Episode 169 - Welcome back Chris BB - Wilderness First Aid, White Mountain History - Stories from the WODC

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_12]: Here is the latest hire summits forecast brought to you by our friends at the Mount Washington Observatory

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The weather above treeline in the white mines has often wildly different than at our trailheads

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Before you hike, check the hire summits forecast at Mount Washington.org

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether observers working out the nonprofit Mount Washington Observatory

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Write this elevation-based forecast every morning and afternoon

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Search and rescue teams, have a lunch experts and back country guides all rely on the

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[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys, Mr. Stop here filling in for the hire summits forecast. Mr. Stop is off

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Bromancing the weekend away with his man crushes and he left me home alone with the cats

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I figured I'd pop in and give you guys the forecast for the weekend

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: For Friday. In and out of the clouds under partly sunny skies, slight chance of rain showers early

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: A high will be in the lower forties. Wind Northwest at 45 to 60 mph early decreasing to 25 to 40 mph

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: The wind chill rising to 20 to 30 above. Ooh, that's a little cold. Might be good for some of what's

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Wall and Guns though. Just saying Saturday mostly in the clear under mostly sunny skies

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: High in the mid 40s. Wind Northwest shifting west at 10 to 25 mph

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Possibly becoming light and variable at times. Wind chill 25 to 35 above. Ooh, so bring your sunglasses

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Bring a jacket, leave your flip-flops at home. Have a good weekend everybody!

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_12]: Bromancing from the whip-pecker studio in the great state of New Hampshire

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_12]: Welcome to the sounds like a search and rescue podcast where we discuss all things related

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_12]: to hiking and search and rescue in the white mountains of New Hampshire. Hear your hosts, Mike and Stone

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Stop on hitting record. Are you hitting record? I just say record, good to go.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, episode 169, the Sory and Late here was almost down a little rabbit hole.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Watching a video on YouTube. I forgot how to do this show.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's funny watching. Do you watch that show the voice?

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not real. It's like an American I'll show. It's like four singers.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you seen it? They sit in a chair and watch the backs of face and the singer.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I like the part with a... I don't know if they do it anymore. I haven't seen...

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I was watching clips of it, but I love when the singer sings.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Then, like, whatever Kelly Clark show hit the button. She spins around and then they go to the family

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: who's watching behind the sea. I love that. It's pretty cool. They get all excited and the mom starts crying.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's great.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So I forget, do they look at this singer or is that they don't look into laughter?

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't know what the person...

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: They have their backs to the singer and it looks like a...

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It looks like a Disney ride chair and then if the singers...

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: They can hear the singer singing and then if they're good, they hit the button.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then at the end of the song, then they'll be like, you can be on my team and be coached by me.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the person, if there's multiple people, the person has to pick which singer to be on their team.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That would be exciting.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But I was watching this... The other thing I like about this show, I don't know. I started off a little weird here.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But like, the celebrity singers, like it rotates.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: There's been like a bunch of different singers on. But like, so this season,

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_04]: you've got Michael Bouble, Gwen Stefani, who's been on for a long time, even McIntyre.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Snoop Dogg is on.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be a coach.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a coach, yeah.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and just as a repackers...

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But the cool thing is, the coaches will do like a...

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's the beginning of the season. They'll do like a song.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And the reason I was like, I watched this thing three times is because they're doing the Eagles hard eight tonight.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they're going to be hard eight tonight.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. I'm not a singer.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But Snoop, like, absolutely kills it. Like, I'm watching Snoop doing like the Eagles.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just fascinating to me that he's got...

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: The rap is not a good singer, but he's got the vibe and the confidence.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was pretty good. I'll put the clip in the show notes and people can judge.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool. Was he rapping?

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Or like, no, he's just... No, he was singing.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But like singing in a Snoop vibe.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So he...

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He made a work.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's a character.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, anyway.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: So that guy, like...

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, repackaged himself and like a PG celebrity now.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's still notorious for marijuana and all that.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So he has one of them.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: He's no one else that's been an advocate for legal marijuana

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: than him probably.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: True, true, true.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is hiking podcast people.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're talking about Snoop Dogg in the voice.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So welcome to episode 169 of the sounds like a search and rescue podcast.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: This week, we welcome back Chris Broden, boss on aka Chris BB.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So BB is an instructor at the solo wilderness medical school.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's also involved in various search and rescue organizations in the area.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's going to come back and do a segment with us and share some of his recent adventures.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about outdoor education and safety.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus we've got the Appalachian Trail fastest known time has been broken.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That's official.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We talked about that last week.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: We've got a couple of stories of people getting lost in the wilderness.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, attempting life changing missions.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: One involves a lost grandpa's stom in Scotland.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: In search of the most remote pub in Scotland.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And then another involves a gentleman who went on a vision quest in the North Cascades of Washington.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And only to realize that he probably should have brought some extra food because he dealt it for 30 days.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, damn.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a long one.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: A lawsuit settlement over a snowball bail crashing into a blackhawk helicopter.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Some history from the one-alanced outdoor club.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Recent hikes on Mount Chikora, Mount Prospect and Jennings Peak.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus we've got search and rescue news from Mount Madison, Mount DeKansa and Perseval.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm Mike and I'm stopped.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get started.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get started, alright.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Stop. So this is the part of the show where we do a hiking buddies.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Why is this a last spot?

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_04]: They come back. They want to do more.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea. We'll find out.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, this is the last one.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is 789 of the hiking essentials.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: 4 tonight.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And uh, yeah, Mike Ladavius says that the Andy sounds like kid from the night writer show.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I could see that.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, let's let's hand it over to the hiking buddies and Mr. Andrew Barlow.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_11]: This is Ben P's from hiking buddies.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_11]: We are a 501C3 nonprofit committed to reducing avoidable tragedies through education, impact

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_11]: for projects and fostering a community of support.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_11]: You can find out more at hiking buddies.org.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_11]: We wanted to say thank you to those who have supported our mission.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_11]: And most importantly, say thanks to those who speak up who ask questions

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_11]: and who are willing to provide guidance and assistance on the trails when needed.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_11]: You embody what it means to be a hiking buddy.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_11]: And now, for all my newer hikers out there, here's this episode's hiking buddies quick tip.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Hiking essentials 5 and 6 repair kit and fire.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_06]: A knife duct tape scissors and a faulty tool which contains a small screwdriver

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_06]: or versatile for safety to make kindling repair vital gear, cut tape etc.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Fire starters such as matches, lighter, tinder, stove, flint and Vaseline soap cotton balls are all good additions.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Christina with White Mountain endurance coaching.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to let you know that not only do I coach endurance athletes, I also coach hikers and mountaineers.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I have plenty of experience in the White Mountains and I would love to teach you how to start out

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: of your beginner. If you're more advanced, give you some more skills to transition from hiking to trail running.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And most of all, teach you how to move safely in the mountains.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever your goals are, whatever your experience says, reach out coaching.crestinaFullsite.com.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to help you.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, did it at it.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So that was good.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you to the hiking buddies and Christina.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: We are a lot.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Appreciate you guys.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, how's the foley is down there, Mike?

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: The foley is not really that good.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a little bit on the highways driving on 95, it's the things are changing but like you can't really tell.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a full vibe yet.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I took a look at the foley and track our souls.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like where I am now, it's coming in so to me, it's still it's sort of strange.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The forest that people look so to yellow this year, it's weird.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But according to the foley, it's track or the great word, great north woods is at 45 to 65% white mountains range.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Is 15 to 30%.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's coming in quick and late region is hovering around 15 to 25% color change, etc. etc. etc.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's coming.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, well I'm excited and I'm actually in no rush because I'm traveling this weekend.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll be back up north, going to the friberg fair with my deep fried Oreo cookie and hopefully experience and foliage.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That's amazing, is that tasty?

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I never had one at all.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, but I just kind of joke about it.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like weary about like all those places, like you know that they don't clean their, like they don't switch out that oil that much.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: True.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: True.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Although works for the french fries, that's all I eat.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's hard to find good places with clean oil.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it then burggy, spurggy's junior, clean oil?

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_04]: True, true.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I did see some video or some pictures of the big E that's the one out in Springfield.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever been to that one?

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: No, nope.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The last one I've been to was top-sfield.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: About 10,000 years ago.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well the big E, I went out there a couple times when I was out in North Adams.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: We went, but it's, I think it's larger, my recollection is it's larger than top-sfield and friberg.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But the main walkway area, like no one could move, it was so crowded, so it didn't look fun.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely overcrowds.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Although it is a good deal.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You get to stay on the edges of those fares.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you can't go to the main areas.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You get to stay at the edges.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're all the rides.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Do they have rides?

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: The kids?

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_04]: At friberg, they do.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And they have a bunch of rides there.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: The guys that run there, I mean, no disrespect, but like, a little scary.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Not the rides, but the guys managing the rides and then you get them.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You kind of like, I don't know about safety quality assurance or things like that.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always been that way, literally since we were kids.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's never changed.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess that's just the aesthetic of the fear.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, three, two, Johnny running the roll across the river.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, did I ever tell you my mom and I when I was a little kid went to Salem Willows

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and they had the tilt of world and there was a skill that was manning it.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And the kid had to be high as a kite looking back on it now and according to my mom's representation of the event.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But the guy kept us on there for like 20 minutes.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't stop the thing and we would be the only two on the ride.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It was the weirdest experience ever.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, flagging them down.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it just wouldn't stop the damn ride.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: How's your mother on the ride with you?

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: There was the two of us.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Now is maybe, yeah, I don't know, six, seven.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, little guy.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's the attach.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Now you said you're not a roller coaster guy, right?

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I am.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm for sure roller coaster guy.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Love it.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: My favorite ride is the, um, the ones that swing though.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the pendulum's like the extreme frisbee things like that.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't be here.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're the pirate ship.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: G-force.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_04]: You have to do the, oh, so we're going to show our rage here.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But remember on the pirate ship and can't be like, you do like taste grain.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Lesch feeling.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_05]: You rock back and forth in their ones.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I would get up to the red taste grain.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm really, that's a deep deep at Gen X, deep cut.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Right there.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So good.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I've totally forgotten.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Anybody remembers that by the way, you're listening like, you know, this is,

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: send something over the, the Instagram so that I'm not,

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that I'm crazy.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So back to hiking.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this is a hiking podcast.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So, um, foliage update.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And then we got reckless update.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: What's, what's the update?

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm just, oh yeah.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I checked today.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm tickets of moving fast.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a, a warning indicator on the ticket site now, seeing that tickets

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: a low.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you haven't picked up tickets do so now.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You can go to the, you can get through the, the reckless site on Instagram or

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: through our link tree on our Instagram as well.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But now's the time to grab the tickets for November 16th.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a, it's a full day event with hiking, music,

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: uh, talking, you know, we're going to do a live podcast for later publication and a bunch of guests, including Thai

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Gagney and, uh, people from Mount Washington, you name it.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a great time.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a benefit for the New Hampshire outdoor council.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, get those tickets.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm going to figure out the details on the hike and what they're doing.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, depending on that situation,

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I may, um, I may jump onto that hike or I may do something.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: A little bit lower salt than that.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And we'll see.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sounds good.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great line.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Excellent.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to want to miss this one.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So okay.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So, um, we had talked about the, um, fastest known time attempt that was going down at the end of

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: last week.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So Tara Dauer is an ultra runner who had been focusing on the, I think originally,

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what original plan was, but basically the, the self bound fastest known time was somewhere

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: around 45 days.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the northbound record was 41 days.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: She, I think it set up to do, um, the fastest known time on the summing self bound.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But what ended up happening is that her pace, she was able to keep about a 52 to 53 mile a day

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: of the pace for 40 days.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: She was able to actually complete the entire trail.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a supported fastest known time together, support crew there.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, she rolled in to spring her mountain, um, I guess, sometimes Saturday night

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and she ended up doing it in like 40 days, 13 hours, something like that.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So she took about 12 hours off of the, um, the prior record, which is impressive.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And she did it with, yeah, very little sleep.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: What I remember very little sleep.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I read a couple of things.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_04]: This guy, um, Chris Mashburn, I think he made a list on the show shout out to Chris.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like a ridge runner.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's, he's worked like the, um, ten-sided miss pup before.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's down in like North Carolina somewhere right now.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But he had written sent an update that one of her support crew had talked about how difficult

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: the beginning stages of it were for them.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so she was a pacer and so she had put in a lot of miles as well.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But basically coming through main hamster was like brutal for them.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And then once they got to Vermont, the weather got a little bit better for them.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think, and they, love a lot.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And they found their groove, but like the early stages of it, there was some questions on how.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, how realistic it was that they were going to make this happen, but she powered through

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think crushed it the last couple of weeks.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's amazing.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, glad you made it through un-injured.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I got a, uh, an email from listener Matt Morse who sends me a bunch of stuff.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And um, there are some haters out there saying, hey, you get to slow down in smaller roses.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That type of attitude.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think they get it.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, come on, it's an athletic achievement.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so like, those are the same people that will be like hike your own hike dude and like they'll yell

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_04]: you for, um, you know, for a million different things.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't win with some people, but yeah, I mean, she was out there to try to break a record.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's her thing and there's a group of people that are into that.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's pretty cool and it's super impressive.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Especially, you know, female runner breaking that record, um, overall is like, you know,

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: let's just state me young girls watching that, looking at that and saying like, okay,

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I could do that in the future.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's, it's a great message.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's great.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So congratulations, Tara.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she's, I saw that she was jumping on a couple of podcasts.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I think she's, she'd make the round.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So if I find any podcasts with her being interviewed all over on my Pinar show notes.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Cool.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, um, stop.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_04]: We now officially into the fall season.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_04]: So summer is over.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I think my rating of the summer.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I will give the summer a nine out of ten because we had maybe one weekend where it

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: rain the whole summer.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'd say this was a good summer.

[00:19:53] Hmm.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd give it a seven because I didn't really enjoy the humidity.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a little overbearing this year.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And, um, yeah.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you also don't have a condition in so.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm really funny.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really funny out that is like at older.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I cannot hike in human weather.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like with the cold temps now, I've been out there with like just crushing it.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just so much easier when it's cold for me.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Very interesting.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So you're like a, you're like a Bernie's mountain dog, like a human version.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, yeah, so I'd give it a seven.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it was a good time as a good summer.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's super good for that.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: In some speaking of seven, I've got a story here that was sent over to me.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you might have gotten this one as well.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: But I had, um, our friend Al sent us over to me and then I think I pulled it up and

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_04]: you got it from Joe Caladasa.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: That's nice, Joe.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So great minds think I like Joe and Al will both on this one.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but seven days is what I had in mind here.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So a grandpa survived seven days after vanishing trying to find Scotland's

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_04]: emotional remote.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, pub.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds so cool.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to do this.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like a former paratrooper.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So, um, and they call him a pensioner.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's what they call retired people in the UK.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So, uh, former paratrooper uses skills to survive the grueling Scottish

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Highlands for seven days after going missing, um, in search of Britain's

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_04]: most remote pub.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So Paul Conway, 67 embarked on a solo mission for the free pint on offer to those

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_04]: brave enough to trek through the craggy terrain towards the old forged pub and

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_04]: secluded peninsula of in verney within the region of Lockabard.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Sounds so cool.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Stop.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I love the names of these places.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So cool.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So he didn't sign in on his second checkpoint.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and I guess there's a 30 mile hike over 3000 foot peaks.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So when he didn't sign in, his family sounded to the alarm, his son.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Chris put out a plea on Facebook asking his father's former paratrooper,

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and he said, well, I wish I could do this in the Scottish accent, but I don't have one.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: 30 miles that 30 miles to get to a pub.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that like legit the only way to get to this pub?

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: But he was basically his dad was due to walk from Glen Finn and Viaduck to

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: the very first time in the UK.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And he calls his dad this is the best.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, the Daffty is 67.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So he calls his dad like, I think Daffty is like British speak for the

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Lunatic.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was just looking it up.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazier deranged.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Daffty.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's a 67.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But he thinks he's 21 and can do anything but he can't.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So dozens of volunteers answered the call to find the retired

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: policeman joining.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And they had mountain rescue dogs and Scottish police.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So the sun was able to give an update.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And they said that his dad was found halfway through the trek to the

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_04]: south of Lockmore.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So he said, on behalf of the whole family I'd like to extend our

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: heartfelt thanks to everyone involved in the search for our father over the

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: past few days.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good health and good spirits after his experience.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And again, thank you to everyone who will find them.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So the daughter then chimed in.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like we had the worst week ever not much sleep full of

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: worry, but amazingly our dad was found and taken to the hospital.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So she says thank you to the Lockerbear Mountain Rescue team,

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: search and rescue dog association of Scotland.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Royal Air Force, law them out and a bunch of other Royal Air Force

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_04]: places that I can't pronounce here.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Incredible.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So they interviewed the the interview, the manager of this old

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: forge pub.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said I'm so relieved to hear that he was found.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_04]: We were so worried and they were all out searching for the guy as

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: well in the sun phoned up to ask if they had seen him.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So he said that they're going to welcome him with open arms and a

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: free pint if he comes in safely the next time.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So he says I think our pub is worth the trip but you know,

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: the water is a little bit more dangerous than the other

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's a lot of things that we can do.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy given another shot.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not know that this region was so full of bodies of water.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can hike but it's interrupted by long five mile

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: 10 mile 50 mile long.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Body of water.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really interesting.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it actually reminds me.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I was looking at some of the some of the pictures of this area

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: It reminds me of Iceland.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's like big waterfalls that are coming through the middle of

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: valleys and things like that.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I did actually I pulled up a video of this old forge.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And it is it's a village if I think there's like 200 people

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_04]: there and the the forge actually it's a bar.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It had closed down over COVID and the previous owners weren't able to

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_04]: to get out of the water.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And they all bought shares in the in the pub to get it reopened.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So now it's owned by the town so there's 90 shareholders.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a private club but they allow visitors to come in and drink

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think that's what they make money.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So I wanted to throw it.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's backed up against a giant forest and then you get

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_04]: picnic tables right in front of a beautiful lake.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got up the coffee donation so we can get out there.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this sounds like a nice one stop to head out to in the middle of the

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: summer when it's human you can get out to the UK and cool off.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, glad he's okay.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The Daff told fellow.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're a Daff.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't encourage it, Mitty.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my son.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I needed you to do when I yeah, I should have had you.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the only thing I could do because I've been practicing it.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite is that the janitor from the Simpsons.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even recall.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I was never a big Simpsons guy.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, yeah, he's so funny like he just like hit with sometimes

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: a rip his shirt open and then he's jacked up old Scottish man.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the chicken.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's pretty good.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, stop.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So this next story is taking me to the North Cascades which is a

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: National Park in Washington.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: This is one of the remote most remote National Parks and

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Washington.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So this is the end point I think on the Northern terminus for the Pacific

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Crest Trail area, but this guy 39 year old wanderer without a

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_04]: permanent address set off for day run in the North Cascades.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So this guy's a Roland stone storm.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: This is in July.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: He had minimal supplies and he just had his dog.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And it up not returning to the trail.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Apparently he was known to do this and go off and do these

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: vision questions, wanders and.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But they did eventually family members didn't hear back from him.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They alerted first responders in early.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: August.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess so I don't know what time.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: In July he took off but by August 30th.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_04]: There was a group of young crew members of the Pacific Northwest Trail

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Association who discovered the Scott Robert shock dangerously

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: amaciated and unable to move but still alive.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_04]: He was lying on the rocky bank of the Chillowak River.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And his rescue has been called improbable amazing and.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_04]: heroic so he spent about a month lost in the North Cascades without

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: food or shelter.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_04]: He did do an interview with like the the Cascadia Daily News.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_04]: From his hospital bed.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So he says he left on July 31st on the Henningin trailhead just outside

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: North Cascades National Park for run with only a daypack in his dog.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Dogs at Chocco Lab named Freddie and the areas one of his favorite places in the world.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But he said he's probably not going to be going back there for a while.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So he was in an adventurous mood that day and he wanted to piece together

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: a big loop possibly by the way of copper ridge.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Which has these awesome views he liked.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a nomadic person and he once lived in Montverne and his hiking camped in the

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Monk Baker area in the past.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So about seven miles down the trail he used a cable car suspended above the river.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen these things before.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It's basically you can just pull yourself over the river.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But he got disoriented by the the changing scenery.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Due to a fire a couple of fires that had gone on there.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So he found a trail sign that sent him to the Canadian border, which was about 20 miles away.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But he wasn't sure if the trail sign was right because it seemed to point south and his T.S.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Phone GPS but no service, no signal.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So he basically just said I'm going to try to hit Canada.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But he eventually just started to like realize that he was being dumb.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like lost.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Eventually he just urged his dog to go home.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: The lab complied.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why didn't follow his dog home.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But the dog couldn't get across the river and was eventually found on the east side of the river.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Hungry with sore paws by the National Park Service employees a couple days later.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But basically shock was his left on his own.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Eventually he claims that he just ended up by this river.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He had no food whatsoever with him.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And he saw some helicopters.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: He heard a chain saw buzzing in the distance.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: He see if he saw a few ball the Eagles that came down and took a look at him.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And he saw a few bears that came by.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_04]: But generally he was just laying by the river for about two weeks.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He was hyperthermic shivering to keep warm.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Only had with his little backpack to shield him against the bitter cold.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was storms that rolled in, drenched the guy.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said he was coherent the entire experience until like the last day or so.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And eventually he was found by this group of trail workers that found him living in the laying on the river.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So, ah, lucky dude.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And they got some pictures of like where they found him, which is like it looks like any river you'd see around here in the north country.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Like a soccer river.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just a bunch of rocks and small river going through it.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was laying there.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm more interested in the dog story than this guy.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He should have just followed the dog and he would have been on the side.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like it.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, but it's interesting that a dog would actually leave his owner.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess the dog couldn't really get across that river.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So they found the dog too on the other side.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Sort of stuck there.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's amazing.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I wonder what the deal is with that that the dog knew.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Like okay, my own is telling me to leave.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I'd have to throw some rocks out or something to get it to leave.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Huh.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We need some more investigation into this story.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, doesn't sound right.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But stop this whole story reminded me of a story that you had done like a while back.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: This is the location where they're reintroducing grizzly bears.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's right.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So over the next like guys, this they made the announcement in April.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But they are starting to reintroduce grizzly bears.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm assuming that the guy maybe got sniffed at by some black bears.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But eventually up there, this is going to be grizzly bears.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're saying that they're not.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I forget what they call non-essential.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's going to be a non-essential reintroduction which means that I think like when they reintroduce

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: walls in the Yellowstone, like maybe that was more of an essential like we have to make this happen.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Where's this is sort of like where just going to do it casually.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And if we can get like a group of like 20 to 25 grizzlies in there, then that's great.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_04]: But they're not going to put any expectations around it.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting dynamic.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder what the decision processes for that.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you had you had gone through an article previously and I think that it was pretty like.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Contentious with the public.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Sounds like Native American tribal leaders are pushing for it.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_04]: They did say that there were grizzlies there about 30 or 40 years ago.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not that difficult.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And then like they started thinking about like reintroducing them, even as late as the late 90s.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So the article seems to claim that like it's such a huge area that if they do put 25 grizzlies in there that the chance of a human seeing

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: them is minimal and they said that like within a hundred years the number could reach as high as 200 bears.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's about it.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Great.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go for a hike.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you go stalker with a person report back.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you have to be amaciated for these grizzlies.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Not to bother with you.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a good luck to the PCT hikers now.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Secondary consequences here.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, all right.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So this one here.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how to we might get canceled on this one because I have opinions but a snowmobile who crashed into a park blackhawk helicopter has been awarded three million dollars by a judge in a federal court case.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So a judge ruled that the federal government was mostly responsible for a nighttime collision that nearly killed a snowmobile or who struck a blackhawk helicopter that was parked on a massive she should trail.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So we had covered this story.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I think this goes on.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, actually we didn't cover this story because it went back to 2019.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't covered this.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we definitely covered it at one point.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we covered it at the lawsuit in the wild.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the guy came around a corner and there's a blackhawk in the middle of the trail.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what happened.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04]: What actually happened is the blackhawk helicopter flew from New York's foot drum to wordings and Massachusetts for a night training.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they exited the blackhawk and obviously it was at nighttime.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think they were going off and doing some kind of training.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_04]: The nighthawk has already camouflaged to 64 foot aircraft and the where they landed was a really used airfield that was also used by snowmobulars.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_04]: So what ended up happening is that this guy, his name is something something Smith.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Jeff Smith.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_04]: His name is Jess Smith. He's a lawyer and the US district judge Mark Maustrioni blamed both parties for the March 2019 crash in his ruling, but said the government was 60% responsible for parking the helicopter on a snowmobile trail.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_04]: He did criticize the snowmobile if we're not operating the craft safely for speeding and for wearing tinted goggles, but he then awarded him 3.3 million dollars in damage.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Smith originally was asking for 9.5 million in damages to cover his medical expenses and lost wages and to hold the military responsible for the crash.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So apparently what happened is that Smith was at his parents' house had a beer for dinner.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: He was, I guess he was helping his mom fix a computer, he had a beer for dinner and then he had another beer with his dad before he headed out to meet his brother on the trail.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So Smith drove in the dark alongside farm fields and forest before going over a ridge.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: His headlights reflected off us on something he said, but Smith only knew it was a helicopter after the crash.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the crew members found him face down on the snow, rolled them on his back and remembered like, you know, to grab, he remembered that he told his crew chief to grab some trauma shares and space blankets from the aircraft.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Guy was gasping for breath. So apparently he broke 12 ribs and he had all kinds of injuries, a punctured lung, severe internal bleeding and he's since been surviving on disability assistance and struggles with simple tasks including putting on socks and pulling up his pants.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And he no longer gals or does snowmobileing.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, that's a lot of stuff. I guess it's a piece of life certainly changed. Yeah, no question about it.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was going 65 miles an hour at night. We're in tinted sunglasses, tinted goggles and he had a few beers in him so I don't know stop.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting stuff, so they settled out huh? So this isn't mass. This isn't mass yeah.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_04]: No way that, but he also sued the apparently this land was owned by like a farm or something. So he sued the owner of Albert Farms airfield and were think 10 accusing them of both giving permission to snowmobileers in the black hawk crew to land in the same area.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So the farmer had to settle with this guy as well.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_04]: They're doing everybody. Yeah.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. So I was just looking back into the old law school stuff. So mass is modified comparative negligence, which is 51% rule. So basically if a plaintiff is found to be partially at fault being the snowmbailer,

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: then their damages will be reduced in proportion to their attributed negligence.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting stuff. I don't know anything. Yeah, so he basically convinced the judge that he's 51% or more.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know enough about snowmobile. Is it reasonable to be going 65 miles an hour at night on a snowmobile?

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and the state of the hamster, it's 45. So I don't know what mass is for their speed limit,

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: but if he was speeding exceeding the speed limit, then yeah, that would be negligence on his part for sure.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But regardless of the speed limit, is it safe to drive a snowmobile? Oh, that's 65 miles an hour at night,

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: but that's comparative as well. I mean, if you've been snowmobileing since you were six years old and you have 30 years experience or if you're a new,

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: depends on your experience level. Okay. Yeah, I would say he was also taken prescription drugs at the time too.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So I got a 51% start to shift your little.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, whatever. I mean, I would have told him, I mean, I feel bad. He's definitely going to try to injuries, but also like just seems like he's driving reckless.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah. I guess so. Yeah, in light of all the other circumstances, the meds and yeah, I funded hard to believe that the speed limit would be 65 for a snowmobile in Massachusetts. I highly doubt that.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, interesting.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And for federal court cases like this, they do they get the choice. They can have a judge here or they can have a jury as how it goes on?

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's your right as a plaintiff. So he just picked a judge. So yeah, yeah, that's your call.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's this also that other level of what is this is what was it our national guard or what was this again?

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. Doesn't say because if it's, oh, it doesn't say.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it's interesting that they actually were able to see what government organization to begin with.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the government was first they were trying to push back on.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_04]: On like I guess that they couldn't be sued under the Federal TORT claims act because a policy decision was involved with the judge disagreed.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So they tried a bunch of different things to get it dismissed and not a bit worked.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. Three point three million bucks.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. Well, I'd rather be able to go snowmobiling myself, but yeah, hopefully it'll take care of him for the rest of his life. So anyway, you want to do a little history segment?

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's go for it.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_12]: Let's dive into some white mountain history.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_12]: Shall we?

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It's time for a little white mountain's history.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you're going.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't mean we're so I spent a little bit of the weekend just reading over the, the one on land sit outdoor club quarterly.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They're quarterly newsletters. So they're pretty interesting. They go back to.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: They go back to about the 1970s early 1970s and a lot.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_04]: The very beginning they're like very like one page typewriter things and then as the late 80s, early 90s come in, they're a little bit more looks like somebody got a Mac.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And they look a little nicer.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is pretty cool.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But I picked up a little but there was a lot going on in the, in the 80s and 90s here. So I picked up a story which I thought was interesting.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So on Mount Whiteface, there used to be a lean tube up there that I think got taken down around 2000 or so.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It was built.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I think around the 1920s and it was called camp here, mancy or here man's.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd give a heard of this.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No, was it up in the summit?

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_04]: There's on the summit.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, apparently there's a little like water source up there on Whiteface.

[00:42:48] Okay.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: That's close to the summit, which I didn't know is going to poke around see if I could find it.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So for about 80 years or so, this lean tube, I guess it got pretty rough.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll put this in the show notes, but like this lean tube is, it looks a little rough.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It's very low to the ground and it looks like they just, they built it by downing trees and then,

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_04]: fitting them together, but they're not super even.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's a little bit different than what you see today that are not as modern.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But nevertheless, lean tube, it was called camp her man's and it was named after a guy who his name is Edgar Hermans,

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_04]: who came to be connected with the want to land set out door clubs through a family friendship with the family called the Fissures

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_04]: who had purchased the property and buildings that later became known as Furncroft in.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So during the summer of 1911, the Hermansy family helped in the opening of the end and then for several years as late as the 1920s,

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Edgar was a frequent guest at one of Lancet.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So Hermans was born in White Plains, New York in 1876 and spent his entire life in New Haven, Connecticut.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_04]: He graduated from Yale in 1897 and the Yale Divinity School in 1899.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_04]: After a year of graduate study in Edinburgh, he was ordained as a congregational minister and served as a pastor in Minnesota until 1913.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_04]: During World War I, he served as a field director for Red Cross civilian relief and returned to New Haven in 1919 where he lived the remainder of his life.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_04]: He ended up buying property in the Hill Country, North of New Haven where he constructed several small cabins taking every opportunity to hike in the area, especially in the rocky ledgers nearby.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: He eventually spent a lot of time up in the White Mountains as well and they had, I guess it was in the 1910s.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Camp Hermans was constructed in 1912 as recorded in the secretaries minutes of the September 9th, Warnalance, it out to our club meeting.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_04]: The camp situated about 50 feet from the spring on the northeastern side of Mount White Face where it commands the sunrise and is well sheltered by spruce growth.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And its name is camp Hermans, so I guess his friends decided to name it after him when he was visiting the fishers at Furncroff.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And he decided to erect a shelter so interesting.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can picture where it would be.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So this guy basically, he kind of learned his chops in on White Face, Passicon way that whole trail system there.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_04]: He built a shelter and then he went on to become the leader in founder of the Connecticut Trail System.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So he was also a founder and chairman of the New England Trail Conference in Executive Director for a decade of the northeastern wood utilization council in editor of various Connecticut walking guides.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So he would come back to a Mount White Face, but what he was most frequently known for is essentially he took all the techniques at the one on the outside of our club.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He learned from them and he took him down into Connecticut and applied them to the trail building down in Connecticut.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So if there's any and I know we get a lot of listeners in Connecticut.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_04]: There is like a dedication to him and I think it's like this is parked down there actually at what it's called giant something down there.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a dedication to this guy, but he basically it's funny how you know in football you have these head coaches who then pass on like to assistant coaches who become head to these like this legacy.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_04]: He basically learned his chops from the one-alance at club and then took it down to Connecticut and that's all the trail systems that are in Connecticut.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Our due to this guy.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, that's great.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Quite a legacy right?

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a sleeping giant park in Connecticut which there's a dedication to him out there but he learned a lot of what he learned in one-alance it.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the other thing I found out is I was looking through these and this guy's name George Zink came up very frequently so from like the late 70s all the way up until the early 2000s.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_04]: George Zink was the I think he was involved as a president or the one-alance at outdoor club and he was one of the him and his wife or sort of the chief people that did the weekly newsletters.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So he was a long time member of the one-alance at outdoor club and he was eventually honored around 2000 by the US Forest Service with its wilderness excellent excellence award.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's an interesting article about that George writes in one of the weekly newsletters in 1985 there was like a law that was passed.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_04]: That I guess essentially said like now is your time.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, there was a law that was passed in like E3 I think and essentially said like we're opening up petitions for people the designate wilderness regions in the US and it's going to close in 1995 or 1985.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So essentially you had like two years to put in a petition to get approval to get wilderness sections designated so at the time to send which wilderness was not a wilderness location.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So George was one of the main guys that worked with the state senators in New Hampshire at the time to testify in Congress to advocate to get the wilderness designation for the sandwich wilderness range.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So he was the main guy that did that and he was air involved in one of the lands at outdoor club.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So I thought that was pretty interesting and they have like in the newsletter they have a whole summary of like all the politicians that were there the responses.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, it's just a very interesting time period to check out.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'll put a link in the show notes for people to check it out and if they want to read about George or they want to read about her man shelter.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_04]: There's all kinds of interesting tidbits and in these these newsletters.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great story. Yeah, the sandwich range is still one of my favorite locations in the whites.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're mysterious and it's got a different vibe.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_04]: It's got a different vibe.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the other interesting things that I was reading through these newsletters is it comes up frequently was in the early 80s there was a lot of talk about usage fees because it was like two.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_04]: There's too many people coming to the white mountains, too many people getting in trouble.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_04]: We got to put in like a permit system and they were talking about how like that was on the agenda for the four for service and how we going to manage that and all this stuff.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like something's never changed.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_04]: They've been talking about this for 45, 50 years.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's worked out.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, it's worked out without having the permit system.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We're all paying our parking tickets parking past isn't parking car for the day.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's true.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is true.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_12]: We all know that hiking a mountain can be hard at times.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_12]: So here's a corny dad joke to help you get over it.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_12]: But I'm about.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, stop enough history.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Now is the time of the show where we do a dad joke here.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So why did the fish refuse to play basketball?

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he was afraid of the net.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, that's a good one.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You got a second one.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember last week that's it.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I get a slow my roll a little bit.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a good one, jokes.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, so now's the part of show where we do a advertisement here.

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[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: A little reminder, we'll probably have a bunch of stickers and things that

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the show on the 16th but you can also get stickers that's

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Gefinatics off of exit 28 in camp than the Hampshire or down at Spinner's Pizza

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Poller celebrating the 30th anniversary this year in and over.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's off of Daskam Road 93.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Say how to dolls and pops.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The sales for the bonfire swag have kicked off again.

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So people are buying the awesome hoodies that are up there.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the link for the bonfires on the Instagram as well on the

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: link tree.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what else we have a couple coffee donations actually won this week.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's from Mary B who donated five coffees and thank you Mary.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: The Barmy Coffee site is a great way to support us in our adventures.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll get us out to Scotland and pay off Mike's bills for his gold

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: teeth that he got.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, by the way, how is that going?

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, I'm complaining about my teeth.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm back to normal.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: No kidding is it all resolved?

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like yeah, mostly we're talking pain anymore.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like an annoying lump in the roof of my mouth.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I know for that.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's it.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you Mary.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I can just put in a plug for if you want to go into Apple podcast and give us five star

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_04]: review that would be great.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Our overall rating is 4.9.

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[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And this week, I'm you're probably not drinking in this week right?

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause you're I I back I'm back to drinking.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, what you got.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's the part of the show where we talk about what we're drinking for beer.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So I got a green head IPA on a new report mouse.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Good stuff.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's okay.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a little bitter.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, this is a mine's just a classic juice daddy by a great of good.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Imperial juicy.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: New England IPA and it's really tasty.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_02]: This part of the first beer I've had in several weeks because I've been sticking to the

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: the ciders.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we do get the great of goods.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, camping cupboard.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Then right down the road.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they have a great spot.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_04]: With the cupboard.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I got we go there and wish her.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_04]: They sort of like right next to my daughters campus there.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's okay.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the great good.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're right down there.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, great.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_04]: They're right by wister polytex.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: A little plug for the camping cupboard.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: They are the little shop that could.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: They have the best beer selection around.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so great.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's right down town.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm going to get you.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I knew we should have gone left back there.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Stop, don't worry.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I know it's this way.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I've got a feeling in my gut.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, are you sure you're not about to have a bowel emergency?

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, totally.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We got this.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just blew up my hip.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Fell down that gully with my 40 year old microspikes.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's suck at upstop.

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's 4pm.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_03]: We're at 3,500 feet.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_03]: We got nine miles back to the parking lot.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Your leg may be broken.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We got no cell connection.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And we can't feel our fingers.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're finishing all of my list tonight.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I need some water.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm empty.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I would if I could see what I'm doing.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But my headland battery is a dead.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You gotta be kidding me.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_03]: What a chompa.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the last time I hike with you.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Mr.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know me?

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_12]: I would park us.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_12]: Whatever.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_12]: Let's find out what Mike and Stomp have been hiking.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Check it out.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So now Stomp is the time to show.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We talked about recent hikes.

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Where you been?

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been all over the place for the first day of fall.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Stomp and I did mount prospect, which is in holdiness.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a modest thing.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like 1.7 miles up or so.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But they have shut off the middle of the trail, the middle third of the trail.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And they've opened up this meandering.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be at least a mile extra.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Possibly a mountain bike trail that they're using while they renovate other portions.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But it seems like a whole new experience.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Mont Prospect is a peak that overlooks.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It has this really great eastern view.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can see the southern end of the squam range and you can look further north and see.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, we found a couple like hidden ledges that were off the summit to the northeast that we're amazing.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think we could see all the way towards Frank Honey and whatnot.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So very nice time.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And then secondly, I just did yesterday.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I just begged the Jennings loop there so I went up to Nunes Peak.

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: A sandwich mount trail.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Which my god that thing is steep and that's a buck kicker.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot how steep and challenging that one is.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's that flat section that was really dry.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: A couple muddy spots not too bad.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Up to Jennings and then down.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Downs broke or Drake's broke is it?

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_02]: What is it called?

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Drake's.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_04]: How can't remember?

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait wait, well I'm getting my Drake's and downs mixed up here.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Drake's which is the one over by tri pyramids off of the cake.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that down's?

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's down's broken.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so it's Drake's then.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, sorry everybody.

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's Drake's.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think a clock's in probably the whole thing maybe seven miles.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was nice.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: What a beautiful day.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're just coming in.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: No people.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: This is nice.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to sneak things in before the.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Clock's changed because right now you can get out work at still haven't enough time

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to weighing out something of what you might guess will you've been good for you I

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_04]: had a whole big plan.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to go up to graph to not and enjoy the foliage and like bull'd, but my friend

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_04]: J wanted to join me.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_04]: But then he started whining about I got it again home by four o'clock blah blah blah

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was a while.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess i want to go with another person than be friendly.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was like well, let's just switch it up and he's not a hiker

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_04]: He isn't you got on a little bit, but I isn't on a ton. So I was like well, let's just go to Chikora

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And that'll get you home by four o'clock. So I just took him up the you know

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_04]: When I take my friends, I always want to take him to like a spectacular hiker

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So I knew this would be good. So we just did carolage and then went up to

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Three sisters and middle sister and then over to Chikora and then down pipe rules

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like a weird day like the ceiling on Chikora was like you've got covered by clouds and then it rose up again

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So you have that it was cool. It had some good views because of the ceiling did rise up

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it was good time he had a good time. He was a little bit bogged by the time we finished pipe or but he was good

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And a few surplands

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm gonna travel in this weekend and then next weekend

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna be doing the friberg fare and then my daughter once I get out and do a 4,000 footer

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe the wild cats. I don't know. Oh, that sounds great. This is this is days big weekend for the captain

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: finishing his yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow wasn't we're recording early, but he's leaving Friday morning with Liz

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean and I are biking up Friday afternoon up Sawyer River Road which is still closed and he and I probably gonna start

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta go all the way up five miles and then start start at the helicopter pad

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna get dark at that point. So we're gonna have to walk in three miles in the dark

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think which is fine, but what would this one and a half inches of rain it might be a little gnarly

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You guys should camp on the helicopter pad and then if they land on you

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You can sue them for 3.3 million

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's right

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: They're coming quick move the sleeping bed

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I tell you I'll keep you posted. It should be pretty good

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It was not be taken the dog or is the dog saying home? I don't think so

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this would be a little bit much for the dog

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna march yeah, but two nights at the captain back packing

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: All right well, yeah, there'll be no bug so enjoy. Yeah

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, this is you can get a shame drop here a stop. Oh my I did

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I was like being mr. expert to my friend Jay and I was like explaining the him the whole history of

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Trail signs and how they would say sky that did done all the trail signs and he had like

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Bill you know they had made the trail signs and flushing the high school in New York and he had you know

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Put up thousands of trail signs

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I was lecturing him tell one of my listen. I'm gonna educate you and then I wasn't paying attention

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And then we were at the trail split between shampney falls and Piper continues on

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I went down shampney falls for like five minutes and then I realized I was a wait a minute

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It is the wrong way

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's so great

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's like oh good thing I followed you mr. X

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Whoopsie oh man

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, so this is part of show we need notable listener hikes of the week

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_12]: It's time for slasher's notable hike of the week if you want to be considered for the hike of the week

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_12]: Simply tag slasher on your social media post

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have some good ones this week

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want a tag slasher in your adventure to be considered for the hike of the week

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Do so and we'll do a best to get you on the list this week. We have oh by the way

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: There was an issue with Instagram so for whatever reason people tag

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The podcast I can see the pictures

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I can but there's no description of what it is sometimes so there's some glitch going on with either in my phone or

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: With Instagram itself, so I apologize if I've missed you this week because of it

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But we do start with Liz Fay who hiked flat mountain pond as part of the 500 highest

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: peaks and that's a great area

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: There are one two three peaks in that area that you can bag for the 500 highest

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I've done one of them from the waterville side

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Going up flat your cascade but there are two others. There's a shelter there with a beautiful pond so you can check that out

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel on until if I say that correctly

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Was in Iceland and hiked or climbed

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Fall jocul and outer glacier of the Iceland's largest ice cap

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Vay nager cool is that how you say that Mike you've been there

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The nager calm. I don't know I was looking at that like yeah, that sounds alright. Okay, so that sounds like a grand adventure

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I didn't make it that far out

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_04]: East like I stopped a little bit before that at the bottom of the langaver trail. So yeah, it's a cooler

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let's see Duchess three six six three did the Hancock loop the Hancock's a part of the nehamsha 48

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oak star came in with a single season summer nehamsha 48 completing all of them in the summer

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Finishing on the kinsman's and cannon

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice work

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Elby Boyd mount man's field for New England 67 4000 footers

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody they finished the New England 67

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: On mount meance field. Okay, I

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Believe okay that's impressive or maybe not I don't know

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the juries out on this one

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, maybe it's just a single I'm gonna go with it just just the single but I'm sure I'll get

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Direct messages on Saturday

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Some it's neck attack who is a good friend Andy

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Did the tri pyramids via the slides nice work and Andy I thought you'd disappear there for a while because I couldn't find your

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Classic Xbox handle, but now he's back some it's neck attack

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark S like the desolation trail via soy road and Karigan notch

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's and let's see it says in which I finally finished all 34 of the T25 trails that are on

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Trish and her daughters list I think there's a sun in the mix too, right?

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Trish have two daughters one daughter and son

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's two daughters two daughters. Okay. Yeah after completed the the 48

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see and 52 I can say the T25 is hands down my favorite of them all such a great collection of unique

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Challenging in remote trails and then finally run the mountains also was up on Karigan via wilderness and desolation trails

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Some good stuff this week pretty remote challenging

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think Mike any winners this week or is it gonna be a winner winner for everybody?

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Let me see here so I've got my students cool

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So definitely folks star he's got the single season 48. I'll be bored

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know if she's finished the new England 67 or I'm like looking at her Instagram right now

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_04]: She's got like some amazing photos

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: In the case Alberta and stuff so I'm gonna give her a

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Notable hike of the week

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And then yeah Mark yes killing it on all those lists of congratulations

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And then was much rejoicing

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Right awesome nice work for all the other people sorry

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Mike wasn't impressed

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And what I want all right stop so now we're gonna get we're gonna get in with segment with Chris BB and

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Jump into this with him and learn a little bit about Dante's updates in his world. All right. Let's check it out

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Deterde it

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Chris you

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Bring this back again round two

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_13]: I am

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_13]: Ready to rock and roll

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it took take about 140 episodes for it to I think you'd have forget on the first experience so we appreciate you coming back

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Frequent flight

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Is that the screen in you remember the last time you were on like yeah, it was pretty it's

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, well

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's been a long time so you were on episode 21 and we're on episode 16

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's been a couple years so we wanted to

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you come back and join us? I don't know stop do you want to kick it off and do you best to give

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Chris BB an intro here?

[01:06:42] Yeah

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you can introduce yourself and intro oh boy well

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see yeah, Chris is Chris is my my man crush obviously so he was my

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: My solo instructor several years ago

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like you remember that scene in Indiana Jones or the

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The student batting her her eyes and I said I love you

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_13]: No, you you the I was always impressed you were able to write that

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a little sloppy but I got the point of growth

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I met you during a solo

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Instruction course

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Will in this first aid over at Canon for as part of the search and rescue and you just killed it was so much fun

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Long story short

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Got you on to the episode 21 and

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew you be ahead because you were just

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So funny and just have so much information about how to stay safe in the mountains and

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: What to do in?

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: situations that you may find yourself in that you may not expect and how to to manage those things and get out

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Self-rescue all all kinds of great information so yeah

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But seriously you are you are man crush for sure

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_13]: First of all most everything else

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, well I'll still I'll step away at the end of the show and that you guys do would have he and a do but

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So Chris why don't you just introduce yourself good a little bit of background for listeners who may not have

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Listen to the first episode

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, so I well, let's see I

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Currently work as a paramedic full-time

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_13]: My background

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_13]: Prior to getting into the world of human rescue was in veterinary rescue doing disaster response work

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_13]: Both nationally and

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_13]: Internationally and did that for about 15 years

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_13]: My first introduction to new England actually was coming up to new handshirt to do a class with solo back in 2011 to take one and I was

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_13]: I remember

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_13]: Such a cool

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_13]: Experience because I'd never I didn't know there were classes in how to improvise that was something we did on disasters just out of

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_13]: Period necessity like oh yeah, we don't have the equipment. I guess we'll just wing it

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice cat

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a cat just walked across the screen. Yeah, it was nervous

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_13]: So it was it kind of blew my mind and I was like wow there's actually programs where improvising is

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_13]: That's what you're expected. It is such a cool idea and

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_13]: Was got the sort of crazy good good fortune of solo asking if I wanted to train to teach with them and

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_13]: Started coming back up every summer to do that

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_13]: Shortly after my class got involved with the fire service and did that for the next

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_13]: 13 years in

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_13]: Kentucky in Conway and was up here full time in 2013 and joined the

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_13]: Surgeon rescue and swift water rescue teams and

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_13]: I've just been sort of exploring different avenues of like rescue and training and education and the outdoors and

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_13]: Always sort of looking for new opportunities to

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: When the three and die you can study yourself a pretty habit hiker outdoors personally

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_13]: Outdoors yes honestly. I always feel like sort of a stick in the mud. I don't

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_13]: Hiking always winds up being the like it's a necessary component of other things

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_13]: I do like oh yeah we need to go hike to get to this climb or

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, there's a decent approach to get to the ski but

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, I

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Anytime someone goes yeah, I was thinking of hiking this do want to come like I would like to spend time with you

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And if that means hiking to do it sure we'll do that got it so you're not not one that's going out there

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Like me and stop just peep bagging peaks just for the fun of it then so you're not a hiker

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_13]: I actually thought about it. I think I have and I'm not no hyperbole here

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_13]: I think I've done way more hikes as part of rescue so that I have out of recreation yeah and the

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: The I guess the work that you do so you've been able to travel around to you. Do you still travel a lot or you pretty much home based now in the ham shirt at this point?

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_13]: I would say I'm home based more but that's

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_13]: I

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_13]: Guess my standards are a little skewed because I've become I just bought my first home that's over in love home main

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_13]: But I've been home based since last October

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_13]: I just got back last autumn from

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Deploying out west with a

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_13]: What's called Remst team which is a

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_13]: Robescue paramedic team that gets

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_13]: attached to a hot shot or wildland fire crew doing any

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_13]: Fire operations in mountain terrain

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_13]: And I remember as I've done a few times going oh it'll be something new

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_13]: You know I've spent plenty of time in New England try something else out and that was out there for about six months

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Was like no, I'm just I'm just doing when

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_13]: So

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_13]: I've been stationary in one spot

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_13]: But only since last October. Do you have her yeah?

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: My my father was up in that like he's in brownfield so it's a you know root root five

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll be careful walking on the road. That's where Stephen King got run over as if in love old

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: That's he got hit by the car back there

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_13]: It's really gotta I think the wind out of your sails to go oh my god, I could get an autograph

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_13]: And then that's how it would come me like yeah

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_04]: He's walking the wrong way on

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: root five up there but

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Question for you about the fire situation is do you um do you have an opinion like I feel like in New Hampshire like we've had these small spot

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: fires, you know with there's been a couple of flare ups over the last like five or six years where

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You know multi-day or there's enough where it teams going on the

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Sam sure do you ever think of we prime for a big one when it comes to forest fires?

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Or do you not is that not your real area of expertise

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_13]: So I would be talking a bit out of turn on that but I think you know

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_13]: The up in the downside is that we tend to have so much

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_13]: moisture and fairly well managed

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_13]: For us because

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_13]: In part because of the size of the forests

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_13]: Whereas out west there's such vast

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_13]: tracks of land that trying to really stand top of

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_13]: prescribed burns and reducing fuel loads just becomes sort of insurmountable

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_13]: And we don't tend to have the same

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_13]: like wild swings in temperature where you know in Oregon you can go from

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_13]: Like late spring where you're still wearing you know a light puffy to

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_13]: You know a couple weeks down the road everything is just dead dry grass

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_13]: And

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_13]: It was interesting for me being here when we make it all it's a high fire alert day so

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_13]: You can't have any open burns

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_13]: Whereas in Oregon you can't have a fire like during fire season you can't have a Jamaica nothing's burning

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_13]: And so think everything becomes much more of a tinder box out there and we don't

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_13]: At this point don't seem to have that problem the same extent

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_13]: So I think that's that's part of it

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you feel like if we did ever get a big one in this area like do you think that the local personnel was prepared and ready to

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Be activated or is it just pretty standard that you have to expect you're gonna get outside help for these forest

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean there's the

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_13]: The

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_13]: Forest Service really sort of read in the book on like multi-agency response

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_13]: Out of necessity more than anything else because

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_13]: Very rarely do you go. Okay, we've got a forest fire. It's just gonna be managed in this region by this forest or by this state even

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_13]: But okay, this is kicking off. We're just gonna start pouring resources at it because

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_13]: If they can come in heavy and and I salated quickly then they're not chasing it for three months straight

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Hopefully so they tend to pour a lot of resources for multiple states pretty rapidly on it

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Um as far as the education goes with safety and in hikers and and training people on

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So wilderness first aid has it been any new trends that you've seen over the last year or two that that you find

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting that are starting to pick up. I think that there's like

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You know like we've looked at search and rescue test stuff with like drone technology and things like that

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Is there any medical technology that you've seen that that's interesting that's certain get deployed

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_13]: um

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_13]: You know it's hard in with wilderness stuff. I would say less so other than

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_13]: Sort of like knowledge based resources. I think there's a lot more training out there. There's a lot more types of training

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_13]: You know

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_13]: And instead of just having like oh, I took a first aid class like people could do a first aid class

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_13]: They could do a stop the bleed class they could do

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_13]: You know their courses on land nav there's

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_13]: You know I think there's a lot more people just going after

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_13]: Education as well to to learn what to do

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_13]: As opposed to like oh, I'm going after this because I need this training for my job

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_13]: I definitely saw more of a shift over the years with people going well

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_13]: I do a lot of hiking so I thought I should have this. That's a good thing. Yeah, that's a good thing which

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_13]: I think is great and it's way more

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_13]: Proacty, you know, I almost felt bad when I have students say that like

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I you know I ride my belt my colots. I figured I should take a a course on this. I'm like oh, I've done a lot of dumb things

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_13]: And never the course has to prepare what's for them

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Really good idea

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_13]: And I think with things like hike safe and

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_13]: You know just like even leave no trace having things like this

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Ten essentials as a list that's published and dispersed it gets people going oh what else don't I know?

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_13]: What else what other gaps and knowledge should I have to go out there as opposed to the sense of

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_13]: Sort of blissful entitlement that if I can get there, I'll do fine being in it

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_13]: I think

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_13]: There's been a lot more information dispersed about what you need to know before you get into it

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_13]: And then I think that kind of what's people's appetite for

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_13]: Getting better and better prepared yeah and the

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So the solo classes that you see can you just give an intro to people that aren't familiar what is solo and what type of classes they offer?

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_13]: So solo as a school that started in New Hampshire and Conway back in the 70s

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_13]: And

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_13]: What it was trying to do is bridge the gap between

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_13]: What folks were doing

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_13]: Backcountry, you know whether they were backcountry skiing which was a lot of them or climbers back then

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_13]: When they were accidents and you had folks that were trained as paramedics or docks

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_13]: That were then trying to go well

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_13]: Everything that we've been trained to do are skills that were designed around like a 15 to 20 minute transport time

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_13]: But it's gonna take a six hours to get this person out of here and

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, they may bring someone into a hospital and have a doc a why did you do that?

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_13]: This was totally inappropriate. You should have done this instead

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_13]: They shouldn't have been left in that condition for that long and it sort of set a

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_13]: A light bulb off that oh there's a big gap in the knowledge

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_13]: We have

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_13]: Is designed to be used in a setting that

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_13]: We're not working in and how do we

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Concomend with teach people to think outside of the box and that was what

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_13]: Dr. Hubble and a number of sort of early pioneers out here began to work on was how do we

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_13]: How do we

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_13]: Take people that are working in these settings and give them some best practice

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Ideas on how to provide care in an austere environment that we're all decorated in it

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And these these classes can be taken by like people that want to hit the NEMT background and then like you said

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They can be regular hikers mountain bikers backcountry skiers basically anybody that wants to

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Enhanced their skills in any sort of medical

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Treatment for backcountry injuries and like you see if this is basically like learning these skills can help

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: By some time to get get somebody out and you maybe maybe get somebody out on your own also my

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Recollection is as if you do take this class

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a pretty damn good chance that you're gonna get called out on a rescue. It seems like that's pretty pretty common right?

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_14]: That is true

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_13]: That was honestly one of the funnest things when I was teaching for solo full time was

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_13]: Brain students out on rescue so it was a very convenient resource for fishing game as well to go

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_13]: Hey, you know we have some of the broken ankle. Do you have a class going that could go?

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah hang on one second quick show hands who wants to go on a rescue right now and then get back on the phone

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, they're 18 of us out of your way now

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_13]: and

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_13]: one of the the best parts was seen the level of excitement the students would have like oh my god

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_13]: We'd get to do this and I think that statement stops coming out of armouts on search and rescue after like number three

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I'm going to do this but there's so much that like oh I get to leave home again in the rain at night to do

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_14]: Wait

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_13]: And when you have students they're so excited you're like oh, yes, it's a wonderful privilege and it is it totally is but it's great seeing that

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_13]: Unadulterated enthusiasm

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_13]: Get crushed or they start hiking up

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_13]: Exactly, no, oh, it's still swimming in the mountains. This is wonderful

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then the reality sinks in like you get a like figure out how you're gonna navigate a litter across a

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_04]: trail that's only one body wide

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, how heavy how heavy you want my favorite

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_13]: Questions from students is when they would go oh can I get on the litter next and can

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_13]: You can get on the litter as much as you are super wise

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_13]: Right

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: you

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Over the years has your like teaching skills like have you

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Worked have you had to work a lot to sort of get

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Your teaching skills to the point where you can sort of capture the audience or like what what's evolved the most when it comes to just teaching on its own

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_13]: I think for me one of the things that I learned

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_13]: Early on you know, I would

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_13]: Realized over the years that

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_13]: Teaching is a

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Process that has to happen in retrograde it's gotta go backwards so when I mean is rather than going hastet down

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_13]: I've gotten idea what I'm going to put in front of you

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_13]: You can do that and then you lose a certain portion of the classical yeah, I already know that part

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I've already heard that before but instead going hey where are you all at?

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_13]: What what have you seen what are you what questions did you come in with what

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_13]: Anxiety's did you what things do you not think you can do?

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_13]: And now I can start to figure out how to steer the ship between those

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_13]: And so I think that was something that changed a lot for me over the years was being able to

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_13]: See you know that that students had

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_13]: Then coming in with knowledge wasn't didn't complicated things it was that was sort of my guiding tool

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_13]: And now I actually have a harder time and I go all right so what questions do you guys have and I get a room full of silence like oh, okay now I have to come up the plan

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_13]: And then something that I'm shifted for me a lot in the past couple years

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Is and

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Stop can you test this I always strove to be sort of the comedic presence in front of the class

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_13]: um

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_13]: And then found more and more that

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_13]: You know the calls that

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_13]: Do you really struggle with you know the ones that that are hard to get past the rest use that it's sit with you longer

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_13]: Those send me the ones you don't want to bring up. You don't want it to turn out funny

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_13]: But I think when you can acknowledge those parts and go hey, here's something that was really hard for me. Here's

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_13]: Here's what I took away from this

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_13]: Not only does it become a real moment of connection for a lot of people in the class

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, okay, this is real the stopping

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_13]: You know stand up and this became real life

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_13]: But I think it also

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_13]: As a human element of

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_13]: Vulnerability were students who go, okay. I'm not just hearing

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_13]: This person that has all this experience telling me all the ways to do things right

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_13]: They just told me about the time that something went wrong for them

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_13]: So I guess I'm allowed to have that margin of error. I but it's I don't need to be afraid to the expectation is perfection the expectation is

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm a human I'm going out to help another human how do I meet them on their level and just hope for the best

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_13]: And I've started to

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_13]: Embrace more of that in my teaching nowadays

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_13]: Which is something that it was hard for me to do. I you know, it's hard to shift gears

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I got it wrong laughing by the way sad story. Whoa without that brought them to the down. Never mind back to funny

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_13]: So I think that's been probably one of the biggest things that I've I've shifted in my teaching as of

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_04]: The last years and do you think is it is most of the

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Material like we talked a little bit of all like new advances and new things

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I think in education like people are always sort of looking at like okay what what's the new way to do English

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_04]: What's new way to do math and like let's teach these new techniques and maybe it'll be better about a lot of times

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You find the like okay well

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_04]: The same standard things like that we figured out and you know 20 years ago still work pretty well

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So have you found that it's it's pretty

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty similar what you've been doing for the last 10 15 years

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean we always find sort of new stuff in hospital medicine that we can then

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_13]: You know that's our proving ground is you know

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_13]: We used sort of what's considered best practice in the hospital from people that are constantly immersed in this and how can we apply it in a remote setting

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_13]: I think

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_13]: One of the biggest things though that

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_13]: becomes important is just getting people past the hurdle of

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Convince in themselves either they they're not gonna be able to do it or they don't know enough or they're gonna make something worse

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_13]: um

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_13]: and

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_13]: That to me is a really fun challenge where you can take

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_13]: You know current studies and go hey

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_13]: based on this study the odds of you

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_13]: Making it better by just doing anything or

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_13]: Astronomically higher than you making it worse don't worry about it. You're not gonna mess up

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_13]: You trying to do whatever makes sense to you is probably just gonna make it better

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_13]: um

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_13]: And when you can start to see people shed that weight of anxiety or

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_13]: gain that that you know cloak of confidence

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_13]: That to me is one of the the really rewarding parts and in teachings and they will always

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_13]: I always heard not to do this. Okay, well, let's go over the

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_13]: You know the research the data the brass hacks of that scenario and

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_13]: Decide what you want to move forward with and

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_13]: I know something for me that's helped a lot over the years of work in suitor for knee-arms in my career and

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_13]: The number of times that I'd see a patient command and go to the docking. What do you think it is?

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_13]: There you go. But I don't know

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm waiting for lab work from catskans to come back and then I'll come up with an idea

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_13]: There's like oh that's I

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Then I don't know being the answer

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_13]: And it's made me that much more

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_13]: Confident and comfortable going yeah, I've no idea what the problem is. I can just treat the complaints

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Then make someone comfortable

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting up there in age

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Stomps a little older than iambv but I'm getting up there need

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm one of the things like my

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly like the thing that I think about the motion

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think about it that often but like from a medical perspective

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: being out in the trail

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: You're in your 50s now and you start seeing these older men that have these medical issues on trail

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I read an article a couple of weeks ago about a guy that actually talked about

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Himminess friend when hiking in the hamster and it was sort of his experience coming down the him and new sick trail where

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_04]: His friend had a medical issue. We had to do

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: CPR on him wait for some rescuers

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_04]: My standards came by eventually, but he was sort of all by himself

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So do you have any sort of what do you cover that in in the class like to talk about like okay if there's a medical

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Issue and you're on your own with a with a partner

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Or you come up on somebody and they're having like a heart attack or stroke or something like that is that

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have like advisor

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Any thoughts around how how are you approach that on trail?

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean I think the I guess a few answers both you know a wilderness first aid class

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Just because of the time length till late two day class

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_13]: Plans is on a lot of that stuff a wilderness first responder corresponds a lot more time getting in down with it with medical emergencies and management on the trail

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_13]: I think the two sides

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_13]: in my you know from my perspective

[01:29:38] [SPEAKER_13]: of that coin is

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_13]: You know we we all only have a finite number of days here and

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_13]: I think a lot of times there's a tendency to

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_13]: Go on I need to dial it back and you know I'm getting older. I got to I got to slow down

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_13]: And I think if we can be realistic

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_13]: About the things we do and go I know

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_13]: I may not you know I'm putting myself in a level of greater risk

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_13]: But if this happens to be the day for me it's gonna be a really wonderful day up until the end and

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_13]: The other side of that being whoever we're with you know if we are out there

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_13]: It doesn't matter how much training you have every every piece of you know

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_13]: data on on stabilizing medical emergencies is based on

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_13]: You know to access to definitive care at a timely manner and when we're out in the woods that

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_13]: Isn't available and so I think just having

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Each person needs to be able to do their own assessment of your own hey I realize maybe I'm taking a higher risk my friend is getting older

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_13]: He's got some medical issues, but he wants to do this trail maybe this doesn't go well

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_13]: If they if if we could do that for a friend and know that what we have done is supported them

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_13]: Doing something that lit up their last day

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_13]: That's amazing

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_13]: If it doesn't go the way that everyone's hoping

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_13]: I hate to see people carry around the weight of guilt that they couldn't do more in an impossible situation

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_13]: And that I that I think is

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Worth consideration you know people go I should I feel like I should have done more like you had a backpack here on the trail

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_13]: You did it you did enough by being out there that's

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You were and you were living life the way that you wanted to live it so

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps this is time for the cliche they died doing what they love

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Stardust to me and you're with me you better start kissing me and figure it

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You better start figuring something out because I'm not ready

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: As far as the you know when you get into these classes and you are teaching people about like a

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a practical aspect to this and I know I I see this sometimes with um

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It'd corporate where we have to role play and do you guys role play and do you have to actually like

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You have one person that's sort of like the center of attention and

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Assuming you have to get to the point where it's like you look don't be nervous and they're gonna be nervous

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Like what do you do to you know this set them at ease a little bit or you just tell them to suck it up

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean that's a huge part of the you know wilderness medical classes is just hands on practice with one another and

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_13]: I think there's two sides to that coin when you're in a class

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_13]: I don't I honestly don't know what's more awkward

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_13]: We have someone that your buddies with and they you know, okay now you're gonna treat them

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_13]: You've got to put your hands on him and touch him and you're like oh man

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_13]: I don't want to know this guy for 10 years. I work with him. This is weird or being in a room with a stranger

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_13]: real like hey I didn't catch your name but I need to start patting patting you down from head to toe

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_13]: looking for make pulleys

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_13]: And

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_13]: I can

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_13]: Say with great confidence it gets absolutely no less awkward after

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_13]: Go out of 13 years of doing this

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_13]: um

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_13]: And

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_13]: I think you know the key is just that just talk to people, you know anything you're getting nervous and uncomfortable with

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_13]: They're nervous and equally uncomfortable and I think the upside is that for patients in real life

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_13]: When they're freaked especially in the woods they're freaked out that they're injured

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_13]: They're freaked out that they can't get out of this place that's getting darker and colder and more isolated

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_13]: They're worried about the awkward stuff is almost not existed

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_13]: That's 100% on us we were like well I didn't want to touch them there. I didn't want to you know grab heat like they don't care

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_13]: They just want to get help that's fine. They're no worry

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And can you talk about like so you have a background in swift water as well have you been doing any any river

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Rescue activity recently

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_13]: The actually the last oddly for the season the last time I was out on a rescue

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_13]: Had to

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_13]: No sorry one this past winter

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_13]: During the flooding in Conway and we had taken

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Hey

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_13]: We went out on a raft in the way it's two people in hard boats and basically we're working with the National Guard and fishing game

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_13]: To in one of the neighborhoods who is

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_13]: Pretty heavily impacted right along the Soko

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_13]: People were able to call but they were folks that were stuck in their houses sitting on like their dining room tables to get out of the water

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_13]: and

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_13]: part of the problem was that the

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_13]: You know we couldn't get in access to it was difficult and then

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_13]: Trying to maneuver a helicopter and they couldn't see street addresses in some of the cases or they were still power lines up

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_13]: And so we're kind of pinballing okay here

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_13]: They address this where people call for help which ones can you guys get to from the air

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_13]: Which ones can't you get to and they'd go yeah, we can't get there. There's power lines around it

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_13]: Can you guys boat it and get to those?

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_13]: And then for the

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Our guys in the kayaks

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_13]: They were literally paddling over to houses and spotlighting them so that National Guard could quickly identify

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Which houses where it should come down and pull people out wow so that's a is that like an all night thing that you're out there for

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: 12 14 hours doing that or is it just getting out to one or two houses?

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_13]: We weren't out there that long but we went out probably around the little after dinner time and then I was back it

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_13]: Probably one

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_13]: Two in the morning something like that

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_13]: I

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_13]: Do remember one of our team mates and it was it was a cool moment of perspective because it was it was so freaking cold

[01:36:10] [SPEAKER_13]: It was December and we're sitting in the back of this military like do so and a half

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Truck with a wrap and a pile of boats and

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_13]: And then as soon as it starts driving all of a sort of well this is incredibly cold out

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_13]: So I know and drives or another windows down the December and then here

[01:36:30] [SPEAKER_13]: And she had

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Left her house to get to where we were all meeting

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_13]: And basically half swam half weighted

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_13]: From her house through a graveyard through a cemetery to get to the road to meet up with us

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_13]: Her house was surrounded by water and now she's in the back of this

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Truck with wind just blasting at us freezing

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_13]: And she looks over and goes

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_13]: It is a beautiful night up. Have you guys seen the stars yet? It's okay

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I remember to speed blown away. I was like if this doesn't get you down

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_13]: Like you have the best perspective in life like you swim through a cemetery in December

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_13]: To then drive around in the back for freezing cold truck and the first thought you have is how great the stars

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_13]: That's super cool. Yeah, focus. Yeah, it was such an inspiring like all right

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_13]: I gotta keep that as my standard. I'm not there. I need to start looking at things there for like because it was those such a cool

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Commence that is that is good and it is like those winter nights are can be gorgeous now with the winter coming in the cool weather

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Come and do you have any sort of pearls of wisdom for the listeners around

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Safety in the mountain and stay warm

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean the the two biggest ones are

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_13]: always always over back

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_13]: You know my

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_13]: I tend to be

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_13]: a little slap dash with my planning and because of that I

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_13]: over

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_13]: I can say over prepare over pack when I if I'm going out for

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_13]: You know a day hike or a day climb. I'll have enough stuff in my pack that if I had to

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_13]: I could stay out there overnight not comfortable, but I could manage

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_13]: And that just allows me the relief of if someone goes like oh, you know

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_13]: What if this happened my god, so I had plenty of food. I've got enough layers. I have a rain jacket

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_13]: I've spare socks like but we're just

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_13]: It's only two mile hike again. I know but now something goes sideways. I'm good. I don't need to worry about it

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_13]: So over packing you know playing to stay out there a night longer than

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_13]: You're hoping to and

[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_13]: One that I always you know I think will struggle with my whole life is

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_13]: Always start your hike uncomfortable and then go with all

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_13]: Experience especially in the cold no one wants that you get out of your truck and it's

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_13]: Blowing wind and snow sitting in the face no one wants to start cold

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_13]: But it's such a no pun intended slippery slope when you start hiking you start sweating

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_13]: And then all of a sudden you all right

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_13]: I got to drop some layers and now what you go down to is a bunch of wet layers

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_13]: And it's all you have so your base layers are going to be so the rest of your hike and then you're dumping

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_13]: calories your dump and temperature way faster

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_13]: And that's I every time I go out like now be good in this and I don't I

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Always over there. Yeah, you know what I always do you're so right about that is like because when you do start off warm

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_04]: What you end up doing is you you create an arbitrary number in your head like for me

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like well okay, I'm starting off warm and I'll just hike a mile and then I'll stop and take my and then I get to that mile and you're right

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like already sweating and I should have stopped it

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Half of them and it's just better off just being a little bit cold in the beginning and then you'll be fine

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So I do I've gotten better at that but you're right. That is a common

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Issue that people do and they don't they never ever stop at the right time

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_04]: They they overheat sweat and then take to layer off

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and then you know become sorry at any time

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_13]: You want to stop and have something to eat you now shed the layer that's blocking the wind you've shed your insulatory layers

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_13]: In your stationary

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_13]: In something that's already wet and now you're just aggressively dumping degrees and and

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Chew into your calories way faster than you do. I always say to hot liquid

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It weighs a little bit to bring the thermos, but for me having that hot lip liquid in case somebody

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Really get go self in it

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I learned that lesson by somebody going hyper thermic on us on an overnight

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that it's worth it to carry that extra thermos with the hot liquid so that you have it right away

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Or at least have some way to heat liquid up

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and you know I

[01:41:00] [SPEAKER_13]: Furnown that likes a lot. This isn't new information, but you know for

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_13]: It's funny because we always think of like hiking and outdoor pursuits is like

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_13]: They're health benefits were being active or getting in shape

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_13]: And then when we think of healthy food a lot of times food that we consider healthy is

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_13]: Not particularly beneficial to us in those pursuits, you know

[01:41:25] [SPEAKER_13]: If you're someone the likes hot tea having hot tea with you on a hike's a great idea

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_13]: I wouldn't normally suggest just dump being honey into it

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_13]: But on a winter hike yeah having a source of just high concentrated

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_13]: Shoulder in calories is gonna be way better for you. It's gonna give you a lot more fuel and

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_13]: You know that's sort of the secret underbelly of

[01:41:49] [SPEAKER_13]: Why we all decide to become more active so we can rationalize in and more jobs exactly. We'll stop

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He's he's in your camp with the heavy pack

[01:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Good boy good boy

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially this time

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So not the time pack light yeah, so stop any other questions you got for Chris here

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was curious what your take is on the current state of the 10 essentials if you've seen any

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Trends if you think the the list is

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: On point or if there are any other

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Considerations people should think about in their pack

[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_13]: no, I mean, I think

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_13]: I think people run into a bigger

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_13]: problem

[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_13]: not with necessarily

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_13]: itemizing what they have but

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_13]: knowing how to strategically pack what they need

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_13]: and so the

[01:42:44] [SPEAKER_13]: You know a great example like if you are at one need to have like food water

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_13]: Warm things like that

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_13]: That's great. That's all true. You need those things but are you packing food? Do you actually want or are you going to

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_13]: Eat it is this stuff you're excited to have if not you've got food. You're still gonna line up crashing

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_13]: You're just not eating it if all you brought was like

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I do this all the time around

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_13]: I'll just fill out my water on you know my water filter and throw it in my pack and then when it actually comes to being on the trail

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm like you know what plan water is the worst thing I want right now

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_13]: And I'd added like a tea bag and some some honey. I'd be super excited to chuck that down

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_13]: So I think people just being more strategic you know

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_13]: We don't need going into a more

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_13]: Austria you tell a tearing environment

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_13]: You know you're doing it for a reason because it excites you so bring stuff with you

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_13]: They're gonna be excited to have you know excited each other to drink happy to wear

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_13]: Like the more comfortable and the more happy you are with what you've got and the better you know how to use it

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Better it's gonna work for you. What about splints and things like that on the first aid side

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_13]: So

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_13]: You know and I this may be

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_13]: I might get tarting feathered for saying this

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_13]: In my mind splints are

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_13]: Something that are beneficial to have when you're in a group or at least with a pair, you know

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_13]: If I'm going out by myself or if you tend to do a lot of solo hiking having something to splint yourself with

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_13]: Mayer may not do a whole lot because you may or may not be able to you know

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_13]: I may not be able to reach my ankle while I'm out without moving around

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_13]: To split my ankle

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_13]: um

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_13]: but

[01:44:42] [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I think we tend to go over a kill a lot of times on like first aid kits and and supplies without one being familiar with what they are when to use them and

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_13]: I think a lot of times we are a little too sparing on

[01:45:00] Communication

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_13]: You know if I

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Break you know break my ankle or dislocate my knee

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_13]: If I

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_13]: You know if I was splint with me, I'm still not getting out. I can't walk on it. I still need people to come get me

[01:45:14] [SPEAKER_13]: But do I have a way to get people to me that I come up with a contingency plan

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_13]: And

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_13]: A friend of mine just recently was doing a

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_13]: day-long presidential verse and

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_13]: Before they had it out

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_13]: They said what's a good window of time?

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_13]: I should

[01:45:33] [SPEAKER_13]: Worried about calling someone and she says well, you know

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_13]: We'll probably be done by three or four

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_13]: So five thirty

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_13]: You know by five thirty

[01:45:43] [SPEAKER_13]: That's a

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_13]: Reasonable time to assume that maybe something's gone wrong. Yeah. Yeah, I think having stuff like that built in

[01:45:50] [SPEAKER_13]: Provides them or practical benefit then going on and I've got to splint if something goes wrong. That's fine, but

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_13]: That's gonna keep you comfortable. It's not gonna get used safer. Okay

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool, have you seen any of the these hemostatic

[01:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Interventions on trail or you know that what is a trauma gel that stops bleeding?

[01:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the latest and greatest so you guys using that in your paramedic angle

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_13]: So we have it's funny. We have it on you know on the ambulances when I was out with the wildland crews

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_13]: We have that in our packs

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_13]: They're sort of a limited you could use it for anything but it's it's sort of you know when

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_13]: When you're a hammer you see everything is a nail

[01:46:39] [SPEAKER_13]: It's not the best tool for everything

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_13]: In one of the

[01:46:47] [SPEAKER_13]: Where it's really good is anything that you can't easily apply pressure to or anything that you can't get a turn to get okay

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_13]: And so some of the key ones would be if someone was say ice climbing or mountaineering and they fall and

[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_13]: Get an injury in their garage

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_13]: There aren't wet or something exactly

[01:47:08] [SPEAKER_13]: You know what we call junctional trauma is

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_13]: Then it's perfect. Okay, can you get a turn to get in there? It's not easy to keep pressure in there

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Let me shove some of this combat gauze in there and it doesn't really affective job of stopping the bleed

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_13]: A lot of times though it can leave a residue that needs to get cleaned out before the wound gets fully closed up in a hospital

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_13]: So just can complicate things whereas you could go okay, well, I'm gonna slap a

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_13]: You know addressing over this and we're gonna take out my ace bandage and tightly wrap it around and that if it's on someone's leg

[01:47:41] [SPEAKER_13]: Can be just as effective

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_13]: And

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_13]: You're not you know there's the miserable reality that combat gauze

[01:47:50] [SPEAKER_13]: I

[01:47:50] [SPEAKER_13]: Almost hate using the word gauze because it's not gauze. We said on top of a wound combat dressings get shoved into a wound

[01:48:00] [SPEAKER_13]: And it won't work otherwise if you have like a last duration of your arm and you said it on top

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_13]: It doesn't really

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_13]: Give you any benefit

[01:48:07] [SPEAKER_13]: You literally need to like open it up and pack it in which is miserable and would make most people a little

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and my last question is were you born with that handlebar mustache or is that something that you developed over time?

[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Come on

[01:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine it. I don't know. Sorry

[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you're both both of you have better facial here game than I do so

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_13]: Well, let's say both of us have more facial here than you do

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good to see you brother. It's good to see a couple weeks back Jim glad you're doing well and you're in your new place right now

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Aren't you is this your new home that you're yeah? Okay great looks beautiful. Yeah, I

[01:48:59] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm thrilled I

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Never thought I would settle down enough to actually buy a house that idea terrified me

[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_13]: And now I'm having the opposite problem where I go. I should get out and go for a ride or go for a climb and

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_13]: Too much to do now. Oh, right? Yeah, I could read that

[01:49:23] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh boy, and I've had weeds like real as stuff spent three days straight just

[01:49:28] [SPEAKER_13]: Putter in around the house with different errands like okay. I have got to leave here. I'm turning into a hermit

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_13]: No

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_04]: We two build those boxes that you like have to build over your plants to protect them over the winter from snow

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That's when you know like you like cross the you cross the line. We like I got to go climb and that's it

[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking about that this one has like oh, I get to build the boxes to protect the plants and I was like no, not doing that

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_05]: If they die they die

[01:49:58] [SPEAKER_13]: I mean it is kind of funny when you think about it. There's a little bit of audacity

[01:50:02] [SPEAKER_13]: We assume it's like you know what plants need in the way England is us to build shelters and also

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_05]: But we do it, you know we're like oh we protected our plant, but you know

[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know it's a whole morenorship is an adventure so if congratulations

[01:50:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's also like you said like you can get sucked into it and like my advice is

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_04]: What I tell people and it's it's not cheap, but if you can find yourself a good handyman or handyman

[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That is like gold, you know keep them busy and let them do all the work for you

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_13]: I had my my better half loves doing home repair and renovation and when she first saw the ashes

[01:50:47] [SPEAKER_13]: Oh my god, you know what you could do here. It's like nothing move it

[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Just nothing she's you don't want to do anything here. I was like want to and need to or too many

[01:50:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, once you start seeing the you know an hour or two in front of HCTV that's the red flag

[01:51:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the time for you to like get out of the house because something's good luck

[01:51:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But Chris this has been great we appreciate you coming back stop anything else you want to cover before we wrap up and let him go to bed

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know what one thing have you guys changed your protocols in terms of these big rains

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Toants that keep on coming in like we're looking at an inch and a half coming on tonight and to tomorrow

[01:51:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a different

[01:51:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Preparedness as he's rolling now or no no

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_13]: Not protocol per se, but one thing that's been great over the years

[01:51:36] [SPEAKER_13]: At least in in the state in New Hampshire the

[01:51:39] [SPEAKER_13]: The state has embraced

[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_13]: There's a company called rescue three international that's done really made a name for themselves globally in both

[01:51:48] [SPEAKER_13]: rope and water rescue training in the state in New Hampshire

[01:51:54] [SPEAKER_13]: Sort of adopted their training as the official training for the state

[01:51:58] [SPEAKER_13]: Which is now made it much more accessible with state funding for a lot of departments to get trained in

[01:52:04] [SPEAKER_13]: Really high end levels of water rescue

[01:52:08] [SPEAKER_13]: In the white mountains particularly a number of the departments

[01:52:13] [SPEAKER_13]: Over the years have gotten

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_13]: Better and better and more progressive and more proactive about collaborating. Oh, hey we're getting a big rainstorm

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_13]: Let's have whoever you guys have and whoever you have and whoever you have

[01:52:27] [SPEAKER_13]: We're all gonna stage it this one station or let's have people come into the separate stations and just gear up and be on standby

[01:52:35] [SPEAKER_13]: They'll upstatt

[01:52:37] [SPEAKER_13]: It's been really cool seeing that capacity

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_13]: Gross and you know my time here. That's great

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, so instead of protocols have changed but the strategy and preparedness have definitely

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Improved

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_13]: tremendous layover the years

[01:52:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we will we'll link to the solo school those if people want to sign up for classes

[01:53:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You know no guarantee they're gonna get you as the instructor, but maybe they'll get lucky

[01:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe

[01:53:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's great. Thank you. Anything else you want to plug?

[01:53:12] [SPEAKER_13]: No, I you know I appreciate you guys having me having me back on it's always fun chatting with both of you and

[01:53:20] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's exciting seeing that there is

[01:53:24] [SPEAKER_13]: You know in a peel to talk about not only

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_13]: Getting out there but the the education that that goes into it

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you know one one thing that I've thought about and stop when I were talking about this is

[01:53:39] [SPEAKER_13]: I think the search a rescue world and the outdoor world is

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_13]: It's it can be a tricky one for folks is you know a lot of us whether it's

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_13]: Skin or hiking or mountaineering or climbing paddling anything

[01:53:53] [SPEAKER_13]: It's you know we almost start to look at it as a bad habit like

[01:53:56] [SPEAKER_13]: That don't need another bow at our fashion do this time

[01:54:01] [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I do this but it's just sort of a hobby of mine and

[01:54:05] [SPEAKER_13]: I love looking at the

[01:54:08] [SPEAKER_13]: As a sort of microcosm taking the search a rescue community and

[01:54:13] [SPEAKER_13]: When you have people would have just these crazy array of backgrounds and

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_13]: You know if on a rescue if you pulled every person said hey, what do you do? Do you or you do work with

[01:54:25] [SPEAKER_13]: You know rope rescue and mountaineering or you a guy? No, no, I mean, I work for the phone company

[01:54:32] [SPEAKER_13]: No, you know, a fiscal therapist or I you know, I do a mature

[01:54:37] [SPEAKER_13]: Like but you're out here in the mountains it midnight

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_13]: carrying someone out of this you know horrible situation

[01:54:46] [SPEAKER_13]: What are your like what qualifications guy you're like oh all the stuff that I thought of as you know a vice and my waste of time

[01:54:53] [SPEAKER_13]: All that hiking

[01:54:54] [SPEAKER_13]: Like that's what got me good at this and know this trail like the back of my hand and knew what going into this would entail

[01:55:02] [SPEAKER_13]: I could pack my bag for a day like this blindfolded

[01:55:07] [SPEAKER_13]: And it's really cool to see this culmination of

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_13]: Skills that I think a lot of us right off is well, I just do it for fun

[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but that that silly thing that we do for fun is what makes

[01:55:19] [SPEAKER_13]: People from every walk of life are really valuable asset when someone said they're

[01:55:24] [SPEAKER_13]: First imaginable day in the mountains

[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_13]: Sort of a spin off of the old is it in Alfonso, Terre and a French mountain near that said

[01:55:35] [SPEAKER_13]: Mountain nearing was just or mountaineers were just the kind of keys to the doors of the useless

[01:55:40] [SPEAKER_13]: Get to the top of a cliff in which nothing there you just go back down

[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_13]: And you know when you look it especially a lot of trails in the whites, you know

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_13]: What do you do? Yeah, I got to the top of it and then you just go back the way you came

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_13]: And you could make a strong argument that it's a totally fruitless endeavor

[01:56:03] [SPEAKER_13]: But it's following that passion they give us people the experience to be an asset when someone

[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_13]: Needs help out there and it I love

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_13]: I love seeing folks like oh yeah, I don't know I've just always done this for fun and like

[01:56:17] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, now you're the reason that someone else who's just trying to do it for fun gets out safe laying out to go have fun here

[01:56:23] [SPEAKER_13]: You got

[01:56:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Guys words for sure so

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like a podcast waiting to happen. Yeah, it's great

[01:56:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I wish I live more local I could help out but I'll just I'll just keep talking on the on the podcast and let you guys

[01:56:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Get out there in the middle of the night

[01:56:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Boy awesome all right well thank you so much Chris

[01:56:46] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, absolutely thank you guys good things again. It's you too

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_04]: All right stop fun time Chris is always a blast to hang out with yeah, can you believe it's been since episode 21?

[01:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a long time ago

[01:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You said yeah, he's in the freshman class of slasher

[01:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Ho-ji slash or gas. Yeah, wow he's he's the best though. Thanks for coming on Chris

[01:57:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep, hearts. Um, let's do a

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[01:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to say that it was funny doing my prospect we get back to my truck and dumb

[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: This is not just hopping into the passenger seat. I look at her her

[01:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Shirt it's soaked it's like also ready. It was like come on. Let's do a vocalous gear add and see I can talk her into it

[01:58:49] [SPEAKER_02]: She did four and a half way. Yeah, I was gonna try to do it but she said nope

[01:58:55] [SPEAKER_05]: She's gotta get he's gotta start using it. That's right

[01:59:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So

[01:59:37] [SPEAKER_04]: All right stop, so

[01:59:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get to the recent search and rescue news. So we have three

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Incidents that have happened in the last week. So this first one is I

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I pet yeah

[02:00:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So Saturday September 21st

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Rescuers from both New Hampshire and Maine collaborate and began a prolonged effort to help a hiker who's sustained a significant injury

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: near the summit of mom Madison. So 230

[02:00:12] [SPEAKER_04]: 48-year-old hiker from a rural Carl Colourado. I think he was hiking the ease and appleation trail through hiker

[02:00:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Tripped and filmed that well negotiating a rocky incline on the osgood trail at the intersection with the Hacker Ridge trail

[02:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So the hiker's sustained a significant lower leg injury that left him unable to walk

[02:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Fong the injury the hiker deployed a personal locator beacon to signal for help

[02:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He then crawled around the rocks until he's able to find his cell phone and made a second attempt like oh

[02:00:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That is

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean the thing it happened like on a

[02:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Saturday afternoon you can

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_04]: People would be around at least. Oh yeah

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Conservation officers from fishing game receive word of the incident around 2 45 p.m. So this is Saturday at 2 45 p.m

[02:00:58] [SPEAKER_14]: I think I can't get an beacon

[02:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank God right yeah, I don't know what the I was just on that trail but I can't remember what the cell connection is

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's great you may get something from Berlin or Gorham, but

[02:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's still it's a big question mark

[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so they got the call the conservation officers call volunteer search and rescue teams in the hamster

[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and main in search of enough manpower to complete the mission so the teams included and Dr. Skoggen Valley

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Searching rescue stone hearth open learning so this is the this is the solo team

[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Appalachian mountain club

[02:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Lakes region searching rescue and mahusic search and rescue in all approximately 30 volunteers and six conservation officers responded to the call with the first personnel

[02:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Entering the woods at 5 p.m. So 2 45 there there alert

[02:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Late night first hikers are getting there five o'clock due to the miles of uphill hiking

[02:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Recard from most the volunteers this is that we'll go get a go up the odds good trail or the down

[02:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Webster trail. That's their options right that's right terrible options sure. Yep

[02:02:05] [SPEAKER_04]: No good choice terrible because you got to go in the great golf and then you got

[02:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Two and a half miles to odds get 10 site and then another two miles to get up there or mile and a half anyway and that's like

[02:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: You go from like 20 200 feet at the odds get 10 site up to

[02:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably what 48 hundred feet at that trail junction a hawker ridge

[02:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Brutal yeah, so they get there at nine a good enough hikers enough rescue was by nine o'clock

[02:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: to get this hiker in a litter and

[02:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[02:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Eventually they did an all night carry by the assembled rescue team

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: After tremendous effort the rescue team reached the great golf trail. So they must have gone down all those good

[02:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And then out the great golf they got out at 5 20 a.m in the morning so

[02:03:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Five o'clock start and then they're all different 12 hours the carrying him for eight of those hours

[02:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's no talk of

[02:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: ATVs there I don't think they can get ATVs across that bridge can they

[02:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't really know probably not that's a good point because across that bridge it's like flat highway

[02:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It's narrow. Yeah, it's like

[02:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: What is it probably matter fact I got a picture of it right here cuz I just

[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I just when I can over there so I'll take a look at it

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think there's maybe about five or six boards tops

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that bridge

[02:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because that would be handy cuz that the first two miles of great golf or so flatten

[02:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Really manageable

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, who I see

[02:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah four boards on there so to now

[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway the hiker was found to be an experience in prepared hiker who had ultimately had an unfortunate accident

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He'd been hiking the AT for 10 days prior having started in hand over

[02:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So the incident highlights the importance of preparedness and how desperately it is needed when the mountains force time stops

[02:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that last line the neck rate right right great

[02:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Mountains do not care absolutely

[02:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So what are the takeaways there so he had communication he had a PLB

[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I just renewed mine by the way. I think I'm on like six years battery battery life and it's still working great

[02:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I should replace it having all that stuff is definitely critical and then um

[02:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know I mean, I'm not sure what you have for shelter

[02:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a long wait

[02:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Good yeah, it sounds like he was well prepared and that he could the big thing is is if it's cold weather

[02:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You got to get off the ground you got to have some insulation. Yeah because if you start hitting the ground

[02:04:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You're gonna be a cold quick very quick

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, but this next one here stop was in Mount Perseble

[02:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Perseble this is not the one we think it is it's not Morgan and Perseble

[02:05:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not it's not and I didn't know this yeah, I didn't know it either

[02:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you been in the height this with life? I don't know where it is. I'm not really sure

[02:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just holding this in the hamster in the

[02:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: In the press release

[02:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Does that then it says camping in the headline okay that might be an error?

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I think it's I think it's I think it's the Perseble

[02:05:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So injured hiker on the Mount Perseble trail and camping

[02:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know 30 years ago

[02:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm from Derry

[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: She was hiking with family members was she slipped an injured or ankle

[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: She was unable to walk due to her injury and her brother called 911 for assistance so

[02:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: She's about a mile and a half from the trail head

[02:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Rescus arrived at her location around 115

[02:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: She was assessed and stabilized and then

[02:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Carried in a litter she got back to the parking lot four o'clock and was driven to the Spear Memorial Hospital of the

[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Plymouth okay for further evaluation I'm gonna pull up my caltopo here and see what's going on, but go ahead

[02:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: She did she had a hike safe card

[02:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent so good for her and she was well prepared

[02:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: All right good. Let's see my israel

[02:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Weedemows squam my Webster here we go. Let me take a look here

[02:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's that cask trail then there's mong Morgan and

[02:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Perseble seems to be more on the

[02:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The Sandwich side it's much further north so I really don't know what they're talking about here

[02:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's it's it's it's it's

[02:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It can't be camped in I that's that doesn't make any sense

[02:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that's what it says on my guy here

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Really, huh yes surprising

[02:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you don't know geography stop apparently not Perseble trail dumps down on to

[02:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, whatever if you can actually Crawford Ridgefall and then goes over to Mount Morgan

[02:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right yeah, I got that but I'm shocked that that's camped in

[02:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You're a local how do you not know that I'm definitely not a local

[02:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm working on it

[02:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well what a little alley

[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_04]: September 22nd

[02:07:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Fishing game was notified of an injured hiker on a mountain to come. So I saw something I saw some somebody posten about this so yeah

[02:07:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Providence or dial and 66 year old was hiking with a friend when he suffered a series injured it was lower leg

[02:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: The hiker attempted to continue descending but was unable to make any progress even with assistance

[02:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Luckily that section of trail was close to the ski slopes of water valley and was approximately 1.2 miles from the trailhead of the ski

[02:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: ski area, right so this allowed for first responders from water though valley and

[02:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Conservation officers from fishing game to travel by truck and altering vehicle to a section of the ski slope

[02:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: adjacent to the hiking trail so

[02:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Manics with the water availability department of public safety reached the hiker around 230 after hiking 2 tenths of a mile from the point where they could safely

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: travel with a UTV

[02:08:22] [SPEAKER_04]: They gave him first aid and secured him in a litter for a short but steep carryout pack to the UTV

[02:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Additional help with the carryout came from seven good Samaritan hikers and combined with the first responders from water

[02:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Valley and fishing game enabled a safe litter carry back to the UTV and he made it back around 345

[02:08:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So that was a pretty quick one about two and a half hours

[02:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: The good Samaritan hikers all continued on their respective hikes highlighting an excellent attribute of hikers in the hamster

[02:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Their selfless desire to help in the willingness to give back to the community when needed stop wow

[02:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: These reports again so poetic love it they are

[02:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[02:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so nice

[02:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and butterflies in my belly

[02:09:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was the nice kudos to the rescues, but that'll do it stop. That'll do it. It's episode 169 can you believe it?

[02:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Crazy yeah, we're cruising

[02:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a few more episodes before the end of the year and uh, yeah, we'll see

[02:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We're almost done with the what third or fourth year the pot

[02:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I reserve just so you know I reserve the last show for just a mean you

[02:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Review type of show no guest

[02:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: The last show ever the last show with a year

[02:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Last show the year

[02:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Got that

[02:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was gonna say I'm all surprised keep going. We'll keep going. I'm not going then nobody will worry

[02:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't we have kind of keep going don't worry about it. Yeah

[02:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: All right till next time

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[02:10:34] [SPEAKER_12]: And crush some mega

[02:10:38] [SPEAKER_12]: Heets

[02:10:38] [SPEAKER_12]: No covered in scratches, blisters and bug bites

[02:10:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Chris staff wanted to complete his most challenging day height ever

[02:10:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Fishing Game Officer save a hiker from Florida

[02:10:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Activated and emergency vegan yesterday morning

[02:10:52] [SPEAKER_07]: He was hiking along the Appalachian trail when the weather started to get worse official say the snow was piled up

[02:10:58] [SPEAKER_07]: The three feet some spots and there was a windshield of minus one degree

[02:11:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And he was pretty low to the sky and it's race

[02:11:10] [SPEAKER_09]: James Neal and Hamster Fish and he was at the thanks for being with us today

[02:11:15] [SPEAKER_09]: What are some of the most common mistakes you see people make when they're heading out on the trails to hike your in the

[02:11:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Seems to me the most common is being unprepared

[02:11:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I think if they just simply visited

[02:11:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Hikesafe.com and you got at least a Lieutenant Central items and had those in their packs

[02:11:29] [SPEAKER_08]: They probably would have no need to ever call us at all