Episode 170 - NC/TN Hurricane Helene, Hurricane Irene History in NH, Vaucluse Gear, Winter Hiking Gear

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Here is the latest higher summits forecast brought to you by our friends at the Mount Washington

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[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Weather above treeline in the White Mountains is often wildly different than at our trailheads.

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[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_11]: And here's your forecast for the weekend of October 5th.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Friday, in the clear under partly cloudy skies, trending towards in and out of the clouds

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_11]: under mostly cloudy skies with a high around 50.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Winds will be southwest shifting west at 15-30 mph.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Friday night, mostly in the clouds under mostly cloudy skies with a slight chance

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_11]: of rain showers in the evening, becoming likely after midnight with a low in the upper 30s.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Winds will be west shifting northwest at 15-30 mph then increasing to 30-45 with gusts of

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_11]: the 55 when chill will be falling to 20-30 above.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Saturday mostly in the clouds with rain showers early tapering to isolated rain showers

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_11]: and drizzling in the afternoon, rising high around 40 and then decreasing to mid-30s

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_11]: by a sunset.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Winds will be northwest shifting north at 35-50 mph to 60 mph and the wind chill will be 20-30

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_11]: above falling to 15-20 above.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_11]: And then Saturday night more of the same in and out of the clouds trending towards clearing

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_11]: with a wind chill of 15-25 above.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_11]: So let's get cooler, a little slick up there this weekend so be safe and have fun!

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_10]: Casting from the Woodpecker Studio in the great state of New Hampshire, welcome to the

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Sounds Like a Search and Rescue podcast where we discuss all things related to hiking and

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_10]: search and rescue in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_10]: Here are your hosts, Mike and Stump.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I just hit record.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Did you hit record?

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I hit record.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Make it so.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So episode 170 Stump, thanks for being you.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Ah, why would I do now?

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just thanking you for being you.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, thanks for you being you too.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, yeah.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't be anybody else but you Stump.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't worry, I don't intend to change anything.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, well that's unfortunate, but we'll roll with it.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh!

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Normally I would crack my beer open and you'd hear that little click sound, but

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm drinking a fancy schmancy beer tonight so I have no crack.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I had to use a bottle opener to take the cover off of it, but I'll do the big reveal later.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, looks like an awfully big bottle there.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like 40 ounce.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow!

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's not a 40 ounce but it looks like one.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No, did you ever drink those back in the day?

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the 40 ounce?

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Ah!

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Milo lights or whatever.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, what was that Australian one that they used to have in the big cans?

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, the oil can.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, the oil can.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Foster's!

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Foster's, yeah.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_04]: All the rage.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: When I was tight on money in college, like sometimes you'd

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_05]: desperate times go off a desperate measure to go by the

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_05]: the Foster's or the 40 ounce but those days are long gone.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It's funny.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, stop.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So welcome to episode 170 of the Sounds Like a Search and Rescue podcast.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: This week we are joined by a breeze from Val Cluce Gier is going to be here.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's going to share some product updates to hopefully stir up some ideas for holiday shoppers.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus we've got disaster strikes Western North Carolina and Tennessee.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll have updates on the status of the southern sections of the Appalachian Trail

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and we will try to break down what happened to cause such significant damage.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: That area is similar to the Whites but also there's some different characteristics

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: which I think I'll try to break down and explain what, you know, what the

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: underlying causes of the damage are.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So and then this prompted us to take a look back at Hurricane Irene that struck

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: the White Mountains in August of 2011.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll go through a little bit of that history.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_04]: That was before me and Stomp really got into hiking but we'll do our best to try to

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: summarize that.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus we've got updates on RescueMe5K.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_04]: We've got a story about when Wolves attack.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Stomp found a piece of gear that he wants to review and then we're going to do a deep dive

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: on winter hiking gear and advice.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus a hiker vanishes in Yellowstone and then we've got some recent search

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and rescue news in New Hampshire.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So we've got a rescue that happened on Edmunds path, got an injured hiker in Tamworth,

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: something on Mount Mananak and then WAP, WAP-Hack, WAP-Hack, WAP-Hack, Wildlife Refugee.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll break it all down.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_11]: So I'm Mike and I'm Stomp.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Let's get started.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_13]: Let's get started and hacking up the pronunciation Stomp.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_13]: Let's roll.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Off to a good start.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So my first note here on our little script is sorry for the delayed release.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Mrs. Stomp is on vacation so we had some hiking plans.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So what does this mean?

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It hasn't been a delayed release.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_11]: True.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, this is probably going to come out Friday, late Friday, depending on what the

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_11]: plans are.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_11]: We're planning on doing a little backpacking so I probably won't get the editing done

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_11]: until later Friday.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, okay.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, so she's on vacation.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't realize that.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, she's got the next two weeks off and we're trying to maximize our time

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_11]: together here.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_11]: So sorry everybody.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Forgive me.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, all right.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're recording Wednesday night this week, which is a little bit different.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Although we did record Wednesday last week too because I was traveling.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But we released the last week's episode a night early.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So we've built up some goodwill.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think so.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_11]: That was a popular episode too by the way.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: That was cool.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I think everybody seemed to like it, which is great.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, Stomp, you pulled an article.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: What is this?

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: This is, I don't even know what this is.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: You pulled this for me, it looks like.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, apparently the House of Representatives passed a bill last week that, or a couple

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_11]: weeks ago that parents of hazing victims hope will discourage the practice.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_11]: And I brought this up because I know you have history with frat fraternity life.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Is that true?

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Matter of fact, at one point I actually, I have the scripts written up or some of them

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: written up.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I was actually considering doing a podcast totally unrelated to hiking, but just summarizing

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of like the whole experience of like pledging a fraternity and being in a fraternity in

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: the early 90s.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, I think I shared that with you.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's probably what rang a bell with you.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think so.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_11]: But with this, basically let's see, Steve Gruvern, his wife had been aware of the disciplinary

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_11]: actions and hazing infractions against this particular frat, Phi Delta Theta.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Their son would not have been pledged there.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_11]: But anyway, this apparently, this was a hazing related death way back.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_11]: So this is at Louisiana State LSU?

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_11]: So, I don't know.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Did you run into this craziness in your fraternity?

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean my background, so I pledged a fraternity that is no longer in existence.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And the reason it is no longer in existence is exactly because of this is that there was

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: hazing incidents that had gotten bubbled up to the authorities after.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: This all happened after I graduated, but yeah, there was incidents with hazing.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Police got involved.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that the president and the pledge master, the fraternity at the time, and again,

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: this is after I graduated, both were charged and convicted of hazing.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And they actually ended up going to jail for, I think like a week or 10 days or something

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: like that.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, this couple actually, they're making some gains here in Louisiana.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_11]: They've changed hazing to a felony, actually.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm just curious if it's still the culture in these fret houses, you know, with the binge

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_11]: drinking and everything else.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Probably.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: For people that don't wear so Greek life, you know, and again, this is a hiking podcast,

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: but we go off the rails a little bit sometimes.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I think when I pledged it was certainly like, it was an initiation process.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And you did these different hazing activities, like, you know, they'll drop you off 20 miles

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_04]: away from your home and other things that I don't maybe I'll do the podcast someday

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'll get into the details.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think we have these incidents really have, have gotten to the point where people

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: have gotten injured died is when binge drinking is involved.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So one thing I'll say about my fraternity is that we had a very strict rule even

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_04]: in the early nineties that pledges were never allowed to drink.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So you had a draw.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: We were a dry program and that I think, you know, the brothers would all be drinking

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was difficult to be around them when they were drinking at night and things like

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: that.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But we had very strict rules where pledges do not drink.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it was exactly because there was always a fear that something like this

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_04]: would happen.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm torn on this.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think I think at that point in my life, I certainly living away from home by

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: myself and trying to find my way as a young man.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that I, I in particular needed that level of discipline.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So I do think that like that, that period of my life where that discipline was

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: instilled do hazing.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it wasn't funny when you went through it and I don't, I don't

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: support it now.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that there's better ways to achieve the same goals.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think for me personally, it was a net positive.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, I was able to surround myself with a community of people and

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: overall I look back at everything with a pretty positive experience even with

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: the hazing piece involved.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So that may not be a popular view, but I do think that for me, I needed that

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: level of discipline and I needed that community.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what pulled me through college.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I certainly no genius stomp.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But nowadays, I mean both my, both my older daughters are in

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_04]: sororities.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: My experience with that, I kind of warned them to look out for that.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And my experience with both of them is that, you know, neither one of them

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_04]: experienced any level of hazing.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just sort of an initiation and a, and a rush process, a lot of drama,

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: but not nothing that crosses the line.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_11]: It's funny.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_11]: I had a friend that went to WPI, Westapolytec, and he was part of

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_11]: a frat there and became such an alcoholic that he dropped out of

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_11]: school.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_11]: He was, yeah, he was just totally went off the rails.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_11]: I haven't seen that kid in ages, but I felt really bad.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_11]: I think, I think he's since gotten his act together, but wow.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It is a dangerous time when you're in college because there is that,

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: um, you know, there's just a lot of free time opportunity for binge

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: drinking.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And I certainly did some of that when I was in college as well.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, some of my fraternity brothers didn't, didn't fear

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: well, but most of them are, you know, good careers, good family,

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: successful lives.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So, um, yeah.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I do have some stories though.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_11]: I did it.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, yeah, I can't wait to hear them.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_11]: I did it by commuting.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I avoided all the nonsense.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You avoided all that.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I got some, there's some, there's been some craziness.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean one of the two of my fraternity brothers, one of the

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_04]: fraternity brothers actually, um, you know, murdered the mother

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: of one of my other fraternity brothers.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a murder and mauled in that, that involved two of my

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: fraternity brothers.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yikes.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, pretty, pretty sad story.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, the alcoholism and drugs were involved in that too.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So, um, but someday, you know, that's a teaser for the listeners.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Someday maybe I'll do that other podcast.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Let's see.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, let's go.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_11]: You've got somebody that can edit it for you.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It'll be through this slasher LLC for sure.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So, uh, but, but this is a hiking podcast on.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So let's get into the Columbus Day planning here.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So we've got some foliage and some hike safe tips.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: What do you got?

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, the leaves have started to fall.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_11]: I noticed that big time this weekend.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_11]: First of all, it popped.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_11]: The reds are out now and it actually looks really beautiful,

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_11]: but you know, on trail doing some bushwhacking this weekend,

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_11]: the leaves are on the ground.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_11]: So if you're out there hiking, watch out for those slippery

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_11]: roots underneath and what granite they may be hiding lurking

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_11]: unaware below there.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Um, you know, like we always say pack for yourself,

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_11]: pack for potentially others that you may meet on trail

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_11]: and definitely start packing the headlamps because it's getting

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_11]: dark, uh, a lot earlier.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_11]: And make sure you have that warm clothing.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, we haven't really seen the rhyme ice yet.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_11]: So I don't think it's, uh, you know,

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_11]: some micro spike territory yet, but it's coming in quick.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Um, do you feel like it's like peak foliage at this point

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_11]: or are we not a week away?

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_11]: I would say it's going to be right on target for

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Columbus Day weekend.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_11]: It's probably 70% right now from the notch up.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Probably, uh, artists.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_11]: What's that place?

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, Indian head.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Artist bluff.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Artist bluff in Indian head.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_11]: They're probably at about 65, 70%.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_11]: No.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Come down Lost River today.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_11]: I got to see the expanse from whaleback to,

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_11]: to come and views East and it looks like it's really coming in nice.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_14]: It's popping.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That's good to know.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and for listeners, I think again, the advice,

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: we did a deep dive a couple of episodes ago,

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: but essentially like with foliage, you want to be down in the foliage.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So you want to be in the lower elevation.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So like Mount Pemigo asset, middle sugar, sugar loaf, um, you know,

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the small pine mountain, those, those lower levels you want to be like sort of

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: immersed in it or you want to be sort of halfway up or looking into a notch

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_04]: is to get that, that crazy view.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So, um, you know, like Glenn Boulder is a good one to get up onto the cliffs below

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Canon as a good view, uh, Willard, um, Webster, anything that looks down into

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_04]: a notches is perfect.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Good call.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Good call for sure.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Should be nice.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and then stop up next here, we've got a reminder here.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So we are going to be at the rescue me 5k, which is on Saturday,

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_04]: November 9th.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be in Lincoln, New Hampshire and registration is open right now.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's $30 per, um, per runner.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're under 17, it's 25.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It starts at 10 a.m.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And, um, this is a good fundraiser for the, the lakes region search and rescue.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So, um, definitely get out there.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Stomp will be there spinning tasty beats and I'll be there.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what I'll be doing.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be running, I think, but I'll hang out.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_11]: We're going to be a MCing the event.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Um, the bib pickup starts at 830 and then after there's, um, generally like an award

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_11]: ceremony after the fact that moat complimentary moat mountain brewery craft beer after the

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_11]: fact.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_11]: So pretty cool.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_11]: We'll see you there.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_11]: And it's, and this is my birthday.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_11]: So everybody better show up.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm going to be 55.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_11]: How scary is that?

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_13]: 55.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_13]: That's a good number.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_13]: You're 55, huh?

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_11]: 55 almost 54th.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_11]: At the moment I'm hanging on.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_13]: I'm looking at you here.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_13]: You're doing okay, Stomp.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_13]: You're assault.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_13]: You're a solid five.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_13]: You're five.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_13]: What's the scale?

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_13]: Five or six.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_13]: I'd say.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_13]: Out of 10?

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_13]: What?

[00:17:57] Okay.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: A mediocre then.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll take that.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, um, Jimmy Carter in the wheelchair being a one.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Did you see that this week?

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: The poor guy is 100 years old.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_11]: I've been, um, the entire, the entire post office is waiting with

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_11]: baited breath for him to pass to get a day off.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I know, but it's true.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he doesn't look so good, but you're, you know, you're a

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: five, five, five and a half.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's say.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll take what I can get.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, um, we've got a update on full conditions here.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And then we'll get back to the wolf story.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_11]: It, um, it sold out a couple of weeks ago and, um, we just got

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_11]: word that there is a new wait list.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_11]: So you can go to the same website on the Instagram link

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_11]: tree and there's a wait list.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_11]: And basically what they'll do is wait for the weather.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_11]: And if the weather is appropriate, then they are going to

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_11]: open up the whole back of the pint house with tents and

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_11]: propane heaters and a whole bunch of folks who'd be

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_11]: able to sneak in.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_11]: So get on the wait list and you may be surprised.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_11]: You may be able to get to see some of the show.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_11]: So thank you reckless for considering that.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Now Stomp's favorite newspaper, the cowboy state day.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: What is this out of this out of Wyoming?

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's Wyoming.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So a Wisconsin duck hunter said he was surrounded by a pack

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: of aggressive wolves and he shot one in self-defense.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Unlike in Wyoming, wolves remain fed federally protected

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_04]: in Wisconsin and can't be hunted.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: The man says he's confident he'll be cleared because

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess he said that this guy's a hunter and a fisherman

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and he's used to seeing these wolves around.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He said he's never had any trouble, but he was completely

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: unprepared for what happened last weekend where

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: he was with a couple of other duck hunters and they were

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: surrounded by a pack of wolves in northern Wisconsin.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So he had to shoot and kill one in self-defense.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Wild, huh?

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess it's legal to shoot them in self-defense.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, of course.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_11]: So there is some potential legal jeopardy here

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_11]: and I'm sure to work out, but yeah.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's 19, he's going to school to be a lineman.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So basically like fixing electrical wires and stuff like that.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's got his life figured out and I'm not just

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_04]: gonna throw it away by going up there and shooting a wolf

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: just to do it so he kind of defended himself.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's some talk that like, I guess there's

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: increasingly more issues with these wolves in Wisconsin

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: that are getting more and more bold around hunters

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and tourists.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So I guess what happened is that he took a couple

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_04]: of young kids duck hunting, 13 and 14 years old

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and he picked them up at like three in the morning

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and by 6.30 or so they made the drive to the area

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and found a pretty good spot.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_04]: They put the duck decoys out and they sat down

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: by a tree and they built a blind and settled in

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and then one of the kids I guess looked to the left

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and thought that a deer was coming and then lo and behold

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_04]: it was a wolf.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Five to seven of them.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It looked small and scrawny.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then more and more of them came around

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and then that was it.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_04]: The guy got nervous and one of them came pretty close

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and he blasted the wolf in the face

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and the rest of them took off.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, wild.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean we usually talk about bear attacks and whatnot

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_11]: so this is a little different.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_11]: So pretty interesting.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it says wolf attacks are pretty rare.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I get it.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_04]: The kid was probably pretty nervous

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: so it'll be interesting to follow this

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: to see if there's any charges against him

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: but he seems to claim that it's self-defense

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and it seems pretty likely that it was.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, sounds like there are witnesses to it potentially.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_14]: Yep.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_14]: Cool.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So I guess it's helpful to have a gun in that situation.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't really know Wolfshorn, Wisconsin, but it's a big state.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Crazy.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I was surrounded by wildlife the other morning.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Your deer pack family there up on the hill?

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I did so many deer

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and woods and farm now in Amesbury.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I had like one deer that was out in the middle of the field

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and then he started moving away

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and then all of a sudden there was like seven or eight

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_04]: of them moving in the woods, like baby deer

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and they're all eating trees and stuff

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_04]: so I think they get fattened up for the winter.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, how big is this?

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Acreage wise, this area.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I'd say it's probably like,

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, a couple hundred acres, it's pretty big.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: When I run from one end to another

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_04]: it's like a three mile loop in the farm

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_04]: so yeah, there's plenty of room for them to move around.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I find that amazing that they have found a way

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_11]: to survive in the suburban areas.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, one half of the town, Amesbury is a weird place

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: like one half of it is very densely populated

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and then the other half is all like open space.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: We have woods and farm, we have the town forest

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and then we've got Lake Gardener

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and then another farm called Battis Farms

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and they're all like public farms

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and then we've got Poe Hill

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_04]: so there's like this whole half of the town

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that's open space that goes probably like five miles.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Protected lands in the town, the open space?

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Some of it's protected, it wasn't before

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's kind of weird politically

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: so Amesbury has like these horrible sports fields

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_04]: like we don't have any,

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_04]: we have the worst sports fields

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: in all of like Cape Ann League

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and Merrimack Valley Conference

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and the old mayor was like planning to like get

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: new sports fields and new soccer fields on this farm

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: but then he ran against some other mayor

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: that's now the mayor

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and they didn't like hit this old mayor

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think because the idea of putting the soccer fields

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: in woods and farm was his,

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: they killed it

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: but then they like spent all the money elsewhere

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and now we have horrible soccer fields

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: so I don't know, it's a mess.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_11]: I remember that one place by the middle school there,

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_11]: the concrete wall.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Landry Stadium.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Landry, yes.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Landry Stadium, yeah.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_11]: That's not a bad stadium

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_11]: but it seems like it's somewhat in disrepair.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they don't let the soccer kids

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: or any other sports except football use it

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: so it's a point of contention in town.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Cool man.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Amesbury is not the most functional place

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: but I won't be here for much longer so...

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_10]: Slasher's hiking topic of the week.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But stop moving on to North Carolina, Tennessee

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_04]: flooding from the hurricane.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was down in North Carolina last week

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: so I flew in on Thursday night

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: which was just as Hurricane Helene was entering

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: the western hills of North Carolina

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: in Tennessee and we received rain

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_04]: in through about Friday afternoon

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_04]: but we were central North Carolina

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_04]: so luckily Helene went farther west.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it went up through Knoxville

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_04]: but what ended up happening is that

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: it dumped about 30 inches of rain.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Imagine...

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to talk about Hurricane Irene from 2011

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I believe that that maxed out at like 8 or 10 inches.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_04]: This had three times that amount of rain

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: so that 30 inches of rain that hit the area

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: so are you familiar at all with Blue Ridge, Asheville?

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Not really.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_11]: The Smokies?

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_11]: No not really.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Nope, just traveled there a couple times but...

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Not really.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah Asheville is...

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Asheville, North Carolina is the main community

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: in that area and I would say it's like a...

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: it's bigger than like North Conway or Lincoln

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: but it is up in the hills

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think the difference between that particular area

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and our own white mountains is that

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: they have water reservoirs

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: so they have above Asheville

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and right below Mount Mitchell

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_04]: which is like the highest elevation.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So, Mount Mitchell is at like 6600 feet

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: that's the highest elevation in the East Coast

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: at about 4200 feet

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: there is a reservoir called North Fork

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and that reservoir basically feeds down into Asheville

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and a number of other lower level reservoirs

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and communities and I think that the difference in that part

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: of the country compared to like the white mountains

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: is that there's more smaller communities

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that are like on the mountains themselves

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: whereas in the whites we really...

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: we have communities but they're more like in the valleys

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and there's no really communities

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that are like blocking the drainage

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: so I feel like the white mountains

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: like the drainage is like more established I think

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: is the way to put it

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: but essentially so you have this big water reservoir

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: at 4200 feet

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: then they use the gravity to feed it down

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: into the cities and communities

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they have lower...

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and they have a couple of other reservoirs

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: around that same elevation

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that go on the Tennessee side

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and the Western North Carolina side

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and I guess what happened is

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: is that those reservoirs

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously with 30 inches of rain

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you've got drainage coming off

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_04]: of the higher elevations of Mount Mitchell

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_04]: those reservoirs overflowed

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: very quickly

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and then from there

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess some of the water

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: went directly down into Asheville

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and then another part of it

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_04]: followed another road

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that basically wiped out a bunch of communities

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that were more due east

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and everything flowed into this

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Lake Lurie which is at like 1100 feet

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: so you've got all this water that's going down

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_04]: like 2000 feet of elevation

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's gaining momentum as it's going through

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and it just basically took out

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: every house, every bridge

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: every community that was in its way

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: That's fascinating

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_11]: What did the storm

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_11]: stall out?

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and just sit there? I don't really know

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I was traveling

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and I was just sort of busy paying attention

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_04]: checking into the hotel and then we were doing stuff

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_04]: on Friday

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I was working Friday morning and then

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Friday night we were kind of in the college

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: so we really didn't realize how bad it was

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_04]: until

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Saturday morning is when the news came on

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that and then we started

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_04]: seeing some linemen showing up at our hotel

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_04]: they were staying there on their way over

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: but we didn't realize

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: how bad it was until Saturday

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: is when the news started coming in that it was really bad

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_11]: I wonder if there's a

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_11]: preparatory lowering

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_11]: of the reservoir

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_11]: beforehand

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even know if that was possible

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_04]: but I saw a bunch of videos and it was crazy

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_04]: it was just people, you know there would be this little stream

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_04]: of water that's coming through

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and then like an hour and a half later

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_04]: it would look very much like you see out in the west coast

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_04]: with these flash floods where

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: the debris just gets pushed down

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: a mountain top because of rain

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's sort of the same dynamic

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and bridges got taken out and everything

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: but I did

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I was on a couple of

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_04]: websites here

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: so essentially

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a website that has

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_04]: an

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: aggregation of ongoing emergencies

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: just like looking through this, there's this list of like

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_04]: urgent medical welfare

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_04]: some of these people are known to be safe

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: but they need to be evacuated

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_04]: some of them need supplies

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and when you look at this like Burnsville

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_04]: North Carolina there's like

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_04]: one, two, three, four, five

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_04]: six addresses

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_04]: people that need

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: to be evacuated

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and then there's 107 people that need provisions

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_04]: in Asheville

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_04]: there's like a dozen

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: names of people that need medical help

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_04]: or they need evacuation

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_04]: in Brevard

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: probably five or six people

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_04]: that need evacuation

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: elderly like a 93 year old person

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_04]: 70 year old person

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_04]: elderly with Parkinson's disease

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Bakersville, North Carolina

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Black Mountain, Old Forge

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Weatherville

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_04]: elderly person with a dog

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_04]: people checking in

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_04]: saying like okay we've checked on these people

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: they've gotten provision

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_04]: some people that are diabetic that need medication

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: so it's really scary

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and then communication is a big issue

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess today

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_04]: they're starting to get starlink

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_04]: equipment out into those areas

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: so apparently there's private

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: citizens that are flying helicopters

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: into these regions with starlink equipment

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: so that they can set up the satellite

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_04]: dishes and then set up the

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the routers that go along with them

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and then that way they'll be able to

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: communicate and get internet connection

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: so I think one of the lessons

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_04]: on this one here is I do think

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that people need to start thinking about starlink

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_04]: if you live in a rural area

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: or an area that's prone to lose

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_04]: or even if you just live in the suburb

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_04]: if you think you're going to lose power

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: starlink is not cheap

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it's probably

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I pay like maybe 90

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: or 110 dollars a month for it

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_04]: in Maine

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_04]: but you may want to look at it

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_04]: as like a backup generator for your internet

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_04]: so if you have a generator

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_04]: so you lose power, you have a generator

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you've got your starlink

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_04]: connected then you're fully on the internet

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and connected

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_11]: I can tie something into that

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_11]: because I actually removed it from this section

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_11]: of the script because

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_11]: what is it? Jacobi

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_11]: the generator company

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_11]: they're having a 50% off sale up until

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_11]: October 7th

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_11]: those are really decent generators

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_11]: so people might want to check that out

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and look at those more and more

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a generac

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: which is like a 6200

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: so I have a transfer switch on my house

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: so I can basically cut over

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't run everything but it runs my heat

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: it'll run electricity

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I could easily plug in

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: the starlink router

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and set up the satellite

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_04]: so it's definitely something to think about

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and then on this Google Sheet here

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_04]: again there's all these

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_04]: wellness checks that are needed

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean there's literally dozens

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and dozens of people and this was as of

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_04]: yesterday people are asking

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: bring backpacks and duffel bags to haul

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: stuff with

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: they need people to

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_04]: walk in and out of difficult terrain

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: hauling stuff to this church

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_04]: area they're telling people to wear boots

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: good walking shoes and clothing

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: you don't mind getting dirty

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_04]: so they're

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: asking for horse feed

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: they're looking for senior

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_04]: feed or crimped oats

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_04]: for horses

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: there's people that may be trapped

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_04]: they need fuel, gas cans

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_04]: water and reusable jugs

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_04]: nutritious food, baby supplies

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_04]: so these are all things I think

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_04]: people should stop thinking about

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like in cases of an emergency like that

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_04]: it's instructive to sort of think about

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_04]: are you prepared or not

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_11]: oh yeah

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean every winter up here

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_11]: we lose power for two or three days it seems

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_11]: so even

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_11]: for a short duration you need to be ready

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and there's

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_04]: a couple of designated shelters in Asheville

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_04]: so there's Harris Cherokee

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Center

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_04]: there's the first Baptist church

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Swannanoa

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and then there's Trinity Baptist

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Church from West Asheville

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a farm that needs

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_04]: help rebuilding in Hendersonville

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_04]: North Carolina

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a relief fund

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_04]: for river guides on the Pigeon River

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I'll include all this

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Highwire Brewing

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_04]: needs help

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_04]: their headquarters and

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Beard Garden has been totally submerged

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a lady here

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04]: that put in she's like I'm so worried about my mom

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_04]: on Laurel Court I know it's not far from downtown

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: so if anybody knows anything I'd be so grateful

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: please call me

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and let me know if my mother's okay

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_12]: hmm

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_04]: just heartbreaking

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_04]: so there's another

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_04]: incident here Black Mountain

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: is another area that got hit really hard

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_04]: it said that

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_04]: rescue services have been able to

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_04]: confirm

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that everybody that they were looking for

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_04]: is there but the majority

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_04]: of the folks are stuck on the mountain

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_04]: there is a there was a woman in labor

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and an elderly couple that were evacuated

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_04]: but everybody else remains

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_04]: they need supplies delivered

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_04]: by air especially fuel and gasoline

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and there may be

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_04]: some additional

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_04]: evacuations that are needed

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess the neighbors are meeting daily at noon

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_04]: at a particular address

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and there is a helicopter landing pad that they've cleared out there

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_04]: for people so

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean this just goes on and on

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Batcave, North Carolina

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a community of 50 people

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_04]: with three dogs that are stranded

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and cut off from the roadways from mudslides

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and bridges and highways washed away

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_04]: there's some elderly and sick that are needed

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_04]: incredible

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_04]: it's really really sad so

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I pulled a couple of things here stomp

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously for us

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and again this is not a big priority

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: in the grand scheme of things

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_04]: but you know we're hiking podcast

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: so more than a third of the Appalachian Trail

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_04]: is closed due to hurricane damage

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_04]: damn that's going to put a grimp huh

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: so parks and trail towns along the southern reaches

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_04]: of the AT are devastated

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_04]: so they're saying

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: more than a third of the Appalachian Trail

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: is currently inaccessible to hikers

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: wow

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_04]: so the ATC executive director said

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: that the organization believes

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_04]: some sections of the trail could be

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_04]: close for an extended period of time

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_04]: because bridges have washed away so it could be

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_04]: you know communities in Damascus

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and Erwin, Tennessee and Hot Springs

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_04]: have been devastated so it could be

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you know early season Appalachian Trail

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_04]: may be tough this year going north

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I would assume some trails are just gone

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_04]: so the ATC has asked hikers

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and visitors to stay off the trail

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_04]: between Springer Mountain and Rockfish Gap

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: which is the 864 mile mark

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: northbound

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's also requesting that volunteers

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and trail workers stop working on that section

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_04]: of the AT for the time being

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_04]: noting that falling trees

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and landslides continue to be a danger

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_04]: in the damage area

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the Facebook pages for the Appalachian Trail

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: hikers stop

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_04]: most people are pretty good

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: they're like how can we donate

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and how can we help

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_04]: but there's definitely a few knuckleheads on there

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_04]: that'll like

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_05]: don't let this bring you down

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_05]: you can keep going

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_05]: you can finish

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_05]: hike your own hike

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: and all this other stuff and people like dude

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_05]: there's like

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_05]: people in the middle of a

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_05]: devastating disaster here

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_05]: who cares about you through hike

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_11]: no kidding but seriously the risk

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_11]: in these areas

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_11]: you're setting yourself up for serious

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_11]: trouble

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah and there's no

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_04]: any trail angels out there

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_04]: the Blue Ridge Parkway is closed

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_04]: as the National Park Service

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: is assessing the damage so

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: this is a disaster stomp

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_11]: unbelievable

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_04]: well the trail will be there

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_04]: some other time

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_04]: the trail will be there

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I did pull a couple of other things here

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_04]: so Sawyer water filters

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Sawyer squeeze Sawyer products

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_04]: they're giving away

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_04]: 10,000 filters for

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: hurricane relief so anybody

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_04]: that needs one they are

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_04]: going to get in touch with

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_04]: search and rescue and county officials

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_04]: in the southern Appalachian

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: area to give these away to anybody

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: that needs one

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: that is cool

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Eagle Nest Outfitters

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_04]: which is known as Eno

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_04]: they are I know them as the

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_04]: hammock makers

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_04]: their headquarters is in Asheville

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and they are shut down

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_04]: offices are closed

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and they are unable to ship orders

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_04]: so thanks for your patience and support

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_04]: but I think if you're going to look

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_04]: for a hammock in the near future

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_04]: you may be

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_04]: you may be

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_04]: there may be a shortage there because Eno

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_04]: is like in with all of the gear companies

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and I have like four of these things

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but it may be

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_04]: a shortage for a while

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and last but not least

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_04]: stop the Appalachian Long Distance

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Hikers Association

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Alda has put together

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_04]: a relief fund I will include that

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_04]: in the show notes in case somebody wants to donate

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they have also put out

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: a statement saying that

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: they are going to

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_04]: they're going to use 10,000 dollars

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_04]: from their reserve fund to start

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_04]: this relief fund

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and essentially like they're going to

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_04]: focus on helping hostile owners

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and other service providers

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_04]: secondarily provide relief to trail communities

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_04]: the AT passes through

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_04]: they may also use the funds to help

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: other trail communities, trail clubs

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and other

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_04]: clubs that might help with trail repairs

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they've also resolved

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: that any current Alda members

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_04]: out on the trail this year that cannot

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_04]: complete the trail due to closures

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_04]: our trail conditions will be honored

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: with completion certificates

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: so that's basically like the carrot

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_04]: to say like yeah you can say you completed it

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: but get off the trail

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: well

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_04]: yep

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_04]: so and I guess they said that their first

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_04]: work trip is going to be at

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Mountain Harbor

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and that they've already gone into some hard

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_04]: hit areas

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_04]: especially the ones that FEMA will be slower

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_04]: to get to

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and they're going to help to start clearing up

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and get things ready for

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_04]: for the area so

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_04]: they'll continue to organize work trips

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and use emergency funds as they identify

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_04]: opportunities to apply them

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_04]: that will benefit trail friends

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Alda's a good organization so I'll include

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_04]: those in the

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll include links to those in the show notes

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it's a disaster stop

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_11]: yep sure is

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_11]: you feel helpless like you wish

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_11]: you could do something

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah yeah I mean

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_11]: I kind of feel bad I was like

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I was like drinking

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and partying all day Saturday and it was like

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: 200 miles away from me is a disaster going on

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know yeah I'm glad you got out of there

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_04]: alright

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah Mrs. Mike wouldn't let me go anyway

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_04]: she would have been like stay here

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_04]: party

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_11]: oh boy well we should

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_11]: be getting the remnants of that this weekend I

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_11]: would think

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: well maybe

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that that Helene

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_04]: is long gone but maybe

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_04]: there'll be the remnants or something else

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: alright so this prompted

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: me stop to take a look at Hurricane Irene

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: which was a

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_04]: a big storm that dumped I think like

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_04]: 8 to 10 inches of rain in

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_04]: New Hampshire and the White Mountain so I think that this

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_04]: originally hit like New York I think this

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_04]: was the one that whacked New York and Long Island

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: really bad yeah

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I was trying to think of where I was at the time

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_11]: and I remember now

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_11]: I was madly in love with Mrs. Stomp

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_11]: because we met

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_11]: in 2010

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_11]: okay interesting

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_11]: so that's why I don't have any

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_11]: really solid memories of this

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_11]: damn event and we

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_11]: this was pre-pre-hiking bug

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Mrs. Stomp so we

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_11]: weren't into the hiking together at the time

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_11]: so our mind was not focused

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and it might have been like

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_04]: this is the June of 2011

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_04]: might have been when me and you actually first met

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and we did that first race

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_04]: that might have been the Mount Washington race

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_04]: because I think you and Mrs. Stomp were like newly

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_04]: coupled

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_04]: for sure

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_04]: she was like you guys are insane like

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_04]: why would anyone have a do like climb a mountain

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_04]: that's nuts and now look at her

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah right she was crazy

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah so anyway

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_04]: August 28th

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_04]: 2011 Hurricane Irene

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_04]: made landfall fall near New York City

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and then promptly

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_04]: made its way up

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_04]: basically rode right along the border

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: of New York and New England

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I think maybe it went a little bit

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_04]: to the east there

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: but yeah it actually

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_04]: it started cutting into

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_04]: the east

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and followed the border of Vermont

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_04]: in New Hampshire

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess the strongest winds

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: across New Hampshire

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: were

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_04]: 63 miles an hour in Portsmouth

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_04]: 52 miles an hour in Concord

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_04]: 51 in Manchester

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: 48 in Laconia

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Mount Washington had gusts of up to

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: 104

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and then 120 as it started passing away

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_04]: here it said the combination of wet soil

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and prolonged periods of strong gusty winds

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_04]: brought down numerous trees

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_04]: across the state there was one person killed

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and three people injured

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_04]: due to following trees and branches

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess in Wolfboro

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_04]: 30 year old man was killed

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and a 60 year old man was injured

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_04]: when a tree fell on them while they were cleaning

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_04]: debris in the roadway

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: like I said

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_04]: it was 8 inches of rain

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_04]: at the max

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_04]: here so 1

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_04]: 1.5 to 3 inches southern New Hampshire

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_04]: 3 to 6 across most of the remainder of the state

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: white mountains were 5 to 8 inches

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and then rainfall was elevated

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_04]: dependent on the highest elevations

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_04]: receiving the greatest amount

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_04]: so much of the rain

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_04]: fell it wasn't so much the amount

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_04]: it was that it only fell across several hours

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_04]: causing flash flooding of rivers

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and streams

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_04]: so many bridges and roads were washed out

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and damaged

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_04]: there was 7 inches

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_04]: over Pinkham Notch, Bartlett and Randolph

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_04]: in between 6 and 7

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_04]: in Gorham and Wolfboro and center sandwich

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and then the highest amount was sergeant purchase

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: which is Mount Washington Observatory

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: that's right

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_11]: I have a stat here too

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_11]: the Pemmy River in Holiness

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_11]: um

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_11]: reached its 7th highest crest

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_11]: of all time at 21 feet

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_11]: so if you can imagine

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_11]: that if you're familiar with

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_11]: um the covered bridge

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_11]: um

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_11]: in the Plymouth area

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_11]: the water is basically up to the bridge

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_11]: it's incredible

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_11]: it's a lot

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and probably the most well known

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_04]: damage that happened here

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_04]: is the wash out of the Sawyer

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_04]: River Bridge on 302

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: so 302

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_04]: up near

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Sawyer River Road got washed out completely

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: so you could not go

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_04]: from Bartlett in North

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Conway and Bartlett up to

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_04]: um like the Highland Center

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_04]: it was washed out completely

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_04]: so that road

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_04]: basically lifted up the way the bridge is

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and you couldn't get through it

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_04]: because it was washed out

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and then the Sawyer River upstream

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_04]: there was homes that were flooded due to a breach

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_04]: in the levee

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and um

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it was just significant damage

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_04]: for a time

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and I can't remember how long 302 was shut down

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_04]: but it was for a while

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_04]: matter of fact I was doing Reach the Beach that year

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and we had to drive around

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was a pain in the neck

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_04]: wow

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_04]: crazy

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_04]: so yeah natural disasters do happen

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_04]: stop hopefully we won't have anything um anytime soon

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I will also include in the show notes

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a fun if you go to the view

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_04]: from the top forum

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and you do a search for Irene

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_04]: there's some fun like um

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_04]: discussions on

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: where to

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_04]: basically where to go

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_04]: to like repair stuff so there was a lot of concern

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_04]: about like the North Twin Trail

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_04]: there was concerns about Zelen

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_04]: uh there was some concerns about

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess Edmunds path got wiped out at that

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_04]: top section completely

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and uh they were just sort of comparing

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_04]: it to some other storms

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was interesting to see the arguments online

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_04]: so everyone wanted to get out

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and start clearing areas

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_04]: but the Forest Service was warning people not

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_04]: to go out because they didn't want them

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess going out there

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_04]: until they had sort of cleared some of the Widowmaker

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: trees and they wanted everything to

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_04]: settle down and people were like I'm not listening

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_04]: to them I'm going to go out and start clearing

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_04]: so some things never change

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_11]: I remember locally um

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_11]: right here there's the Scour

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_11]: that was ruined by Irene

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_11]: so they had to rebuild

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_11]: that entire trail system coming off

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_11]: a Greeley really pond trail

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_11]: and they had to remake the whole new thing

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_11]: that was ruined a lot of

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_11]: the trails got damaged permanently

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_11]: and had to just be remade and redirected

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_11]: incredible

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it's crazy

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_04]: they had um

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I'm just reading right here there's just people talking about how

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: like oh yeah I went and I checked the twin way

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_04]: to lend a hand

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and cleared it all out it's in good shape

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Zelen trail is in good shape today

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Amor ravine

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_04]: had to be a lot of

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of blow downs and

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah there's a lot of talk about like just organizing

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_04]: you know who's who's getting

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_04]: what trails and what's clear and what's not

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: so right

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: amazing

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: so anyway the weather

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_04]: they'll be at least one or two

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah 55 stop it may not be but like

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: at least for me I'll probably have at least one or two more big hurricanes

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm planning on living up to uh Jimmy Carter's age

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_11]: if I uh

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_04]: you are? oh yeah

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_04]: you look long enough yesterday I felt bad for him

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: like if that's how I'm gonna live to be 100

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to live

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah he looked pretty pretty shriveled up

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_11]: poor guy

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_11]: still smiling

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah you know he lived a heck of a life

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_13]: wow no kidding

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: speaking of heck of a life stop

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Eric Todd sweet a frequent guest on the show

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and a white mountain

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_04]: celebrity um I guess he is hiking

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_04]: here for his 200th summit

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Saturday and you're thinking the weather looks a little

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_04]: sketch

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah just beware I'm sure that won't really

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_11]: stop many people but uh

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_11]: the temple v 61

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_11]: there is a 45

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_11]: chance currently a rain Saturday

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_11]: so the trails are gonna be a little bit wet

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_11]: and this is pretty much in the Bretton Woods area

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_11]: probably raining a bit up until

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_11]: 10 but who knows

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_11]: what's gonna happen so be real safe out there

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and um congrats

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Eric um I don't think I can make it

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_11]: actually but um I think

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Nobby and a few other folks are joining

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_11]: so have a good time

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: well I'm looking

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: at the weather right now in Brownfield

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Maine and it looks like rain in the morning

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: but it looks like it's clearing in the afternoon

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I will not be joining you Eric but congratulations

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_04]: on number 200 but I will be at the Freiburg

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Fair eating um

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_04]: bloomin onions and french fries

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that's great

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: working on your figure and touring

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_04]: RVs campers

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that's my favorite thing to do

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I love going to all the campers

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I also look at all the tractors

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and I go I like that tractor

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and I don't like that one and I like this one

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah like you're gonna use one

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: exactly I'm like well

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: someday I'll need a tractor

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_11]: why not

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know like

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_04]: some reason I feel like I know

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I like I feel like I can

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_04]: pick a good tractor and a bad tractor

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: you could

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_03]: you've got it all figured out huh

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I just go with instinct

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'm like that one's a good one that one's not so good

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_04]: you know what else I like looking at it the fears is

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_04]: the um

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_04]: the wood cutting machines

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_04]: they have like the um

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_04]: the mobile saw mills

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: that you can check out yeah I like those

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I could use one of them yeah I could use one of them

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: oh yeah build your edition

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah I could do that

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: put it all together

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_03]: make my own two by fours

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_05]: put them up there

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_05]: couple nails good to go

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I would

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_05]: do one and I'd be like alright I'm bored

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going hiking

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_05]: that's great

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_10]: we all know that hiking a mountain

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_10]: can be hard at times

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_10]: so here's a corny dad joke

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_10]: to help you get over it

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_10]: but um bum

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_05]: alright stop this is the part of the show where

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I am completely

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_04]: unprepared for dad joke

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_04]: oh boy that's alright

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_11]: what you got

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_06]: hold on I got something

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I got something

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Camilla sent me something

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_11]: the build up is killing me here

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_06]: alright we'll never mind

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought she sent me something somebody sent me a really good

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_04]: alright here we go

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_04]: she sent me a picture that says frog parking only

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and said all others will be toad

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_04]: but it's not toad

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_04]: it's toad

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_11]: of course

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_11]: that's really digging the bottom of the barrel there

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah that was a good

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_04]: alright here's another one what did one toilet say to the other

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I give up

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_04]: you look a bit flushed

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_04]: you know what I mean like flush on your face

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_04]: anyway those are horrible

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_11]: don't bump

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_10]: hey what's that sound

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_10]: it must be time for the pop culture segment

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_10]: with Mike and stop

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_04]: alright stop this is the part of the show where we talk about pop culture

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: we haven't really done a lot of pop culture lately

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_04]: um bit of a lull here

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_04]: but what are you looking at

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_04]: what are you into

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_04]: last night I saw this

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_11]: this trailer pop up for a new movie

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_11]: and it stars my favorite

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_11]: uh Hobbit

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_11]: Elijah Wood and it's called Bookworm

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_11]: and what's really neat about this movie

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it's been released in Australia

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_11]: in some remote places so it's not

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_11]: released here

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_11]: we'll give you the trailer

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_11]: but it's a young 11 year old girl

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_11]: and

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_11]: basically her world has turned upside down according to

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_11]: the description here

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_11]: when her estranged father

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_11]: the washed up magician

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_11]: who is Elijah Wood, strong wise

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_11]: strong wise

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_11]: hmm comes

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah it's a little kind of a nod to

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_04]: C&W

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah it's interesting so he comes to look after her

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_11]: and agrees to take her on a camping adventure

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_11]: to find a mythological beast

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_11]: known as the Canterbury panther

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_11]: but the trailer looks phenomenal

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's all outdoors it's all hiking

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's just intending and the whole thing

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_11]: so I'm really curious to see how this does

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_11]: and uh yeah so

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_11]: that's looking cool I haven't really been watching much else

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_11]: we plan to see Joker

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_11]: this weekend Joker part 2

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_11]: and uh

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah that's about it

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I've been a little bit of a

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_04]: well I was flying so I had

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I had downloaded on Netflix

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Mr. McMahon

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a six part

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_04]: bio pic about

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Vince McMahon from the WWF

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_04]: okay so I thought

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_04]: that was really fascinating and then I've been

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_04]: watching the TV show from

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_04]: have you heard of the show from

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I keep on seeing the ad for it

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_11]: and a number of people have said it's really phenomenal

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah it's

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_04]: really good I watched like the first season

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_04]: on Amazon because it was free and now

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_04]: like I can't get the other seasons because you have to like

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_04]: they suck you in and I have to

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_04]: get a subscription to MGM

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_04]: plus so it's what I'm not doing but season

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_04]: one was excellent um and

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_04]: then I've been watching me and Mrs.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Mike have been watching Below Deck and Caroline

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_04]: has been joining us so we watch Below Deck

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Mediterranean because we love Captain Sandy

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: what's that about

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a reality show

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_04]: about people that

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_04]: they work on like these

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_04]: yachts in the Mediterranean

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_04]: serving staff

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it's a serving staff so you have like the

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_04]: the stew the stewardesses

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_04]: then you have the bosson and the

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_04]: deck hands right and then you have the

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_04]: chef and then you have the captain and then

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_04]: the guests come on board and calamity ensues

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I think I saw one snippet of

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_11]: a guest

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_11]: trying to talk one of the stewards

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_11]: into coming into a hutt tub and she was like

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_11]: oh I don't know if I can do that is that the show

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah yeah I think that's it

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it gets a little creepy sometimes the guests

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_04]: are horrible people and sometimes they're really nice

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_04]: so anyway but um

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_04]: so that's what we're into a lot of TV a lot of

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_04]: nonsense stunt that we're up to here

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_04]: um but you're not into as much nonsense as

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I am because you actually did a little work for the

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_04]: show and found a plasma lighter

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_04]: that you wanted to talk about in gear

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_10]: review

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_11]: holy moly

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah it's like after this week and trying to get

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_11]: a soaked fire started for

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_11]: two hours I saw I stumbled

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_11]: upon this and it's not butane

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_11]: it's a plasma

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_11]: lighter and uh it's

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_11]: they claim it's 20 times more powerful

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_11]: than a regular lighter it's an arc

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_11]: lighter so it makes a plasma

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_11]: arc which

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_11]: those have been around for a couple years now

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_11]: but this thing apparently

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_11]: can shoot a

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_11]: seven inch long

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_11]: plasma it's like a lightsaber

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_11]: it's like a mini lightsaber

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_11]: 1700-1800 degrees

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_11]: and windproof waterproof

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_11]: casing it recharges on

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_11]: USB uh there's a safety lock

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_11]: looks incredible but

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_11]: for those trying to start fires or whatever

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_11]: there you go so check it out

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_11]: looks really neat

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_04]: it's $40 so that looks pretty good

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah 40 bucks it's

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_11]: highly rated thousands of

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_11]: reviews and if you go to Amazon

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_11]: look up plasma lighters

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_11]: you'll find the cheaper ones

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_11]: but they don't have the range of

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_11]: 6-7 inches which is

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_11]: I would think trying to start a fire a little

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_11]: arc lighter is not going to do the trick

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe I'm wrong so

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_11]: pretty neat stuff out there

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_14]: okay well that's good to know

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_14]: and then we got some

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_14]: plugs here we gotta do right

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_11]: oh yes well I mean

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_11]: at this point you can get your stickers at

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Ski Fanatics and Spinners and I just want to say

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_11]: a happy 30th anniversary to the

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_11]: spinners crew pops and dolls down

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_11]: and over off of

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Dascom Road and over

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Mass the 30th anniversary

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_11]: is this October so congrats

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_11]: is it their 30th anniversary like

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_04]: wedding or that the shop

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: store has been open the shop yeah they

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_11]: opened up in 1994 and

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_11]: they've been making their ad here

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_11]: as specializing in handspun

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_11]: thin crust Italian pizza

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_11]: homemade sauce it's been

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_11]: the region's number one pizza shop forever

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_11]: so that's a cool achievement

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_11]: so congrats to them

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_11]: um

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_11]: what else we have swag up at the

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_11]: bonfire shop those are flying off the racks

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and this week we had a

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_11]: coffee donation through the

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_11]: buy me a coffee website off of the

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Instagram link tree

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_11]: and someone quote unquote someone

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_11]: in Texas donated six they really

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_11]: enjoy the podcast so thank you

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_11]: someone whoever you are

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_04]: who do you think that is excellent

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know I don't know

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe oh my god imagine

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_04]: but stop just going back to spinners for

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_04]: seconds so 30 years they've been open

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_04]: breaking news um I know that

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_04]: you're a root one sort of sogas

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_04]: guy yeah the

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_04]: continental restaurant is closing

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_04]: effective um

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_04]: right before Thanksgiving

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_11]: okay I'm trying to think

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_11]: of where what town is that in

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_04]: that's in sagas so the content

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_04]: is one of the classic restaurants it's

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of like almost directly across from

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Prince but it's on the it's on the north

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_11]: been there once isn't it more of like

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_11]: the high school prom type of

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_04]: building I don't know about that but

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_04]: it's like it's got like

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_04]: it has a lot of leather on the walls

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_04]: it's like very like it's right out

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_04]: of the 1950s

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it's got big thick doors like

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: the doors no joke are like a foot and a half

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_04]: wide right and then it has like a function

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_04]: hall upstairs but it's very like dated

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_04]: they're very sad in there I

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_04]: my father loves it so we go in there but

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_04]: you know they have the bean dip salad

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_04]: that you get and then they have those like pop

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_04]: over things the breaded oh yeah

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_04]: they're in like um they're

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_04]: like a muffin top but they're like very flaky

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and then they also have those

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_04]: like those donut

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_04]: type of things that are

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_04]: they they pour like a strawberry

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_04]: sauce on top of them or whatever so

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_04]: like by the time you even before you even

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_04]: ordered anything you filled up on bread

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and bean dip and in these other

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: things but I think it's just it's just

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_04]: a model that you know I think all the customers

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_04]: just died on them pretty much

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah I can imagine it's a time capsule for

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_11]: sure there's another place like that on

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_11]: route 114 in Danvers I forget the name

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_11]: of the restaurants on the right that was another

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_11]: popular spot it's that with the guy that was

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Teresa's well Teresa's

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_04]: was the other one that was in Middleton

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: that one's closed too oh yeah

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_11]: so yeah but

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah I'm pretty sure I had like a

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_11]: high school prom

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_11]: dinner at that place once

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_11]: crazy and we thought it was tacky

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_11]: back then

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I mean on route 1 the only thing that's left

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_04]: at this point is Prince which is

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I mentioned that I worked there

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: for like 10 years when I was in high school and college

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_04]: um and then there's also

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Caloon but Caloon is closing I think

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: in about a year or two and then they're

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: gonna be the well

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_04]: they're gonna reopen but they're they're

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: knocking down that building and I think they're

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_04]: developing like a mixed use retail

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and residential area of the same

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: thing they did over on the hilltop side

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they'll reopen with a smaller

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: version of Caloon is my that's what the last

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I read so that's a shame Prince is the last one

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_11]: wow I haven't been on that route

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_11]: for many many years I'm sure it's

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_11]: completely different

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah so we're talking

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_04]: about route 1 in Saugus for

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: all my North Shore listeners yeah

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_04]: anyway all right Stomp this is the part of the show where oh my god

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I just realized I failed I failed sober October

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even realize

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: haha yeah

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: this show we talk about what beer we're drinking but

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[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_04]: very good so this is the part of the show where we do

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: our beer talks so Stomp's doing sober October

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I forgot about sober October I would have

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I would have this will be my last beer

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_04]: for the month but I am drinking a lunch

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: IPA from Maine Beer Company

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's what we talking about early in the show

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a giant bottle

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: so what is that? What's the percentage on it

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: does it say?

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It says

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_04]: 7%

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: getting all sweaty looking at it

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I can be able to finish it

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: it says one pint

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: how many ounces is that?

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_11]: you just tortured me

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_11]: you know what I'm thinking

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a finback whale that was spotted

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_04]: off the coast of Maine

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_04]: as early as 1982

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: her dirse... oh I didn't know that

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: it's named after a whale I didn't know that

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_11]: oh very cool

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_11]: that's a great shot of you

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_11]: picking up that bottle

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_11]: right

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah so what I'm thinking

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_11]: to do is actually going

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_11]: this would be

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_11]: it's like a super extended Pamela loop so what I'm going to do is

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_11]: extend it out to

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_11]: the November 16th full condition

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_11]: so I think I might go from

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_11]: today or yesterday

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_11]: to November 16th

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_11]: so a super extended Sobre October

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_11]: what do you think about that?

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_11]: overachiever

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I think that's good maybe I'll join you

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'll wait until

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I was supposed to go to Tuckerman Brewing

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_04]: after the Fryberg Fair

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: on Saturday Stone

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_04]: oh you can have one cheat

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: come on one cheat is good one cheat

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: deal

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: this is part of the show where we talk about recent hike

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: stop I've been nowhere I was in

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Elon North Carolina drinking bears

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: all weekend so hopefully

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: you carried us with the hiking content

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I've been out a bit

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_11]: let's see I've done

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_11]: my little loops here around WD

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Wiltsch Dickey and Black Mountain

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_11]: but the big enchilada

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_11]: for the weekend here was

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_11]: joining Dave

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Shits in the woods

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_11]: beep

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_11]: and Liz Faye and Nobby Hikes

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_11]: for Dave's 100

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_11]: highest or 104 highest

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_11]: finish on the captain

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_11]: and we've been planning this

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_11]: for a while and the weather worked out really well

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_11]: and Dave's big

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_11]: planned was to have it be

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_11]: a two night backpack to really just

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_11]: celebrate and enjoy it

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_11]: and worked out really well so

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Friday morning

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Dave and Liz ended up

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_11]: taking their bikes and

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_11]: riding up Sawyer River Road early

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_11]: and I had virtual PT that morning

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_11]: so I got a later start and Nobby showed up here

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_11]: and camped in

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know early afternoon

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_11]: and we swapped out cars

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_11]: and got to Sawyer maybe around

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_11]: 132

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_11]: and got the bikes ready to go

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_11]: I had purchased

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_11]: well I didn't purchase my folks

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_11]: found a Kid Caboose for the back

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_11]: of my bike for like 30 bucks

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_11]: and that thing

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_11]: attached to my bike really well

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_11]: my bike's a piece of junk

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_11]: it's a mountain bike, it's an old Miata

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_11]: and I did the job though

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_11]: so I put my pack

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I think I had at least probably 60 pounds

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe with all the junk

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_11]: and we took a couple beverages up

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I dragged up a four pack

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_11]: of ciders just to celebrate

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_11]: with Dave

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and Nobby wore his heavy pack

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_11]: on his back as we were riding up

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_11]: can you imagine

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_11]: so big heavy pack

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_11]: riding 5 miles up Sawyer River Road

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_11]: to the end of

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Sawyer so you have to pass signal ridge trail

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_11]: ahead and then go another mile

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_11]: mile and a half to get to the gate

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_11]: and

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_11]: he was

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_11]: sorta hurting, actually

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_11]: they were all sorta hurting but the Caboose worked

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_11]: really well I was feeling good

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_11]: it worked out good

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_11]: so then from there

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_11]: we had that extra 2 miles going up

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it's Fire Road

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know 56 or something like that

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_11]: another mile and a half, 2 miles

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_11]: dropped the bikes off

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_11]: hiked in 2 miles to the

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Climbers camp

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_11]: and surprisingly

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_11]: we got there very shortly

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_11]: after Dave and Liz got there

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_11]: and they were just putting their packs down

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_11]: and starting to relax

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_11]: and it was really funny Dave was poking me about it

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_11]: but the second I showed up it was

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_11]: near dusk so I was like let's go up the slide

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_11]: so at the base of

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_11]: this rock slide

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_11]: is where the Climbers camp is

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_11]: it's one of these dispersed campsites that's really cool

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_11]: up the slide

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_11]: it's maybe a tenth of a mile

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_11]: you get this killer view of the captain

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and the back side

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_11]: or the east side of the Hancox

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_11]: and then Mount Carragane as well

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_11]: it's a really neat spot it's very very condensed

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_11]: it's reminiscent of the year

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: it was as remote as remote gets in the white mountains

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah it's a really

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_11]: interesting area there's very few

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_11]: animals there were no birds chirping

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_11]: no crickets I mean it is

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_11]: a dead zone

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_11]: that's the best description of it

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_11]: we maybe heard a bird all week

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_11]: and long like maybe once or twice

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_11]: but literally no activity in there

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_11]: you do hear the running water

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: water sources pretty close by

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah we were maybe

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_11]: couple hundred feet away from Brooks

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_11]: and you can hear the water

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_11]: you just have to hike a ways to get to it

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_11]: so yeah we set up

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_11]: the tents we had four separate tents going

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Dave actually had

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_11]: his hammock set up which is really nice

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_11]: gigantic fire ring

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_11]: which is great

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_11]: so Saturday morning we woke up

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_11]: bright and early and we found

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_11]: a climbers trail that took us

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_11]: more or less to the base of the captain itself

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_11]: and then pitted out within

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_11]: say a hundred yards

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_11]: of the cliff wall itself

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_11]: and last week we did have

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_11]: a poll but from the listeners

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_11]: to tell us which way to go

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_11]: so there was three options essentially

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_11]: you can do the northwest corner

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_11]: which wraps around

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_11]: the left side of the captain and scoops around the back

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_11]: you can go up the central

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_11]: which is just southeast

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: is that where the chasm

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: section is that you have to

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: avoid

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_11]: well it's a call between the captain

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_11]: and the handcocks that would be the northwest

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_11]: the central was

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_11]: the southeast side of the cliffs

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_11]: which is basically coming right down the end of the cliff

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_11]: then there was a third option

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_11]: which would drop us back down this gully

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_11]: straight back to the campsite

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_11]: so we ended up with the first one going northwest

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_11]: and we scooped all the way around

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_11]: the backside of the captain

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_11]: it was interesting working with Dave and Liz

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_11]: because

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_11]: different styles they love their GPS

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_11]: and I'm not knocking it I think it's fantastic

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_11]: but Liz was using

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_11]: some app that was LIDAR

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_11]: so it was showing us

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_11]: the density of the vegetation

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_11]: so it could give us some hint as to where to go

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_11]: should we stay on this

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_11]: elevation and just skirt around

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_11]: do we go up

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_11]: it was really handy

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_11]: halfway up you would have loved this

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_11]: we found

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_11]: a leaky or lecky

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_11]: ski pole with a basket on it

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_11]: and then 10 feet up from there

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_11]: we found

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_11]: it was like we didn't touch it

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_11]: it was just a little unusual so it was like a

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Gore-Tex black fabric

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_11]: almost like a rain or winter jacket

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_11]: a little unusual

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_11]: for where we were

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_11]: in the middle of literally nowhere

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_11]: we marked that location

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_11]: and sent it along to the authorities

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_11]: just in case you never know if there's some

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_11]: cold case floating out there

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_11]: and all the while

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Mark is funny, he's a little green

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_11]: with the bushwackin thing

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_11]: but he's strong

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_11]: he's really hard and fast

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_11]: but I was calling him grily because he would

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_11]: just disappear and go bushwack

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_11]: in 100 yards ahead of us

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_11]: we'd be like Nami where are you

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_11]: we had a rain back in a couple of times

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_11]: back to

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_11]: the skirt around

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_11]: so we're ascending the captain

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_11]: we had a boulder overlook that looked into

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_11]: the desolation towards Nancy Pond

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Tomfield-Willie

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_11]: the backside of that

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_11]: absolutely beautiful you can see the foliage

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_11]: popping in. Thickest scrub I've probably

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_11]: experienced was on this

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_11]: back 0.1 to the

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_11]: summit register

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_11]: it was so thick it was ridiculous

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_11]: at some point

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_11]: during this little stretch I scratched

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_11]: my cornea

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_11]: and it was almost like

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_11]: a pine needle brushed along

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_11]: my head I still have a little scratch here

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_11]: and then across my upper eyebrow

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_11]: my left eye. Will you wear in your safety glasses?

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I never do

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_11]: I just don't shame. Yeah I don't even like sunglasses

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: but you need to wear them like it's

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I suppose exactly

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_04]: for what happened is why you need to wear them

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_11]: exactly yeah I'm a

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_11]: tough old coot when it comes to that

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_11]: but yeah I paid the price because

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_11]: it didn't stop bothering me until

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_11]: we got to the register we had a fun up there

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_11]: and it was starting to get red

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_11]: and then we opted to go down the center

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_11]: way back to the campsite which was

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_11]: a great decision because it got us down within

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_11]: like an hour maybe we cruised

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_11]: but the second I got back to the campsite

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_11]: the adrenaline dropped

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_11]: and all of a sudden I couldn't see it

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_11]: couldn't open my eyes and I ended up just laying

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_11]: down on my pad for six to eight hours

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_11]: so anyway yeah it was a nice night

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_11]: though after it was quite the achievement

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_11]: and just want to say congrats

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_11]: to Dave and Liz

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and Nabi it was a great crew to hike

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_11]: with really fun time and the weather

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_11]: was just phenomenal

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_11]: so good stuff

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: do you

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_04]: now that you've been gone to the captain

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_04]: like what is this part of your fourth or fifth time

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: do you feel like I remember

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: when you went the first time it was such a big deal

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was so confusing on trying to find it

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_04]: the summit and all that you feel like

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: you've got this thing down now it's pretty easy

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah the central

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_11]: route and the gully route know it cold

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_11]: but this new route the northwest corner

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_11]: is a whole different ball of axe

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_11]: not too difficult I mean it sort of funnels

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_11]: you where you need to go

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_11]: and just for that one rocky

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_11]: overlook

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_11]: as you're approaching the summit from that back side

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_11]: it's worth that route

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_11]: absolutely I remember some other people

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_11]: had gone that route

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_11]: that we know from the hiking groups

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_11]: and they had said it was easy

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't think it was that easy I thought it was pretty challenging

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Dave and Liz thought it was much easier

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_11]: than they expected

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_11]: but yeah more or less I think I'm

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_11]: pretty comfortable with the spot now

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: awesome

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: good time

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: congratulations to all of you congratulations Dave

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: you're still not getting notable hike of the week

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: congratulations nonetheless

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: speaking of notable hike of the week

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: speaking of we've got a few here

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: not a ton

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_11]: people let's see what we have here

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_11]: so if you want to tag slasher on your adventure

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_11]: to be considered for the slasher hike of the week

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_11]: do so

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_11]: and we will do our best to list your adventure

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_11]: so this week we have

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Jennifer Belkis

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Gulcazian

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_11]: apologize if I don't say that right Jennifer

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_11]: but she finished the

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_11]: New Hampshire 48 4000 footers

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_11]: on carragane with

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_11]: cheese a fondue

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_11]: congratulations

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah hoity-toity finish there it's impressive

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_11]: yes

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm amazed that she kept it fresh

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_11]: there must be a secret there

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_11]: the jakester

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_11]: climbed the eaglet with a guide

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_11]: very cool

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_11]: something I want to do

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_11]: let's see Liz Faye

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_11]: is notable here for the captain

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_11]: for Dave's finish

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Zac Camau

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_11]: hiked 9 out of

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_11]: 48 for the 4000 footers on

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Franconia Ridge tackling a couple of those

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_11]: beaks Dave Schitz

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_11]: of course tagged us for the captain

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_11]: 104 out of 104 for the New Hampshire

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_11]: highest 100

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_11]: in the woods 29 this is a monster

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_11]: he did 35 miles on the AT

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_11]: covering several peaks from

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Crocker Mountain to Saddleback

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_11]: bringing him to 63

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_11]: peaks out of the New England 67

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_11]: highest

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_11]: that's pretty awesome

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_11]: mountain ginger

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_11]: went way the hell up to Magalloway

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_11]: for the foliage and Magalloway

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_11]: for those that are curious that's on the

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_11]: New Hampshire highest 500

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe some others

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: it's on the 52 with the view as well

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_11]: oh it is okay

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_11]: couple more here so full strength coffee

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_11]: comes back to us with a Mount Mariah hike

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_11]: for the foliage

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_11]: beautiful pictures

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Mr. Conley hiked whiteface and pass

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Conley for his birthday

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_11]: so happy birthday Mr. Conley

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_11]: and then finally LB Boyd

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_11]: tackled Mount Abraham

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_11]: and Ellen in Vermont

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_11]: for the Vermont

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_11]: highest I'm not quite sure what

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_11]: that brings LB Boyd

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_11]: too but great list

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_11]: so do we have a winner this week

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_14]: let me see here

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_04]: yes Jennifer Belkis

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: she finished her 48 so we'll give her

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and she did a cool write up

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll send it to you Stomp

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_04]: it was a nice nice story

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_04]: write up where

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_04]: it's just like a summary she posted on the

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_04]: 4000 footer group and

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_04]: it's just sort of a summary of her

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_04]: adventure on Kerrigane

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: it was well written I thought we got

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_04]: a good reaction for everybody so congratulations Jennifer

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like she

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_04]: she gave us a shout out at some point

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: so I like that

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: you like shout outs

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: mountain ginger I'm a bias towards

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_04]: ginger stone because I got a redheaded kid

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I got a redheaded kid

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: but she's kind of a pain in the ass

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_04]: so but not ginger is not a pain in the ass

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: we've met her she's very nice we'll give her

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_04]: a shout out to notable hike

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and then Liz Faye amazing that

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: she would go out and do the captain incredible

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: wow yeah I mean think

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: about it the captain

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Liz yeah she did

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: her Liz Faye gets it

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_04]: absolutely amazing I can't give it a jake

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: because he's my friend so it's too

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_04]: much inside baseball but anyway congratulations

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: to everybody for the notable hikers and there was much rejoicing

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Stomp let's go into

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_04]: this segment we'll catch up

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_04]: with our friend Breeze from Valkylus

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and we'll come out on the other side so

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: all right

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_11]: be you

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_10]: it's time for

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Slasher's guest of the week

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_10]: very cool

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_10]: very cool

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Breeze welcome back welcome back

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_04]: so you are stuck with me by myself

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: the stomp is off doing

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_04]: stomp things I don't know exactly what that is

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: but you get the better half of

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: the podcast anyway

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_09]: that's great so happy to be here

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_09]: thanks for having me back on

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah it's um it's great

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: to have you join us so

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess for the listeners I think we've had you on a couple

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: times and we talk about Valkylus all the time

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_04]: but why don't you just quickly just

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of introduce yourself and then

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to talk a little bit about like some of the

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: new products that you've put together

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: you got backpacks now you've got a mesh

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: frame but we'll talk a little bit about that because I get

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: some feedback too I've been using the new

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: frame um

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: on my backpack but why don't you just start off introduce

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: yourself and a little bit about Valkylus

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_09]: my name is Breeze Sokolowski

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm the president of Valkylus

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_09]: backpack ventilation gear

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_09]: and we create

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_09]: external ultra light

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_09]: ventilation frames that you

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_09]: can attach on your favorite

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_09]: backpack mostly

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_09]: backpacks that

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_09]: either don't have a frame or

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_09]: don't have a

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_09]: some type of ventilation system so

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_09]: you can keep your favorite backpack

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_09]: attach our

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_09]: ventilation frame on it and

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_09]: you've got the best of both worlds you've got your favorite backpack

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_09]: and now you've got

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_09]: you're cruising with

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_09]: more ventilation more airflow

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_09]: on your back

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_04]: yep and you're on your second

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_04]: generation

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_04]: frame here so the

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_04]: original one I think if my recollections

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: correct so that was a 3D printed product

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: that was a little heavy I mean

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: all things were these things are super

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_04]: light no matter what which way you cut it but

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: then the first generation was a little heavier

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_04]: now the second generation

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: um is pretty much dialed in at this

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: point I think how many ounces is it right now

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_09]: right now we're running a 3.3

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_09]: ounces which is just

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I believe it's 94

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_09]: 95 grams

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's correct where we're onto our generation

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_09]: too we've been around

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_09]: for about 2 and a half years

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_09]: 3 years

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_09]: and generation 1

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_09]: was 3D printed and it weighed

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_09]: about just under a pound I think

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_09]: 15 ounces

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's when we were

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_09]: doing the beta

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_09]: product testing and we got great feedback

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_09]: you guys were included

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_09]: in that that's when I came across you guys

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_09]: and we found

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_09]: it was a great match to be collaborating

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_09]: and now we're on our

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Gen 2 which has been out

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_09]: a little over a year now

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's been very very exciting

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_09]: the responses have been great

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_09]: and we've seen tremendous growth

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_09]: as a new gear company

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and we have a lot of friends

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and listeners that have used it and I think

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_04]: my experience with

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: the second generation

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been using it for the last probably

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: mostly this summer season

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and um the changes

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: from the original one to the new one

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: so the original one had the velcro

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: um that you used to mount it

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_04]: to your backpack now you have reusable

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_04]: zip ties which I love

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_04]: those are much lighter

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and easier to maneuver

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and then it's a two piece

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: the one thing I'd say and I've got a little bit of feedback

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_04]: from friends on this is that

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: it is a because it's a light piece

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: of gear it comes in two pieces

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_04]: so you have to basically

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_04]: put those two pieces together

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: you have one when you

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_04]: install it in your backpack you want to make sure

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: your backpack is pretty flat so that

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: you can ensure that everything is connected

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_04]: because the um it's a two piece

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and they basically connect through these

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: like little like plastic

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: pieces and once

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: one row basically goes in it all lines up

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and you just basically snap it in together

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_04]: but you just need to make sure that

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: every once in a while I'll do a quality check

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_04]: to just make sure they're holding

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah the reason we

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_09]: designed it as two pieces is because

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_09]: the early feedback between the gen one

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_09]: and the gen two after the gen one

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_09]: is people wanted

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_09]: to be able to disassemble

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_09]: and take on and off the frame

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_09]: so that was that was one of the big requests

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_09]: but um fast

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_09]: forward a few months after we designed

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_09]: it and launched it the feedback

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_09]: has been well I want to just keep it

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_09]: on my backpack and I don't want to have to worry about it

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_09]: and um

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_09]: so

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_09]: the design kind of because it's

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_09]: two pieces obviously when there's

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_09]: two pieces sometimes you know

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_09]: if something isn't one

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_09]: it can kind of loosen or

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_09]: come apart so generation

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_09]: three which will knock on wood

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_09]: will be released mid to late

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_09]: next year we're looking at

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_09]: fixing that problem

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_09]: um but before it wasn't a

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_09]: problem because people wanted it to be

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_09]: separate so it's um

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_09]: it's a two piece system

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_09]: um

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_09]: that works and it's

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_09]: five times lighter than the previous version so

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_09]: um thanks to all the customer

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_09]: feedback on this

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_09]: journey that we're going on

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_09]: where um we continue

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_09]: to innovate in this space

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_09]: and create a product that um

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_09]: a lot of people like

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah I like it and I think

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: the two piece I don't really

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_04]: have that big of an issue with it

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: but generally what I'll do is

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I take everything out of my backpack

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_04]: right before

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: the night usually the night before and I just

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_04]: flatten it out and then I'll make sure

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: that all of the connecting points on the

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_04]: frame are sunk

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: in and then um I just put

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_04]: everything back in and then at that point

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: it's it holds really well so

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: um I use a

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_04]: 25 liter

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: ultimate direction fast pack right now

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and I feel like it's a perfect fit I know

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: some of my other friends that will use

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_04]: uh larger backpacks I know some

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: people that will use a little bit smaller my daughter

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_04]: um uses it as well so

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: um and the thing that I found

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: is I have stress tested this summer

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: like I've I've hiked

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: in like crazy like 90 degree humid

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the hottest day I did was like a 90

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: degree humid day where I've I hiked

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_04]: this section in the Hampshire called the bald

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: face loop and um or

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I did I didn't I ended up bailing on the loop

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: but I ended up doing self bald face and

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: um there was no there was no way

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: that I wasn't going to be like completely

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: covered in sweat but when I got above tree

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: line I was able to sort of angle

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: my um

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_04]: my back so that the wind is blowing like

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: between my

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: backpack and my back and you know

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_04]: dried out pretty quickly and

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_04]: overall I wasn't super sweaty in my back

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: no matter what so that's the biggest stress

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: test that I've had but overall like a normal

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_04]: day keeps you dry every time

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_09]: well that's that's good to hear

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_09]: thank you for that uh the feedback

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah when I'm not dealing with

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Arizona weather it's

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_09]: it's hot but there's no

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_09]: humidity so it's

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_09]: it's it's it's always a give and take

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_09]: with with a climate that you're always

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_09]: going to get something so unless you live

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_09]: in Southern California which

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_09]: tends to uh to be

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_09]: 70 most of the time um

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_09]: you know well we're not all living there but

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_09]: we all we both live in beautiful parts

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_09]: of the world yeah

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah for sure so um

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and then now you're how many years in are you

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: with the with the with the law clue scare

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: the company and and everything's at three years

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_09]: just under three years two and a half

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_09]: um I count the first

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_09]: five six months that it was uh

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of a doodle on a page

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_09]: uh part of it but uh it

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_09]: things are going quickly um I'm

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_09]: really really

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I guess looking back it's kind of like

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_09]: climbing a mountain you you need to stop

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_09]: and kind of like look over the horizon

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_09]: and you recognize wow you know I

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_09]: just climbed uh a thousand feet

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_09]: in elevation you know you don't you don't

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_09]: notice it when you're on the trail because you're kind of like

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_09]: looking just in front of you and you're

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_09]: you're just counting your your steps or just

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_09]: you know look you know

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_09]: in taking your breathing and sometimes

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_09]: when you're when you're starting a company

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_09]: definitely your company you kind of

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_09]: just keep your head down and so now yeah we've

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_09]: been two and a half years and

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_09]: things are things are moving fast and

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_09]: things are growing

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I'm curious about the

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_04]: so obviously you have to wear a lot of different

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: hats when you're in a start-up environment

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and um in this type of company obviously

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_04]: you have like your product design

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: you've got marketing you've got

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_04]: um inventory logistics

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_04]: is there any particular

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: area where you find that

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_04]: um you

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_04]: really prefer to focus on one

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_04]: particular area or do you find that

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_04]: you're able to I mean you don't really have a choice

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously but do you do you find

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that like all those different skills that

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: you need to be an entrepreneur in a

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: start-up environment have you have you

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: embraced them or have you struggled in

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_09]: certain areas are you embrace it

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_09]: the great thing I guess

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_09]: about living in America there's a lot of

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_09]: um you know entrepreneurial spirit

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_09]: and a lot of people who are passionate

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_09]: about doing something great

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_09]: and uh you know my my objective was

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_09]: to create a great product that was

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_09]: made here in the United States

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_09]: and I've been able to find

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_09]: um wonderful great people

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_09]: that have helped me work

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_09]: on the on the production

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_09]: the fabrication the manufacturing

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_09]: all of the the heavy-duty things

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_09]: that I'm not I don't really have that background

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_09]: I have an engineering background but not that

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's just really nice I don't

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_09]: know um you know I don't want to bore

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_09]: the the the audience with

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_09]: the the minutia

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_09]: of starting a gear company

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_09]: but it's it's a lot of fun but

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_09]: definitely it's it's like

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_09]: climbing a mountain it's

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_09]: some days you're really wondering

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_09]: why did I do this and just leave me

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_09]: on the mountain to die and

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_09]: you know that this

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_09]: is a great place to be but uh

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not dead yet either on a mountain

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_09]: or physically or in the

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_09]: entrepreneurial world it's

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_09]: it's a lot of fun you meet a lot of

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_09]: great people and I make it to meet a lot of

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_09]: really cool customers a lot of great

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_09]: feedback um you know

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I've got a laundry list of places

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_09]: that I need to go because I get

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_09]: pictures of people

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_09]: showing me where they're hiking with

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_09]: with the backpack frame and their backpack

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_09]: and um it's

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm amazed at how you know I already

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_09]: we already knew that America was beautiful

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_09]: but uh some of the landscapes

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_09]: and the different mountains

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_09]: and the scenery is just out of this world

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_04]: if I recall you know

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: that much about like the northeast

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and New England and New Hampshire before you stumbled upon

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: uh you know our little

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_09]: crew that's correct it's definitely

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_09]: on my on my list I'm hoping

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm hoping knock on wood

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_09]: that I come visit you guys I would really

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_09]: really love to go up

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_09]: there it just seems incredible

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_09]: all of those it's it's

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_09]: just absolutely unbelievable country where you guys are

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah this

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: is the time of the year to come to when the

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: when the leaves are changing in this foliage so I'm excited

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting up there on tomorrow night

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna get up north so we'll get you up there

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: some some day Breeze

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm looking forward to it we I will

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_09]: definitely I'm definitely looking

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_09]: forward I'm definitely

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_09]: looking forward there's a lot of great people that I like

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_09]: to meet that I've met through you guys

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_09]: uh for sure

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: awesome awesome

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: so just with the sort of the core product so

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_04]: we have the the ultra light backpack

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: ventilation frame and then you've recently

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: um also

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: um released a mesh sleeve so you can buy

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I think if you if you're not

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_04]: buying one of the if you don't have one of these already

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: then I think buying like the

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: the ventilation frame

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and the mesh sleeve together

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_04]: makes the most sense and then you can just mount them

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_04]: right to your backpack but

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: can you talk a little bit about the mesh sleeve

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah so if

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_09]: if you want

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_09]: if you're listening to this and

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_09]: you know you're interested in more

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_09]: ventilation

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_09]: the and you go on our website

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_09]: voclosagear.com

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_09]: you're gonna you're gonna see a very basic

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_09]: the ventilation frame is a very

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_09]: simple it's a piece of plastic

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_09]: it's very basic because the

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_09]: second that you put any type of mesh

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_09]: or material or fabric

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_09]: you start absorbing sweat and then it's

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_09]: counterproductive and so that was

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_09]: the initial design

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_09]: instead of the feedback was especially

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_09]: for for thinner people

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_09]: um or or

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_09]: bonier people not as much

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_09]: um I guess meat on the

[01:29:38] [SPEAKER_09]: bones but um

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_09]: they were wanting something a little bit

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_09]: more comfy and so they liked

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_09]: the frame but because it is a piece of plastic

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_09]: they were like you know if you could make this

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_09]: a bit more comfortable and so we

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_09]: introduced the mesh sleeve

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_09]: and I was I believe we introduced it in

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_09]: May of this year so it really only

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_09]: um so June July August

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_09]: September so just

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_09]: just over four months and I've been

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_09]: shocked at how many

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_09]: now everybody just buys the

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_09]: mesh sleeve because the mesh sleeve

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_09]: there's two sides to it there is a

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_09]: pocket mesh and there's a 3d mesh

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_09]: side um so you can you can

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of pick and choose with what type of

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_09]: ventilation and what type of comfort

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_09]: that you need and so it's it's like a sock

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_09]: you put it on and

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I use it all the time now I used

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_09]: to be you know I thought it was something

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_09]: that for customers I didn't

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_09]: need it but now it's uh once I got

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_09]: the mesh sleeve and I went out for

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_09]: um I think it was a 28

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_09]: mile hike this past weekend

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_09]: with my 55 liter backpack

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_09]: on and I had my frame

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and I had the mesh sleeve and it's

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_09]: just a match made in heaven um

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_09]: it's super comfortable I was packing probably

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_09]: a little over 30 pounds and

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_09]: the mesh sleeve was providing

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_09]: that additional support

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_09]: between me and the frame and I

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_09]: well I was up um I think we were

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_09]: almost at 8000 feet in elevation

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Arizona gets really really high up

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_09]: um the further you go north

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_09]: and I could just feel the breeze

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_09]: on my back and so um

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_09]: hopefully um you know if you're listening

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_09]: to this check out check out our website

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's really really helpful and

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_09]: helpful in colder weather I'm finding that was one of the

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_09]: the things that I learned with you guys is that

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_09]: um back sweat

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_09]: and cold weather don't really work together

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah winter hiking you have to

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_04]: um make sure that you manage

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_04]: your um sweat so that you

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: don't get you know you can overheat

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and then uh get cold really quick

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: once you stop moving so it is a heat management

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_04]: thing so that's interesting so I'll

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_04]: definitely gonna check out this mesh sleeve

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: as well I would I would

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_04]: suspect that the mesh sleeve would probably

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_04]: also help a little bit with the larger

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_04]: backpacks as well when you're mounting it up there

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: but I've never had any issues with comfort

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that even the plastic

[01:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: directly on my back I've never really

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even ever notice it honestly

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_04]: so and then so the next thing too that's

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting here is since

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_04]: you last met with us

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_04]: uh volkluse has

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_04]: released three new

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_04]: actual backpacks now

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_04]: all the backpacks have a

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: integrated um

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: pocket for the

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: um for the the frame

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: as well but these are

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Dyneema ultralight so these are

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_04]: like right up there with the big boys I don't know if you want me to name any of those competitors

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_04]: you can name them if you want to name them everybody

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: you're like hyperlight gear is the one that

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_04]: like I think most of the people in New England like a lot of them

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_04]: use it these are the same

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_04]: material um

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: but then you have three

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_04]: backpacks you've got a 55 liter which would be the overnight

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you've got a 38 liter which

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_04]: you could do as an ultralight overnight or

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_04]: a winter pack and then

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_04]: you've got the 25 liter day pack that

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: you could use for day hiking and then you could

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: probably work that out in winter as well up here

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_04]: in New England so um and these are like the

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_04]: the best quality material

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_04]: for Dyneema that's ultralight

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_04]: uh waterproof this is

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: anybody that you see that's out there doing

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: through hiking they're using this material

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: in their backpacks so um

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_04]: these are not comparable

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_04]: to like the Osprey, Gregory

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Dutters that you'll see in REI these are like

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: the ultralight high

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: end stuff but they're priced a little bit more

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_04]: competitively than some of the other

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: um competitors but why don't you give us a little

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: bit of background on how did you come up

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_04]: with the idea to do this what made you choose

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_04]: this material and then some highlights

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_04]: of the backpacks well

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I the my frame

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_09]: is most popular with the with the ultralight

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_09]: community and so

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_09]: I was in the local area

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I found a company that makes

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_09]: ultralight backpacks

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_09]: we started

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_09]: collaborating together because

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_09]: he makes his backpacks here

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_09]: in the United States and so

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_09]: obviously he's a user he loves

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_09]: the backpack

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_09]: he designed

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_09]: an ultralight backpack

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_09]: that I think is very very innovative it has

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_09]: not just

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_09]: side pockets it has two side

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_09]: pockets so it has not just your

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_09]: typical side pocket where you can put

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_09]: your water bottle but it has

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_09]: these massive side pockets

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_09]: to where you can put your water

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_09]: bottles but it also has

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_09]: a little kind of smaller but

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I wouldn't call them small

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_09]: other pockets

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_09]: to put your snacks

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_09]: or put your phone or put your GPS

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_09]: or put anything

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_09]: because what I find interesting

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_09]: is that if you

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_09]: have a belt or you have a hip belt

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_09]: you know you don't really need

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_09]: a

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_09]: pocket on the hip belt because it's just

[01:34:35] [SPEAKER_09]: too small anyway so it's like

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_09]: you can probably put one or two things in the hip belt

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_09]: but having pockets

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_09]: on the side are very

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_09]: helpful so there's

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_09]: two side pockets on each side so there's four

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_09]: it's made out of Dyneema

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_09]: it's made in the United States

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_09]: as opposed to

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_09]: some of the big boys

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_09]: I think the only other

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_09]: ultralight backpack

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_09]: company that fabricates

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_09]: the United States is Z-Packs

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_09]: and so we're comparable to them

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_09]: in weight

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_09]: actually

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_09]: well they're really

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_09]: they're the

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_09]: lightest of the light

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_09]: they float

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_09]: almost how light they are

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_09]: but we're comparable in price

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_09]: our design

[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_09]: is a little bit different

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_09]: they don't use

[01:35:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't believe

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Dyneema they use ultra 100x

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not an expert

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_09]: in...

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know the exact difference between those two

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_09]: but they

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_09]: it definitely doesn't have a frame

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_09]: some of their backpack

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_09]: or they have a curved frame

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I've used one of their

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_09]: don't get me wrong everybody makes great backpacks

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_09]: so it's not to say

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_09]: that their backpack

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_09]: isn't good but what I found

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_09]: is that if you're looking for

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's kind of the challenge with ultralight

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_09]: backpacks

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_09]: is one of the things that they take out

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_09]: is the frame because the frame tends to be

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_09]: the heaviest part

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_09]: and so what we've done is created a line of backpacks

[01:36:11] [SPEAKER_09]: ultralight backpacks

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_09]: using Dyneema made in the United States

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_09]: that has

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_09]: really big pockets

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_09]: five in total so you got your

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_09]: back pocket as well

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_09]: so it's made in the USA

[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Dyneema very light

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_09]: and then it has an external frame

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_09]: which makes

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_09]: the weight

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_09]: comparable

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_09]: or even less than

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_09]: some of the other guys

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_09]: like if you mention

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_09]: a lot of people buy Hyperlight or Durstin

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_09]: or Gossamer

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_09]: they all make ultralight backpacks but the challenge is

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_09]: they don't have a frame

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_09]: so we have a ventilation frame

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_09]: that obviously provides support

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_09]: for your backpack

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_09]: and we also have

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_09]: when we just released a load bearing

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_09]: an external load bearing backpack

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_09]: 55 liter

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_09]: so it has an external

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_09]: carbon fiber frame

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_09]: and it has

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_09]: the ventilation frame as well

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_09]: so you're

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know of any other backpack

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_09]: especially Dyneema

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_09]: that is super

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_09]: super light

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to go to the page

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it's 34 ounces on the specs

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I think

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the Z-packs and the Hyperlights I think

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: are somewhere around 31 ounces

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: or 32 ounces something like that

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: so it's almost exactly the same

[01:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: but you have an external

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_04]: external frame on there

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: which is interesting that it will keep it

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's carbon fiber

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_04]: external frame

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm very curious to check this one out

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_04]: to see what the difference is in comfort

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: between the frameless backpacks

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_04]: that Z-packs and Hyperlight offer

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah I mean

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_09]: the challenge is with a

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_09]: large backpack

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_09]: like a 55 liter

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_09]: you've got so much stuff in it

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_09]: it can kind of get annoying

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_09]: on the back

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_09]: now to each their own some people

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_09]: they don't mind it

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_09]: but if you've got your

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_09]: your bare canister in there

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_09]: or if you've got a few other things

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_09]: that might be kind of pushing on your back

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_09]: it's nice to have

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_09]: something that's flat

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_09]: on your back and that's what

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_09]: the ventilation frame does

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and I think it looks like

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_04]: you've got some these big pockets

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_04]: definitely work out and it looks like

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_04]: you can do some trickery

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_04]: with mounting different things

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_04]: matter of fact those pockets are big enough

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_04]: for a winter hike you could put

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: actually you could put the

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_04]: snowshoes into those pockets as well

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: so a lot of options there

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_04]: in addition to the 55 liter

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_04]: is the big one then you get a 38 liter

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and then a 25 liter

[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_04]: so the 25 liter

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_04]: would be interesting for

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_04]: day hiking here in

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_04]: the whites you could certainly

[01:38:55] [SPEAKER_04]: use this and it's super light

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_04]: probably comparable to the

[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_04]: ultimate direction pack that

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of us use here but this is

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_04]: waterproof and

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_04]: probably both the same weight it looks like

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_04]: can you what was your

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: thought around the sizing

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_04]: for the other two backpacks

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_09]: it those seem to

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_09]: be what most people

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_09]: are using they're either using

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_09]: a either a 25

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_09]: liter day pack a 38 liter

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_09]: if they're they're going for

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_09]: extended amount of time

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_09]: during the day or

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I've seen some overnighters use a

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_09]: 38 liter especially

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_09]: you're not bringing the 10th

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_09]: so 38 liter tends to be

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of a sweet spot between

[01:39:40] [SPEAKER_09]: you know still going light

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_09]: but packing a few more things

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and then do you have

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: these are all sold online

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_04]: do you have any plans to do any retail

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_04]: sales

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_09]: eventually eventually

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_09]: it's the

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_09]: it's

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_09]: it's one of those walk before run

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_09]: scenarios it's I'm still

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_09]: you know we're still learning

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_09]: here how to

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_09]: to kind of promote

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_09]: the the ventilation frame

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_09]: and the backpacks

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_09]: it really is I really try

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_09]: listen to my customers

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_09]: and my customers

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_09]: you know they give me a laundry list

[01:40:21] [SPEAKER_09]: of things that they like in a laundry

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_09]: list of things that they would like you know

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_09]: more of so it's just a matter

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_09]: you know dissecting that putting

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_09]: things on priority and

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_09]: so far we're very very busy with

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_09]: just having our e-commerce

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_09]: platform we

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_09]: we sell on I'm sure a lot of people

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_09]: are familiar with garage grown gear

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_09]: we're friends with them

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_09]: and we're on their platform

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_09]: we're developing a relationship

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_09]: you could say with a backpacking light

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_09]: and then we've got

[01:40:51] [SPEAKER_09]: we're starting to get pretty big in Japan

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_09]: and South Korea so I've got

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_09]: the people also

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_09]: doing some bulk

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_09]: orders with those so we're happy

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_09]: with that with the e-commerce

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_09]: way you know

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_09]: every year people seem to be spending

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_09]: more and more time and doing more

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_09]: more of their sales on e-commerce

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_09]: and so we're

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_09]: we're happy with that

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: so here's my vision

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_04]: so I see a

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_04]: retail store for volclus

[01:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: in downtown Sedona

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_04]: nice storefront there nice cheap

[01:41:25] [SPEAKER_04]: rental property I thought you were

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_09]: gonna say up in the white mountain somewhere

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_04]: well I could do that that'll be next

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: but I know that you're in Arizona so

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I know you're gonna move but

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah that was my vision is like a nice

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_04]: storefront in Sedona

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_09]: it would be nice it's

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_09]: again it's one of those walk

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_09]: walk before you run

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_09]: really I'm having a lot of fun

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_09]: meeting a lot of gear companies

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_09]: but I'm also learning

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_09]: it's a bit

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_09]: scary because

[01:41:55] [SPEAKER_09]: there's a lot of people out there

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_09]: that love sewing

[01:41:58] [SPEAKER_09]: love making gear

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_09]: it's kind of a side

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_09]: hustle or it's

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of a passion project

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_09]: but I'm learning that again

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_09]: it's like climbing a mountain and sometimes

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_09]: you're on the ledge

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_09]: of a very very

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_09]: big fall

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_09]: and so

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_09]: you have to be careful you have to

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_09]: navigate all of this stuff

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_09]: very very carefully because there's

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_09]: plenty of ways to

[01:42:26] [SPEAKER_09]: to lose a lot of money in this

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and rapid growth sometimes

[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_04]: can be just as scary as

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_04]: like not getting sales

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: because the last thing you want to do is over extend yourself

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_09]: exactly and so

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_09]: our objective is to be

[01:42:40] [SPEAKER_09]: around for the long run

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_09]: we've been

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_09]: we've been profitable for the past

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I would say 11 months

[01:42:48] [SPEAKER_09]: and so that's really good

[01:42:49] [SPEAKER_09]: and so where we

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_09]: you know voclued gear

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_09]: pays for itself

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_09]: and so that's obviously that's how

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_09]: we can just grow and expand

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's a lot of fun

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_09]: but again it's

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I can talk about the minutia

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_09]: of a gear company a whole lot

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_09]: and it's

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_09]: eventually would be nice to have

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_09]: a

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_09]: retail outlet store

[01:43:16] [SPEAKER_09]: because I think

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_09]: a lot of people are going

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_09]: more and more ultra light

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I think ultra light was more

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_09]: it was definitely more niche than

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_09]: when I joined this

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_09]: wonderful adventure

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_09]: but it seems like more and more people

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_09]: especially when I'm on the trails and I hear customers

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_09]: they tell me their stories that people

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_09]: you know are looking at their backpacks

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and like what material

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_09]: is your backpack made out of

[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_09]: and what's that weird frame thing that you have on

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_09]: and I think ultra light

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_09]: is becoming more and more mainstream

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_09]: to the point of

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I think the original definition of ultra light

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_09]: was you know packing a load that's less than

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_09]: 10 pounds but now I think

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_09]: the definition is you know just having a very

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_09]: very light backpack

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_09]: and you know having really cool gear inside

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_09]: of it that doesn't weigh a lot

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I get

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_04]: people so I'll take my backpack

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_04]: off when I'm on the summit

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_04]: or I'm taking a break and

[01:44:11] [SPEAKER_04]: many times I've gotten questions from people

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_04]: like what is that

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_04]: what kind of back... a lot of people just assume

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_04]: that it's integrated into the backpack

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_04]: that I have

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_04]: like one guy even said he's like hey I have

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the same backpack but I don't have that thing

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_04]: like what is that and I had to explain

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_04]: to them like oh it's an external

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_04]: frame that you can buy

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_04]: separately so it's a bit of a

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_04]: conversation starter because not

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_04]: people don't see them all the time so they're kind of curious

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_04]: what is it?

[01:44:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah one of the objectives was

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_09]: you know people already have

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_09]: a backpack and so

[01:44:45] [SPEAKER_09]: that's why I started the gear

[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_09]: company not making backpacks because I knew

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_09]: that I could never make

[01:44:51] [SPEAKER_09]: you know there's

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_09]: hundreds of different

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_09]: types of backpacks for different types of activities

[01:44:57] [SPEAKER_09]: and I knew

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_09]: that I couldn't really compete in the backpacking

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_09]: space because it's just

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_09]: it's very complicated and it's very expensive

[01:45:05] [SPEAKER_09]: so we

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_09]: started out just doing the

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_09]: backpack frame as an accessory

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_09]: so if you already have a great backpack

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_09]: and you don't want to

[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_09]: you know put it back

[01:45:17] [SPEAKER_09]: in the closet and think that you have to buy

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_09]: a new backpack and try

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_09]: and figure out which one has the pockets that I like

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_09]: and which one has the interior

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_09]: that I like you know you don't

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_09]: have to go off and buy a new backpack you just

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_09]: upgrade the ventilation system

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_09]: by buying this external

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_09]: ventilation frame.

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I know I'm excited

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and uh, priest I got no

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not that I don't have the money anymore. I got no room

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_04]: for these backpacks in my basement

[01:45:43] [SPEAKER_04]: anymore but I got to buy some for my

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_04]: daughter, my daughter's boyfriend for Christmas

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_04]: so if I'm getting

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_04]: ready to gear up for shopping how can I buy

[01:45:51] [SPEAKER_04]: some of your products? Yes so

[01:45:53] [SPEAKER_09]: visit vocluesegear.com

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_09]: or you can just google

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_09]: backpack ventilation frame, backpack

[01:45:59] [SPEAKER_09]: airflow we tend to rank to the top

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_09]: or you know they

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_09]: on the podcast and my link is

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_09]: going to be there as well or if you guys

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_09]: follow Slasher on

[01:46:09] [SPEAKER_09]: on Instagram

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_09]: you can find me also on Instagram

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_09]: and we're running

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_09]: a you know

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_09]: great deals right now

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_09]: we've got some big discounts

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_09]: for the frame

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_09]: and the sleeve and what tends to happen

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_09]: because of the feedback that we've

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_09]: gotten is that most

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_09]: people who buy the frame have

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_09]: more than you alluded to it

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_09]: you have more than one definitely

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_09]: backpack probably five maybe

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_09]: ten and so you know the feedback

[01:46:39] [SPEAKER_09]: used to be you know we want to be able

[01:46:41] [SPEAKER_09]: to take this frame off and be able to put

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_09]: another backpack and now nobody does

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_09]: that and so we found customers

[01:46:47] [SPEAKER_09]: buy they tend not to buy

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_09]: one they buy two or they buy four

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_09]: and so we have

[01:46:52] [SPEAKER_09]: some very good discounts

[01:46:55] [SPEAKER_09]: for if you're buying

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_09]: two three or four frames

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_09]: and so the the

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_09]: if you're listening to this now more than likely

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_09]: the deals are

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_09]: on the website as we speak

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: awesome yeah yeah

[01:47:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and the pricing for the backpacks too

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_04]: is pretty competitive like you compare

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_04]: it to Z-Packs and the other

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_04]: ultralights you'll see the

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_04]: pricing is definitely

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_04]: competitive so

[01:47:20] [SPEAKER_04]: get out there check it out

[01:47:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and Christmas is coming for listeners so

[01:47:24] [SPEAKER_09]: yes it

[01:47:26] [SPEAKER_09]: go get some gear it's

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_09]: the price again they're made in

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_09]: the USA there's definitely a warranty

[01:47:32] [SPEAKER_09]: on them as well but if

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_09]: you're looking for a high quality

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_09]: backpack that is light

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_09]: and

[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_09]: that's going to elevate probably

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_09]: you're looking for that light

[01:47:44] [SPEAKER_09]: light and very sturdy

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_09]: backpacks I would

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_09]: highly recommend checking this out

[01:47:50] [SPEAKER_09]: I've put on the website also some tables

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_09]: that can kind of compare

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_09]: and contrast our backpack

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_09]: and how it compares to the other guys

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_09]: so you can kind of get a sense of

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_09]: well maybe supporting

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_09]: this made in USA

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_09]: made in Arizona backpack company

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_09]: would be

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_09]: something I'm interested in

[01:48:10] [SPEAKER_04]: awesome well

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I think last time you were on Breece

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I had asked the question who was your favorite

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: podcast co-host Mike or

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Stomp and at the time

[01:48:19] [SPEAKER_04]: you weren't able to answer because we were both

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: there but now

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_09]: it's you

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah of course

[01:48:26] [SPEAKER_04]: of course so we'll just keep it between me and you

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah well we'll keep it

[01:48:30] [SPEAKER_09]: me and you

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yes Stomp will never know

[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_02]: but anything else

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: you want to cover Breece before

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_02]: we let you get back to the beautiful Arizona

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_09]: weather just a big

[01:48:42] [SPEAKER_09]: thanks to you guys

[01:48:44] [SPEAKER_09]: I get customers

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_09]: emailing me because I always ask

[01:48:47] [SPEAKER_09]: where do you hear from us and

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_09]: every time it's a slasher or a fan

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_09]: they let me know

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_09]: and they say that they love you guys

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_09]: they love the podcast

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_09]: and that they were happy to find us

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_09]: so I'm really appreciative of everything

[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_09]: that you guys do to

[01:49:02] [SPEAKER_09]: to get the word out but also that

[01:49:04] [SPEAKER_09]: you guys make a great podcast

[01:49:06] [SPEAKER_09]: that people are listening

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_09]: and they really really do enjoy it

[01:49:10] [SPEAKER_09]: and I listen as well and to give

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Stomp some credit I do like

[01:49:14] [SPEAKER_09]: his music his DJ

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_09]: or his mixing

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_09]: yes

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I would recommend that for anybody

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_09]: who has some

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_09]: serious elevation on their next hike

[01:49:25] [SPEAKER_09]: if you want to just find something

[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_09]: that will just get you through

[01:49:28] [SPEAKER_09]: a few hundred

[01:49:30] [SPEAKER_09]: even yeah a few hundred feet

[01:49:32] [SPEAKER_09]: of elevation just

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_09]: just putting your ear your headphones

[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_09]: and listen to Stomp

[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah I gotta give

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_04]: him credit for that I can't

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_04]: knock his

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_04]: his DJ skill

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_04]: so that's great but

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Breeze thank you so much for joining us

[01:49:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and here's for everyone

[01:49:51] [SPEAKER_04]: to sweating less right

[01:49:53] [SPEAKER_09]: feel the breeze sweat less

[01:49:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that's right

[01:50:04] [SPEAKER_04]: alright Stomp I feel

[01:50:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel less sweaty already

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_11]: yes hey nice rhyme

[01:50:08] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah Bryce is a great guy

[01:50:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm really proud to have

[01:50:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Val Clous as a sponsor

[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_11]: for the podcast they've been with us for

[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_11]: a couple years now

[01:50:18] [SPEAKER_11]: and people love the product

[01:50:20] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm still waiting for a 65

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_11]: liter

[01:50:25] [SPEAKER_11]: plus the big one

[01:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: we'll cover it

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_04]: but speaking of

[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: sweat Stomp I wanted to

[01:50:33] [SPEAKER_04]: just do a quick segment on winter hiking

[01:50:35] [SPEAKER_04]: nice it's getting to be that time of the year

[01:50:38] [SPEAKER_04]: so I think if you

[01:50:39] [SPEAKER_04]: if you really want to do

[01:50:41] [SPEAKER_04]: a deep deep dive

[01:50:42] [SPEAKER_04]: on winter hiking

[01:50:44] [SPEAKER_04]: we had

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: our friend Karen and our friend

[01:50:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Rebecca on for

[01:50:51] [SPEAKER_04]: episodes 32

[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_04]: and 33

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and then we did another recap

[01:50:56] [SPEAKER_04]: we do this like every year

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we did another recap

[01:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: somewhere

[01:51:05] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I think that's it

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_04]: so episodes 32 and 33

[01:51:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[01:51:11] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe episode

[01:51:12] [SPEAKER_04]: 122 I can't remember but

[01:51:13] [SPEAKER_04]: those two are the ones

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_04]: that you really want to focus on

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_04]: people every year they

[01:51:19] [SPEAKER_04]: have questions I want to do winter hiking

[01:51:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know where to start

[01:51:22] [SPEAKER_04]: so a couple of basic stomping

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_04]: you can jump in at any time on this

[01:51:26] [SPEAKER_04]: but the way I

[01:51:29] [SPEAKER_04]: caution people is that

[01:51:30] [SPEAKER_04]: you don't want to have a mindset that you're going to go fast

[01:51:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and light

[01:51:34] [SPEAKER_04]: you have a smaller margin of error

[01:51:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and solo hiking

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_04]: is definitely riskier in the winter

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_04]: water can be

[01:51:44] [SPEAKER_04]: challenging if you run out of water so you don't want to be reckless

[01:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[01:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: the way that I think we've always cautioned this is that

[01:51:50] [SPEAKER_04]: everything's harder and slower in the winter

[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_04]: although I would argue that sometimes the terrain

[01:51:54] [SPEAKER_04]: is a little bit easier to navigate because

[01:51:56] [SPEAKER_04]: you don't jump in rock to rock if there's a nice

[01:51:58] [SPEAKER_04]: smooth trail broken out

[01:52:00] [SPEAKER_11]: right? absolutely

[01:52:02] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[01:52:04] [SPEAKER_04]: but traditionally the way that

[01:52:07] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to think about

[01:52:08] [SPEAKER_04]: this is that

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_04]: you always want to pay attention to the weather

[01:52:13] [SPEAKER_04]: there are certain days where you want to

[01:52:14] [SPEAKER_04]: stay below tree line if you know that the wind

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_04]: is going to be crazy or visibility is going to be

[01:52:18] [SPEAKER_04]: an issue visibility is critical

[01:52:20] [SPEAKER_04]: in the winter so you do not want to mess around

[01:52:22] [SPEAKER_04]: above tree line if there's going to be

[01:52:24] [SPEAKER_04]: low visibility

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you also have to remember that sometimes

[01:52:28] [SPEAKER_04]: even if it's not snowing a lot

[01:52:30] [SPEAKER_04]: windblown snow can cover things up in minutes

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_04]: so you need to be able to

[01:52:34] [SPEAKER_04]: navigate so visibility is

[01:52:36] [SPEAKER_04]: critical and then you always have to have

[01:52:38] [SPEAKER_04]: multiple headlamps on you because

[01:52:40] [SPEAKER_04]: it gets dark out really

[01:52:42] [SPEAKER_04]: early in the winter time so you have

[01:52:43] [SPEAKER_04]: limited window to hike

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_04]: because typically it's getting dark out at

[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_04]: 430 or so

[01:52:50] [SPEAKER_11]: that's right, that's coming soon

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah snow so you want to do

[01:52:54] [SPEAKER_04]: logistics on the trailhead

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to cover that?

[01:52:58] [SPEAKER_11]: trailhead parking

[01:53:00] [SPEAKER_11]: they may not be plowed out

[01:53:02] [SPEAKER_11]: that is a fact

[01:53:03] [SPEAKER_11]: so make sure that

[01:53:05] [SPEAKER_11]: bring a shovel

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah that's another good point too, I have a shovel in my truck

[01:53:09] [SPEAKER_11]: just in case I get stuck in a ditch or anything

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_11]: like that but that is a possibility

[01:53:14] [SPEAKER_11]: be aware of road closures

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_11]: you may not be able to

[01:53:18] [SPEAKER_11]: access your hike

[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_11]: if they're present

[01:53:22] [SPEAKER_11]: four-wheel drive is super handy

[01:53:24] [SPEAKER_11]: I can't imagine coming up here in a storm

[01:53:26] [SPEAKER_11]: in all-wheel drive

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_11]: even or two-wheel drive

[01:53:31] [SPEAKER_11]: four-wheel drive

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_11]: is an absolute life-saver

[01:53:34] [SPEAKER_11]: quality snow rake

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_11]: do you have one of these Mike?

[01:53:38] [SPEAKER_11]: I do

[01:53:39] [SPEAKER_11]: I do not have one of these

[01:53:41] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I mean snow rake is basically

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_04]: like a piece of styrofoam

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you pull it

[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and it can clear things off just a lot easier than

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_04]: those small brushes

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah okay, alright

[01:53:54] [SPEAKER_11]: rubber mats

[01:53:55] [SPEAKER_11]: that's a handy fix sometimes you can put those rubber mats

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_11]: underneath your wheels if you're spinning

[01:54:00] [SPEAKER_11]: and you're not getting anywhere if you do get stuck

[01:54:03] [SPEAKER_11]: I've actually done that for neighbors

[01:54:04] [SPEAKER_11]: that come up from Mass to visit

[01:54:06] [SPEAKER_11]: in here in the complex

[01:54:08] [SPEAKER_11]: battery chargers, jumper cables

[01:54:10] [SPEAKER_11]: make sure that your battery's fresh

[01:54:12] [SPEAKER_11]: jumper cables are key

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I would absolutely avoid parking

[01:54:16] [SPEAKER_11]: on the side of the road because the plows

[01:54:18] [SPEAKER_11]: are out in force after storms

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and during storms that's not a great idea

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_11]: if you're able you want

[01:54:24] [SPEAKER_11]: to pull in as hard right

[01:54:25] [SPEAKER_11]: as you can

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_11]: starting early

[01:54:30] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah

[01:54:30] [SPEAKER_11]: you can start early unless you're crazy like me

[01:54:35] [SPEAKER_04]: right, right, it gets

[01:54:36] [SPEAKER_04]: it gets dark

[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_04]: very early in the afternoon so the earlier

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_04]: you start the better

[01:54:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and then always leave plans

[01:54:45] [SPEAKER_04]: with people to let them know where you're going

[01:54:47] [SPEAKER_04]: but I think like

[01:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: for winter hiking like the people that have never done it before

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the first question that we

[01:54:53] [SPEAKER_04]: typically get is

[01:54:55] [SPEAKER_04]: like traction

[01:54:56] [SPEAKER_04]: everyone seems confused about snow shoes

[01:54:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and what to do so basically

[01:55:01] [SPEAKER_04]: you've got three

[01:55:02] [SPEAKER_04]: devices that you want to think about is

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the first one is

[01:55:06] [SPEAKER_04]: snow shoes

[01:55:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I do recommend that you have to have

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: snow shoes in the winter

[01:55:12] [SPEAKER_04]: you can get away with

[01:55:13] [SPEAKER_04]: just microspikes if you're just going to stay

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_04]: down low on a

[01:55:18] [SPEAKER_04]: period where it hasn't snowed a lot

[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_04]: but generally you want to have snow shoes

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_04]: typically like a base model

[01:55:24] [SPEAKER_04]: MSR Evo

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_04]: brand snow shoes will cost

[01:55:28] [SPEAKER_04]: you like $149

[01:55:30] [SPEAKER_04]: $159

[01:55:32] [SPEAKER_04]: but you can buy use ones

[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_04]: you can get them a little bit cheaper but

[01:55:36] [SPEAKER_04]: snow shoes are one piece

[01:55:38] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to make sure you have mountaineering snow shoes

[01:55:40] [SPEAKER_04]: so typically like

[01:55:42] [SPEAKER_04]: MSR, Tubbs, TSL

[01:55:44] [SPEAKER_04]: those are the more aggressive

[01:55:47] [SPEAKER_04]: crampons

[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_04]: they've got

[01:55:49] [SPEAKER_04]: heel lifts

[01:55:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they're a little bit lighter

[01:55:53] [SPEAKER_04]: than the, there is another type

[01:55:55] [SPEAKER_04]: of snowshoe that's just like for walking

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_04]: on flat trails you'll get these plastic ones

[01:55:59] [SPEAKER_04]: from our

[01:56:01] [SPEAKER_04]: LLB and you don't want to do those you want the real

[01:56:03] [SPEAKER_04]: lightweight hiking ones

[01:56:05] [SPEAKER_11]: one comment on that

[01:56:07] [SPEAKER_11]: if there's a big storm

[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_11]: with say like a foot of fresh powder

[01:56:10] [SPEAKER_11]: and there's no foundation snow shoes are going

[01:56:13] [SPEAKER_11]: to be a nightmare so you want to have a

[01:56:15] [SPEAKER_11]: foundation of snow underneath that

[01:56:17] [SPEAKER_11]: you're going to be working on

[01:56:19] [SPEAKER_11]: I've gone up say for instance, Takamsa

[01:56:21] [SPEAKER_11]: after a fresh storm without a foundation

[01:56:23] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's an absolute nightmare

[01:56:25] [SPEAKER_11]: so even though you're in some fresh deeper snow

[01:56:27] [SPEAKER_11]: the snowshoes at times

[01:56:29] [SPEAKER_11]: may not work and those spikes may be

[01:56:31] [SPEAKER_11]: the best bet

[01:56:32] [SPEAKER_04]: got it yeah so basically you get

[01:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: snowshoes and then you have micro spikes

[01:56:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you have like more aggressive

[01:56:40] [SPEAKER_04]: mountaineering

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_04]: crampons so for me

[01:56:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I think if you're a beginning hiker

[01:56:45] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to have micro spikes and snowshoes

[01:56:48] [SPEAKER_04]: crampons

[01:56:48] [SPEAKER_04]: unless you're doing something in the presidentials

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_04]: typically you're not going to need those

[01:56:53] [SPEAKER_04]: like if you're going up the MNUSIC after it's been

[01:56:55] [SPEAKER_04]: icy or you're going to be on Mount Washington

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_04]: or the Adams or Madison

[01:56:59] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe but generally micro spikes

[01:57:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and snowshoes

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and typically with micro spikes

[01:57:05] [SPEAKER_04]: there's like different brands there's Catoolas

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_04]: which are

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_04]: they have a rubber gasket they wrap around your boots

[01:57:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and then hill sounds

[01:57:13] [SPEAKER_04]: have a variety of different

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_04]: levels and aggressive

[01:57:17] [SPEAKER_04]: levels of spikes

[01:57:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like there's some hill sounds that are like micro spikes

[01:57:21] [SPEAKER_04]: that are less aggressive

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and then there's some that are sharper

[01:57:26] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[01:57:27] [SPEAKER_04]: you can sort of pick what your preference is

[01:57:29] [SPEAKER_04]: but there's really not a big difference

[01:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and typically

[01:57:33] [SPEAKER_04]: you would use micro spikes

[01:57:35] [SPEAKER_04]: in situations where the trail is already broken out

[01:57:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[01:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: they're a little bit lighter

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_04]: so if you're easier to navigate on on snowshoes

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_04]: if there's been any

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: recent snow

[01:57:47] [SPEAKER_04]: then just sort of by etiquette you want to wear

[01:57:49] [SPEAKER_04]: snowshoes and make sure that you're cleaning up the trail

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_04]: the only time you should really wear micro spikes

[01:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: is when you're not sinking in at all

[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and the trail is pretty much like

[01:57:57] [SPEAKER_04]: packed down significantly

[01:57:59] [SPEAKER_04]: sometimes if it warms up in the afternoon

[01:58:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and you're sinking in

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to switch over to snowshoes

[01:58:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the goal is to keep the trail as clean

[01:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: as possible

[01:58:08] [SPEAKER_04]: between those two

[01:58:11] [SPEAKER_04]: you mentioned post-holing

[01:58:13] [SPEAKER_11]: the phenomena of post-holing

[01:58:16] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, yeah so people will complain about

[01:58:18] [SPEAKER_04]: post-holing so the goal with snowshoes

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_04]: is that you don't sink in

[01:58:21] [SPEAKER_04]: some people will wear micro spikes

[01:58:23] [SPEAKER_04]: or they'll wear nothing

[01:58:24] [SPEAKER_04]: we call that beer booting

[01:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and you sink into the snow

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and the problem with that is that

[01:58:31] [SPEAKER_04]: first of all you're expanding a lot of energy

[01:58:33] [SPEAKER_04]: by pulling your legs out of

[01:58:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and then it ends up happening as those holes freeze

[01:58:40] [SPEAKER_04]: they typically expand a little bit

[01:58:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and then if anybody else is coming behind you

[01:58:44] [SPEAKER_04]: if they're not in snowshoes

[01:58:46] [SPEAKER_04]: they risk getting a twisted ankle

[01:58:48] [SPEAKER_04]: or falling into a little hole

[01:58:50] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[01:58:52] [SPEAKER_04]: typically from a cultural perspective

[01:58:54] [SPEAKER_04]: in the White Mountains you want to look out for when it snows

[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_04]: typically the locals will get out

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and break trails

[01:59:00] [SPEAKER_04]: the 4000s you mentioned that

[01:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: are usually pretty well traveled

[01:59:03] [SPEAKER_04]: oh god

[01:59:05] [SPEAKER_04]: thank you locals

[01:59:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean if it snows out on a Tuesday, Wednesday

[01:59:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and you don't want to break trail

[01:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and you want a nice clean trail

[01:59:12] [SPEAKER_04]: typically if you decide you're going to hike on a Sunday

[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and it hasn't snowed then you're going to be in good shape

[01:59:15] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah

[01:59:19] [SPEAKER_04]: that's great

[01:59:19] [SPEAKER_04]: if you're nervous about hiking alone

[01:59:22] [SPEAKER_04]: or you need help learning how to do winter hiking

[01:59:24] [SPEAKER_04]: then I think I would keep an eye

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_04]: on the hiking buddies group

[01:59:28] [SPEAKER_04]: that's a good place to

[01:59:31] [SPEAKER_04]: find people

[01:59:32] [SPEAKER_04]: that are willing to go hiking with you

[01:59:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and they can teach you how to do winter hiking

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_04]: matter of fact I'll probably run another group hike

[01:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: on the buddies for winter

[01:59:39] [SPEAKER_04]: people want to join up and do a little

[01:59:42] [SPEAKER_11]: inshore to winter hiking

[01:59:44] [SPEAKER_11]: up on Mount Pierce

[01:59:45] [SPEAKER_11]: or like guide services

[01:59:47] [SPEAKER_11]: like red line guiding, Mike Charim

[01:59:50] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, red line is perfect

[01:59:52] [SPEAKER_04]: for anybody that's

[01:59:54] [SPEAKER_04]: interested in learning as well

[01:59:59] [SPEAKER_04]: typically I recommend

[02:00:00] [SPEAKER_04]: the same thing you would do with any of

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Mount Willard's a good first winter hike

[02:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Mount Pierce for 4000 footers

[02:00:06] [SPEAKER_04]: a good winter hike

[02:00:07] [SPEAKER_04]: any of the lower level like 52

[02:00:10] [SPEAKER_04]: with the views

[02:00:11] [SPEAKER_04]: if you're nervous and you want to make sure

[02:00:13] [SPEAKER_04]: that you're going to be around people

[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously go to more crowded areas

[02:00:18] [SPEAKER_04]: to hike

[02:00:19] [SPEAKER_04]: that's why I like Pierce

[02:00:21] [SPEAKER_04]: there's always people on there

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_04]: couple things about pack size

[02:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: typically I recommend that you go with a larger backpack

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: so if you're doing winter hiking

[02:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that like 40 ounces

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_04]: or 40 liters or above is better

[02:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I use a 50 liter pack

[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I know you use a 65 liter

[02:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: or whatever but you need more room

[02:00:41] [SPEAKER_11]: you do

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_11]: I prefer the larger pack just because

[02:00:44] [SPEAKER_11]: it's easier getting into the pack to find what I need

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_11]: it's less crunched

[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_11]: and consolidated

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_11]: and you can pack more

[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_11]: for just in case you find somebody on trail

[02:00:54] [SPEAKER_11]: that needs a little extra help or whatever

[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_11]: so it's good to have a bigger pack

[02:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: yep as far as water and liquids go

[02:01:03] [SPEAKER_04]: you do need an insulated

[02:01:04] [SPEAKER_04]: thermos so you use like a

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: or a Nalgene bottle

[02:01:08] [SPEAKER_04]: you can buy these insulation

[02:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: tubes that go into them

[02:01:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and typically you'll stick it inside your backpack

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_04]: so it'll stay unfroze

[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and Stomp uses like a wool sock

[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and duct tape so you can

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever you want to rig up to insulate your water is fine

[02:01:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I typically will recommend

[02:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that people carry a thermos with hot liquid in it

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: so that you have warm liquid

[02:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: when you get up to a cold area

[02:01:31] [SPEAKER_04]: also recommend

[02:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: that you bring ground insulation

[02:01:34] [SPEAKER_04]: like a closed cell sleeping

[02:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: pad

[02:01:38] [SPEAKER_04]: a z-rest typically

[02:01:40] [SPEAKER_11]: a thermo rest you'll

[02:01:42] [SPEAKER_11]: mandatory

[02:01:43] [SPEAKER_11]: absolutely mandatory

[02:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: yep mandatory because if you sit directly on the ground

[02:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: that cold

[02:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: temperature is going to

[02:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: basically bleed right into your body

[02:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: so the purpose of the ground insulation

[02:01:56] [SPEAKER_04]: is that you sit on that and then

[02:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: it will buy you 8-9 hours

[02:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: of rest time for a rescue to come in

[02:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and then depending on

[02:02:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[02:02:06] [SPEAKER_04]: temperature if it's really really cold you may even want to

[02:02:08] [SPEAKER_04]: consider bringing a sleeping bag just as a protection

[02:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: as a cautionary protection

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_04]: just to buy even more

[02:02:14] [SPEAKER_04]: time and then the goal with winter hiking

[02:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: is that you need to

[02:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: manage your heat the way that you manage your heat

[02:02:20] [SPEAKER_04]: is by continuing to move

[02:02:22] [SPEAKER_04]: so you move

[02:02:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and you take your layers off

[02:02:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and you typically can be down

[02:02:27] [SPEAKER_04]: into like a long-sleeved shirt

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_04]: or a t-shirt even in freezing cold weather

[02:02:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and then when you stop that's when you put in

[02:02:34] [SPEAKER_04]: all your remaining layers

[02:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that's why having a big backpack

[02:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: where you can grab your down jacket

[02:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: quickly and put it on to retain that heat

[02:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: is helpful

[02:02:43] [SPEAKER_11]: right and if you can't move if you've tweaked your ankle

[02:02:46] [SPEAKER_11]: and you're just sitting there that's why you need

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_11]: a sleeping bag or a bivvy

[02:02:49] [SPEAKER_11]: a small handheld bivvy

[02:02:52] [SPEAKER_11]: just to keep your body warm

[02:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and the heavy clothes

[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: as far as boots go

[02:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: you can take a look on Section Hiker

[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: or REI or any of the

[02:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: backcountry you can do some shopping around

[02:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I recommend that you go with

[02:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: 400 gram Thinsulate boots

[02:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and if you go on Section Hiker

[02:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and just the best 10 winter

[02:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: boots for men women

[02:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: you can find whatever you need there

[02:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: as far as a base layer goes we recommend

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: any mid-weight rated

[02:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: long underwear, wicking t-shirt

[02:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: long-sleeved wool shirt

[02:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I have like Nike stuff

[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I have under armor stuff

[02:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I have new balance stuff

[02:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: anything that's a wicking long-sleeve shirt

[02:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: or a t-shirt is fine

[02:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: as far as pants go

[02:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I recommend soft shell pants

[02:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: so that you

[02:03:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and again you want to assume

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that you're not going to be

[02:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: no wet or rain

[02:03:48] [SPEAKER_04]: or melting snow or anything like that

[02:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: soft shell pants will work really well for you

[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I use Marmont Scree pants

[02:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: but there's also

[02:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: a ton of other brands out there

[02:03:58] [SPEAKER_04]: so any soft shell pants will do

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: they're a little bit thicker and warmer

[02:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I use a two layer rain pant

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: from REI if I need a hard shell

[02:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm

[02:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: so what do you

[02:04:10] [SPEAKER_04]: typically wear stomp?

[02:04:12] [SPEAKER_11]: such the anomaly

[02:04:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm always wearing like an inner

[02:04:16] [SPEAKER_11]: minus 33 layer

[02:04:18] [SPEAKER_11]: and then on top of that I'll generally wear

[02:04:21] [SPEAKER_11]: anything really

[02:04:22] [SPEAKER_11]: I know I'm not the best

[02:04:24] [SPEAKER_11]: role model here but they're generally hiking

[02:04:26] [SPEAKER_11]: pants, water resistant

[02:04:28] [SPEAKER_11]: I do have like full blown

[02:04:30] [SPEAKER_11]: above a tree line

[02:04:32] [SPEAKER_11]: full Gore-Tex pants but I'm generally only

[02:04:34] [SPEAKER_11]: wearing that

[02:04:35] [SPEAKER_11]: on extreme

[02:04:38] [SPEAKER_11]: adventures where I'm going

[02:04:40] [SPEAKER_11]: above tree line in

[02:04:42] [SPEAKER_11]: sketchy weather

[02:04:42] [SPEAKER_11]: so yeah

[02:04:44] [SPEAKER_11]: the Marmont's sound great

[02:04:47] [SPEAKER_11]: REI too, layer rain pants

[02:04:49] [SPEAKER_11]: again it depends on the temps

[02:04:51] [SPEAKER_11]: and what you're experiencing for precipitation

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[02:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: for sure and then

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: as far as socks go

[02:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: darn tough smart wool whatever you want

[02:05:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I personally recommend

[02:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: that you use a thinner

[02:05:04] [SPEAKER_04]: layer like I use like a liner sock

[02:05:06] [SPEAKER_04]: or a lightweight sock and then I rely on my boots

[02:05:09] [SPEAKER_04]: insulation

[02:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I get concerned if you wear really thick socks

[02:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: or you wear like two layers of socks

[02:05:15] [SPEAKER_04]: circulation in your feet

[02:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: is critical and I would rather have like a lighter

[02:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: pair of socks and have

[02:05:20] [SPEAKER_04]: ensure that more circulation is going

[02:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and then when I'm moving

[02:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm generating heat that warm blood flows

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: into my feet no problem keeps my feet nice

[02:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and warm so I don't have any issues

[02:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: the only time I get nervous about thicker socks

[02:05:33] [SPEAKER_04]: is if I'm getting below zero degrees

[02:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm gonna be exposed above tree line

[02:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: for a long period of time then I'll do something bigger

[02:05:38] [SPEAKER_04]: but if you get a nice pair of boots

[02:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: you should need super thick

[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: socks you should just go with the thinner

[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: ones give yourself a little bit of room to circulate

[02:05:47] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah the socks are

[02:05:48] [SPEAKER_11]: intimately tied to the boots

[02:05:50] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean it's if you're not sure what you're getting

[02:05:53] [SPEAKER_11]: for a boot go to a store

[02:05:54] [SPEAKER_11]: to have somebody that knows what they're doing

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_11]: fit you for the right boot because again

[02:05:58] [SPEAKER_11]: space is important in a boot

[02:06:00] [SPEAKER_11]: for circulation and heat if they're tight

[02:06:02] [SPEAKER_11]: you're gonna be miserable

[02:06:04] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah and you're feeding on an expanding

[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: contract to in those boots so you need to make

[02:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: sure you have a little bit of room to allow for that

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah

[02:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: another piece of gear that's important is a

[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_04]: gator so these gators of what this is

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_04]: is a it's typically nylon or Gore-Tex material

[02:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: it's like a it's it wraps

[02:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: or it's a piece of material that wraps around

[02:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: the the shin just below your knee

[02:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and it'll usually has like a

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: piece of like

[02:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: material that goes underneath your boot

[02:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and then it zips up my I have

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a go outdoor resort

[02:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: research

[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Crocs which are a Gore-Tex brand and it

[02:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: basically velcros up and what the gator does is

[02:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: it protects your feet from letting

[02:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: snow get into the top of your boot by

[02:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: covering up your your boots

[02:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: up to your kneecap or so so you can go into

[02:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: really deep snow without worrying about

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: snow falling in and you know

[02:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: wetting your feet up right yeah

[02:07:04] [SPEAKER_11]: I generally wear those when I'm bushwacking

[02:07:07] [SPEAKER_11]: not so much on trail

[02:07:09] [SPEAKER_11]: generally I have those elastic or

[02:07:11] [SPEAKER_11]: cinch lowers for the pants that just

[02:07:14] [SPEAKER_11]: hug my boots and that tends to do the

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_11]: job I tend to find my my legs get

[02:07:19] [SPEAKER_11]: really sweaty if I wear gators so I

[02:07:21] [SPEAKER_11]: just am not a fan

[02:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: yep and then next up hats I

[02:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: recommend I typically bring two hats

[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_04]: with me I typically do like a lightweight

[02:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: hat sort of like a beanie like stomps

[02:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: wearing one right now and I like the

[02:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: kind that you can very easily roll it

[02:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: up so that your ears are not covered or

[02:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: you can roll it back down to cover your

[02:07:40] [SPEAKER_04]: ears because typically you're going to

[02:07:42] [SPEAKER_04]: generate a lot of heat and instead of

[02:07:45] [SPEAKER_04]: you fiddling around with like taking

[02:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: your hat on and taking it off if

[02:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: you just you know uncover your

[02:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: ears and then just leave it sort of

[02:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: sitting on the top of your head almost

[02:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: like a yamaka then it works out pretty

[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: well you get that cool air blowing in

[02:07:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and then if you get too cold you can

[02:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: just roll it back down alternatively

[02:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: you can also just use like a headband

[02:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: which I've done that before and

[02:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: that covers up your ears and then

[02:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: when you get too warm you can just

[02:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: roll it up and put it in like a

[02:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of like a Daniel LaRussa

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: headband type of tail oh yeah

[02:08:16] [SPEAKER_11]: that's a great yeah I tend to wear

[02:08:18] [SPEAKER_11]: one or two hats one for the descent

[02:08:21] [SPEAKER_11]: that's dry because I just

[02:08:23] [SPEAKER_11]: soak the first one on the way up

[02:08:25] [SPEAKER_11]: so I try to think in that manner

[02:08:29] [SPEAKER_04]: yep and then a glove system

[02:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: this is pretty standard typically

[02:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to use a three three layer

[02:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: system where you have a liner glove

[02:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you'll have a midweight

[02:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: mitt or

[02:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: you know I use like a

[02:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: like a sheepskin type of

[02:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: mitten and then

[02:08:47] [SPEAKER_04]: above that you want to have some heavy

[02:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: heavy-duty Gore-Tec shells

[02:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[02:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: typically you won't use all three at the same

[02:08:56] [SPEAKER_04]: time unless you're like really above tree line

[02:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: in really cold conditions but

[02:09:00] [SPEAKER_04]: again nothing too

[02:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: tight because you want to worry about circulation

[02:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: but typically you know you keep the liner gloves

[02:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: on for the majority of

[02:09:08] [SPEAKER_04]: time if your hands start getting really cold

[02:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: the best thing you can possibly do

[02:09:12] [SPEAKER_04]: is start moving you know you can

[02:09:14] [SPEAKER_04]: use like hand warmers

[02:09:16] [SPEAKER_04]: or there's electric hand warmers that you can buy

[02:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: as well that work really well but

[02:09:20] [SPEAKER_04]: typically you want to rely on your movement

[02:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: to generate heat when your hands get cold

[02:09:24] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah super important I bring

[02:09:26] [SPEAKER_11]: several pairs of thin liners

[02:09:28] [SPEAKER_11]: and redundant gloves

[02:09:30] [SPEAKER_11]: I find it's super important

[02:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I typically have like my three layers

[02:09:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I've got like two

[02:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of midweight liner gloves as

[02:09:38] [SPEAKER_04]: well because I'm thinking like if I run into someone

[02:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that doesn't have the right gloves or

[02:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: if I sweat too much then I can

[02:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: swap them out and then

[02:09:46] [SPEAKER_04]: last but not least

[02:09:47] [SPEAKER_04]: is a jacket so typically you would have

[02:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I typically

[02:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: have like a soft shell jacket and then

[02:09:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a

[02:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: down puff jacket

[02:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I've got a bunch of different

[02:09:59] [SPEAKER_04]: fleece pullovers as well

[02:10:01] [SPEAKER_04]: that I'll use but essentially

[02:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: the soft shell is great

[02:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: you can wear that just hiking

[02:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: you know you gotta worry

[02:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: about sweating of course but

[02:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: you take that off put it on as needed

[02:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and then when you stop

[02:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: moving that's when you want to put

[02:10:17] [SPEAKER_04]: on your puffed down insulated jackets

[02:10:19] [SPEAKER_04]: so you retain as much heat as you can

[02:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and typically you want to have a hood

[02:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I recommend

[02:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: something with a fill power of like 750

[02:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: or 800 minimum but

[02:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: you know you can take your pick

[02:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you always want to have a hard shell

[02:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: which is like a thick

[02:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: rain jacket that will break

[02:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: the wind in case you're above tree line

[02:10:39] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah I tend to prefer

[02:10:41] [SPEAKER_11]: just the hard shell with multiple

[02:10:43] [SPEAKER_11]: zippers like you know armpit zippers

[02:10:45] [SPEAKER_11]: that you can moderate

[02:10:47] [SPEAKER_11]: your heat, your temperature

[02:10:49] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't wear my down too often

[02:10:52] [SPEAKER_11]: to be honest with you

[02:10:53] [SPEAKER_11]: unless I'm sitting down for an extended

[02:10:55] [SPEAKER_11]: period of time but generally the

[02:10:57] [SPEAKER_11]: outer shell can handle it

[02:11:00] [SPEAKER_14]: yeah yeah I may be down

[02:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: for a new um I may be

[02:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: up for a new down jacket this year

[02:11:05] [SPEAKER_04]: down for an up, up for a down

[02:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I may be down for a new down jacket

[02:11:08] [SPEAKER_04]: so and then the

[02:11:11] [SPEAKER_04]: remaining stuff and then we'll move on to search and rescue news

[02:11:13] [SPEAKER_04]: is like a balaclava

[02:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: you definitely want something

[02:11:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I usually take two of those actually

[02:11:19] [SPEAKER_04]: just like the basically face masks

[02:11:21] [SPEAKER_04]: a neck gaiter

[02:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: you can also sometimes have

[02:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I typically don't use that but I'll just use the balaclava

[02:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and then eye protection

[02:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: you always want to have sunglasses on

[02:11:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and then if you are going above tree line

[02:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: in um

[02:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: conditions typically you know

[02:11:36] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to have goggles with you

[02:11:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and sometimes you want to have a backup here of goggles

[02:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: because if it's

[02:11:42] [SPEAKER_04]: snow or something like that like a lot of times

[02:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not unusual to freeze up your goggles

[02:11:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and then a pro tip

[02:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: that I'll tell you is that a lot of inexperience

[02:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: hikers matter of fact if you want to pin

[02:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: if you want an idea

[02:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: inexperience winter hiker

[02:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: it'll typically be a winter hiker that's

[02:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: hiking uphill with goggles on their

[02:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: forehead

[02:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and you never want to do that

[02:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: because what ends up happening is if you put

[02:12:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the sweat

[02:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: we'll start sweating into the goggles and then when you really need them

[02:12:11] [SPEAKER_04]: it'll be iced over

[02:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[02:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to make sure that you

[02:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: protect your goggles only put them on when you're ready

[02:12:19] [SPEAKER_04]: to wear them above tree line

[02:12:21] [SPEAKER_11]: good points

[02:12:22] [SPEAKER_11]: I like there are some goggles too that are super

[02:12:25] [SPEAKER_11]: deep depth you can get some that are two inches

[02:12:27] [SPEAKER_11]: so just

[02:12:28] [SPEAKER_11]: the closer they are to your face

[02:12:30] [SPEAKER_11]: the more they're going to freeze up

[02:12:32] [SPEAKER_11]: and get condensation on them

[02:12:34] [SPEAKER_11]: so they have some deep profile ones that are

[02:12:36] [SPEAKER_11]: phenomenal with heavy ventilation

[02:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I finally

[02:12:40] [SPEAKER_04]: like spent money on a good pair of goggles

[02:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and I paid off this last winter

[02:12:44] [SPEAKER_12]: so

[02:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: great

[02:12:47] [SPEAKER_04]: but like I said it's all about moving

[02:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: you just in winter hiking you have to be in

[02:12:52] [SPEAKER_04]: a different mindset like you can't

[02:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: always like

[02:12:56] [SPEAKER_04]: afford to just stop

[02:12:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and hang out like you can

[02:12:59] [SPEAKER_04]: for a while and it depends on the conditions but

[02:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: once you get below like zero degrees

[02:13:03] [SPEAKER_04]: or you've got significant wind that you're dealing with

[02:13:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and you're going to be above tree line

[02:13:07] [SPEAKER_04]: moving to generate heat is the most

[02:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: critical safety factor that you need to think about

[02:13:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and you know if you're not

[02:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: prepared to do that physically or

[02:13:15] [SPEAKER_04]: um you know you're not

[02:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: confident in it then

[02:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: um you know just stay low

[02:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: don't go above tree line avoid Franconia

[02:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: the ridge avoid the presidentials

[02:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you know there's some hikes where you can dip your head up

[02:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and say like oh I want to experience about tree line

[02:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go Ema Nusik and I'm going to go to

[02:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Lakes of the Clouds hot and then go back

[02:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: down Emo or something like that but you just

[02:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: have to

[02:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: you just have to take it slow

[02:13:38] [SPEAKER_04]: that's right good stuff

[02:14:07] [SPEAKER_04]: very good stop so

[02:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: let's move on to and we'll continue

[02:14:10] [SPEAKER_04]: to talk about winter hiking because it's coming up

[02:14:13] [SPEAKER_04]: but right now let's move on to

[02:14:14] [SPEAKER_04]: the um recent search

[02:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and rescue news all right

[02:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: all right I'm going to do this first one on

[02:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Edmunds path stop and then you can do the

[02:14:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Tamworth one sure

[02:14:25] [SPEAKER_04]: so this is on

[02:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Sunday September 29th at

[02:14:28] [SPEAKER_04]: 1215 fishing game was

[02:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: notified of an injured hiker on Edmunds path

[02:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: uh two miles

[02:14:34] [SPEAKER_04]: from the trailhead so this is a ways

[02:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: up so um

[02:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: 25 year old hiker from

[02:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Somerville mass was hiking

[02:14:42] [SPEAKER_04]: when she slipped and fell suffering

[02:14:45] [SPEAKER_04]: a lower leg injury so her hiking

[02:14:46] [SPEAKER_04]: party attempted to treat the injury and continue on

[02:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: but the hiker could not bear

[02:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: any weight so they called 911 which

[02:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: is the right call

[02:14:54] [SPEAKER_04]: while waiting for rescuers

[02:14:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the hiker was able to send with

[02:14:58] [SPEAKER_04]: assistance from her hiking companions by

[02:15:00] [SPEAKER_04]: scooting herself down the trail about a thousand

[02:15:02] [SPEAKER_04]: feet um before rescuers

[02:15:05] [SPEAKER_04]: arrived so

[02:15:06] [SPEAKER_04]: 22 volunteers from Andrews Gogan

[02:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Valley search and rescue and Pemmy

[02:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Valley search and rescue responded to the call

[02:15:13] [SPEAKER_04]: rescuers hiked up Edmunds path

[02:15:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and placed the hiker into a rescue litter

[02:15:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and carried her down so the call came in at

[02:15:18] [SPEAKER_04]: 1215

[02:15:21] [SPEAKER_04]: they got her

[02:15:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't say what time they met her on trail but

[02:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: they got her to the parking lot at 430

[02:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: she declined an ambulance

[02:15:28] [SPEAKER_04]: ride and chose to seek medical treatment by

[02:15:30] [SPEAKER_04]: having her hiking companion drive

[02:15:32] [SPEAKER_04]: her to the medical facility so good for

[02:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: them they made their way

[02:15:37] [SPEAKER_04]: down about a thousand feet um

[02:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and they probably saved the rescue team

[02:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: from having to like hike in an extra mile

[02:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: or so so they probably made it down to the

[02:15:45] [SPEAKER_04]: lower elevation and it was a relatively

[02:15:46] [SPEAKER_04]: easy carry out so good for them

[02:15:48] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah that's great a lot of people too

[02:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[02:15:52] [SPEAKER_14]: alright and on to you Stump

[02:15:54] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah so now we have uh an

[02:15:56] [SPEAKER_11]: injured hiker in Tamworth this is

[02:15:59] [SPEAKER_11]: last Sunday oh no I'm sorry last Friday

[02:16:02] [SPEAKER_11]: September 27th shortly before

[02:16:05] [SPEAKER_11]: 830 fishing game was notified

[02:16:07] [SPEAKER_11]: of a hiker who's injured on the

[02:16:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Hammond trail on Mount Shakora

[02:16:10] [SPEAKER_11]: pretty notorious trail for these

[02:16:12] [SPEAKER_11]: types of incidents this hiker

[02:16:15] [SPEAKER_11]: was hiking with three friends

[02:16:17] [SPEAKER_11]: when she injured her ankle

[02:16:18] [SPEAKER_11]: and was able to

[02:16:20] [SPEAKER_11]: continue hiking with the injury but the

[02:16:22] [SPEAKER_11]: progress was slowed and here come the

[02:16:24] [SPEAKER_11]: the lessons here that are really important

[02:16:26] [SPEAKER_11]: they called for help

[02:16:28] [SPEAKER_11]: when they realized

[02:16:30] [SPEAKER_11]: that their phone batteries are running

[02:16:32] [SPEAKER_11]: low and that their lights

[02:16:34] [SPEAKER_11]: were failing so

[02:16:36] [SPEAKER_11]: one of the two things you can do there

[02:16:38] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah I mean classic

[02:16:40] [SPEAKER_11]: so batteries are running low probably cold

[02:16:42] [SPEAKER_11]: temps maybe not um and

[02:16:44] [SPEAKER_11]: their lights were failing so that's

[02:16:46] [SPEAKER_11]: where the redundancy in the lights comes in

[02:16:48] [SPEAKER_11]: really handy so they were nearly 2.5

[02:16:50] [SPEAKER_11]: miles off on the trailhead

[02:16:52] [SPEAKER_11]: when they were forced to stop walking

[02:16:54] [SPEAKER_11]: uh fishing game officers responded

[02:16:56] [SPEAKER_11]: and just you know came up to

[02:16:58] [SPEAKER_11]: escort them out basically

[02:17:00] [SPEAKER_11]: they would they splintered her ankle

[02:17:02] [SPEAKER_11]: and they were given lights

[02:17:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and she made her way out

[02:17:05] [SPEAKER_11]: with the escort of fishing game

[02:17:07] [SPEAKER_11]: so a couple really important lessons there

[02:17:10] [SPEAKER_11]: that we just talked about recently

[02:17:12] [SPEAKER_11]: so they made it out shortly

[02:17:14] [SPEAKER_11]: after 3.30 a.m.

[02:17:17] [SPEAKER_11]: oh that's a long night

[02:17:19] [SPEAKER_11]: oh it sure is

[02:17:20] [SPEAKER_11]: but uh yeah

[02:17:22] [SPEAKER_11]: you know they'll learn the lesson

[02:17:24] [SPEAKER_11]: they'll bring the um

[02:17:27] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean did you touch upon

[02:17:29] [SPEAKER_11]: communication in that last section

[02:17:31] [SPEAKER_11]: if you're if you don't

[02:17:32] [SPEAKER_11]: have a cell phone what else can you have

[02:17:34] [SPEAKER_11]: in reach well that's it so yeah

[02:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: like he I actually didn't touch on that with winter hiking

[02:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: but yeah like you obviously

[02:17:40] [SPEAKER_04]: like an in reach Garmin

[02:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: but the thing too in winter the other thing

[02:17:44] [SPEAKER_04]: you have to factor in is that the battery

[02:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: life of the phones

[02:17:47] [SPEAKER_04]: is a problem I typically will use

[02:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: like a um a hand warmer

[02:17:52] [SPEAKER_04]: um my daughter's boyfriend

[02:17:54] [SPEAKER_04]: got me like these electric hand warmers

[02:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that are a little heavy but I love them

[02:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and they last forever so I'll like

[02:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: put it on low and just put that

[02:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: in the um

[02:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: in a pocket with my phone

[02:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and it keeps the phone nice and warm

[02:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: so you want to just kind of protect it but

[02:18:09] [SPEAKER_04]: uh yeah you have to just factor in

[02:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: that like the cold weather's going to kill your

[02:18:13] [SPEAKER_04]: your your phone

[02:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: time and right you know

[02:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: something like an in reach or a Garmin

[02:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: is going to be the the best

[02:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: option for you right

[02:18:25] [SPEAKER_04]: thanks all right stop

[02:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to um

[02:18:28] [SPEAKER_04]: go to Mount Monadnock

[02:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah let's do it

[02:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: all right so on September 29

[02:18:34] [SPEAKER_04]: 3 30 p.m. Monadnock State Park

[02:18:36] [SPEAKER_04]: staff were notified of a

[02:18:38] [SPEAKER_04]: hiker that was suffering from possible

[02:18:39] [SPEAKER_04]: life-threatening conditions so

[02:18:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the crew of the state uh the Monadnock

[02:18:44] [SPEAKER_04]: State Park employees met with

[02:18:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the hiker at 3 38 p.m.

[02:18:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and began to assess her condition

[02:18:49] [SPEAKER_04]: after speaking with her and gathering information

[02:18:51] [SPEAKER_04]: it was apparent that uh the hiker

[02:18:53] [SPEAKER_04]: was experiencing medical emergency so

[02:18:55] [SPEAKER_04]: fishing game was notified at

[02:18:58] [SPEAKER_04]: four o'clock of the situation

[02:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: which prompted a response from the nearest

[02:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: available conservation officers

[02:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: a decision was made to call

[02:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Boston Med Flight helicopter due to the

[02:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: time-sensitive nature of the hiker's condition

[02:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: by 4 30

[02:19:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Rangers had prepared a landing zone

[02:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: above tree line for the helicopter

[02:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: helicopter landed around 5 p.m.

[02:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and the hiker was quickly loaded

[02:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: inside by 5 30

[02:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: the helicopter was airborne and en route

[02:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: to Elliott Hospital in Manchester with a

[02:19:25] [SPEAKER_04]: hiker would receive further medical treatment

[02:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: so very lucky

[02:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: hiker there that they were able

[02:19:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to get to her so quickly

[02:19:34] [SPEAKER_11]: it's always so

[02:19:35] [SPEAKER_11]: challenging

[02:19:37] [SPEAKER_11]: so urgent when somebody is having a problem up

[02:19:39] [SPEAKER_11]: there well

[02:19:41] [SPEAKER_11]: hopefully we'll get an update on that at some point

[02:19:45] [SPEAKER_14]: yeah exactly

[02:19:47] [SPEAKER_13]: and I said she is there even though

[02:19:49] [SPEAKER_13]: did it even mention of who was here or she

[02:19:51] [SPEAKER_11]: very few details no age

[02:19:52] [SPEAKER_11]: of the hiker yes it's her condition

[02:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: so yeah it's okay like her so

[02:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: right yeah she was about the age

[02:19:59] [SPEAKER_04]: look good I hope she's feeling better and

[02:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: you know very lucky that they were able to

[02:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: move that quickly

[02:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: this next one is in

[02:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah you want to do this one I want to see how you

[02:20:11] [SPEAKER_11]: pronounce this oh WAPAC

[02:20:13] [SPEAKER_11]: is that what it is WAPAC

[02:20:15] [SPEAKER_11]: WAPAC I believe so

[02:20:16] [SPEAKER_11]: WAPAC yeah so this is in Greenfield

[02:20:19] [SPEAKER_11]: New Hampshire September 29

[02:20:21] [SPEAKER_11]: 3 p.m. fishing game receives

[02:20:23] [SPEAKER_11]: notification

[02:20:24] [SPEAKER_11]: of an injured hiker in Greenfield

[02:20:27] [SPEAKER_11]: the hiker was in the WAPAC

[02:20:29] [SPEAKER_11]: National Wildlife Refuge

[02:20:32] [SPEAKER_11]: the 911 caller reported

[02:20:34] [SPEAKER_11]: that a hiker who was later

[02:20:36] [SPEAKER_11]: identified as blank

[02:20:37] [SPEAKER_11]: of Merrimack, New Hampshire was hiking with her family

[02:20:39] [SPEAKER_11]: and she fell while descending

[02:20:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Caroline's trail and sustained

[02:20:43] [SPEAKER_11]: a lower leg injury

[02:20:45] [SPEAKER_11]: let's see upon

[02:20:47] [SPEAKER_11]: notification of the incident

[02:20:48] [SPEAKER_11]: personnel from Greenfield Fire Department

[02:20:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Lindenborough Fire Department

[02:20:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Peterborough Fire Department

[02:20:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Temple Fire Department

[02:20:56] [SPEAKER_11]: several others, fishing game officers

[02:20:58] [SPEAKER_11]: responded to the trailhead

[02:21:00] [SPEAKER_11]: on Mountain Road in Greenfield

[02:21:01] [SPEAKER_11]: she was approximately 2 miles up

[02:21:04] [SPEAKER_11]: after an approximate 2.5 hour

[02:21:06] [SPEAKER_11]: carryout rescue personnel

[02:21:08] [SPEAKER_11]: arrived at Mountain Road

[02:21:10] [SPEAKER_11]: so this is at 6.30 p.m.

[02:21:13] [SPEAKER_11]: where she was finally

[02:21:14] [SPEAKER_11]: evaluated and

[02:21:16] [SPEAKER_11]: taken away to Manadino Community Hospital

[02:21:21] [SPEAKER_11]: interesting stats this week huh

[02:21:23] [SPEAKER_11]: a lot of females

[02:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it's been

[02:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: steady I mean we had a couple of weeks

[02:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: where it was like really crazy but it's been

[02:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: steady like 3 or 4 a week

[02:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: consistently for the last month or 2

[02:21:34] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah this is going to skew your data though

[02:21:36] [SPEAKER_11]: with all these females slipping and falling this week

[02:21:39] [SPEAKER_14]: I guess I guess

[02:21:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know I'm going to total up everything

[02:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and I got a feeling that

[02:21:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the numbers this year

[02:21:46] [SPEAKER_04]: are going to be a little bigger than they have been

[02:21:49] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah what gives you that sense

[02:21:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know I just like

[02:21:52] [SPEAKER_04]: it seems like like I said it's been consistently

[02:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: 3 or 4 a week

[02:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: in the script so I'll have to look through and see

[02:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll probably total up the numbers

[02:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I usually wait until the end of

[02:22:02] [SPEAKER_04]: foliage once you know once we get

[02:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: into November I'll take like a night

[02:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and I just total them all up and I'll add a new

[02:22:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll add a new year to my spreadsheet

[02:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: so I'm going to play around

[02:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I have chat gpt so I can

[02:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: ask chat gpt to like

[02:22:15] [SPEAKER_04]: generate some new visuals and give me some

[02:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: ideas on the data so I'll play with that a little

[02:22:19] [SPEAKER_04]: bit this year great

[02:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah so I may actually

[02:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: for

[02:22:26] [SPEAKER_04]: the full conditions I may just

[02:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: do a PowerPoint slide

[02:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: with the updates great

[02:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: how would you do that do you have a screen

[02:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know I have to see if I can get a

[02:22:35] [SPEAKER_04]: screen if I can somehow get a screen or let me

[02:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: have to ask them if we can get like a larger screen

[02:22:39] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah let's see if any just bring our own

[02:22:41] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah or maybe listeners can bring

[02:22:43] [SPEAKER_11]: one I don't know or maybe we can

[02:22:45] [SPEAKER_13]: figure it out buy one

[02:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah we'll figure it out

[02:22:50] [SPEAKER_04]: anyway but that was episode

[02:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: 170 everybody so

[02:22:53] [SPEAKER_04]: hopefully we did well like I said

[02:22:55] [SPEAKER_04]: stop is turning 55 he's getting

[02:22:57] [SPEAKER_04]: a little bit old he's a 5 or 6

[02:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: on the scale

[02:23:01] [SPEAKER_11]: and on the adorable scale

[02:23:04] [SPEAKER_04]: he might be down to a 4 by

[02:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: next week so we'll see

[02:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: deflating fast

[02:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: yes okay

[02:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: until next time later

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[02:23:51] [SPEAKER_10]: on behalf of Mike and Stomp

[02:23:52] [SPEAKER_10]: get out there and

[02:23:54] [SPEAKER_10]: crush some mega

[02:23:57] [SPEAKER_10]: peace

[02:23:59] [SPEAKER_10]: now covered in scratches, blisters

[02:24:01] [SPEAKER_10]: and bug bites Chris Stath

[02:24:03] [SPEAKER_03]: wanted to complete his most challenging day

[02:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: height ever

[02:24:05] [SPEAKER_07]: fishing game officers say the

[02:24:07] [SPEAKER_07]: hiker from Florida activated

[02:24:09] [SPEAKER_07]: an emergency beacon yesterday morning

[02:24:12] [SPEAKER_07]: he was hiking along

[02:24:14] [SPEAKER_07]: the Appalachian Trail when the weather

[02:24:15] [SPEAKER_07]: started to get worse

[02:24:17] [SPEAKER_07]: officials say the snow was piled up

[02:24:19] [SPEAKER_07]: to 3 feet in some spots and there was a wind

[02:24:21] [SPEAKER_07]: chill of minus 1 degree

[02:24:23] [SPEAKER_14]: well there's three words to describe this race

[02:24:26] [SPEAKER_14]: do we all know what they are?

[02:24:28] [SPEAKER_08]: we're the only ones who attended James Nealand

[02:24:32] [SPEAKER_08]: New Hampshire fishing game

[02:24:33] [SPEAKER_08]: who's ended thanks for being with us today

[02:24:35] [SPEAKER_08]: thanks for having me

[02:24:37] [SPEAKER_08]: what are some of the most common mistakes

[02:24:38] [SPEAKER_08]: you see people make when they're heading out on the trails to hike here in New Hampshire?

[02:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: seems to me the most common is being

[02:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: unprepared and I think if they just simply

[02:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: visited hikesafe.com

[02:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and got a list of the ten essential items

[02:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and had those in their packs

[02:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: they probably would have no need to ever call us at all