]: in reach because otherwise there's not a lot of options.

[02:06:28] [SPEAKER_11]: But matter of fact you're better off hiking up to Chicora to get a cell connection than you are

[02:06:33] [SPEAKER_11]: hiking down.

[02:06:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, amazing.

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Yep.

[02:06:39] [SPEAKER_11]: But that's it's still up.

[02:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[02:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice and cute word.

[02:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Not too bad, not too bad but leaves the fallen.

[02:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's where the the uptick and slipping falls.

[02:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Hence the happen.

[02:06:50] [SPEAKER_11]: So watch your footing.

[02:06:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Remember if you watch your footing and if you

[02:06:54] [SPEAKER_11]: happen to be in Yellowstone stay on the boardwalk.

[02:06:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes and always remember the sun goes down.

[02:07:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, yeah and it gets dark when the sun goes down and if you don't have a light

[02:07:06] [SPEAKER_11]: that's going to be a problem.

[02:07:07] [SPEAKER_11]: That's going to be a big problem.

[02:07:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes it gets closer.

[02:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You safe out there.

[02:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's a good color.

[02:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Your flashlight's not going to work on yourself.

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's true.

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[02:07:59] [SPEAKER_10]: No covered in scratches, blisters and bug bites.

[02:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris Staff wanted to complete his most challenging day height ever.

[02:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Fishing Game Officer save the hiker from Florida,

[02:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: activate an emergency vegan yesterday morning.

[02:08:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He was hiking along the Appalachian Trail when the weather started to get worse.

[02:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Officials say the snow was piled up to three feet in some spots and there was a wind

[02:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: shell of minus one degree.

[02:08:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Lieutenant James Nealuk, your hand for fishing eggs.

[02:08:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Was that the things we're being with us today?

[02:08:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks, I have another one.

[02:08:37] [SPEAKER_07]: What are some of the most common mistakes you see people make when they're heading out on

[02:08:40] [SPEAKER_07]: the trails to hike your enemy after?

[02:08:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Since we made the most common as being unprepared I think if they just sent

[02:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: it to hikesafe.com and you got the list of the 10 essential items that had those in their

[02:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: packs they probably would have no need to ever call us at all.