Episode 236 – Delisted 52 With a View Peaks, Bug Season, Franconia Love Connection, Mt. Adams

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[00:00:53] Go to Mt. Washington.org or text FORECAST to 603-356-2137. Hello, listeners. Nick here with your forecast for the weekend of June 20th, 2026. Friday. Mostly in the clouds under mostly cloudy skies with a slight chance of morning rain showers becoming likely in the afternoon.

[00:01:23] Slight chance of afternoon thunderstorms. High, steady in the lower 40s. Wind, west at 60-80 mph with gusts up to 95 mph. Decreasing to 50-70 mph with gusts up to 85 mph in the afternoon. Wind chill 20-30 above. Friday night. In the clouds with a chance of rain showers, mainly after midnight. Slight chance of evening thunderstorms. Low in the mid-30s. Wind, west, shifting northwest at 60-80 mph with gusts up to 90 mph.

[00:01:53] Decreasing to 50-70 mph with gusts up to 80 mph. Wind chill falling to 15-25 above. And Saturday. In the clouds with rain showers. Slight chance of afternoon thunderstorms. High around 40. Wind, northwest at 55-75 mph with gusts up to 85 mph early. 50-70 mph with gusts up to 80 mph midday. And 45-60 mph with gusts up to 70 mph later. Wind chill 15-25 above. So the weather looking a little unsettled this weekend up high.

[00:02:23] Stay safe. Happy hiking. Go crush some peaks.

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[00:03:06] Welcome to the Sounds Like A Search And Rescue Podcast. Where we discuss all things related to hiking and search and rescue in the White Mountains of New Hampshire and beyond.

[00:03:39] Recording, Nick. Welcome to episode 236. Welcome, welcome. We've been talking about, I think we talked about this a little bit last episode, but we had attempted to record episode 235 and we got about 45 minutes worth of recording. And then my garage band, which I used to record, stopped. So we had to do 235 and at the intro of that I had said 236.

[00:04:08] So we're all messed up. But basically this episode is just me and Nick. We have no guests. And we're going to, we added some new stuff. And then we're going to recap some of the stuff we missed on the original 235. Is that right, Nick? Did I miss anything there? Nope. I think you, I think you're pretty much covered it. Yeah. We kind of, uh, I want to say bastardized it, but we sort of, we ripped out some of what we had from that episode that we thought would be interesting. And, uh, we got some new stuff. So it should be better content all around and we've got backup recording.

[00:04:37] We're in squad cast tonight. So even if one of our recording devices fail, God forbid, um, we'll have a backup cloud recording. Right. Yeah. Cause I have garage band going and then we have squad cast. So we're good to go. So I figured we'd start the show off or this episode off just talking about that weird encounter that we had on the Alzheimer's hike with the sock guy. Yeah. And also, uh, you guys did some research too, which I found impressive how quickly you and Peter seemingly like hunted this dude down though. He did give a business card, but do you want, I mean.

[00:05:07] I'll let you describe it. It's funny. Cause I didn't realize you had the business card until like later on, but so what, so what happened on our Alzheimer's? It was the, it was the one, like, I don't know what you'd call it. Like shadow on the day. Like the day was fantastic, but this was just super weird and kind of a bummer, but yeah, yeah, we had like, we had an awesome day. Weather was fantastic and all that stuff. And honestly, Nick, like, you know, we joke around about the whole like man beer and like why a woman would pick like a black bear over a man.

[00:05:34] And I, I have a hard time arguing it after seeing some of the shit that these people do on trail. You know, Mike, a hundred percent. I'm with you there. This, this creep. Like I can see how that, that happens when I wouldn't pick bear over men. So yeah. We got to do better guys. We got to do better. Anyway. So yeah, we were hiking on airline trail and this is a big group, you know, like I think that's not for everybody for sure, but we all had our Alzheimer's shirts on. And you know, when we do these hikes, Nick, it's kind of like, you know, everybody does

[00:06:02] sort of stay together, but there's a, there'll be a separation. You'll have a group that inevitably, I think we had like maybe 14 people with us and inevitably you'll have like half the group will just move along and then the other half will kind of slow down and whatnot. And then the break situation, like we all keep together mostly, but it's not like we're, there's not 14 people hiking in a row. So you do have separation. And we ran into an incident with a guy just at the point where we were getting above treeline,

[00:06:32] but it was a little chaotic under treeline because Lynn Sweezer are, you know, Lynn's been on the show a bunch, hiking buddies and, and she's very involved in Alzheimer's as well. She had left her hiking poles when she was taking pictures. So I had actually volunteered, like me and Nick had a standoff. We were both like, we'll go get them. And then Nick would like kind of pause and I was like, all right, nevermind. I'm just going to go down. So I had to drop down a couple of hundred feet to go get the hiking pole. So for me, it was just a chaotic period when this happened, but apparently

[00:07:01] as we were around 4,200 feet of elevation, almost out about to pop above treeline, this guy had come up to the end of our crew, which was in, which was like, I think my daughter and, and her boyfriend, Devin were behind Lynn. Lynn was, I think by herself. And this guy came up to her and did some weird thing where he like threw trash on the ground. Lynn was like, Hey, you drop this. And then they got into some kind of an altercation.

[00:07:27] He got very weird, gave her some weird business card and then proceeded to like run up past the rest of the group. And then like every person he stopped with or he stopped to, he stopped to talk to, to explain that like some girl he had beef with and they, you know, they, they were wearing the same shirt. So I think it was your group. Everybody was so put off with this guy because the weird thing about it is he's wearing socks, but no shoes. He was carrying like boat shoes. Yeah. Like top siders. Yeah.

[00:07:58] Just running on rocks with like muddy, wet feet. And he had beaver socks on. And he also had like giant headphones and like a Mickey, like an old school, like Disney Mickey Mouse shirt. Yeah. And it was like, he was trying to explain. Nothing else. Yeah. Nobody could understand what he was talking about. And we were like, I don't think you're having any issues with our group or whatever. And then, then there was other people coming up behind. It was a whole chaotic mess and nobody understood what was going on until Lynn got up there and Lynn was like upset.

[00:08:28] And she's like, yeah, the guy was like, understandably the guy was like harassing me and being weird. And he gave her a business card. And, um, and that was basically the end of it. We sort of were like, we'll keep an eye out for the guy. And then there was some other people I think that had said that they were, had eyes on the guy. But anyway, then we, the next day we, we finish up and we had a great day. We'll talk about the hike. Um, I started doing some Googling. One of the other guys started doing some, look, I'm a recruiter, Nick by trade. Like I do background checks for people.

[00:08:57] Like Michael, Michael's find you immediately. So I immediately get to like, there's nothing online with this. It's a business card with a business and there was nothing online with it, but, um, it had a name and you're able to go to like, you can go to the business. Database to see who registered the name and what the name of the person is. And then track to act to some guy that's originally from Connecticut. He lives in New Hampshire now. And, you know, you can find it. We found his Facebook and everything. So I don't know what his deal is.

[00:09:22] Maybe he's a slow adult or something that just didn't, um, it didn't communicate well, but it was just a weird situation. So that, that's my warning for people is yeah, yeah, there's weirdos out there. I sort of, I think I've been more dismissive about that stuff. It's like, oh, everyone's cool. But like there's idiots on the trail and you have to be prepared, I think, to push back on those people because they'll, they'll, they'll push boundaries to see if they can get a reaction out of you. Yeah. A hundred percent.

[00:09:50] I mean, I, I was saying to people, to folks in our group and stuff too, like, I feel like 99% of people you tend to encounter, uh, like hiking, like, especially if you're there on like off days and not even a weekend, like they're going to be generally enthusiastic hikers. Um, especially get up into the Northern Presby's and some of these trails that aren't, aren't easy peasy. And you're kind of hitting people that really wanted bag peaks with a lot of elevation gain. I find that you really find people who are passionate about the peaks, but there's some weirdos out there.

[00:10:17] Like you gotta be, I mean, I'll, I'll agree with you, Mike, where I don't think I've really, I've had some odd scenarios. Like I was talking to you guys about some weird situations. I've seen strange people, but never anybody that's sort of been aggressive like that. But yeah, so that was kind of, kind of wild. And it was super unfortunate that that happened. Right. And the craziest part of the story is like, we're on our, we have like a, there's like a group of like 12 of us that have a text group going and we all hike together. We've been hiking together now for years. And we're telling the story to some of the guys that weren't able to make the Alzheimer's hike and Steve eats shit.

[00:10:47] You know, you can check out his Instagram. He's the guy that posts pictures of food on, on summits. He's a good friend of ours, Steve from the Cape. And he chimes in and he's like, yeah, the, that guy, I ran into that guy a month ago on airline trail. And he did the same thing to me with the business card and the whole routine. Yeah, it's so strange. Crazy. So not the first time the guy's done it and he did it to Steve. So anyway, there's weirdos out there, people. So just be prepared.

[00:11:15] And also the other thing that pisses me off is the group is a 15 people. There's only three girls in the group and he happens to pick out one girl. Oh, a hundred percent. He just ran. I think I was somewhere in between. Cause like, I mean, me and you were kind of shuffling, I think up and down the group kind of all day. And like, he a hundred percent just went past. He didn't say shit to me. So like, I just saw this weirdo run past me in beaver socks and I'm like, he doesn't have any shoes on. I'm like, what's his deal? Yeah. And then I didn't realize it was the same guy until kind of a little bit later, but yeah.

[00:11:45] Anyway, but that's all the negativity we got for tonight, Nick. We're going to be positive moving forward. But anyway, if you see some weirdo with not wearing shoes and running around in beaver socks, trying to hand you a business card about some weird thing, then just run. Keep a trekking pole close. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't, he didn't try to get physical or anything, but just, they're out there for sure. So anyway, Nick, welcome to episode 236 again of the Sounds Like a Search and Rescue podcast.

[00:12:09] This week, we once again attempt to record a show about the delisted mountains of the 52 with a view. That was the topic. We did a whole thing on the delisted mountains of 52 with a view. We did. In the trash heap. Nothing. In the trash heap. That's right. Plus it's bug season. We've got a love connection on Franconia Ridge. I was attacked by a bird today. We're going to talk about that. What? A forest service proposal to turn the Black Pond Bushwhack into an official trail.

[00:12:37] We've had a hiker fatality on Monadnock. We've got some Randolph Mountain Club history. We've got teens in New York wandering into tunnels. These people haven't read Stephen King, Nick. No. They caused a panic. We've got a bungee jump death in Brazil, and I'll break down how not to die when you go on vacation. Plus we'll have a recap of the Slasher podcast, 48 Peaks, Alzheimer's hike. And then we'll finish up all of the details on the last episode that we screwed up recording.

[00:13:04] Plus rescues on Cannon Cliff, Cliffs and Valley Way trails. So that's it, Nick. That's what we got. So I'm Mike. And I'm Nick. Let's get started. Let's get started. And let's get started now, Nick, with a shout out to our Alzheimer's 48 Peaks crew. Sure.

[00:13:33] So use your passion for hiking and Alzheimer's. Join 400 plus hikers as they climb New Hampshire's 4,000 footers or create their own challenge to support the mission of the Alzheimer's Association. Fundraising ends August 31st. So still plenty of time to get involved. And all of those who raise $125 or more will receive the annual performance grade t-shirt. Let's turn the White Mountains purple to end alls. Visit alls.org slash 48 Peaks to learn more.

[00:13:57] So even though our hiker celebration and that date has passed, as this mentions, it goes well into the end of August. So you've got plenty of time to get out there and hike, start a new team, pick whatever journey you want to pick, get your friends involved and keep fundraising. Yeah, yeah. We're over $5,000 on our team, Nick. So let's keep it going. Maybe we can get to 6,000. Yes. Yeah. I think it helps that we have that many people as well. Right. I think a few people are crushing it. Yeah.

[00:14:25] We're a volume fundraising crew. No one's individually getting a huge amount, but we've got a big team. Yeah. And then when we are done hiking, Nick, we're always hungry and thirsty. So where do we go? Go to Reckless Brewing Company. So for those who spend their days navigating the granite peaks and unpredictable weather of the White Mountains, the trail doesn't truly end at the parking lot. It ends at Reckless Brewing Company. Located in the heart of Bethlehem, Reckless serves as the unofficial headquarters for the tired, the muddy, and the bold.

[00:14:54] It's where trail stories are swapped over a massive menu of mountain-sized meals and pints of craft beer brewed for the North Country soul. When the hike is over and the gear is stowed, Reckless is where the adventure truly settles in. Reckless Brewing Company, the finish line for every White Mountain trek. Very good, Nick. Yeah, I got to get over and get some Reckless. That's too long. I've been able to find the beer up in New Hampshire.

[00:15:20] I found there's a new liquor store in Settlers Green in North Conway that has a bunch of Reckless, but I got to get over to the main restaurant and have some food and drink. Yeah, it's been a while since I've made it there. I will say, I don't know if the northbound side has it as much. I'm usually not looking for beer when I'm headed up in the morning. But on the southbound side, 93, usually if you go in the fridge, this is like a pro tip if you're looking for Reckless.

[00:15:47] If you go in the fridge and you take a right in the fridge in there, it's usually immediately on a shelf on the left. They've got a bunch of Reckless. You're talking about the rest areas? Yeah, sorry. The Hooks at Rest area. Oh, really? I shouldn't assume everybody's just thinking I'm talking about the Hooks at Rest area. But yeah, if you go on the 93 south side and you go in the freezer in the walk-in, usually the shelf on the left has a bunch of Reckless. So I've got a couple of clouded judgments from last time I picked them up. But next time I get up, I'll have to pick up some more because I'm out and that's sad. Yeah. Also, look, I didn't look.

[00:16:16] I was on the 93 north up in Hampton, the liquor store there. And I had to get some alcohol for the summer for Mai Tais and margaritas and stuff. But I didn't look at the beer, but I'll have to look next time. So, all right, well, Nick, well, one thing I did notice on our hike this weekend was that the bugs are out in force. Can you break down your system for the listeners among how you deal with bugs for the summer? Sure. So my general strategy isn't too complicated.

[00:16:42] I pick out bug spray with Deet in it and kind of go with that. I do have a bug net that our good friend Steve also gave me in the Adirondacks in case I needed it. But in general, I don't quite use the like 100% Deet stuff, but usually I use like the off or like Repel. That's, I think, like 30% Deet. I've just gotten bitten so many times up there. And even though you got to wash it off and sort of be careful, that's what I'll usually try to do.

[00:17:08] I will say I've been using some family safe bug spray with me and the kids. It's like when we were down hiking a couple weekends ago down South Shore. And I think it's got that Picard in it or something. That actually seemed to work fairly well. I only got like one or two bites, but usually if I'm up and like the black flies are out, like especially this time of year, I feel like it's almost like the worst until you get into like August, maybe where like the deer flies are out. I don't mess around too much. What's your strategy, Mike?

[00:17:36] Well, I think, yeah, Deet for sure. I just ordered, as a matter of fact, I've had trouble. I was out, I forgot the bug spray. So I was at like different, I went to the Walgreens and Cornish and I like the pump spray. I don't like the aerosol spray. Okay. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? The difference between the pump and the aerosol. Yeah. The Repel 100 I've got is like that. It's yeah. It's just like a, I don't even know how to describe the difference. It's not, it's, it's like a squirt, squirt bottle. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Versus the aerosol.

[00:18:02] I feel like, I don't know, I'm nervous about like if you put the aerosol in the wrong position, it's going to spray all over you or something. Yes, it can. I've had that happen before where I was going to grab something on my backpack and it just like busted out a bunch of bug spray, like on a sweatshirt and my hoodie stunk like bug spray for a while. Right. Even out of the washer. With the pump stuff, it has like a plastic cover over it. And then I usually even still put that in like a Ziploc bag just, just to be safe. But I use the bends.

[00:18:30] I get like the, um, the bends a hundred percent deep. Okay. It's the orange bottle, but yeah, I haven't seen it around. So I had to order it online, unfortunately. And then I'll also use off brand, but generally I think in terms of like trying to get above tree line, try to get in a windy situation. So if you have wind, you won't have bugs. And then I think, I don't know what the rule is, but I think once you get above tree line, like 4,000 feet, like generally you're going to have wind and you're not going to have bugs.

[00:18:55] So this is the time of the year where I'm going high is, is a good way to go. Yeah, for sure. Occasionally you might end up, um, actually this is what we're going to talk about. If you're on Adams and it's not windy, it can be super buggy up there. Even Madison can be really bad too. Yeah. If you're, I've been up there a night before where it's not, and it's, it just like flies and all sorts of crap over there. Yeah. No, I've never, never noticed it up there, but, um, yeah. So, I mean, that's basically the best I can do.

[00:19:22] What's the, what's the buggiest area that you've ever experienced in the whites? Um, so the, the worst bug experience I've had and ashes ever had for that matter. We were actually doing, I think Crawford and resolution probably around this time of year. And, uh, it kind of was rainy earlier in the day and it seemed like once the rain stopped, we were around resolution and going back down to sort of that junction, um, back to, I guess, Davis path. And like, we hustled it from there out to the car. Cause the black flies were like gnarly.

[00:19:52] Like I saw the bug sprites where they were just laughing at, like it didn't seem to phase them at all. Um, and I think Ash has like an old video. Maybe I'll have to dig it up, but it's like, we got back in the car, like changed, got back in the car and the black flies were literally bouncing like off the passenger windows, like trying to get in to get to us. It was, it was crazy. Like, I feel like this time of year when the black flies come out, it's, it doesn't matter how much like stuff you need, like long sleeves and to be covered up in like a bug net. Otherwise they're going to get you. I think they just don't care to some degree, even if you've got bug spray with D in it.

[00:20:22] Yeah. Yeah. I'd say like the worst bugs I've ever experienced are definitely like at the camp in Brownfield, like, cause that's like a year between you get the pond and then you've got the Saco river. So it's a wet area already. Uh, but I would say like hiking, definitely Zeta pass. Like we did that. Oh, really? Mount height, Carter dome, and then over the middle and South Carter. Um, and like that Zeta path, pass area there was just on, that was mosquitoes, not black. It was after black fly season, but it was mosquitoes. It was like unbelievable.

[00:20:52] You could literally just put your hand out and come out with like 50 mosquitoes. It was just everywhere. And the same thing, they were like laughing at the, at the mosquitoes. So I never had issues either. Uh, maybe think we're on this path with bugs, but when, uh, we met for Peter's, uh, Kilkenny Ridge white mountain red line finish last year, the day that I was out with you guys, uh, I got some deer fly. Like I'd never really experienced deer flies before and what their bites are like. And like those things suck. They like, they hurt when they bite into it. They're awful. Yeah. I use the tape.

[00:21:20] So I have the deer fly tape that I will, um, put on my hat and those, that takes care of it. Was it like citronella or something? Is it some like sort of scent that attracts them? I don't know. I don't know. We may have to take that up to Katahdin by the way, because that, that it'll be around that time. Oh yeah. We're going to be exposed to. Yep. So keep that in mind. Oh, I'll be bringing that. I'll have some extra, um, deer fly tape. So, um, all right, Nick, nothing we'd like better as two married men to talk about love and dating, right? Yeah.

[00:21:49] They're my favorite topics. Cause we know, we really know about that. Yeah, we do. I mean, there's nothing like married guys like to give it, give advice to, uh, single guys more, right? Yes. The reason I bring this up is that there was a fun little post on, uh, the Reddit, the white mountain Reddit site of a misconnection. So, uh, this guy posted his username is I beans.

[00:22:15] I, I bean, I been as rocks 21, I guess is his name. Uh, so he said, I 30 male. So he's a, he's a single guy at 30. He must. So Ibanez is a guitar brand also. Ibanez. Yeah. He said, yeah. Okay. I'm going to get into that. So it's Ibanez. Ibanez rocks 21. Um, keep that in mind. He's a musician. So, but he's 30 and single. So that's a red flag right there. Of course you should be married off by that point. I would think so. I would think so.

[00:22:43] So, but he went out for a run on the loop this past Monday. Uh, and then he's out, he's out doing nonsense on a random Monday. So he's not working. So that's another red flag. Um, with a buddy of mine and ran past somebody late twenties female, um, running the opposite direction and they exchanged pleasantries, et cetera. Ended up in the parking lot at the same time, talking about the run, found out that we both live in Boston, both love type two fun suffering in the mountains.

[00:23:11] She's a nurse and I'm a musician. So there's the Ibanez. Um, she asked for my number, gave it to her. Haven't heard anything since then. Wondering if I may have entered my number incorrect. Dude, dude's got one job. Entered the number correctly, but he thinks he might've entered it incorrectly due to a 30 mile brain syndrome, or she just forgot, wasn't that interested in connecting on the off chance that I did enter it incorrectly. Would really like a chance to reconnect if this sounds like anybody on here.

[00:23:40] And then he put a, um, picture of Franconia for attention. And then he got like about 60 responses. And basically everyone was like, we're rooting for you. Um, but yeah, but that's it. So no, no sign of the girl. There's a couple of things here that I'm nervous about is like, he said that he thought she was late twenties. What if she's like earlier mid twenties and she sees this and thinks like, that's an asshole comment that he made. I don't know. There's some amazing comments in here though.

[00:24:09] I will say that much. I, here's my advice. And I've seen enough movies and TV shows to know this. If, if you're going to exchange, I mean, this would be my move. If you're going to exchange phone numbers with a girl, I think it's important that you take her phone, like have her open her phone. And then you put your phone. The move is, is that you have her open her phone. You put your phone number in with your name and then you send a text to yourself so that

[00:24:38] you also have her number. And that way it's, it's set. Yeah. There's no denying. I was just going to say that's, I feel like in this day and age, that's the most common thing is usually you'll be like, Oh, shoot me a text or whatever. And then you just, there's no need for two people to each have each other's numbers in an exchange. Like you just, you just need a phone and another phone and you just have one person enter a number and text it. And there you go. Right. But if you're a guy, like you want to be assertive when you first meet a girl. So you just, you'd be like, Oh, let me have the phone. You type it in for her. You know, you got, you have shit handled, Nick.

[00:25:09] Right? Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. Anyway, but that's a, that's, that's a story. But then I started looking at his comment history on Reddit. Cause I was like, well, let me see if, if anything good happened. It was really nothing. So he's still waiting. But he, he did have a cool guitar video from the top of Mount Jefferson, which I'm assuming he was using an Ibanez, but I don't understand this guitar, Nick. It's, and I've seen this before where especially synth pop bands in the eighties would have

[00:25:38] these, these types of guitars that had no tuning pins in them. So what, what is that? Uh, it's just sort of a different neck style. That's really it. It just kind of looks interesting. Cool. I actually have never messed with tune. I'm assuming the tuning pegs are actually behind the neck and you just can't see them, but it's just sort of a stylistic thing. I don't think functionally it actually ends up producing any sort of different sound. Right. Um, my first guitar was also an Ibanez.

[00:26:06] So, but, uh, they're definitely known for metal sort of shreddy guitars. I can't listen to this and also record the podcast at the same time. Right, right. But no, I think he would like it though. He, the, the music's pretty good. I don't know if he's actually playing or if he's, I'm assuming he's just pretending to play and then, um, like dubbing over it, but I'm not sure. But I mean, he looks like a tall guy. So he's got that going for him, Nick. It's not like he's a short guy and she might've been like, I'm not interested. He looks like he's maybe six feet tall, which I think is like, that's what girls look for.

[00:26:36] Apparently that's what I've been told. Usually guitarists have bigger hands. So yeah, I'm six feet tall, Nick. If I'm standing in my wallet, I didn't want, can I call it two comments that I really enjoyed in this thread particularly? Just, this is, and also I want to point out like the Reddit people give Mike so much shit for like the white mountain national forest people, but like they're the most encouraging people to this dude. Like it's amazing how well this worked out. His post worked out from. It's so wholesome here.

[00:27:04] I just like a little wholesome corner of Reddit nightmare. I had to like dig. So this, this name is also awesome, but the call hogger commented, she sounds like she has her shit together. She's definitely not on Reddit, which I thought, which I thought was just, that's a great point. That was great. And then there's someone basically that remarked that probably because he plays an Ibanez and not a Fender guitar that she just completely lost interest, which honestly, let's be real here. Like either if she's not into like Steve Vai and metal and stuff, then she probably would prefer a Fender player, but I don't know.

[00:27:34] Yeah. Someone's like, she's a nurse. There was never any hope. Someone's like, yeah, she's going to, she's going to be with the doctor soon enough. So. Also, I always enjoy, people do this on Facebook too, when they have like a random tangential post, but there'll be like picks for attention. And like he did that. And like one of the, he posted a picture of like a rock. What are the odds that this guy didn't actually meet anybody and just wants to see if like someone will come out of the woodwork and like date him? I don't know. I don't know. But he's banded. So, I mean, we stalked this guy. So his band is called Descent Theory in Boston. So they have an Instagram.

[00:28:03] So you can check it out, Nick. Maybe you can jam with the guy. Yeah. You never know. Yeah. I also have a note here that I learned that, and this is different, Nick, when I used to date back in the, I'm trying to think about when my last date was. My last date. So the last date pre-Mrs. Mike. Nothing ever. There was never anything pre-Mrs. Mike. Okay. Okay. We don't talk about that. Okay. I just wanted to clarify so I know where you're coming from. Right, right. Just the context. Okay.

[00:28:30] I'm assuming it was like June of 1995 was when I met Mrs. Mike. So that's 31 years. Yeah. A long time. Yeah. But I mean, I remember back. But anyway, my understanding is now there's a protocol. So if you go out with a girl, the way that it's supposed to work is that, and I learned this from watching TikTok, the guy obviously, a lot of these people, they meet online or whatever. So the guy arranges the date.

[00:28:58] He will pay for the date, but the girl is in charge of the post-date text message. So that's how the guy knows if he gets for round two is that after he drops her off, she's supposed to send a text message saying, I had a really good time. I'd like to see, I'd like to do it again. And if the guy doesn't get that message, then it's friend zone. That sounds fair. Yeah. I like that. So that's the system in case anyone's curious. Yeah.

[00:29:27] I have to say, when I was trying to get Ash's phone number, because I actually met her playing at a show initially, and it was probably like four or five months later, but I got her number from a friend. So it helps to have roommates that go to different colleges, as I think all the matter, because eventually in Rhode Island, everybody ends up knowing each other. So I eventually found a friend of a friend who knew her and it was a roommate. And there we go. Wait, she was a groupie for your band? Not really.

[00:29:53] She came to a show about all the bands, excuse me, with another friend. So I wouldn't say groupie, really. Were you the lead singer or were you the lead guitarist? Yeah, I was a singer and guitarist. Yes. Yeah. We were just a three piece. That's like a chick magnet. That's like a license to date, Nick. I think too, I had just cut off having long hair again. So I don't know if that factored into her decision.

[00:30:20] If she's like, oh, he's got short hair now, now I can go for this. Right, right, right. Oh no. Okay. Well, we'll have to find out more about that. But anyway, Nick, so that's Slasher Podcast, Dating and Love Connection Info, in case anybody needs to learn anything. And feel free to shoot his messages if you want more unsolicited advice. Yep. We are a hiking podcast. So anyway. All right, Nick, what is this? What is this up next here? This is nice. Is this New Hampshire stuff or is this something random?

[00:30:49] So it's New Hampshire stuff, but also applicable to probably where you live if you live anywhere near rivers. So Finishing Game has a fun little article called Why Did the Turtle Cross the Road to Get to Its Nesting Site? And many of you, I'm sure, live by ponds or rivers this time of year. I know we live by a river and I run by it like every day. And this time of year, you'll see little turtles coming out or mama turtles trying to cross the road.

[00:31:14] And it sort of goes into the protocol of if you see one, feel free to sort of pick them up and help turtles cross safely. You're not going to get like some random disease from the turtle. Just make like make sure you wash your hands when you get home. And I've helped a few times with the river over here. There's those little like, I guess just I don't think they're alligator snapping turtles. I think there's just the normal ones. They have like kind of angular heads. And I've seen it before where like the little babies, they get laid in one sort of, it's almost like a retention pond on one side of the road on someone's property.

[00:31:41] And then like I'll see like the bigger turtles going across sometimes. And I've helped the bigger turtle across in past years or at least one of them. And then like three weeks later, you'll see the little turtles. And I feel bad because you'll see a bunch of them getting smushed. But every once in a while, you get lucky. And I've found like a little one and I've helped them cross back into the river. And I feel like it makes, it gives me a really good sense of accomplishment feeling like I'm helping nature. You're a good person, Nick. But just make sure you're putting them. One thing I always think though, is like, hopefully I put them in the right way.

[00:32:10] Cause sometimes they'll be facing like not one direction or the other. So they're sort of facing, I guess, South or North on the road. So on the roadside. So hopefully when I have corrected those ones that don't have a clear direction, I've put them in sort of the right spot. How do they know where to go? I think just instinctually. They just look for water and run. Yeah. Um, one of the funnier things I've actually seen related to this too, on our local town page, which is like, if you just want to see a bunch of people ranted about nonsense, um, there were people that had a turtle that kept digging up one of their garden beds and they

[00:32:39] were like asking if there was like turtle repellent, if that was like a thing that existed. And the people were like, you can't do anything like instinctually. They just lay their eggs where they've laid their eggs forever. And you really can't stop turtles. Like they just go to it. They're kind of like zombies just heading to their, uh, their nesting grounds. And that's what they do. That's kind of cool that they know how to do that. But yeah, you know where it's the best, the best place to be a turtle is in Hawaii. I mean, they're treated like royalty there. Yeah. They got the sea turtles and stuff. Oh yeah. The sea turtles come up on the beach and like they get all, um, everything gets roped off

[00:33:09] and no one's allowed to go near them. So they have like the life of, uh, of Kings in Hawaii. Cool. Cool. Cool. So yeah, if you see a turtle, uh, and it's in the middle of the road, help it out. Yeah. Well, speaking of wildlife, Nick, I have, uh, this actually happens to me every year and I sort of forget about it. I think it may be, I've talked about it on the podcast before, but I run on this farm in Amesburg, a Woodson farm. You'll see me out there in the mornings. Um, it's beautiful farm. It's like, I don't know how many acres, but it's, it's, it's beautiful running trails.

[00:33:38] It's a public place, but, um, they have a lot of birds there. So there's a lot of bird photographers, but this time of the year, Nick, there's like a one month period where, um, you will get attacked. You get attacked by these birds. They're, they're red wing blackbirds and, uh, they're territorial birds. And, um, I run, I am the same route every time. It's my route, not their route. Um, so I'm not changing my routine just because this bird set up and wants to be difficult,

[00:34:05] but these birds are among the most territorial songbirds in North America during nesting season. Um, so this farm has tall grasses, wet meadow. It's perfect nesting habitat for them. And, uh, the, the research I did indicates that I was probably within 50 to a hundred feet of where the bird is perched. And, um, yeah, the bird, basically what happens is, as you come running, it'll come down and it goes for the highest point on your head.

[00:34:33] And yesterday it sort of swiped the top of my head. And then this morning I was ready for it. And I turned around and I did kind of like this. I'm like putting my hands up in front of me and I ran backwards. And then I guess I got out of its territory, but they'll fly over your head. They'll brush your hair. They'll call loudly. Um, and I guess this goes on for like a two to four week period. So, uh, it's pretty common, I guess, with runners. So anyway, I thought that was kind of interesting. So yeah, it's a, it's a, a red wing blackbird.

[00:35:03] So they're blackbirds, but they have like a red, reddish shoulders on them. Yeah. They're really pretty. I feel like you tend to see them, uh, well, you're pretty near the water too, where you live, but you tend to see them more in those types of environments for whatever reason. Right. Right. So anyway, just be on the lookout if you're running around, especially in the morning. So. Yeah. Stay safe out there. Stay safe. All right. Um, and then Nick, we want to give a shout out to our friends minus 33.

[00:35:27] They are, uh, clothing and, um, they sell great socks and whatnot for a base layer, anything to do with wool. Um, they are a family owned business. We've had them on the podcast before, and, uh, we're going to put this link in the show notes, but they do have this program where they will accept old Merino wool base layers from any brand. And, uh, they will recycle that and they give these packages out for search and rescue, um, team members. And, uh, there's a big program there.

[00:35:54] So we're going to put a link in the show notes, tried to do this story and give it a little bit more detail in the last episode, but it was a disaster because we couldn't figure out exactly what the protocol was. So that's, that's where I'm going to leave it, Nick. Yeah. I was going to say we, it, in, in our defense, if you read this article, it's written a little, uh, it's kind of interesting the way that the details are shared. It's almost like backwards, but yeah, we like, we really struggled. Like I was, I wish we had blooper reels from it. Cause it was just kind of interesting. Right. We were really struggling trying to read that article and explain it.

[00:36:24] We had to do some sort of reading literature test that would have been failed. Yeah. So I think the, uh, the radio gods were looking down upon us to say like, yeah, that's never getting to see the light of day. So maybe they're like, guys are having an off night. Let's just kill it, kill it here. Exactly. Um, and then moving on here. So this is some, uh, white mountain forest news. Uh, so the forest service had indicated that they are considering taking the black pond

[00:36:48] bushwhack and putting that into a, uh, an actual trail system that would connect with, um, I guess it's Lincoln brook or Franconia brook trail. And then they're going to decommission a Lincoln brook trail segment that, uh, is got some water crossings on it. So what's, what's the deal with this, Nick? Yeah. So this is a proposition. I don't see why it wouldn't actually come to fruition eventually. Um, and I want to thank listener Joe Caledosa for throwing this our way.

[00:37:17] Um, but yeah, it basically sounds like the black pond bushwhack at this point is getting so much use that they're really considering, uh, making that the route, um, and allowing it to be an official trail in the white mountain national forest, as opposed to sort of the, the Lincoln brook Franconia brook route. Um, and the idea too, is that to, to try to close it, to limit the amount of people going through there. Um, again, I got to imagine people are probably still going to use both ways. And even I, I remember back when Ash and I did it kind of in 2019 or 2018, um, it really

[00:37:46] wasn't as common to use that black pond bushwhack. And it seems like everybody pretty much uses that no matter, it used to be more of a winter thing and now it's just all season round. So, um, to me, it just seems like a pretty logical thing to do. And it's interesting to see that the trails are sort of dynamic and kind of shifting. Right. Yeah. And the, the, um, the summary of the project, I'll just read a couple of sentences here, Nick. So, uh, the black pond trail has an illegal user created bushwhack extension referred to as the black pond bushwhack. So the black pond trail is a real trail off

[00:38:15] of Lincoln woods, but then the, it continues on to the bushwhack. So the trail impact currently exists within the PEMI, uh, wilderness zone a, which is detailed in the white mountain national forest forest plan to have no trails. This impact is long gone against the desired condition of the wilderness management plan for zone a. It also creates a dual impact where Lincoln Brooks trail, Lincoln Brook trail and black pond trail lead to the same location degrading wilderness character character in this area of the PEMIGO asset wilderness.

[00:38:45] The bushwhack will be accepted into the national forest system trail network to allow for proper maintenance and trail improvements leading to improve user access, as well as meeting forest service trail sustainability goals. The bushwhack was user created due to user described safety and health, health concerns for, um, the current official access to Owl's head, a summit on the official AMC 4,000 footer list. And then they talk about how Lincoln Brook trail has two major

[00:39:13] river crossings that are often treacherous to cross and have caused numerous hikers to turn back as well as search and rescue response events due to the river crossings. The trail segments poorly aligned wet muddy and due to the difficult water crossings creates numerous user impacts to stream banks as hikers attempt to cross the brooks at different locations. So, uh, yeah, so it looks like they're gonna, they're gonna basically get rid of that section of Lincoln Brook and then extend the, the bushwhack to a real trail.

[00:39:42] Yeah. I mean, the highlight, a very real thing, basically that it is definitely more dangerous to cross it the other way, especially with a high water crossing. Um, and I didn't, wouldn't even think about that yet, but if people are going up and down the stream banks looking for a safe place to cross, you're definitely gonna end up troddening upon more, uh, brush and things like that. So makes sense. Right. Yeah. So we'll keep an eye on this one and, you know, it's probably going to be a couple, a multi-year project. Oh, yeah. I'm sure it'll take a while. Yeah. But it makes sense too, because even the bushwhack section is braided out and there's like

[00:40:11] two or three different ways that you can loop around there in the winter, it gets confusing. So it'd be good to have it designated so that people stay on the right path. Yeah, for sure. All right, Nick, and then moving on here. So there was a fatality, uh, this weekend at Manadnock. Um, so sad story here, 20 year old hiker had a medical incidents, really not a lot of details on this one, right? No, not, not too much. Um, kind of mentioned that they found the, uh, the hiker approximately

[00:40:39] three quarters of a mile from park headquarters on pool road. Um, good Samaritans came across the solo hiker called nine one one. They, uh, began CPR, but his condition sort of rapidly deteriorated. Um, conservation officers immediately responded, um, and kind of requested assistance from the local fire departments, but, um, doesn't sound like unfortunately there was much they could do, um, for the young hiker from Lancaster, Massachusetts, and definitely, uh, condolences and thoughts with the family. It's really sad. And like you said, not a ton of detail here.

[00:41:10] Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, it was a hot day. Uh, anytime a 20 year old passes like that, you think like, all right, is there some sort of underlying heart condition that, cause you hear about that sometimes like people playing basketball and they're healthy, good athletes. And all of a sudden they just have a cardiac issue or I don't know, maybe it was heat stroke cause it was pretty warm. I think it was approaching like 90 degrees that day. So who knows? Yeah, definitely. I mean, we were up further North, um, which it's, it seemed like almost past

[00:41:38] Franconia notch, which isn't unusual. It actually kind of the temperature dropped like maybe five, six degrees and it, it seemed like it was a little bit drier. Um, not quite as muggy, but it was very muggy down South in my house. It was like 75. And I think the feels like was 85 at four in the morning or something ridiculous. So it was, it was still soupy down in that Southwestern corner of New Hampshire. Um, it's probably kind of plausible that a heat related issue could have been a cause too. Yeah. Yeah. So condolences to the family and tough, tough situation for the first responders. Like it sounds like some good Samaritans had to help out. I can't imagine having to deal with

[00:42:08] that, um, scenario and like keep them, keep your head straight. And then with the, obviously the rescuers are right there at the, the park headquarters. So, um, never a good situation in need of a rescue for a medical situation, but like they were probably assuming the first responders got there very quickly. So it's just a sad story. Yeah. Unfortunate. Yeah. So we'll keep an eye on this one when we find out the cause of death, we'll, you know, we'll comment, but it's right now it's just speculation.

[00:42:35] Mm-hmm. One thing we don't have to speculate on Nick is Dave shits in the woods update on the Appalachian trail. He just sent us an update today on where he's at. So, well, how's he doing? So he's doing well. Um, we're currently working with him to try to get him on. Obviously it's, it's his plans have to stay fluid and dynamic as he's like in the AT and we want him to finish. So we'll do whatever's convenient, but hopefully we'll actually have him on soon. And he can hear from the straight from the horse's mouth as it were. Um, but here's his update for this week,

[00:43:04] Pennsylvania has been pretty uneventful. That's not many. There's not many great views as of yet, but it's been great terrain to start. They do have amazing shelters with flowers, swings, firewood games, and more. I had a rattlesnake in the middle of the trail that wouldn't move. And I had to bushwhack around yesterday. I saw my first copperhead and both rattlesnakes and copperheads are very common, especially as it gets more rocky and it's about to get very rocky. Wonderful. The weather has been insanely hot and I've had some heavy thunderstorms

[00:43:32] to deal with, but looking cooler ahead since leaving Harper's ferry, I haven't taken a day off and that's my next priority for the end of the week. I'm not going fast and my days are longer than most, but I'm getting the miles in and seeing a lot of amazing things. So he's definitely staying positive. I didn't realize copperheads and rattlesnakes both weren't, I thought they were both types of rattlesnakes, but yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure. But either way, uh, hopefully he stays away from the rattlesnakes. I know he said a picture or I think he shared one on Instagram and I was like,

[00:44:00] that's a, or he sent it to us and I was like, that's a massive snake. That is not like a Massachusetts style snake. Yeah. Yeah. That's, um, that, that's, I saw the picture of that and I was like, I wouldn't want to mess around with that. I didn't realize Pennsylvania had snakes like that, but I guess they do. Yeah. Uh, he didn't say what mileage he's at, but I'm assuming he's somewhere between 1100 and 1200 maybe. I'm not sure. Yeah. And that pencil, it's like a 250 mile section around that for Pennsylvania. So somewhere around there. Yeah. But he's chugging along.

[00:44:30] Great job, Dave. Yeah. He's chugging along, which is good. Let's dive into some White Mountains history, shall we? All right. So next up, Nick, we had, uh, we wanted to do this segment on the last episode, but, um, the Randolph Mountain Club, they put out of their, uh, they put out the semi-annual newsletter and they had some interesting, um, historical stuff. So you wanted to just cover this, which I,

[00:45:00] I thought that this was interesting too. Yeah, for sure. And it was, um, from our friend, Steve Trace, who we had on, um, not that long ago about a book, uh, the Randolph Mountain Club was putting out about, uh, sort of different caretakers than their experience at Gray Knob and in the RMC high huts. Um, so this was kind of cool. I always find trail history interesting as I think many of, uh, you listen to, and this one was on a trail called the new spur trail that was, uh, in the RMC trail network. So the new spur trail was a short lived reroute of the spur trail,

[00:45:29] built in 1955 by legendary RMC trail worker, Chris Goetz, after storm damage affected the original alignment. So spur trail, for those of you unfamiliar is sort of the one that goes up from like the Pentadoi, um, sort of King Ravine side almost, and then goes up to Crag Camp. Um, so it's over there. So this was basically adjacent to that. Um, true to Goetz's preference for direct challenging routes, the trail hugs spur brook climbing steeply beside cascades, rock steps,

[00:45:57] and narrow slots near Chandler falls. Contemporary accounts described as one of the steepest and most exciting sections of the route to Crag Camp, bringing hikers right into the spray of the waterfalls and offering intimate views of the gorge. And despite its scenic appeal, the trails close proximity to the brook made it vulnerable to erosion and difficult to maintain. Um, pretty much by the mid seventies, the new spur trail was closed, um, and the original existing spur trail reopened

[00:46:22] instead. Um, and unlike many trail relocations in the area, this was never replaced. Um, and it's pretty much lost to the forest at this point. And really interesting story of why Steve Chase ended writing a little article on this is he rediscovered evidence of the trail in 1990 and looked into the history of it. And he actually found an old sign, sort of one of those washed out, like any of the RMC signs you say up there, but it was all faded and no paint left on it. And you could make out,

[00:46:48] um, in carving on it, it said two new spur trail and it actually washed into spur brook during a spring runoff event. So he was kind of hiking along the trail and he saw this sign washed down there and was kind of like, what the heck is this thing? I mean, you get to think of this point, that sign was probably around 15 years old or something like that, just hanging out in the woods. So it's kind of remarkable that he was able to find it and it still was readable. Um, and just to kind of close your remark here, the new spur survives mostly through historical accounts and RMC lore

[00:47:15] and representing an era when trail design often prioritized directness and adventure over the, uh, sustainability standards used today, which I think anybody familiar with a lot of the RMC trails in the area. Um, like I was talking about Watson path, uh, last episode, like a lot of them really just go straight up the mountain. Like you end up at with some killer views on most of them. Um, like King ravine with Shemean and great gully and King ravine, but a lot of them literally just go straight up the most direct plausible ascent route. Right. I mean, you're really like that

[00:47:45] crag camp in the spur trail. You're really on the saddle of the, um, I guess it's the Northern end of King ravine itself. And then you do make your way into spur brook. But from what I can tell from this article, it sounds like, um, you know, spur brook B or the spur trail breaks over to spur brook and Chandler fall around 3,700 feet. It sounds like this old trail made its way down to,

[00:48:11] about 3000 feet with the intersection of Randolph path, King ravine trail and, um, amphibranch ends up connecting. So it sounds like it just kept you on the east side of spur brook, which is kind of interesting, but super steep there. Yeah. And I mean, I was trying to imagine, um, cause we visited Chandler falls, um, in the winter, really not too long ago. And I was trying to imagine how you could have a trail going up through that gorge. Cause you do have a good look down there, kind of up the gorge going up the mountain. And it's

[00:48:38] a pretty significant, it's not like a little sort of brook. Like it's definitely a bouldery area, like almost akin to the end of the flume gorge or something like that. But I was trying to imagine how you would construct a trail in there. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. So anyway, if you're, if you're so inclined, you want to dig around, maybe you can find, I would not mess around in there. It's just thick, very steep and, uh, and, um, probably a little bit too dangerous for my liking. Agreed.

[00:49:02] Very good. Um, all right. So then we've got some national news here next. So, uh, there's a story I think maybe Stomp had sent this over 71 teens rescued while, um, exploring a sewer in New York. So this was, uh, it looks like it was a private school group of, um, I guess it was an Orthodox Jewish private school, um, eighth and ninth grade girls that, uh, unexpectedly emerged from a drain in the patio of a Rockland County restaurant Wednesday after taking

[00:49:31] an unauthorized trek underground. These kids have not read Stephen King and they don't know to stay out of the, out of the sewers. Yeah. Clearly they don't have a fear of clowns that are like the devil. Exactly. So they saw a culvert, they saw the cave and they thought, let's go take a look and see what's in there. I'm going to tell you what's in there, girls. It's sewer water. Don't go in there. So they started walking and then just kept walking and walking and,

[00:49:56] uh, the mayor of this town. So this was in, uh, Rockland County in the town of Nyack, New York. And I think the school is in Rampano, New York. Um, so the mayor says the group traveled roughly half a mile through the dark culvert on rocks and uneven terrain before safely finding an exit at the Hudson house restaurant, surprising restaurant owner, Matt Hudson. Hudson says he

[00:50:23] was in the office when I heard kids chattering. I was like, where's that coming from? And he was astonished to find the young girls climbing out of a drain over a Creek in the courtyard behind his restaurant. And he said, sure enough, we came back here into the patio, looked here and it was filled up with kids. They were fine, but they were excitedly talking and they were happy to get out of there. So I guess everybody's safe, but, um, it'll be a memory that they will not forget. And, uh, the guy who owns the restaurant said he's been in for 36 years and he thought he'd seen it

[00:50:51] all, but he had not seen that. So. Yeah. Don't go sewer exploring. We don't want to, again, I don't think even around, like, I guess, Southeast Mass and even up to where you guys live, we don't have like a lot of ditches and like sewers that are the size, like you could climb into them kind of deal. Like, I feel like I think of like California when you think of in like, in like Las Vegas, I know I was like this elaborate, like sewer system for flash floods, but we don't have like stuff like that. Not that I would go exploring in it if we did, but I could, I guess as a kid, you could

[00:51:18] see how it would be like, Hey, let's go in there and you get dared or something like that. Oh yeah. If I had like, if I had something like that, I would be, I would a hundred percent go goonies on that. No problem. But there, there's not, there really, I don't remember any sewer. Yeah. One, I will. I don't remember any, any sewer adventures when I was a kid. Yeah. No, we stayed out of sewerage generally, unless you disclude me surfing after sewerage, probably dumping into the ocean, but that's a different story. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, but all's well that ends well for this one. And then moving on,

[00:51:48] Nick, a Brazilian woman, this was a crazy video. Did I send this to you guys or did, did Stomp send it to us? So who sent it? You sent, I think you sent in our friend Jake sent this at the same time. And I was like, is that the video from it? And it does appear it's the actual video. It's the actual video. It's wild. It's disturbing. Like, yeah, it is disturbing. Agreed. So this is a 21 year old. I don't know what her deal was. I think she was some kind of an influencer, but she died bungee jumping. And in this situation, the, the, the bungee jump

[00:52:17] operators failed to attach the cord completely. I mean, this, the video of this is insane. And I've never seen a bungee like this in my life. Like essentially they had, they, they set it up so that she was sort of crowd surfing. So there was two men, one in front and one behind, and she was in a Superman pose and they literally just like tossed her off a bridge. And then there was no, and they were recording, there was a friend was recording

[00:52:42] it. Nobody realized that she wasn't attached to the bungee cord. And she went, I think 40 meters, they said, which is 120 feet. And unfortunately, like she was alive when she hit the ground. There was a nurse that was there that helped her, but she didn't survive her injuries. So it's crazy. Yeah. You think, uh, checking to make sure that it was attached is a pretty crucial, like that's literally, I mean, I wouldn't say, I don't know, bungee jumping enough to be like, that's the only thing you can mess up, but it seems like that's kind of the imperative thing.

[00:53:10] Like, cause it's just a cable and one ends wrapped around you. Like you want to make sure the harness end is attached, but you really, really want to make sure too, that that end is attached to the other side. Make sure you can actually bungee. I've been on a lot of vacations, Nick, and I've done a lot of these excursions and I have, I wrote an essay about this for the, but like you have to understand that these, these operators, these excursion operators, I mean, this is essentially like, I will not go on the rides at like the Freiburg fair or the

[00:53:39] carnivals or any of that stuff. I mean, if you look at the people running those rides, like I'm not putting my life, I'm not trusting my life on those guys setting up a roller coaster that's going to like operate safely. I'm sorry. It's not going to happen. Yeah. I've, uh, I like, I go down rabbit holes on YouTube. Bash will make fun of me for this, but like, I like looking at like the engineering of like roller coasters sometimes and things like that. I find it interesting. And yeah, the ones that they make, like, I think it's more, obviously we have fairs here, but I think it's much more common, even Europe where you have these

[00:54:08] roller coasters and these full fledged theme park rides that are like collapsible and rebuilt. And they like migrate to like 20 different fairs across the summer. And, um, it's kind of amazing that they can make even publicly, uh, perceived reliable things. I'm like, I'm kind of with you where I don't think I do that just bungee jumping in general too. I feel like that's kind of like, I'd say maybe skydiving, you could talk me into one day, but like bungee jumping, I, I could happily like go through my days, never having bungee jumped. It's not on the list.

[00:54:37] Right. Right. So I, I put together Nick, a list of things that I will do and then things that I will avoid. And I've been on a lot of these vacations and these excursions and the kids all want to do the zip lines and all this stuff. I don't touch them. So here's what I do. I will do jet skis within sight of land, right? I'll do that snorkeling. I will do because you're in the water. That's nice. I'll do sunset cruises, anything to do with a boat that close to land.

[00:55:03] I will do hiking, swimming pool pools, um, bars. I'll go drink, whatever, uh, anything water related provided that it's close to shore. I'll do Jeep tours. I'll do boat rentals. I'll do kayaks, paddleboards, canoes, ATVs. Um, but basically like I want to maintain a fair amount of control about the situation. Like if something goes wrong, I'll have options. Um, you know, and some of these, there are potential

[00:55:30] for mechanical failures, but generally limited and I, you know, you'll survive. But the stuff that I avoid is like parasailing. Number one, bungee jumping, skydiving, anything involved being pulled behind a boat. I'm not touching rope swings, zip lines, Alpine sides, basically anything involving like a harness, a cable, a rope, or an operator that has to rely on my safety. I'm not going there,

[00:55:57] you know, like a single equipment or human failure could have catastrophic consequences. I'm not touching. There's no ability to recover once something goes wrong. So I don't touch those. There's also a time factor, Nick, when you're out here, like I have no problem with, like if I'm going to go out and do something for four or five hours, like I'll enjoy a nice boat ride and then go snorkeling. I'm willing to invest my time. What I don't want to invest my time in is a bungee jumping, you know, you got to sit in line, wait for a bunch of people to do it, and then maybe take a safety class. And then it's a

[00:56:27] two second experience. Like that's not, I'm not interested. That's a very logical assessment. I think of these activities. Right. What's an Alpine slide? Is that like the, I just think of like the ones you'd see that were like Action Park where they had like, it looked like a dry water slide with like roller type things on it or? Yeah, yeah. So the Alpine slides are the ones like there was one at Aditash and it's basically a roller coaster, but you can control it. Like it's got a brake system, but those things, again, it's another waste of time because what ends up

[00:56:55] happening is like, you got to pay a lot of money, you get in line and then you get behind somebody that goes slow and they stop all the time. And then you got to go slow and stop all the time. So it's, it's not the thrill that you think it is. And you know, those, I feel like they're dangerous. Like if you get somebody that doesn't know what they're doing, they come up behind you and they can nail, they can hit you hard so you can get injured. Yeah. That wouldn't be a, that wouldn't be fun. I have a friend actually a work friend that I fish with and not a hiker, but he actually was at a work outing and they were doing bumper cars and he

[00:57:25] got slammed into and it like jacked up his back, like for life. Like he's had three back surgeries now and it's unfortunate, but those things get rammed into by people. I'm not into anything involved with that. So anyway, that's the stuff, again, the, anything to do with harnesses, ropes, cables, relying on some, one person to like basically set it up so that your safety or your, your life could be on the line. And I'm not doing that.

[00:57:52] Yeah. I'm kind of mostly along the same lines, I would say there. Yeah. Anyway. Um, but that's it. So condolences to the Brazil lady and, uh, don't go bungee jumping, Nick. No, it's not on my list of things to do for sure. Very good. You know, what is on your list is, is new smart will mittens. Ready for slashers.

[00:58:19] Yes. So this was another lost episode casualty, but, uh, as part of our gear review, I did want to shout out this and shout out to the mountaineer in Keene Valley. They're sort of the premier hiking gear slash climbing store. That's in Keene Valley, right on 73. Um, highly recommend you go in there and check them out. Uh, if you're in the area, they have some good sales. I picked up a t-shirt

[00:58:48] and these smart wool mittens calm my eye. Cause number one, they were on sale. Um, Mike knows how much mittens, so I'm always into the mittens, but these ones are sort of the fingered ones and they have sort of the top half of the mitten can come over them or you can sort of pull the top off. And I thought they'd be absolutely perfect for like doing photos or maybe even like the fall timeframe where it's not like so cold, like, um, I'd say it's, you're not talking like a teens or zero day, kind of like we're hiking in the core of winter in January, February, but I thought they'd be sort

[00:59:15] of a good in between season thing. And I ended up picking them up. So we'll see how they work. Congratulations, Nick. Thanks. Another pair of mittens. Yeah. Hey, what's that sound? It must be time for the pop culture segment with Mike and Stomp.

[00:59:48] And then, uh, now we're going to do, we don't do in music minute tonight. So we're going to do a pop culture talk here. No, we're going to, we're going to do a pop culture. So I wanted to shout out first that after, uh, after our whole Alzheimer's, like, um, I saw my first standup show. Have you ever seen a standup show, Mike? I have many times I worked at, uh, for years I worked at Prince pizza on route one giggles comedy club. So I've seen them all come through there. Lenny Clark, Steve Sweeney, Joe Rogan used to come through there. Yeah. It's yeah.

[01:00:17] Um, so it, it was unfortunate that it fell on the same day as the Alzheimer's. Like, I think Peter and I were pretty tired for the 10 o'clock comedy show. Um, but it was really funny. So I saw Daniel Tosh. Um, I've been watching them since his standup days. I remember on like premium blend on comedy central when they do that. And then you had the Tosh point O show for a while that most people probably know him from. Um, he was fantastic. Uh, his opener and also a co-creator of

[01:00:41] the Tosh show. Tosh point O, uh, Eddie Gosling was also really funny. Um, I thought it was funny too. So he's anybody that probably is a fan of his comedy. He's got like a sort of a lot of dark humor and like as an actual seeing him in person, I expected it was just amplified, which pretty much what it was. Um, I think he's a very smart creative comic, but it was surprised me how much during the show he was talking about people walking out and there were actually two people behind, um, Peter's group that like just a couple that got up and like walked out during one of the sort of

[01:01:09] joke segments he was in. So I just think it's funny. Cause if you're spending that kind of money and you like, if you know Daniel Tosh from like a hole in the wall, like you, you kind of should know what you're signing yourself up for. And I just thought it was funny that you're at a comedy show. Like you got to kind of be in that light heart mood and people are having beers and stuff. Like it's just weird for me for people to be like, I'm going to show it, take a stand and like leave this guy's show. Like he doesn't care. Like he's success. He's very successful at this point. Like he's just doing it probably to pay the bills and enjoys doing it. So I think it's a funny

[01:01:38] take, but, um, overall I was super happy. I would, if you're a Daniel Tosh fan and you're a fan of any of his shows, I highly recommend going to see him live if you can. Um, it was a lot of fun. Yeah. I don't know much about him, but I did put a little note in like the one, the one thing that I always will remember about him is he was the guy before social media became big. He was that the Tosh show was like where you could go to find like viral clips. He was the

[01:02:04] one that made the, the wicked witch of the East is a princess that, that meme like go viral because these two friends were playing, um, I don't know that game where you put like a card on your head, but they were arguing about whether Glinda, the good witch of the East was a, was a princess or a witch. And the guy was so passionate about it and Tosh had the guy on and he was, it was pretty funny. So I'll, I'll put a link in the show notes about it.

[01:02:30] But yeah, he's, he's good stuff. Good stuff. He was really funny. So that's good. Yeah. I think, um, all I have here, Nick is, um, me and Mrs. Mike did watch a show and I do want to recommend it. We talked about dating earlier, Nick, and I think that this show would be good, especially for young guys that don't know what they're doing with the ladies. Um, this will be a good show for you to watch. It's, it's on Amazon prime called off campus. It's a, like a hockey romance show, but it has like one of my favorite, like, uh,

[01:03:00] rom-com sort of devices. It's the fake boyfriend move. You know, that, that, like the move where it's like, um, somebody like either the girl or the boy likes somebody, but they can't get their attention. So the jock who needs help studying needs the girl to tutor him to get the, the grade. And in return, he's like, if you hang out with me, I'll pretend to be your boyfriend. And then this other guy will like you because she, I'm with you. So, um, I love that, like

[01:03:28] that device or whatever. So anyway, and then of course the jock and the girl end up falling in love. Yeah. Right. It's like, sounds like the plot of like a bunch of like nineties, like, Oh yeah. Romance kind of like the original movie that I know of. This is like the, the can't buy me love, which is like a, an eighties comedy movie. Uh, but there's a million of these. Anytime the girl has to bring like a guy home for Christmas or a wedding because she goes, she's lying to her family saying she has a boyfriend and she gets somebody

[01:03:55] to like, just come with me, pretend to be the boyfriend. And then they eventually slowly fall in love after a bunch of comedic, like mishaps. Like I love that's right there, Nick. I love that. Maybe I'll have to see if I can talk Ash into this. I think I'm losing her from ER. I think she's finally going to give up on it on me. So off campus. This is, I highly recommend this one. And it's a good one too, for young guys to pay attention to, because it's written by women and they, uh, they give you like the, uh, the roadmap on how you should

[01:04:24] be with girls in order for them to like you. I think. Interesting. A lot of these young guys are stupid. I mean, like I, well, look, I was the king of stupid. And I, if I had like a show like this where I could say like, all right, I need to behave a little bit better than it would be. And they don't, the thing I like about this is it's realistic. Like they don't pretend like these guys aren't pigs in college, but they, they, they make them

[01:04:47] a little more palatable. So. Oh man. All right. I love the fake boyfriend trope, Nick. I love it. I can tell you're very much, I feel like you wish you were a fake boyfriend at some point back in the day. It's over for you, Nick. It's over. Dream. Can dream. I'll walk down. I'm in my fifties. It's done. But there's still hope for some of our younger listeners. So. Yes. And lastly, we've got, so this is almost sort of a music-y minute thing, but I figured we had enough with pop culture tonight. Um, you ever heard of Skrillex, Mike? I have.

[01:05:16] So very like, uh, like electronica, like hot, fast pace, right? Yeah. Like EDM dub, like he mixes a lot of style styles, but, uh, stomp through this in and this was pretty interesting, but it was basically a study found that Skrillex tracks can repel mosquitoes. So there was a scientific study in Acta Tropica found that Skrillrex's blah, Skrillex's 2010 dubstep classic scary monsters and nice sprites. It's a good tune. Significantly reduced biting and mating

[01:05:44] behavior in Aedes aegypti mosquitoes, the species known for spreading diseases like ding, Zika, and yellow fever. So, uh, apparently the track's aggressive mix of high and low frequencies disrupted how mosquitoes locate hosts and communicate through wingbeat vibrations. So females took longer to bite and fed less often while mosquitoes exposed to the song mated far less than those in silence. So kind of an interesting little factoid there. So maybe you just need to blast

[01:06:14] Skrillex while you're hiking if the mosquitoes are really bad, but I wouldn't recommend it. You'd probably just use bug spray. Yeah. I'll have to do some research to see if there's any Skrillex songs that, um, that are good for me. So do you ever listen to music when you're hiking, Nick? Uh, if I'm by myself, uh, it's probably 50, 50. Like when I was up, uh, the other Wednesday with trail maintenance and stuff and I'm by myself, I'll, I'll usually throw something on, but sometimes I'm just like not in the mood and I just, I'm listening to this, the subtle sounds of nature. But I think more if I'm like going and

[01:06:43] trying to bang something out, I, I tend to put some music on like I'm running or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I'll listen to like an audio book or, um, a podcast, but generally that I'll just put that on low if I'm by myself and I'm, you know, kind of just in my thoughts and not above tree line or something. So I'll do it like when I'm going up to the bald faces or something. Yeah. That's cool. Awesome. All right. So Skrillex, we'll have to look at that. I just, I got that up on Spotify right now. Bangarang. I know that song. I know Bangarang. All right,

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[01:08:39] on this week's beer talk. And now Nick is the part of the show where we talk about what beer we are drinking for tonight. So I am not drinking anything tonight. I'm just drinking water. I am drinking an athletic brewing co-beer. Um, I did want to shout out two different things. So this past weekend after the Alzheimer's, like, even though we didn't make it to ledge, um, I had

[01:09:03] some beers. So we went to ward four and Newton for dinner, uh, pre comedy show with, uh, Peter and his, his better half and some of their friends. Um, they had some good stuff on tap. I had zero gravity green state lager and I had some good old Guinness, which is always solid. We also went to Bill's bar and lounge near Fenway, which it was interesting. I haven't been to like one of those underground steamy, like it was pretty warm that night. Like one of those steamy, humid, sticky bars near Fenway in like a while. And I'm like, I forgot what this vibe was like. Uh, and it was

[01:09:31] kind of cool to just go in one and grab a drink before we went to the show. So, uh, so that was kind of fun. Um, and then from our lost episode, uh, this kind of goes with the Adirondack theme, but wanted to shout out paradox brewery in North Hudson, New York. They're right off 87, the Adirondack North way. Um, they're a great spot. I highly recommend checking them out. We've, they've probably come up sort of peripherally, uh, through some of the topics, but really good beer, good food, pretty kid friendly in there. Uh, good atmosphere. So

[01:09:57] check them out if you're in the area. And then also if you're in Keene Valley, uh, there's this place that's like the perfect blend of a store for me. So they sell craft beer and they also sell flowers and plants. I'm kind of a garden enthusiast, uh, but, uh, it's called craft beer center, um, East branch organics in Keene, New York. They're right on nine. And so if you're in the area, buy some plants, buy some beer. And they also sell like whiskey and wine. If you're into that, a lot of local New York stuff. So it's a cool spot. That's awesome. Yeah. And I did want to

[01:10:24] shout out, uh, ledge brewing. I did go there and I had, um, two of their, uh, flagship beers, which are called as you wish. Their flagship beer is a 6.8% New England IPA, which is called as you wish. And it's a hazy New England style IPA hop with citra, mosaic and a Zaka hops. And, uh, I thought it was pretty good. I had, I doubled up on those. And then I think, um, Jake's got the off pissed and, uh, that's a little, um, smoother. That's a pale ale.

[01:10:53] And then they have a, another drink, which is called the tri pyramid, which is a triple IPA, which is 10.7% alcohol. I didn't have that. I didn't try that one, but that's a, that's intriguing to me. That sounds like a spicy, spicy beer to indulge in. Yeah. Yeah. They've got it. It's interesting. They've got like some traditional stuff and then they've got the, um, they've got the German beer going. They've got a Weiss. They've got a couple of, uh, um, box here and

[01:11:19] lager. So, uh, and then my Caroline and Devin, my, my daughter and her boyfriend, they got some of the, uh, the tacos and some of the food. They said it was fantastic. Yeah. I made it in there with, uh, Ash after we all hiked Pierce back in February and we had some beers, uh, with, I think Paul and Steve joined us and we got some tacos and they were really tasty. Awesome spot. Very good.

[01:11:48] I knew we should have gone left back there. Stomp, don't worry. I know it's this way. I've got a feeling in my gut. Uh, are you sure you're not about to have a bowel emergency? Uh, totally. We got this. But I just blew out my hip. Fell down that gully with my 40 year old micro spikes. Suck it up, Stomp. It's 4 PM. We're at 3,500 feet. We got nine miles back to the parking lot. Your leg may be broken. We got no cell connection and we can't feel our

[01:12:16] fingers, but we're finishing all of my list tonight. By the way, I need some water. I'm empty. I would if I could see what I'm doing, but my headlamp batteries are dead. You gotta be kidding me. What a chump. This is the last time I hike with you. Ha, whatever, Mr. Do you know me? I have a podcast. Whatever. Let's find out what Mike and Stomp have been hiking.

[01:12:43] Um, and then now's the part of the show that we talk about recent hikes. So basically our recent hike, Nick is the, uh, the, the slasher podcast team, 48 peaks hiked to Mount Adams. So you want to break that down from, give your impression of how that was? Yeah. I mean, I think, uh, minus people in beaver socks, it was a fantastic day. Um, great job, everybody. We had a couple of people, I know Jay and I believe Jeremy, it was their first time getting up Mount Adams. So good job guys. Uh, forgive me if it was anybody else's first time. I don't believe in the parking

[01:13:12] lot. Anybody else said it was, but Devin, I think Devin, he had did Madison last year, but he didn't do Adams. So, okay, good job, Devin. I didn't realize that was his first, uh, his first shot too, but good job guys. Um, I think like Mike said, we did the groups kind of clustered up a little bit. Um, I know like Andy and Riley also sort of hiked up more internally King ravine and then Amy and will, um, also left a little bit earlier. Um, just kind of time concerns. And I think Amy hadn't had a toe injury, but we all ended up meeting

[01:13:38] that Adam summit. Um, I think it took us a little under four hours to finally get up there. Um, weather was good. It wasn't super, it was a little warm coming down later. Um, but in the morning it was, it was generally pretty beautiful. There was a nice breeze probably in like the fifties on Adams and, uh, and pretty, pretty gusty. I'd say more so even, um, then on top of Adams itself, uh, really wind gusts around King ravine sort of as we were topping out on the ravine, it was whipping pretty good. It could almost move you around a little bit,

[01:14:06] but, um, great day, great weather had nice bluebird skies with some clouds intermingling, um, really great visibility. You could see into Vermont, could see into Maine on either side. Um, I think much else too complicated. We ended up going up airline all the way after Mike tried to take his down Valley way for 50 feet. I did. Swung back, uh, headed up airline all the way, uh, to the summit of Adams. And then we

[01:14:32] often, this was Mike's idea, which I enjoyed, but coming down star Lake trail down that backside, there is sort of a, I don't even know if I call it a chimney. There's maybe one tough spot on the top where you kind of get to watch your footing a little bit and sort of just take care there. But after that, it's kind of your standard ledgy boulder field descent. And I think in that area, um, the views of Madison and Quincy Adams and like star Lake, like that you get descending that trail are probably some of the most beautiful, I think it's arguably in better than airline

[01:15:00] coming down that way. Um, just a classic shot with Madison and star Lake. And then of course you got the classic, like we were sharing some pictures on Instagram of like Mike in front of star Lake, but with that star Lake with Madison behind, it's like such a classic white mountains, Northern presidentials photo. Yeah. Um, perfect. There was a little bit of an aspect of like the Hillary step. Um, once we got off Adams, cause it was, I think 17 people in our group, but again, there wasn't, we weren't hiking with 17 people. There was a spread out, but there was another

[01:15:27] group in front of us and there was like a little bit of a chimney. So at one point I did, I think I do have a picture that sort of like does look like that Mount Everest Hillary step for a minute. But like after that, everybody just split up and it really, I think I was hiking with like, it's so weird how that happens. Like on the summit. Yeah. Everyone's together, but then you're split up. I think I was with like maybe two or three people at, at the most, any, any, at any one point in time. Yeah. I feel like kind of the same vibe of like, I feel like going up,

[01:15:54] I was kind of in the middle and then I went out in front of you guys to try to get pictures. And then I was like hanging back. Um, and I think coming down Adams, I ended up hanging with Lynn and Amy and will, um, for a bit and then kind of ended up seeing you and it was chatting up with you towards the bottom. And then before I knew it, kind of, we got back to the hut and me, Peter and, uh, Jack were like, yeah, we get a, we get a head back down so we can get back to Boston. And, uh, also Jennifer ended up joining us down. So that was fun. And I think we made,

[01:16:20] we like, I think there were maybe blaming me for it, but we made it down, uh, back to Appalachian, like an hour and a half. So quick. Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're hauling, but I mean, the trail was generally dry after the top part and nothing really that crazy going on. And, um, some of the blow downs I saw like a week and a half earlier were cleared. So that was nice. Yeah. Yeah. I think some of the newer hikers and the folks that don't get out that much, I think the one star lake is great, but I do think it's just a warning. Like it's a quick drop.

[01:16:45] So if your quads aren't used to that kind of, that kind of pounding, I think that that really hurt some folks and they were, it was pretty slow going down Valley way because they were still feeling that, that pain. So it does, it just takes an adjustment. Like some of the people are less experienced hikers and, uh, it was a little slow going for us coming back, but otherwise we were, we were, they had a good day. Cool. Nobody went up Madison after we left? Nobody went up Madison. No. Okay. I was surprised. I thought someone, someone would have gotten talked into going

[01:17:13] up there. I know it's so tantalizingly close, but I mean, I had no interest. I was just kind of relaxing and enjoy. I mean, I was mostly just keeping an eye on Caroline, Dev and Jay, making sure that they, they got down. Okay. So all's good. And Lynn, Lynn was, uh, Lynn was there with, but Will and Amy were, were there too. So we were, we, we had a great day. Yeah. It was awesome. Good job, everybody. Yeah. And shout out to the Alzheimer's association. They gave the slasher team an award,

[01:17:41] um, which I have over there. I forget what it, what it's for, but it was really nice of them to do that. And they, they put on a great event afterwards. We were there a little bit late, but, uh, overall we, uh, had a great time and, um, it's really, it's a great organization. And I think as everyone gets older, like there's no way that you won't be touched by dementia or Alzheimer's. So step up and definitely help out if you can. Yeah. A hundred percent.

[01:18:06] Yep. All right. Uh, Nick, the, um, next up here is, oh, actually now we got to talk about what do we get going on this coming weekend? So I think you, I know there's a couple of things in the air. I got reached out. I was kind of watching what you guys were doing. And then my cousin, Sarah Beth and Jay, they reached out to me. Um, Jay's the one that's trying to do the Jigger Johnson 50 come in the summer that I'm going to hopefully help pace, but he kind of wants to get out and do something. So I was looking at what I needed

[01:18:32] for spring peaks and also part of parts of the course that he probably should experience. And one of that is like the latter half to third, I guess, mileage that he'll be doing is up the, up East Osceola from the kank, basically back into Waterville Valley up to comes up. Um, so I was kind of looking at, I think we're going to do a loop, um, car spot at Greeley ponds and then a car at East pond. And we're going to go up to East Osceola and then we're going to go out to West Osceola, I think, which from our friend, Steve, apparently pretty well-defined herd path.

[01:19:02] Um, at this point, we're going to try to shoot out to their, um, pending time and then head down back to Tripoli road and then, uh, go up East pond trail and kind of go back to our other car there. So some new trails I haven't been on there before. Apparently East pond trail, Peter said's, um, pretty chill. So, um, it should be a fun day. That that's the current plan. Anyways, if weather shifts or whatever, we might pivot and maybe potentially crash what, uh, you guys were

[01:19:26] planning or shift our plans. But yeah, it looks like, um, rain on Thursday night. I may bail on that one cause I don't know if I'm going to have a car spot. So I was thinking about maybe going up to the bald faces and just doing a trail maintenance day, but then I'm also thinking about maybe doing a Pemi loop with the new closed Pemi loop trail. I haven't done a single day Pemi loop, so maybe I'll do that. So I'm feeling kind of energetic right now, but we'll see. Yeah. Cool. I'll make a decision whatever you get up to. Yeah. I got to get my pool noodle if I do the Pemi loop.

[01:20:01] It's time for Slasher's notable hike of the week. If you want to be considered for the hike of the week, simply tag Slasher on your social media post. All right, Nick, uh, notable hikers of the week. Yes. So a notable listener hike of the week, you can tag Slasher on your adventure and be considered for Slasher's hike of the week. I try to get everybody, but no guarantees to be plugged on the show. And this would be on Instagram. Uh, we don't really check Facebook as much. So if you're going to tag us, do it on Instagram. Yeah. And this one's, it's going to be

[01:20:31] tough for anyone to, there's one that really stands out. So we'll, we'll see. Yeah, for sure. Um, so our friend Liz Fay, uh, scar Ridge trail to summit a North tri pyramid. I think she talked about this a little bit, but she finally posted pictures. Um, but she remarks how great of a trail the scar trail was. I've heard that from a few different people. I have to check it out sometime. And this was for the Waterville red liner one 25 list. Um, and then she's out on her Baxter. Uh, she was on her Baxter state park trip that she talked about. So it looks like the first day after

[01:20:58] camping, um, they did grassy pond, elbow pond, and Tracy pond. I was looking at these on the map. Looks beautiful. Um, then they got out to North brother sounded like, uh, Izzy and some of the crew got out to fort. Um, she opted to stay on North brother. It sounds like, unfortunately, they kind of had hit or miss weather. Uh, it's still some beautiful views and beautiful pictures, Liz. And then, uh, it looks like they rounded out the trip and they got up to Hamlin. Um, of course on Katahdin and Baxter. So awesome trip, awesome photos, Liz. Um, looks like you guys

[01:21:26] sort of made the best of it, even though the weather seemed a little, uh, tipsy turvy there with thunderstorms and rain and whatnot. Um, next we've got folk star. He did Franconia Ridge for the all's 48 peaks. And then he got up to Kura both a stunning pictures there too. 802 trail pup six, a couple of different tags here. So they had Pierce. Then they had a fall on Cardian. Unfortunately said nothing was broken. Uh, hope you can get back out there soon

[01:21:51] and you recover. Um, then they did Abraham and Ellen up in Vermont. So some of the 67 peaks in the Vermont five. Um, then we had multiple tags from our teammates on slasher. So Andy summit, stack attack, Amy G's Louise, uh, Jay, J H black. We had Paul Gamel, P gam junior and Riley all tagged Mount Adams for the team slasher. All's 48 peaks. Like, so thanks for sharing the pictures,

[01:22:17] everybody. It's been like blowing up on the stories and everything. So get some cool pictures and also bringing some attention to the 48 peaks events. So that's awesome. Marley Sue too, did Moose a lock for all's 48 peaks hike. And we got Nick crouch, Derek Tissima from five 26 to six 11. So, uh, may 26th to June 11th, 247 miles and 77,000 feet of elevation gain. Yeah. I don't think

[01:22:42] anyone's going to Nick beat Nick this week. No, this one, I was like, Holy moly. That is a, that's a, that's a throwdown right there. Our friend, uh, nook 603 Eisenhower with the rower for all's 48 peaks. So nice job getting out there. Uh, that frigging hiker, his did a 48 peaks hike on white face and pass at Conaway noted that the blueberry ledge trail was a little spicy. Yeah. I met him. I met him at the Alzheimer's. Oh really? Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Next year,

[01:23:10] I was talking to him with the, he said the name immediately. I was like, I know who you are. Yeah. Um, lots of, hopefully there's no comedy show next year that ended up attending it. Did, did miss attending that. Um, and Buck, Buck snort. I don't know. I don't know if I'm missing like the wording in here, but Buck snort peak bagging Mansfield from the North for the 38th time on their peak in Vermont. Wow. I Davia did the bomber site on Mount water mini. I haven't,

[01:23:35] haven't gotten to that. I have to do that sometime. We got Cindy chess seven sugar loaves in twin mountain with Megan, Sweezy and Jake stir and a stop at reckless brewing after. And then they got over to super secret ice cream and then they went by version. What a day. Good job, Cindy. Uh, vert project 26. So these were some of the guys we crossed there. It seemed like there was a group of dudes just like crushing, uh, some elevation on Adams and that's exactly what they were doing. So vert project

[01:24:01] 26 Adams vertical day with 8,500 feet and 15 miles lapping in and out of King ravine. He mentioned some of his different routes. It sounds like this, this dude maybe in particular had some issues with sort of calorie burning and I got to imagine it. You're just consuming so much and kind of trying to work that out, but nice job. You guys were crushing it. Um, they crossed the slasher podcast true and remarked that we were a very positive group. No, nice. So that, that was cool to hear.

[01:24:27] Um, and then heart disease hiker 75 was somewhere in Maine, I'm guessing. Um, and this is just from recollection that it was somewhere in your life. He was in, I think he was in the burnt meadow. So, okay. Burnt meadow. So beautiful sort of sunrise video there. Um, so who's got it this week, Mike? Uh, I mean, Nick, Nick crouch for sure with the dirtissimo for sure. So that's a great accomplishment. Congratulations. Yeah. Good job, Nick beast mode. And there was much rejoicing.

[01:24:55] All right, Nick. So before we get into, so we're now we're going to talk about the delisted peaks of the 52 with a view, but there was a couple of things, um, that we wanted to catch up. Do we have time to do this or do we push these out for a later, later episode? Um, I'll, I'll bang them out quick. Um, so this was, this was really just sort of recent hikes catch up, but, um, did get out to the Adirondacks finally over Memorial day weekend. Um, had a really fun filled weekend. Uh, Friday, we got up to roaring Brook falls with Ash, uh, the kids and my buddy Wilkie,

[01:25:23] um, right off 73. So we're near giant. Um, definitely recommend that spot. It's a nice, like sort of really, I don't know, a couple hour hike. Finally get out to Mount Colden. Um, third times the charm, uh, on Saturday of Memorial day weekend, uh, get out with Mike and Wilkie for 27 out of 46 and 87 out of my one 15. So it was nice to take another one off and finally get up there. Gorgeous views. We also did Indian falls on the way down. Um, a little bit of elevation gain going up to that, that my, uh, hiker mates weren't super happy about, but they didn't kill

[01:25:50] me. So all as well, um, high fall gorge Sunday, um, kind of a flume gorge type thing, the Adirondacks. And then, uh, we did Van Hovenberg and cascade lakes on Monday and a Rylan crushed her first peak on her own two feet. I was a little sentimental as a dad, totally out of the pack. We kind of picked her up over some muddy sections, but she did a fantastic. So fun time, the Adirondacks. Awesome. Very good. Then, uh, then you got out as well over that weekend, I think, right, Mike?

[01:26:16] I did. Yeah. I did the, uh, trail maintenance on the bald faces. So I'm working on, I have, uh, Eagle Crag out to, uh, South bald face. So it's about a two and a half mile section. So I was able to do the trail maintenance from Eagle Crag to, uh, pick Bicknell Ridge. And then I've got some work to do between Bicknell Ridge and North bald face. And then last year I had done a lot of work between South and North. Um, so I'll go out there and at some point I've got to do probably two more sessions

[01:26:46] out there, um, to make sure that I've got everything cleared. I want to make sure that I get out there before the race in, I think it's July, late July. So I want to make sure that I've got that old brush. Scramble or whatever. Right. Yeah. Okay. So, um, and I'm going to actually look into maybe volunteering for that if I'm around. I don't know what the, it may be that we may be up in Katahdin that weekend actually. So it may not work out, but we'll see. Uh, but it was good. Yeah. It's, it's beautiful. Um, I I've been enjoying not going up the ledges on South bald face. I've been,

[01:27:13] I usually go when I'm doing trail maintenance, I go the other way, um, up the bald face circle trail to get up to Eagle Crag and then make my way to North bald face, uh, and go that way. So it's a little bit different, but, uh, uh, I got probably another half mile worth of brushing to do. There's some, some grown in sections that I still have to get to, but, um, probably did about six hours worth of maintenance there. And, uh, it's very satisfying. I'm proud of my trail and I I'm very possessive

[01:27:42] about it now. It's like my, my baby. Nice job. I like it. I also thought it was super, a brief moment from the, uh, the Alzheimer's like, but I think you get a picture of me near the cutoff and you said something to the effect of like my third child. You're like, there's Rylan Ethan and then the airline cutoff, which I thought was super. I told Ash and she died. Yeah. I like that. That's the way I look at it. So I was proud. Your trail looks good too, Nick. I was, I was, there's another trail right before yours that was all grown in. And I was like,

[01:28:11] this is ridiculous. Nick needs to widen the corridor out. But then I realized I was talking about the wrong trail. Yeah. Probably upper Bruins. Yeah. And then I, uh, I looked at the airline cutoff and I was like, Oh, this is beautiful. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. I was blood. You're going to make me blush. Yeah. You did great. Slasher's hiking topic of the week.

[01:28:42] All right. So moving on to the segment of the week here. So this was the last episode's main segment of the delisted peaks of the New Hampshire 52 with a view. Yeah. Mike. So I think this was sort of your idea, but, um, we talk about everybody's familiar with the 52 of the view peaks. Um, but we figured we'd go through, uh, with this list being a changeable and having recently changed with a couple of peaks kind of coming off and new ones coming on that we talk about some of these delisted peaks. Um, a lot of them still have really nice views. Um, they're not

[01:29:11] all completely delisted cause mostly cause the views, but they're still worth visiting, I guess is what I was trying to say. Um, in way too many words. Um, but I guess we'll, we'll start over here and we'll talk about ones that maybe we've been to. So the first one we have over here is car mountain. Um, so this was one of the original 52 with a view peaks. It was removed back in 2001. Um, it was replaced by black mountain and Jackson, which incidentally is also on this list. Uh, so views have become increasingly restricted by tree growth. Um, no, no longer considered strong

[01:29:40] enough for the list. Um, and if you're, uh, looking to get out there, it's definitely a less traveled summit. You can hit it in 6.8 miles and 2300 feet. Um, you kind of find yourself out that way. Uh, next we've got Mount Wolf. So that was removed in 2010. Um, it was removed and replaced by Mount Roberts. Um, and while it offers a few viewpoints along the Kinsman Ridge trail, um, it no longer

[01:30:04] has a distinct open summit with expansive views. Um, like it did at one time. Uh, and, uh, Robert sort of replaced it just because it was considered to have a, uh, a much better view to hike ratio. Um, this one's 9.2 miles and 31 50 feet. So that's a pretty legit hike. That's, I think a lot of times people think of the 52 of the views is easier. Um, some of them are, but some of them have equally as challenging sections as anything that you're going to see on the 48. Yeah. I mean, Wolf is

[01:30:31] basically like, that's the kid, you got to do like the Kinsman Ridge trail. Um, you know, go along the whole Appalachian trail from Beaver Brook to get up there. And I think there's some other trails that go, uh, North or East to West on it, but yeah, it's, it's, it's not an easy thing. Yeah. Um, next we've got black mountain, um, the middle peak specifically up in Jackson. Um, so this was removed pretty recently in 2020. Um, and I did want to call out, uh, not to be

[01:30:58] confused with black mountain in Benton, which is very much on the list and also has fantastic views from its ledges. Um, this one's over more towards the East and Jackson, um, where the ski area is, uh, views had become more limited, um, compared to other candidate peaks as the case with most of these that we'll talk about. Um, removed in 2020 and that was replaced by other peaks that were offering better views. Yeah. So this one is to, um, give you a heads up next. Somebody had posted

[01:31:24] recently on the 52 with a view group that they had done black mountain, um, the ski trail. So yeah, it still has like trail system. It's got signs up there and everything. So yeah, you can, you can still hike it. Yeah. And that one's only 3.4 miles and 1500 feet too, if you want to get up there. And I mean, I haven't done the hike and trail. I've been to the ski area, um, quite a few times and it does have really pretty views. Um, it sounds like the, the views you get from the summit and are pretty much

[01:31:52] akin to those you get from the ski area. So nice views down into sort of the, I guess the latter end of the Mount Washington Valley. Um, next we've got iron mountain, which has a tumultuous past with this list. So it was removed in 2020, but then it got re-added in 2025. So that's kind of cool. Um, so this one was removed actually because there were concerns centered around the condition and quality of the primary hiking route. Um, and whether the overall hiking experience still met

[01:32:18] the standards of the, uh, the new, new, well, I'm, I was going to say New Hampshire hikers, the over the hill hikers, the maintainers of the list. Um, so despite its removal, iron mountain continued to offer some of the finest ledge views in the white mountains, including panorams of the presidential range, Mount Washington Valley, and the surrounding peaks. Um, in recent years, there's been significantly trail work and maintenance and some proved access and enhanced its overall hiking experience. Um, thus when the list was revived again, 20 revised again,

[01:32:47] 2025 maintainers determined that iron mountain would once again, um, be on the list and embodied the spirit of the challenge. So they officially reinstated it. And it's the only peak that that's actually happened to. Um, and this one's third 3.2 miles and 1200 feet. I I've wanted to check this one out for a while, but I've heard that you need kind of a good clearance vehicle. I want to say Steve was telling me like, if you got like an SUV, like an Outback or something, like you're probably fine, but probably wouldn't want to take a sedan down it if, unless you really had to. Yeah. I haven't done it. I mean, it's on my list to do.

[01:33:17] Yeah. Um, next I've, I've checked this one out before. So square ledge in the sandwich range wilderness. Um, this was removed back in 2020. Um, it's got a really nice ledge view of the cank region. You can kind of see up to Kerrigan and stuff. Um, mostly removed again, because brush has just grown. It's very scrubby up there. I don't know if it's like blueberry bushes and trees and kind of a mix, um, kind of just not a great view. It does have stunning views up to Passaconaway and

[01:33:44] sort of the whole one of Lancet range moving South off of Passaconaway. Passaconaway is looks very pyramidal from that perspective. And I think it's really cool. Um, that's also kind of a long jaunt by itself, 8.4 miles and 1550. Um, you can loop it with Pogus, which is what I had done. Um, or some of the other peaks in the Juan of Lancet range, if you don't want to just go out there to grab it by itself. Yeah. And there was some issues sometimes with square ledge where they would,

[01:34:10] um, have to shut it off because of, um, Falcon nesting. So the Peregrine Falcons, so not always the easiest, like there would be periods in early summer, I think where, you know, you'd have to stay away for like a couple of months or to, to, to let the Falcons do their nesting. So maybe that might've factored into why they delisted it as well. Yeah, for sure. Um, so next we've got Hibbard also located in that sort of Juana Lancet area. So this was removed in 2020, um, located in

[01:34:38] the sandwich range wilderness above the Fern, above Ferncroft and Juana Lancet. Um, it is known for outlooks of the bowl between Whiteface and Passaconaway. Um, it sounds like there's increasingly limited viewpoints. Um, and it also sounds like the committee might've sought to delist this just because they had a few different peaks in that area. You think like the Pog is square ledge. Um, and this one, you've got a couple different 52 of the view peaks all, or all sort of in close proximity. I think it's kind of neat. Cause it gives you like another destination to loop a bunch

[01:35:08] of stuff together if you want, but, um, I'm not a keeper of the list. Yeah. Yeah. And I would say that this is a good for sure. If you're going out of Ferncroft, like this is a good loop with, uh, Juana Lancet. Like there's like, I can't remember. It's been a while. It's been a couple of years since I've been on there. I don't remember specifically on the summit, but I do remember that there's a number of different, uh, little outcroppings, very similar to what like you'd experience on Pog is where you get out and you can look out into that bowl and see Pass Conway

[01:35:37] and Whiteface. There was like probably three or four of those outlooks, uh, between Hibbard and Juana Lancet that you get a good look at. So definitely worth doing. Like I, I felt like I, I wasn't shorted on views at all. It just like wasn't on the mountain itself. It was just more looks on different, different, um, outcroppings. Cool. Um, yeah, it's funny that whole range in that area I've, I've been in there probably, I don't know, six or seven times and I've gone,

[01:36:03] I've done the sandwich range traverse and I've done a big loop day with like Pog is and square legend. I gotta say that's like one of my favorite areas of the whites, I think outside of like, so the presidential range and maybe some of the bigger ridges it's, it's really pretty in there. It's very new England. Yep. Um, yeah. And this one's 5.6 and 2140 feet. If you didn't want to knock that one off, um, West Royce. So this one's interesting and I kind of validated this online as well, but it sounds like this one still has beautiful views over Evans notch

[01:36:31] in Western Maine. Um, so it sounds like, uh, they just wanted to modernize the list a little bit and it was sort of just shifted. Um, it doesn't appear that the motive behind removing this and replacing it was directly related to its, its abundance of views. Um, many hikers, uh, continue to regard as one of the strongest delisted peaks, um, 5.8 miles and 2310. But, uh, have you ever been up to this one, Mike? Cause I know Evans notch is kind of your, Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just, as you're talking, I'm just looking back at some of my

[01:37:00] photos, absolutely. Like, um, a bunch of outcroppings where they've got spectacular views, uh, out into Western Maine and then down into, I guess I'm looking at, oh, this may be caribou, uh, that you're looking out into, but yeah. Oh yeah. There's, there's just great views across this entire hike, the East and, uh, West Royce, uh, highly recommend this one. Um, I haven't done it in a while. I guess I did it in 2022, but, um, it's a, it's a great area and you're not going

[01:37:30] to see anybody either, which is nice, but yeah, maybe they didn't, maybe they felt like they had clustered so many between, so they have meter Eagle Crag, they've got the bald faces, they've got Eastman. So, uh, that's a lot right in that area there to add another one. So maybe they wanted to spread it out. Yeah. All right. Next. Um, I've done this one. I think you have too, Mike, but there's definitely not great views on this. I can completely validate that, but blueberry mountain and benton, uh, removed in 25. So, um, yeah, there's just not views from it

[01:37:59] anymore. It's pretty much, pretty much the, uh, end of story with this one, uh, 5.4 miles and 14, 10 feet. If you're going to do it, maybe with snowpack, you could see something from the top of it. I think you used to be able to see like all the Moose Alok and kind of that, um, Connecticut river Valley area of New Hampshire. But when Ash and I had done it probably in 22 or 23, it had to be maybe 22 cause my dad was still around, but, um, yeah, like there, there was nothing. Like we kept waiting for the spectacular views and we just didn't get anything.

[01:38:29] Yeah. I think I did this in the fall. I mean, it's a very pretty fall hike. Yeah. Um, for sure. But yeah, the views were limited. It was a lot of sort of standing on your tippy toes to look out and see some views. So, um, we kind of wandered or like you wander around the summit, like looking for the true summit and just to see if there's like a place to actually chill out and see the views. And it's just a lot of trees up there right now.

[01:38:56] This one's, um, cause of where it is too. If you, if you do want to check it out, um, you could loop it together with like black or blueberry or like even cubes, probably not like a terribly far drive. Like in that area, if you want to kind of do like a two for day. Um, that's helped me. I think me and Ash did that in black in the same day way back. Um, so Martin Martha, technically it's been removed, but this is sort of a read the fine print kind of thing. Um, but so the deal, the deal is it can be a little confusing. So Martin Martha

[01:39:22] is one of the sub peaks on cherry mountain, um, as is owl's head. So Mount Martha was removed, but share, but owl's head, which is just its neighbor. And to me has the way better views on that Ridge, um, is actually the official destination of the list. Now. I think most people that go to Martin Martha end up going to owl's head. Um, and that's for sure the highlight of the traverse. I mean, you've got fantastic views, um, looking East and I guess almost Northeast across sort of the Northern presidential range down through Washington.

[01:39:53] And then to your South is a fantastic view and gaze down into Crawford notch. Um, and I think Mike, you gave a, I'm remembering from when we did this before, but you had a little factoid about that's like where one of the earlier explorers, like sort of the saw Crawford notch, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is a local trapper or a hunter or something with the last name Nash of the Nash stream forest. This was with a spot where he was able to look down into, um, Crawford notch and realize that, okay, there's a pass through here that we can get to. So if you go

[01:40:22] out here, you'll, you'll see the view and you know, it's pretty obvious that there's a pass through there, but a matter of fact, I have a video that Nobby put together of me, him and stomp hiking this. So I'll put that up in the show notes that people want to check it out. Cause it's a pretty good overview of the, uh, the hike. Cool. That view too, um, stood out to me the first time I was up there because Crawford notch, the way that 302 drives into it, you don't really have a great perspective of it being a notch kind of like Franconia notch. You can see like

[01:40:49] going up 93 for a while, like Crawford notch, you kind of like corner into it. So this has a really good perspective, like looking straight down the pipe at it. And it shows you like, it's like, Oh wow. That's like a very obvious gap right there. Yeah. So pretty neat. Um, next we have Mount star King. Uh, so you're still going to hit it on the way up to Wombeck, but it does not count for the 52th of you. Well, I should say it's not officially on the 52th of the view list. It absolutely still counts. Um, I think we maybe buried the lead on this,

[01:41:16] but one unique thing with the 52th of the view list as well is that you can hike any combination of these peaks to equal 52. So they honor all delisted, um, peaks and iterations of the list. So that's kind of neat. So you can count it if you want. Um, it once had excellent views of the presidential range. Um, I'd say even back in 20, I guess it was a little while ago, but 2017 or 2016 when Ash and I first did it, it was in the winter and I actually won company photo contest calendar

[01:41:42] with a picture of, uh, the president's from star King. So, um, in more recent years, you can't really see much up there at all anymore. Tree growth is kind of just taking it out. You're going to go over it anyways. Um, so maybe try to stand on your tippy toes or get there with snowpack. Um, and this one, uh, really to me stuck out kind of like, uh, almost, um, sandwich dome. And I guess some of these other ones where it shows you how quickly some of these trees really can grow and

[01:42:08] reclaim open summits on in the forest. So 5.2 miles, 2300 feet, if you're just doing star King, but most people are going to go up there from Wambik. Right. Um, and that, uh, concludes our list of delisted peaks. Not bad, not bad. So just to recap here then. So there was 10 peaks that have been delisted since the challenge three were removed because of disappearing views. So we talked about car mountain, blueberry mountain, and Mount star King. One was removed and later reinstated,

[01:42:33] which is iron mountain. One was replaced by a neighboring peak. So this is, um, Mount Martha. And then several others remain debated among hikers, particularly West Roy square ledge and iron mountains, original removal. So that's the, um, that's sort of the breakdown. And I think that this is a pretty, um, it's a dynamic list next. So I do expect that there'll probably be some more

[01:43:00] movements on this over the next couple of years. Yeah. I mean, uh, I was glad to hear recently that you were talking about a sandwich dome does have views. That was one that when we went up there, it didn't see much. Um, but any other thoughts as to some peaks that might get delisted soon, Mike? I think the one that stands. So originally I had thought sandwich dome because the last time I went up there it was, but it looks like there's some, some views up there. I don't know if those were, um, assisted by humans with saws or what the story is, but, um, also along the way for sandwich,

[01:43:29] there's so many great views that I think they got like, is it noon peak or whatever? There's noon peak and then Jennings. So, and I also think that like, it's just like, that's the, the primary summit for the over the hill, um, hikers. I feel like it's their signature summit. So, but sandwich dome is holding on fine, but I think Eastman would be the one that would go next in, uh, Evans Dodge because that is getting grown, grown in a little bit. So maybe they replaced that

[01:43:55] and they put West Royce back on or something. I don't know. Cool. Yeah. I got to think, uh, I was remind, it reminds me kind of to like doing, I guess, see, or like some of these other peaks or like, even I remember doing bald peak in the winter on the way up to the Kinsman's. And I kind of was like, literally, I remember saying to myself, well, why the heck isn't this on the 52th view peak? But I think it's a word, uh, to the wise too. And not that I want to blow up people's hiking spots, but there's gotta be tons of little peaks and outlooks in New Hampshire that aren't on any

[01:44:21] lists that are, are very viable to get to if you know about them. Right. Yeah. I'd have to think about it a little bit, but people do ask sometimes too about like, um, well, why isn't Mount height on it? Or why isn't boot spur on it or whatnot? So the rule for the 52 with the view is that it's below 4,000 feet. And then also those summits don't have the prominence that, um, you're, is required to be considered a summit on a list. It has, does it have to be above a certain

[01:44:48] elevation? It's like 2,500 or something like that. I think it dropped. I think it was, it was like sort of an assumption that it would be above 2,500, but I think with Morgan and Percival, it dropped and they, they addressed that. I think when they, when they added Morgan and Percival and just said like, they're going to, you know, they've got some flexibility. So maybe something, you could see rattlesnake maybe getting on there or something, but I don't know if maybe they would put something like a Mount Major and the Bell Naps on there. Um, I do feel like maybe

[01:45:16] it would make sense to represent the, the Bell Naps at least with one, one summit, but they haven't done that before. Yeah. You said it took the words out of my mouth there. I was going to say the Bell Nap range is fantastic. I mean, you got even Bell Nap while it's wooded has a nice fire, well, is it a fire tower on an observation tower on top of it where you got 360 views, but yeah, it's kind of curious cause it is all of New Hampshire. It's not like it's limited to the whites. Maybe they figure cause the Bell Map has like the Bell Map patch or

[01:45:41] whatever, whatever already that. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you could do Major, you could do Piper, you could do, um, Bell Nap or gun, I guess Gunstock too, but yeah, we'll see. Cool stuff. And then, um, as far as what I have left on this, Nick, I was just looking at this. So, um, I've done Star King, Square Ledge, Hibbard, Royce, Blueberry, Martha.

[01:46:05] I have not done the ones that I do need to do is Car Mountain, Mount Wolf, Black Mountain and Jackson, and then Iron Mountain. So I think most likely the only one that I would go out of my way to do right now is Iron Mountain. Yeah. I'd kind of agree with you. I've done Martha, Blueberry, Star King, Square Ledge and, uh, Black Mountain. I've been at the ski area. I've never hiked it. Um, but I'll definitely would like to check out a few of those. I think West Royce, uh, to me sounds like a definite,

[01:46:31] uh, place to, to run after and then, uh, definitely Iron Mountain. Right. So anyway, that is our homage to the delisted, uh, summits of the 52 with a view list. And then Nick, we got a couple of search and rescues here, but why don't we hold on those until the next episode? Cause we're just running up on time and then we'll, um, we'll come back in episode 237 and, um, we'll have all kinds of fun topics and probably a guest. Sounds good to me, Mike.

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