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[00:01:06] In der Region of New Hampshire, welcome to the Sounds Like A Search and Rescue Podcast.
[00:01:11] Where we discuss all things related to hiking, and search and rescue in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
[00:01:17] Here are your hosts, Mike and Stomp.
[00:01:41] Hey Stomp, I'm just dropping in for a quick little intro here. How you doing?
[00:01:44] Good man. Merry Christmas.
[00:01:47] Merry Christmas to you too. So we are going to put out a episode of the PUDS podcast.
[00:01:54] So Nick and Josh, our buddies, were nice enough to invite us on an episode of their show.
[00:01:59] So they released this about a week ago, but we're just going to put it out on our feed, right?
[00:02:05] Yeah, that's right. So you can enjoy it. Get the origin story of Mike and Stahl.
[00:02:10] Yeah, that's right. That's right. So I don't think we've ever covered some of the stuff that we covered on this.
[00:02:14] It's like really a little bit more detail about how we met and about the Woodpecker Studio and some other fun stuff.
[00:02:20] And Nick and Josh are great guys to hang out with. So hope you enjoy it.
[00:02:24] And then when are we going to be back? On January 10th, right?
[00:02:27] The 9th or 10th, yes. Yeah. That Friday, the week after.
[00:02:32] Merry Christmas. Happy New Year.
[00:02:33] Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. See you soon.
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[00:04:03] Yeah, no downed trees or inclement weather tonight that are going to put a wrench into our plans.
[00:04:09] That was fun.
[00:04:10] Yeah, it's not allowed.
[00:04:11] Yeah, behind the scenes for our listeners, we tried to record, I don't know, like four or five days ago now.
[00:04:18] And we had some inclement weather, which kind of threw a wrench because the tree actually fell right up the street from us.
[00:04:24] And it took out my cable and I should say internet, cable internet, but the cable internet and more importantly, the electricity until the next morning.
[00:04:33] So needless to say, we had to do a little bit of rescheduling.
[00:04:36] The weather and mother nature was not cooperating with our podcasting schedule, unfortunately.
[00:04:41] It's kind of a problem.
[00:04:42] So here we are.
[00:04:43] We're back.
[00:04:43] It is what it is.
[00:04:43] We're back.
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[00:04:44] We're ready to go.
[00:04:45] And I'm Josh.
[00:05:00] And this is the Puds Podcast.
[00:05:09] What's up, man?
[00:05:11] Nothing much, dude.
[00:05:12] Just getting back and settling in back on the East Coast.
[00:05:15] I was in Las Vegas for a big tech conference on Amazon Web Services Reinvent.
[00:05:21] So it's good to be back on the East Coast.
[00:05:23] Good to have some humidity in my life again.
[00:05:25] It was very, very dry out there.
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[00:05:40] Yeah, but it worked very well out there.
[00:05:44] Went into that sphere thing and saw a show.
[00:05:46] So that was cool.
[00:05:47] And kind of recapping back to sort of after Thanksgiving.
[00:05:50] Before I left, I got out for a couple hikes around Jamestown and Newport in Rhode Island
[00:05:55] with Ryland.
[00:05:56] So that was cool.
[00:05:56] We went over to Beaver Tail and Satchewas Point Wildlife Refuge.
[00:05:59] So really cool local little hikes if you're in the area and wanted to get by the ocean
[00:06:03] and the seaside.
[00:06:04] So we had a lot of fun.
[00:06:05] A lot of fun.
[00:06:06] Nice.
[00:06:06] What's up with you, dude?
[00:06:08] Not much, man.
[00:06:09] I feel like that Las Vegas Dome has been like a huge pop culture thing.
[00:06:13] Oh, the sphere?
[00:06:14] That's kind of cool that you get to see that.
[00:06:16] Yeah, that sphere.
[00:06:17] Yeah.
[00:06:17] Yeah.
[00:06:18] So it was good to see that.
[00:06:20] Maybe some people saw through my Instagram stories.
[00:06:23] But I think I did one post.
[00:06:24] But so that sphere thing, too.
[00:06:26] It's basically like I would describe it as an IMAX theory on steroids inside.
[00:06:30] It was really neat.
[00:06:31] I don't know how tall it is.
[00:06:32] It's got to be like at least, I don't know, 300 feet tall, something like that.
[00:06:36] It's a good size.
[00:06:37] And the outside of it's completely covered with LEDs.
[00:06:39] And it has all different animations and stuff like videos of like from like the Rockettes
[00:06:44] dancing to like every morning.
[00:06:47] It basically lit up like a glowing ball of fire for like the sun.
[00:06:51] Yeah, it was kind of.
[00:06:52] Yeah.
[00:06:53] For my hotel room, it was nice.
[00:06:54] You could actually see the sunrise every morning.
[00:06:56] And then the sphere was sort of out in the corner.
[00:06:58] So it was keeping me entertained when I was back in my room for limited periods of time.
[00:07:03] Yeah, it was.
[00:07:03] I think one of my favorite ones, too, was after the sun rose, it was this little yellow
[00:07:07] smiley.
[00:07:08] And then he'd like whip out a little cup of coffee and start sipping on it.
[00:07:11] So it was pretty funny.
[00:07:13] Yeah, that was.
[00:07:13] That was pretty.
[00:07:14] I didn't know how big of a thing it is.
[00:07:16] Yeah.
[00:07:17] You're going to share those pictures out some more for this episode.
[00:07:20] But yeah, that was.
[00:07:21] It is a big thing.
[00:07:22] Like, yeah, the social media is love the love the sphere.
[00:07:29] I was just going to say, unfortunately, I didn't get to see like a one of the rock shows
[00:07:33] there because I know you two had a residency, I guess you would say, there for maybe like
[00:07:37] a year and they have a film that was filmed there.
[00:07:39] I guess there's all special recording equipment they use for music and video to be able to like
[00:07:43] project it.
[00:07:44] But that actually wasn't until like one of the later nights, which I just couldn't do because
[00:07:48] we had a vendor thing.
[00:07:49] And then the Eagles were playing there on Friday night, but that's when I left.
[00:07:53] So I didn't catch that.
[00:07:54] But we did to go see like their stock show that was called Postcard from Earth, which was
[00:07:57] really, really cool.
[00:07:58] And I recommend it.
[00:07:59] It was a little pricey, but considering like water was like seven or eight dollars for
[00:08:03] like a 32 ounce thing of water, it really wasn't bad to pay like 90 bucks or whatever
[00:08:07] for a ticket to go see a show.
[00:08:09] So it was pretty reasonable from that standpoint.
[00:08:11] But yeah, man, that's funny, dude.
[00:08:13] That's funny.
[00:08:14] Yeah, I got a we got the fit.
[00:08:18] We took the family to first off to go see Santa Santa's house over in Bristol.
[00:08:28] We're in full we're in full Christmas mode over here.
[00:08:31] So we're here.
[00:08:33] We are.
[00:08:33] We are coming shoulders deep, dude.
[00:08:36] Shoulders deep in Christmas.
[00:08:37] I think I might be neck deep in Christmas.
[00:08:39] Yeah.
[00:08:42] But yeah, man, I know I talked about it before, but this the Bristol Santa house we go to every
[00:08:49] year for the past like three years or so.
[00:08:52] I think it's only been around three years.
[00:08:54] So we've been going since they first got started.
[00:08:58] But we we went to it again this year and it's it's an awesome, awesome house that they put
[00:09:07] together.
[00:09:08] It's basically in the middle of this park and it's put on by this nonprofit organization.
[00:09:18] So it's all it's all funded by donations.
[00:09:21] And I think the proceeds go to I think it's like the John Riley foundation or something
[00:09:27] like that.
[00:09:27] OK, basically helps kids with I think maybe I think a handicapped children and might help
[00:09:33] out.
[00:09:34] I know there's a big push for that.
[00:09:36] And yeah, this Santa that they have there is incredible, dude.
[00:09:40] He's decked out.
[00:09:41] He's just so legit.
[00:09:43] I mean, I've seen pictures from previous years when you've gone there, but it looks like I
[00:09:48] don't know.
[00:09:49] It looks really good.
[00:09:50] Now, he's it like it just looks authentic.
[00:09:52] It looks like he could be Santa like if he's an exceptionally good looking Santa.
[00:09:56] Yeah, he's phenomenal.
[00:09:58] And not only does he like dress the part and look the part and he just acts the part to
[00:10:03] like he's just he's just like very kind and and he listens to the kids and has like
[00:10:10] a full conversation with the kids and ask them what they want.
[00:10:14] Like before he even has them sit and tell him what he wants for Christmas.
[00:10:17] Like he has he has like a full conversation with them, find talks to them and like really
[00:10:23] just makes them comfortable.
[00:10:24] And then they do that whole part of asking what he wants, what they want for Christmas
[00:10:29] and all that.
[00:10:30] So.
[00:10:32] So it does take a little bit longer.
[00:10:34] Like I think there was only like 10 families in front of us on the night that we
[00:10:39] Is it by appointment or?
[00:10:42] Yeah, I'll throw a link to this in the show notes too.
[00:10:45] If there's anybody in the area that wants to check it out.
[00:10:46] Yeah, they do appointments, but they filled up pretty quick.
[00:10:49] So we had we had to go to when it was like walk ins available.
[00:10:55] And yeah, there was like 10 families ahead of us, but it took us like an hour and a half
[00:10:58] to get in there to see Santa.
[00:11:00] So.
[00:11:00] So, but yeah, it's worth it because once you get in there, it's a magical, well decorated
[00:11:10] interior and that Santa's great.
[00:11:13] He takes his time with the kids.
[00:11:14] There's no rush.
[00:11:15] And then people in there will take the pictures.
[00:11:17] They take the pictures of you and your family.
[00:11:19] If you provide them your phone or whatever.
[00:11:21] And it's like the best thing you could do for free.
[00:11:24] I see all these people going to malls and and Bass Pro Shop and all these places to take
[00:11:29] pictures with Santa and pay to take these pictures.
[00:11:32] And they're like terrible.
[00:11:34] Like this is the best.
[00:11:35] This is the best like Santa experience you could have.
[00:11:38] And it's free.
[00:11:39] So it's I highly recommend it.
[00:11:42] Yeah, that's pretty neat, man.
[00:11:44] You'll want to check it out at some point.
[00:11:46] Yeah, so we we did that and we do they do a Bristol Christmas Festival every year, which
[00:11:52] is which is really cool.
[00:11:54] So that was this past weekend.
[00:11:58] So we took we we checked that out and we do it every year.
[00:12:02] There's a bunch of different vendors.
[00:12:03] I got a bunch of different food and we make our own wreath there every year, which is an
[00:12:08] absolute steal because it's like 15 bucks for the wreath.
[00:12:12] And that's that's cheap.
[00:12:13] I feel like it's nowadays.
[00:12:14] It's like 30, 40 bucks for a good wreath.
[00:12:17] I didn't realize it.
[00:12:18] I didn't realize it until we went to a tree farm like later.
[00:12:22] And I'm like, wow, we like make out every year.
[00:12:25] It's like 15 bucks.
[00:12:26] There's all kinds of stuff you can decorate it with.
[00:12:28] And then, yeah, we just hang it up every year.
[00:12:31] So, yeah, they have all kinds of stuff like that.
[00:12:35] Stuff for the kids, like food, mulled wine, stuff like that.
[00:12:40] Like different different vendors and different people selling like their crafts and things.
[00:12:47] So, yeah, it's a it's really fun.
[00:12:50] It's really cool, man.
[00:12:51] So check it out.
[00:12:52] Bristol, Bristol Christmas Festival, Bristol Santa House, all cool stuff.
[00:12:56] Yeah, we'll link them in case you want to check them out.
[00:12:58] And on the topic, we did we did go get our Christmas tree over the weekend, like Saturday
[00:13:02] after I got back.
[00:13:03] So that was a lot of fun.
[00:13:04] That was a lot of fun.
[00:13:05] And yeah, shout out to J&L Landscaping and Seekonk.
[00:13:08] I always have it seems like they have more affordable prices, like because I mentioned
[00:13:11] to you that it was like 60 bucks for our tree.
[00:13:13] And you're like, wow, it was only 60 bucks, which I still think is expensive.
[00:13:16] But I know some like the other farm we used to go to in Swansea, which I won't shout out
[00:13:21] because I do enjoy them.
[00:13:22] But like their Christmas tree prices were like price gouging.
[00:13:24] But I want to say like the same tree, the same height tree that was more or I guess less
[00:13:29] full or whatever.
[00:13:30] I feel like the last year we got there was like almost 90 bucks.
[00:13:32] And at that point I was like, yeah, I'm usually throwing the guy like 20 bucks for fresh
[00:13:36] cuts or something too, because it's Christmas.
[00:13:37] And we got my mom's tree too.
[00:13:40] I just throw them in the back of our truck and we drive over there.
[00:13:43] So yeah, man, it was, it was good to get that, get that done.
[00:13:46] Feeling Christmassy looking Christmassy down here.
[00:13:48] I got a fake tree in the studio in black cat studio.
[00:13:51] So I know you got the two trees going.
[00:13:53] You got two trees going.
[00:13:55] Yeah.
[00:13:55] Yeah.
[00:13:55] We got it, dude.
[00:13:57] We're dual treeing, dual treeing.
[00:13:59] That's why I said I'm neck deep in Christmas right now.
[00:14:03] So before we move on to the next music moment, I did have a little bit of hiking related news.
[00:14:07] Unfortunately, I feel like we had, I guess, some bad news on the last podcast too, sort
[00:14:12] of an intro in regards to hiking.
[00:14:13] But there's been a hiker lost in the Adirondacks.
[00:14:16] And as of a few days ago, they actually changed it into a sort of limited continuous search and
[00:14:22] they shifted it to a recovery.
[00:14:24] So I guess there was a French Canadian hiker, Leo Defour, only 22 years old.
[00:14:29] So that's super sad.
[00:14:31] He had been lost since December 1st.
[00:14:33] I guess his father reported him missing when he was overdue around 2.30 a.m. on the 1st.
[00:14:39] I guess he originally signed into the Mount Adams trailhead on Friday, November 29th.
[00:14:43] So the Friday right after Thanksgiving, he was looking to do a solo single day trip out to
[00:14:48] Mount Allen, which is one of the longest hikes mileage wise in terms of the Adirondack 46 high
[00:14:53] peaks.
[00:14:54] It's about 18 miles around trip, I believe.
[00:14:56] And part of it is a more or less like a bushwhack.
[00:14:59] It's probably following herd paths.
[00:15:01] I haven't been out there myself yet.
[00:15:02] It's one of those ones that I still get to get to that I'm not particularly probably looking
[00:15:05] forward to because I don't think it's really good views.
[00:15:08] But super unfortunate situation.
[00:15:10] I think they recovered like a water bottle around 3,500 feet, but didn't really see much
[00:15:15] of them.
[00:15:15] And I guess they just can't find them.
[00:15:17] And I mean, it kind of just shows to how big that wilderness is out there and how remote
[00:15:21] some of those places are in the Adirondack Park.
[00:15:24] So our thoughts are with his family.
[00:15:26] And again, tough time of year for something like this to happen.
[00:15:29] I mean, you never know.
[00:15:30] But at this point, again, like it's a recovery for someone to be out there that long and not
[00:15:35] find them is it's pretty bleak, to say the least.
[00:15:38] And it sounds like he was prepared.
[00:15:39] He was experienced.
[00:15:41] Sometimes things go wrong, but hopefully they can recover at some point and get them home,
[00:15:48] to say the least.
[00:15:49] But it's a sad situation.
[00:15:51] Yeah.
[00:15:51] Let's hope so.
[00:15:52] It's kind of crazy, but you can always hold out hope.
[00:15:57] Yep.
[00:15:58] Agreed.
[00:15:59] All right.
[00:16:00] You want to get into the...
[00:16:00] I can't say Nick's Music Moment tonight.
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[00:18:43] So for tonight's Nick's music moment, I have another band that I found through the Sirius
[00:18:47] XMU channel, which I believe is Sirius XM's sort of an indie music college radio station
[00:18:53] vibe kind of channel.
[00:18:54] But they have some good stuff occasionally.
[00:18:58] And this album is called Dulling the Horns by the band Wild Pink.
[00:19:02] Just came out in 2024.
[00:19:03] So Wild Pink, I couldn't find a ton of information on them.
[00:19:07] Again, I don't think they're super popular.
[00:19:08] They do have a couple albums in their catalog.
[00:19:10] But they're an American indie rock band from New York City.
[00:19:13] Sounds like maybe a couple guys from a couple different boroughs of New York City.
[00:19:18] So fairly local.
[00:19:20] I mean, even here in New York, they're close enough.
[00:19:23] Interesting kind of blend.
[00:19:25] Yeah, close enough.
[00:19:26] Interesting blend of music.
[00:19:29] I don't know.
[00:19:30] It's like a lot of people were...
[00:19:31] I was curious to see what people classify them as.
[00:19:34] But a lot of it's just like Americana rock is kind of the thing that I was coming up with.
[00:19:37] But with this album in particular, a lot of fuzzy, distorted guitars and sort of recurring riffs.
[00:19:44] Very interesting lyrics that the singer or the guy that's writing the music has.
[00:19:48] They're very candid.
[00:19:51] Interesting blend of the vocals that go with those sort of the whole vibe and the lyrics and everything, too.
[00:19:57] And I really think this dude...
[00:19:58] I should have looked up his name.
[00:20:00] But he's like a blend between a Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen and a Bruce Hornsby.
[00:20:04] I was listening to him and I know that's kind of like a weird all over the map.
[00:20:07] But if you listen to how this dude sings and some of his lyrics, you'd get it.
[00:20:12] It's just interesting.
[00:20:13] I really think it's an album worth checking out.
[00:20:16] Some of my favorite songs off it are Disintegrate, Sprinter Brain, and the title track Dulling the Horns.
[00:20:22] Just something different.
[00:20:24] Recommend them if you're kind of into that kind of Americana sort of rock or if you just like fuzzy guitars and stuff sort of like I do.
[00:20:32] Yeah.
[00:20:33] Wild Pink.
[00:20:34] Check them out.
[00:20:34] And I thought their band name was cool.
[00:20:35] Like Wild Pink definitely.
[00:20:36] It just sounds cool.
[00:20:38] Sounds like an indie rock band for sure.
[00:20:40] It definitely does.
[00:20:42] We got any Josh?
[00:20:43] Any Josh's Jazzy tonight?
[00:20:45] Yeah.
[00:20:46] Just all Christmas music.
[00:20:50] Just all Christmas music?
[00:20:51] Yeah.
[00:20:51] All the time?
[00:20:52] Every Christmas song.
[00:20:53] Fair enough.
[00:20:54] Fair enough.
[00:20:55] Yeah.
[00:20:55] Just dive on in.
[00:20:57] Ariana Grande.
[00:20:58] The best.
[00:21:01] Just saying it to spite me.
[00:21:03] Just doing it to piss Nick off.
[00:21:05] But yeah.
[00:21:05] No.
[00:21:05] I am all in on all Christmas music right now.
[00:21:09] I'm trying to create my own playlist on Spotify so I only get the hits.
[00:21:14] Excellent.
[00:21:15] Excellent.
[00:21:15] I got about 27 songs saved so far.
[00:21:18] We'll see how that continues.
[00:21:21] I think I've listened to the Charlie Brown Vince Giraldi trio album at least 20 times by
[00:21:26] now.
[00:21:27] It's just always like a Christmas tree playing in my head this time of year but like the
[00:21:31] jazzy version of it.
[00:21:33] It's a good way to live.
[00:21:34] Yeah man.
[00:21:35] It's good doing the music.
[00:21:37] Yes it is.
[00:21:39] So yeah.
[00:21:39] We've got a heck of a...
[00:21:42] We've got some great guests coming up tonight that are part of one entity.
[00:21:47] And I realized too where sometimes we delay saying who's on that.
[00:21:50] People are definitely already aware of who's on because they clicked on the episode if they're
[00:21:53] listening to this.
[00:21:54] Unless maybe they click on it and close their eyes or something.
[00:21:57] But yeah.
[00:21:58] But yeah.
[00:21:58] So I'm excited to talk to these guys and let's get into it.
[00:22:02] Me too.
[00:22:03] Let's do that.
[00:22:04] Let's do that.
[00:22:04] We have some special guests on tonight.
[00:22:18] We have a fellow podcasters and White Mountain legends.
[00:22:22] You guys are legends at this point.
[00:22:24] The self-proclaimed Pavarotti of podcasts.
[00:22:27] Slasher podcast.
[00:22:28] Mike and Stomp.
[00:22:29] Stomp is special that's for sure but not in the way you mean.
[00:22:33] Yeah I claim the Pavarotti because of the recent vocal exploits but podcast itself doesn't rise
[00:22:41] to the level of Pavarotti yet I don't think.
[00:22:44] How many downloads is that?
[00:22:47] Yeah that's a good question.
[00:22:51] Welcome on to the show guys.
[00:22:53] I know we've discussed you guys a lot.
[00:22:56] We've talked about you and your show a lot so it's great to finally have you guys on and talk.
[00:23:02] It's actually nice to talk to fellow podcasters too.
[00:23:05] That's kind of you guys were locked and loaded ready to go.
[00:23:09] Yes.
[00:23:10] It's a small but mighty club I guess.
[00:23:14] Yeah.
[00:23:14] Yeah it's awesome.
[00:23:16] Yeah we have several different podcasts throughout the region that are doing the Lord's work here.
[00:23:21] Spreading the good news about safe hiking and everything else.
[00:23:23] It's good to be part of the click here.
[00:23:26] Oh that'd be such a good sticker if you ever had a sticker and on the bottom it just says doing the Lord's work.
[00:23:33] We've got on the back of your pack.
[00:23:35] Doing the Lord's work.
[00:23:37] Is this too much if I wear this with a slasher patch and this on the bottom of it?
[00:23:44] That's great.
[00:23:45] Yeah thanks for having us.
[00:23:47] Yeah thanks for coming on.
[00:23:50] So I mean I'm sure a lot of our listeners know who you guys are but do you guys want to introduce yourselves?
[00:23:56] Stomp do you want to go first?
[00:23:58] Yeah sure.
[00:23:59] My name is Stomp.
[00:24:01] I am the co-host of the Search and Rescue.
[00:24:03] Sounds like a Search and Rescue podcast.
[00:24:07] And I co-host this with Mike weekly.
[00:24:09] We've been doing this for three to four years now.
[00:24:12] I think we're all creeping up on like 180 episodes.
[00:24:15] I live in Thornton.
[00:24:16] I'm a physical therapist.
[00:24:17] I do some volunteer search and rescue on the side.
[00:24:20] And I have three crazy cats and a crazy cat wife.
[00:24:25] And let's see.
[00:24:28] I think that's about...
[00:24:30] Oh I do some dabbling in music.
[00:24:32] And yeah that's about it.
[00:24:33] A little jack of all trades I guess.
[00:24:36] Cool.
[00:24:37] How'd you get the...
[00:24:37] How'd you get the nickname Stomp?
[00:24:40] Oh Stomp Machine goes back like probably about 30 years now.
[00:24:45] It comes out of my roots in music and music production.
[00:24:49] I worked under that name recording singer-songwriters and bands back in Massachusetts down in Salem.
[00:24:57] And I actually had a studio in Salem, Massachusetts.
[00:25:00] It was like a 1200 square foot studio and I used to record in there and it was under the name Stomp Machine.
[00:25:07] And then for our purposes Mike and I decided it would be best if I just kept the pseudonym to try to keep my activities with SAR sort of separate and distinct.
[00:25:17] So we went with Stomp.
[00:25:19] Just a...
[00:25:20] Yeah.
[00:25:20] Cool.
[00:25:21] Yeah.
[00:25:21] Cool.
[00:25:22] Pretty cool.
[00:25:23] That is cool.
[00:25:24] Yeah.
[00:25:24] And I never actually have acquired a cool trail name to use.
[00:25:29] So I just had to go with Mike.
[00:25:31] Well, I think it won't...
[00:25:32] I'm still...
[00:25:32] We were talking about Microspike, remember?
[00:25:35] We were talking about Microspike.
[00:25:37] There was another...
[00:25:38] I mean, Jimmy Chaga had a few good ones, but I've never really had a trail name that landed.
[00:25:45] Yeah.
[00:25:45] I feel like that's something that has to be bestowed upon you too.
[00:25:48] Oh, 100%.
[00:25:50] Yeah.
[00:25:51] Yeah.
[00:25:51] So anyway, but I'm Mike.
[00:25:52] Thanks for having me on.
[00:25:55] So what am I supposed to do?
[00:25:56] Introduce myself?
[00:25:57] Yeah.
[00:25:57] Just introduce.
[00:25:58] Yes.
[00:25:58] Yeah.
[00:25:59] All right.
[00:25:59] So it's so weird for me.
[00:26:00] Usually I'm worried about the script and what's the next question I'm going to ask?
[00:26:04] You're like, what do I do?
[00:26:05] Yeah.
[00:26:05] I'm just showing up.
[00:26:06] It's fantastic.
[00:26:07] I love this.
[00:26:07] But anyway, yeah.
[00:26:08] So I'm one half of the Sounds Like a Search and Rescue podcast.
[00:26:11] So if you're not familiar with the podcast, our tagline is all things hiking and search
[00:26:17] and rescue in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
[00:26:19] So yeah, we have this little podcast we've been doing for the last few years.
[00:26:23] Me and Stomp have known each other for a long time.
[00:26:26] We'll probably talk about how we met later.
[00:26:28] But we've been hiking friends and we had a little crew of friends that got together to
[00:26:33] do hiking over the years.
[00:26:35] And at some point, I always had a long commute.
[00:26:40] And I live in Amesbury, Mass.
[00:26:42] I work in Cambridge.
[00:26:43] So typically an hour and a half to two hour commute one way was not unusual for me, especially
[00:26:50] going home.
[00:26:51] So I listened to a lot of talk radio over the years.
[00:26:53] And I've went through phases.
[00:26:54] I've always been a Howard Stern fan.
[00:26:56] I've always sort of been into sports radio, gotten into political talk a little bit over
[00:27:01] the years back and forth.
[00:27:03] But mostly just like sort of talk radio, general sports stuff.
[00:27:07] And I always thought that like it would be cool to have a podcast that focused on information
[00:27:12] about the White Mountains and hiking.
[00:27:14] And I always had an interest in search and rescue.
[00:27:18] So there wasn't really anything out there.
[00:27:20] There was a couple of podcasts like that.
[00:27:21] The guy, Kyle hates hiking.
[00:27:23] He had trail tales.
[00:27:25] But I think that that was a little bit like his schedule's a little, it's not consistent.
[00:27:30] So you never knew when things were coming out.
[00:27:32] So we had talked about just putting this podcast together.
[00:27:36] And yeah, we talked about it for probably two years.
[00:27:39] And then finally with COVID, we got it together, recorded a couple of shows.
[00:27:42] It was horrible.
[00:27:43] You guys probably know the deal.
[00:27:45] You know, you do your first show.
[00:27:46] You don't have any timing.
[00:27:48] You're stomping on.
[00:27:49] You're stepping all over each other.
[00:27:51] And we had to rerecord a couple of times.
[00:27:53] And yeah, it took us probably 20 to 25 episodes to get our sort of timing and flow down.
[00:28:00] And ever since then, it's, you know, we're not, I don't think every show is perfect,
[00:28:03] but we try to put out something that's interesting and entertaining.
[00:28:07] So.
[00:28:08] Yeah.
[00:28:08] Yeah.
[00:28:08] I mean, I think you guys are definitely succeeding with that to say the least,
[00:28:11] but I definitely get what you mean too, where it's like, it feels weird at first.
[00:28:14] Like even I'll say to the first, we're still getting, we're not as used to it as you
[00:28:19] guys, but getting guests that we haven't met in person before and then kind of meeting
[00:28:22] them over video.
[00:28:23] Like, I feel like that's a whole vibe too, as well, or it's been super easy with some
[00:28:27] people inside.
[00:28:27] Not that we've had any bad guests, but it just, it, the conversation flows easier sometimes
[00:28:31] with certain individuals than it does with other people.
[00:28:34] Like we found.
[00:28:34] Sure.
[00:28:35] Have you guys had like in-person guests?
[00:28:37] Cause that's a whole other world too.
[00:28:39] In-person is a different dynamic than streaming.
[00:28:42] Yeah.
[00:28:43] We had, we've had a few actually.
[00:28:45] Not people we haven't known though.
[00:28:47] Like we've had my, we've had my friend.
[00:28:49] Yeah.
[00:28:49] Oh yeah.
[00:28:49] That's true.
[00:28:50] Yeah.
[00:28:50] I mean, yeah.
[00:28:51] I mean, there's been a couple of people that I hadn't met before that have come here,
[00:28:54] but not that many by far and few, like, um, some of Josh's friends that came on and
[00:28:58] the way the in-person ones are always interesting too, where it's like, I'm, I kind of try to try
[00:29:03] not to like, I want to let people talk, but I'm like, can you please like talk into the
[00:29:05] microphone?
[00:29:06] Like we have the mic in front of you.
[00:29:07] Like we've had before people like look away like that for a second and you're like, oh,
[00:29:11] it happens.
[00:29:11] Yeah.
[00:29:12] Yeah.
[00:29:12] Yeah.
[00:29:13] It happens all the time.
[00:29:14] Yeah.
[00:29:14] It's sort of crazy.
[00:29:14] Cause I've had some, either they could be ax murderers or just really nice hikers.
[00:29:21] You just never know.
[00:29:23] Yeah.
[00:29:24] Yeah.
[00:29:24] That's a little, I think more times than not, we, you can sort of feel as you start talking
[00:29:29] to people.
[00:29:30] So a lot of times like Stomp does a lot of the work in getting guests and, you know, we'll
[00:29:34] just pick basically interesting people, reach out to them, see if they want to come on and
[00:29:38] we don't do a lot of prep.
[00:29:39] We'll give a script.
[00:29:40] And generally I'd say like 95% of the time, the people are interesting.
[00:29:45] They do really well.
[00:29:46] And the conversation just flows.
[00:29:48] And you know, you've got 5% of the time where we struggle a little bit, it's not that
[00:29:51] big of a deal.
[00:29:52] We can, you know, edit it out or, um, make it work.
[00:29:56] So it's, it's always appreciative of people that want to come on.
[00:29:59] Yeah.
[00:29:59] I think, so like you said before, you guys have figured out like your cadence, you figured
[00:30:04] out a lot of those things.
[00:30:06] And it's a lot of through the trial and errors of just kind of going and doing it.
[00:30:09] Like, I still think at times we're trying instead of like to let conversation happen
[00:30:16] naturally.
[00:30:17] Sometimes we're like, all right, we got to make sure we get these questions in.
[00:30:21] So we keep this flowing.
[00:30:22] We keep it moving.
[00:30:23] And we don't have to like, we're not starving for content or we're not using dead air or
[00:30:28] things like that to try to figure things out.
[00:30:30] And it's, it is a lot of trial and error to, to get to that point that you guys have gotten
[00:30:33] to, you guys have, you guys are doing great.
[00:30:35] You guys are crushing it.
[00:30:37] Yeah.
[00:30:38] Stomp, matter of fact, Stomp, you used to do that.
[00:30:39] Remember you would like force dead air on me to make me uncomfortable.
[00:30:43] Yeah.
[00:30:44] Yeah.
[00:30:44] Yeah.
[00:30:44] It's so funny.
[00:30:45] It's one of those editing decisions to where, oh, should I leave that dead space in there
[00:30:50] or should I get rid of it?
[00:30:53] Yeah.
[00:30:54] Dead air is a riot.
[00:30:55] I'm with you, Mike.
[00:30:55] Yeah.
[00:30:56] Like it can either fall on the comedic end or be really bad.
[00:31:03] It kills me dead air.
[00:31:04] I can't, I have to, I like, for some reason I just am driven to like keep the conversation
[00:31:09] going.
[00:31:10] Like every second counts to me.
[00:31:13] Well, I feel like a lot of times, like our typically when we do an intro, like I know
[00:31:16] Josh is just going to jump in before I do.
[00:31:18] Cause I'll just sit there and it's funny to watch you.
[00:31:20] Like I'm like, I wonder how, how long is he going to wait before he says something
[00:31:22] to break up the silence.
[00:31:24] Okay.
[00:31:24] And usually it's something mundane, like you're talking about like, oh, I'm wearing this
[00:31:26] fuzzy comfy hoodie or something.
[00:31:28] We're going to be like, oh, you're going to be like, oh, wow.
[00:31:46] clear what is important to us and what our brand also does.
[00:32:17] I had some background, at least in being able to mix music, not nothing like Stomp producing
[00:32:21] music professionally, but tinkering by myself.
[00:32:24] So we had microphones and all this stuff.
[00:32:25] And it was a similar back and forth to cut it short where Josh was like, oh, we should
[00:32:29] do a podcast.
[00:32:30] But generally, I feel like it's I do pretty much all the mixing, editing.
[00:32:34] Josh is starting to throw together some YouTube videos that we throw up now, now that
[00:32:38] we've been recording it through StreamYard.
[00:32:39] And I feel like it's been it's kind of a mix of in terms of I feel like we sort of found
[00:32:45] our way eventually to become more of a hiking podcast, probably because that's kind of one
[00:32:48] of my bigger hobbies and everything that I like and I'm pretty passionate about.
[00:32:52] But we definitely have like that's that's kind of where our slogan comes from of like
[00:32:56] everything you talk about while hiking and sort of a podcast about hiking to give us that
[00:33:00] free reign of like we can have random topics like we did, like the Apple Music top 100 albums
[00:33:06] or whatever kind of episode where Josh had ideas for that.
[00:33:08] So it's I think it's a mix of like guests or maybe people I know that we've had and then
[00:33:12] some topics that like we both find interesting.
[00:33:15] And I think we both have gotten better to it.
[00:33:17] Like, I feel like we used to not use notes at all.
[00:33:19] And we're kind of in the field after I think it was kind of really after I probably went
[00:33:22] on the podcast on Slasher that time and I saw sort of how Mike had a script.
[00:33:26] And like, I feel like it could be helpful to just throw notes down every once in a while,
[00:33:29] especially if we're talking about like I was doing like my trip to Joshua Tree stuff like
[00:33:33] that.
[00:33:34] I'm like, there's no way I could just recite all that off the top of my head or it's going
[00:33:36] to sound rambly.
[00:33:37] So we try to we try to organize a little bit.
[00:33:40] But I guess that's sort of how things are arranged in terms of how we put these out.
[00:33:44] Yeah.
[00:33:45] What Nick's trying to say is he does all the work and I just show up and talk.
[00:33:53] No, you do.
[00:33:54] You do work.
[00:33:56] Yeah.
[00:33:57] That's too funny.
[00:33:59] That's too funny.
[00:34:00] So it's been it was it's been yeah, it's been a lot of fun for us.
[00:34:04] Like this is not like like you said before, Mike, you guys kind of had a general idea of
[00:34:10] where what you guys wanted to do when you were starting this podcast.
[00:34:14] We kind of just were like, let's sit down in front of these mics and let's just have a
[00:34:18] conversation and see see what happens and see if there's anything interesting that comes
[00:34:22] out of it.
[00:34:22] And we just kept we just did it.
[00:34:24] We just kept doing it until we kind of like found the groove that we're we're in now,
[00:34:30] which has been great.
[00:34:32] And yeah, it's it's still a lot of learning as we go along and and seeing what works,
[00:34:37] what doesn't and what resonates with people and what doesn't.
[00:34:41] So no, it's it's been it's been great.
[00:34:43] And for you guys, you guys kind of started as like a what are you guys like a Facebook
[00:34:48] page or slash like a Facebook page before you guys.
[00:34:52] I had nothing to do with.
[00:34:53] I mean, yeah, yeah.
[00:34:55] Yeah.
[00:34:55] So upon that.
[00:34:57] Yeah.
[00:34:57] So our origin story essentially we had so stop and I had been friends.
[00:35:04] We met through a message board for ride share for the Mount Washington road race and we had
[00:35:12] become friends.
[00:35:13] I think we ran it was either the 2011 or 2013 Mount Washington road race.
[00:35:18] One of those years.
[00:35:20] And I was not a hiker at that time and I don't think Stomp was I mean, Stomp had more hiking
[00:35:24] interest, but he wasn't.
[00:35:25] Yeah, it was it was dormant.
[00:35:27] Yeah, it was dormant.
[00:35:29] And so anyway, we became friends through the Mount Washington road race.
[00:35:33] And I think for I think we did like two or three races.
[00:35:36] And then I was probably around 2015 that I had I had been really I'd spent five years really
[00:35:47] on this mission to qualify for the Boston Marathon.
[00:35:49] And I had trained I'd been injured multiple times and I just didn't it just wasn't working
[00:35:55] for me.
[00:35:55] I had I had hit the 20 mile mark in the Newport Marathon in two hours, 30 minutes.
[00:36:00] And I was like, guaranteed I'm going to qualify this year and it'll be great.
[00:36:03] And then 20 miles in my calf blew up complete.
[00:36:08] I basically had to walk the last six miles took me an hour.
[00:36:10] So it's just crushing.
[00:36:12] So I basically came to the realization that like my body's just not built to run a qualifying
[00:36:19] time without getting injured.
[00:36:20] So I kept getting injured.
[00:36:21] So I was like, I got to find something else.
[00:36:22] So I remember Mount Washington.
[00:36:25] I thought it was cool being up there.
[00:36:26] So I decided to go hiking.
[00:36:28] My first hike was Glen, Glen Boulder to Mount Washington.
[00:36:31] I didn't I looked at a map and I was like, I'll just go up this Glen Boulder and get to
[00:36:34] Mount Washington.
[00:36:35] Tuckerman, which was a beast of a hike, but I was in pretty good shape back then.
[00:36:39] Yeah.
[00:36:40] So after that, I think I did like a winter overnight with some local friends of mine.
[00:36:45] We did, we did Grey Knob and Adams.
[00:36:47] And then somehow I think me and Stomp had connected.
[00:36:51] I had done a solo hike on Mount Lafayette and this is in like December.
[00:36:56] And then I think me and Stomp connected and he was going, he had gotten into winter hiking
[00:37:01] or hiking somehow.
[00:37:02] And he had connected with a bunch of these people that were in the hiking.
[00:37:06] So him and Jimmy Chaga, I met up with them.
[00:37:09] I'd never met Jimmy at the time.
[00:37:11] And then we went out and we did.
[00:37:12] Matter of fact, we did Glen Boulder to isolation.
[00:37:15] And then Jimmy's girlfriend had done a car spot for us.
[00:37:19] So we went out Rocky Branch.
[00:37:22] It was an awesome day.
[00:37:23] The weather was amazing.
[00:37:24] So me and Stomp had kind of connected from the perspective of hiking at that point where
[00:37:29] it had always been about running.
[00:37:32] And Stomp somehow had met this group of like people that were involved in this Facebook group,
[00:37:37] the obnoxious hikers, which I think people that are listening, like there's these like,
[00:37:41] there's a bunch of these uncensored hiking groups.
[00:37:43] So the obnoxious hikers was one of these like uncensored groups that I think what was happening
[00:37:51] is that the moderators in one of the 4,000 footer groups was getting too heavy handed.
[00:37:55] And what ends up happening is when you have a heavy handed moderator, they will, you know,
[00:38:01] suspend people or kick them out.
[00:38:02] So then people created this group called the obnoxious hikers.
[00:38:05] And somehow Stomp was involved in this group.
[00:38:08] And then as happens in these groups, the obnoxious hikers, I think there was some conflict amongst
[00:38:14] the members and they're all, it was all about hiking basically, but like, it was still like a
[00:38:18] lot of like, um, disagreeable personality.
[00:38:22] So they all sort of found their way out of the 4,000 footer group to the obnoxious hiker
[00:38:26] group.
[00:38:27] And then that group started fighting.
[00:38:30] And then there was another group called the hiking hooligans.
[00:38:33] And that's where Stomp was in this group.
[00:38:35] And it was like maybe a couple of hundred people.
[00:38:37] And it's all, it's a lot of the common names that you'll see that have been around for
[00:38:42] a long time hiking in the white.
[00:38:43] So anyway, we got to know all those people.
[00:38:46] And then that group inevitably had conflict because ultimately like this is a bunch of
[00:38:50] people that are high conflict personalities that like to hike.
[00:38:55] And, um, I sort of, I, you know, I, you know, it was, it was enjoyable and funny in the
[00:39:00] beginning.
[00:39:02] And, you know, you're sort of in the situation, you feel like, oh, I'm within this
[00:39:05] group of people.
[00:39:06] And they're like these awesome hikers.
[00:39:07] And you think like in terms of like, you're somehow above other people, which you're really
[00:39:11] not.
[00:39:12] So I sort of stepped away from that.
[00:39:14] Um, but I still kept in touch with a lot of those folks.
[00:39:17] And, um, I decided to, during that time I had become interested in search and rescue.
[00:39:22] There was an incident that had happened with a guy from my town who had been hiking with
[00:39:28] his sons.
[00:39:29] He had, um, got split up from his sons on Mount Washington and had got lost on the jewel trail.
[00:39:36] And the news article that came out about that incident was that this person had been abandoned
[00:39:41] on the trail by his sons and he had almost died.
[00:39:44] Right.
[00:39:44] Basically he had hypothermia and, uh, they, they rescued him and found him.
[00:39:47] So I was always fascinated about search and rescue because of that.
[00:39:50] I was like, that's the craziest story ever that your sons would leave you on a mountain
[00:39:54] to die.
[00:39:56] So I was fascinated about it.
[00:39:57] And then anytime a search and rescue event would come up, people would talk about how
[00:40:01] like, Oh, search and rescues are, are like so crazy right now.
[00:40:07] And it's growing.
[00:40:07] And I was like, is it really growing?
[00:40:08] And I tried to find some data on it because in my real life, I'm a data geek and I couldn't
[00:40:13] really find a lot of information about it.
[00:40:15] So I just started collecting news reports and I put them on a spreadsheet and then I was
[00:40:20] like, I'll just collect this.
[00:40:21] And then I'll know at the end of the year, how many search and rescues there are.
[00:40:26] So eventually I decided, I was like, I'm going to start.
[00:40:28] And we used to joke around.
[00:40:29] We'd be like, you know, someone would post on one of the 4,000 footer groups and they'd
[00:40:32] say like, Oh, I'm going to hike Mount Washington in January, but I've never hiked before.
[00:40:36] I'm going to go up Tuckerman.
[00:40:37] And we would joke around and say like, Oh, it sounds like a search and rescue is going
[00:40:41] to happen.
[00:40:42] So, um, I created this Facebook group called sounds like a search and rescue.
[00:40:48] And, um, it was like, you know, same group of people had sort of gravitated to it.
[00:40:52] But over time I was like, I was kind of over the nonsense and I was just more interested
[00:40:57] in using it as a place to sort of talk about search and rescue.
[00:41:00] But I also came from a mindset of, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to be a babysitter
[00:41:06] online and I'm not going to moderate or kick people out because that causes more conflict.
[00:41:11] Me being the naive idiot that I am, I was like, well, I can just basically tell people that
[00:41:15] they're responsible for their own behavior and I'm not going to police people.
[00:41:20] And inevitably like that just doesn't work.
[00:41:22] And I wasn't willing to continue.
[00:41:25] I wasn't willing to be a police officer.
[00:41:27] So ultimately like the, the site got taken over by a bunch of people that had, you know,
[00:41:31] they continually posted a bunch of nonsense.
[00:41:33] It's not related to hiking.
[00:41:35] And then I said, you know what, I don't have time for this anymore.
[00:41:37] And it's not, it's not something I'm interested in.
[00:41:40] And then, you know, we had started the podcast and I had wanted to include search and rescue
[00:41:44] as part of the podcast.
[00:41:46] So ultimately that's, um, that's why we decided to use that name.
[00:41:51] And, um, the more it's more so become a hiking podcast, but we still keep the search and rescue.
[00:41:56] And, you know, we do want to talk about that quite a bit, but anyway, that's a long sort
[00:42:00] of origin story, but hopefully, hopefully people find that interesting.
[00:42:04] And that's sort of the whole, I think it's cool.
[00:42:05] Cause I, I definitely remember when that group was like, people would tag it when, yeah, you'd
[00:42:09] have like, you'd have a person be like, Oh, like, should I hike Mount Washington tomorrow?
[00:42:13] And be like negative 55 wind chill and like supposed to be snowing.
[00:42:16] And like someone would throw up like a comment, like sounds like a search and rescue.
[00:42:18] Like I do remember seeing that on, on there a bit, but, uh, but I was curious always how
[00:42:24] it came from sort of that moniker into the podcast and whatnot.
[00:42:27] Yeah.
[00:42:28] And I think that there's a little bit, I've talked about this before that, um, it's a little
[00:42:33] embarrassing to me that I sort of put that mindset of, um, thinking that one thing I've
[00:42:41] learned after talking to hundreds of people and thinking about this is like, there's absolutely,
[00:42:45] you could do everything right and still end up in a situation where you're in trouble.
[00:42:49] So to me, it's a little bit of an embarrassment that, um, you know, I had that mindset previously
[00:42:55] around like, Oh, this couldn't happen to me.
[00:42:58] And I can joke around about these things.
[00:42:59] And, you know, I've talked to enough people now and I've grown up enough over the years
[00:43:03] to sort of understand that it's not most of the time when it comes to search and rescue
[00:43:08] situations, it's, um, there's no ill intent and there are negligent situations, but in,
[00:43:15] in most cases, it's just bad luck.
[00:43:18] That's a good point.
[00:43:19] That's a really good point.
[00:43:20] Yeah.
[00:43:21] I think you got, I mean, even in light of, I mean, some of the recent events, even like
[00:43:24] you guys have sort of covered that, the one behind copper, like copper mine coal, that
[00:43:28] sort of just happened that whole search and rescue.
[00:43:30] And then, um, the one that's on the Adirondacks with that, that young guy, um, from Canada
[00:43:34] that would actually got lost that they haven't found him on Allen, but I mean, all prepared
[00:43:37] people.
[00:43:37] And I know it's, it seems like it doesn't matter.
[00:43:40] Sometimes I guess stuff sort of happens since he can be really prepared.
[00:43:44] And that's sort of just the unfortunate reality.
[00:43:46] Yeah.
[00:43:47] I just have to clarify a little bit though.
[00:43:49] Oftentimes at live events in particular, people will come up and say, thank you for your service.
[00:43:55] Yes.
[00:43:55] Thinking that we're search and rescue.
[00:43:57] And that's, that's the only problem that I've had with the name is like, no, no, no,
[00:44:03] no, no.
[00:44:04] We're, we're a hiking podcast, hike safe podcast.
[00:44:07] And we touch upon search and rescue in the sense that you don't want to end up here at
[00:44:12] this end point.
[00:44:13] So here's some pointers and whatever else.
[00:44:16] It's just sort of a funny little takeaway.
[00:44:19] Yeah, exactly.
[00:44:20] Like I'm not, I'm a private citizen, not involved in search and rescue.
[00:44:24] And we don't, we, we try to remind people of that as much as we can.
[00:44:28] Oh yeah.
[00:44:29] You guys do a really great job though, highlighting the people that are in search and rescue.
[00:44:34] We, we talked about, we talked about the live show obviously a little bit on our podcast
[00:44:41] that we joined you at, at reckless.
[00:44:44] And, and when you talked just now about Mike, how, how you were into stats, I'm like, yeah,
[00:44:51] no kidding.
[00:44:52] This guy brought, brought his own projector screen and everything to go over his stats.
[00:44:57] I was like, this is, this is awesome.
[00:45:00] This guy came prepared, but it's that, that stuff.
[00:45:04] It's really cool that you have that.
[00:45:05] But you took that kind of initiative to do that and, and you, you highlight the, the
[00:45:10] people that were there that were part of search and rescue teams and, and just to give them
[00:45:15] the kudos that they might not get every day.
[00:45:18] I thought that was really cool.
[00:45:20] Yeah.
[00:45:20] Yeah.
[00:45:20] And I don't know, like there's something about like an Excel spreadsheet to me that just is
[00:45:24] like, it's just magic.
[00:45:26] I love it.
[00:45:28] I love it.
[00:45:29] No, it reminds me of the scene in the airplane with the pilots telling this story to passengers
[00:45:36] on the plane and they all want to kill themselves.
[00:45:38] Do you remember those?
[00:45:41] It's, it's one way or the other.
[00:45:43] Yeah.
[00:45:43] Love or do you hate it?
[00:45:45] I find the trends and stuff that you display with those really interesting.
[00:45:49] Like it's, there's always, I feel like some sort of interesting thing you wouldn't expect.
[00:45:52] And I always thought it's always interesting too, to hear the people from which States and,
[00:45:56] and whatnot and sort of the age groups.
[00:45:58] I mean, I feel like it's something you might guess, but I found it really cool that you
[00:46:01] kind of go into all those sort of little shades and, and sort of trends and whatnot.
[00:46:05] Yeah.
[00:46:06] It validates things, you know, and I think that anybody that hasn't listened to the slasher
[00:46:11] podcast, I mean, there's a couple of data points that come out that I always talk about.
[00:46:15] One is that lower leg injuries are one of the most common types of incidents.
[00:46:20] So I always tell people like use a splint and a wrap and bring a splint and a wrap and know
[00:46:25] how to use it because chances are that that's the type of injury you're going to deal with.
[00:46:30] And if you can, if you can sort of triage yourself in the field and try to get out, you know, you
[00:46:34] don't want to, you won't always be able to, but it's, it's worth having it in your pack.
[00:46:39] And then the other one is obviously a headlamp and having multiple headlamps.
[00:46:42] So many times people get in trouble without headlamps, bring multiple headlamps so that
[00:46:46] you can hand one off to somebody.
[00:46:48] If you run into them on trail, you'd be surprised at how many people just don't have the ability
[00:46:52] to time out when they're going to be returning to the car and they get caught in the dark.
[00:46:56] So, and then the last big one for me is older men.
[00:46:59] You know, if you're 50, 55 plus, chances are from a fatality perspective, yeah, eat healthy,
[00:47:06] but also from a fatality perspective doesn't happen that often, but chances are it's going
[00:47:10] to be a heart attack or a stroke or some kind of medical issue for a 55 year old or older
[00:47:15] men.
[00:47:16] So get heart checkups and make sure you're healthy.
[00:47:19] Or this is, this is inside baseball, but the other day with Dave Bush whacking up to the
[00:47:23] lost pass, he had a, he's going to kill me for this, but he had a hip adductor.
[00:47:29] So that's the muscle on the inner side of your thigh.
[00:47:32] So I come around to Ben and I look at Dave and he's literally doing like a half squat, like
[00:47:38] with his left leg way out 90 degrees to the left.
[00:47:41] I'm like, are you all right?
[00:47:43] Oh man.
[00:47:44] That's, that's awkward to come around a corner too.
[00:47:46] Sorry, sorry, Dave.
[00:47:47] In the middle of, yeah.
[00:47:48] In the middle of nowhere.
[00:47:49] It's like, wait, what's going on?
[00:47:53] Watch out for men stretching.
[00:47:55] Yes.
[00:47:55] Yes.
[00:47:56] But unfortunately.
[00:47:57] That lower leg injury advice though is like, that, that's huge because I would imagine rolled
[00:48:02] ankles probably like got to be at the, towards the top of like injuries.
[00:48:07] Anybody.
[00:48:07] Yeah.
[00:48:10] Yeah.
[00:48:11] I mean, anyone that hikes that knows this sort of, you know, some, some crazy people wear
[00:48:15] boots in the summer, but most people wear sneaker, like trail runners and you, you know, you'll
[00:48:18] be going along and having a great day.
[00:48:20] And all of a sudden, like out of nowhere, like you're, you're not paying attention and you'll
[00:48:23] just like twist your ankle.
[00:48:25] And then it's that moment.
[00:48:26] That's like that 10 second moment where you're like, all right, this is just a little twinkle.
[00:48:29] How bad, how bad is it?
[00:48:32] The sharp twinge.
[00:48:33] Yep.
[00:48:35] So with the podcast, I know like you, you talked a little bit of the origins and how you
[00:48:39] guys met, but how did, how did the conversation start back and forth that you guys actually
[00:48:42] wanted to start a podcast?
[00:48:43] Like, was it sort of a joke thing?
[00:48:44] Like with me and Josh, we were like, you know what?
[00:48:46] She, we should start a podcast.
[00:48:47] And then you kind of start thinking about it and how did it, how did it happen?
[00:48:51] Um, so it was at the woodpecker, it was at the woodpecker restaurant.
[00:48:57] Right.
[00:48:58] Circa.
[00:48:59] What, what year was that?
[00:49:01] Basically.
[00:49:01] I mean, it had to be, we started recording in 2021.
[00:49:05] So you're saying like 2019, we started chatting about this before COVID like that.
[00:49:10] Yeah.
[00:49:10] Yeah.
[00:49:10] Yeah.
[00:49:10] I think we had hiked Tecumseh, right?
[00:49:12] Cause I had done that.
[00:49:13] It was that day I did Moose a lot.
[00:49:15] So I had hiked Mount Moose a lot the morning and I had actually, it had snowed that day.
[00:49:19] It was like August 29th and there was a through hiker that came through and I had to give
[00:49:24] him my jacket cause they came over the, they came over with the Moose and it had snowed
[00:49:29] on them and they had, they had nothing.
[00:49:31] And, um, and then I met Stomp that I went to Black Mountain Burger and then I met Stomp
[00:49:37] and we hiked Tecumseh and then we went to Woodpecker restaurant.
[00:49:41] That's when Mrs.
[00:49:42] Stomp was working at the time.
[00:49:43] So Stomp was drinking Mai Tais.
[00:49:45] I think I probably had a beer or something.
[00:49:47] Oh, maybe I wasn't, I probably wasn't drinking at that time.
[00:49:49] I was probably at a Sprite and, uh, yeah, we just talked it out and then nothing happened
[00:49:53] for two years, Stomp?
[00:49:56] Yeah.
[00:49:56] Yeah.
[00:49:56] That's when COVID kicked in.
[00:49:58] Kept talking about it and Stomp would nudge me and then I would like build the script and
[00:50:02] I had a script sitting in my Google doc for like a year and, um, he would nudge me and
[00:50:07] nudge me.
[00:50:07] And then finally we, yeah, we did it.
[00:50:10] And I remember hitting record.
[00:50:11] And then I remember we both just started talking at each other and then I was like,
[00:50:17] I'll stop.
[00:50:17] And he's like, I'll stop.
[00:50:18] And we just went like talking.
[00:50:20] It was horrendous.
[00:50:21] And then we, and then when I listened to, I was like, we cannot release this.
[00:50:24] This is horrible.
[00:50:24] We have to record again.
[00:50:26] Yeah.
[00:50:26] It's funny.
[00:50:26] So the Woodpecker studio was named after Woodpeckers, which is now Bergie Seafood at
[00:50:32] the corner of 175 and Route 49 in Campton.
[00:50:37] Um, and Mr. Stomp and I went in there recently just to get some seafood and it's, it's like
[00:50:41] really great fresh stuff, but it's like just ghosts of the old building.
[00:50:45] And it was, it was a nice place to hang out and get food and, um, chat after hikes.
[00:50:50] I mean, I remember many times just hanging out with hikers like Jimmy Chagar and Casey
[00:50:54] and many others, um, after the fact.
[00:50:56] So that's, that became sort of the joke about, you know, the Woodpecker studio, like there
[00:51:02] is no Woodpecker studio.
[00:51:03] It's just, you know, it's funny.
[00:51:06] Yeah.
[00:51:06] And I had actually got that.
[00:51:08] I think so.
[00:51:08] I had come up with that idea.
[00:51:10] I think you were kind of like, what, what?
[00:51:11] So I had listened to some other podcast and there was this podcast that I listened to
[00:51:15] about Disney world and they were like, they were, it was like, it's four gay guys that
[00:51:22] just talk about Disney world.
[00:51:23] And it's like the most, it was the most entertaining podcast you could imagine.
[00:51:26] I don't know why, but, but they, they did it out of this guy's house, but they called the
[00:51:32] studio.
[00:51:32] They named the studio after one of the co-hosts that had died.
[00:51:36] And I was like, that's such a cool, like that, like, and I didn't realize they had,
[00:51:39] I thought they were really in a studio, but then I saw it on video and I was like, oh,
[00:51:42] they're just in their house.
[00:51:43] So I was like, we have to name the studio so that it projects this idea that we're like
[00:51:48] a professional organization and stop.
[00:51:50] I think bigger than ever and been like, oh, can we record in your studio or something?
[00:51:55] Well, that's funny.
[00:51:55] Cause whenever guests come over there, I think they're anticipating this, like, you know,
[00:51:59] RKO, you know, uh, Rockefeller center type of studio and they come into, which was previously
[00:52:06] the basement.
[00:52:07] Now they're, they're just upstairs.
[00:52:08] So it is really funny.
[00:52:10] Uh, yeah.
[00:52:12] Now they just, they got cats crawling.
[00:52:14] It's all a facade.
[00:52:17] If you're a cat person, that's fantastic.
[00:52:19] I've, I've enjoyed it so far, but yeah, definitely, definitely cats.
[00:52:24] Yeah.
[00:52:25] Yeah.
[00:52:25] We're looking to give away three studios.
[00:52:28] Not much different.
[00:52:30] Yeah.
[00:52:30] We, we just came up with that moniker cause I have two black cats and frequently the
[00:52:34] one of them would be in here when we were actually first recording in person, usually
[00:52:37] the older one, for some reason, she likes to like be in the room.
[00:52:39] Like when we start, when we'd be on, but inevitably she'd like come up to me and start clawing
[00:52:43] my lap cause she wanted to get out and then you had to let her out and it was like a whole
[00:52:46] thing.
[00:52:46] So that's where the, that's where the black cat studios came from.
[00:52:49] Yeah.
[00:52:50] Awesome.
[00:52:51] When did the guys, when did it kind of like hit you guys that like, Oh, we are like,
[00:52:57] people are actually like tuning in and listening to us like on a weekly.
[00:53:04] I don't know.
[00:53:04] I think it hit me.
[00:53:06] Um, cause I was running the, the I, IG Instagram, uh, thing.
[00:53:10] And I would see some numbers and then we, we use a podcast host and they, they update
[00:53:18] numbers regularly.
[00:53:19] I think when it hit, um, what was it Mike?
[00:53:23] A hundred thousand?
[00:53:24] A hundred thousand was a big deal.
[00:53:27] Uh, that's a lot of downloads.
[00:53:29] Yeah.
[00:53:29] So there were a couple markers, like even, even a hundred, um, followers was huge.
[00:53:34] And we're like, wait a minute, there's actually people listening.
[00:53:37] But then when it started hitting the bigger numbers, like, Whoa, what the heck?
[00:53:42] Uh, but it happened fairly early on.
[00:53:45] Yeah.
[00:53:46] And I think that I never really like, um, to me, I feel like we had that guy, I forget
[00:53:52] his name stomp.
[00:53:53] I have to look him up, but we had this guy who's like the go-to expert for, um, Mount,
[00:54:00] like the Himalayas and like high mountaineering.
[00:54:03] I forget his name, but you landed him.
[00:54:05] Arnett?
[00:54:05] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:06] And I had felt like, like super nervous about that because I just didn't want to like, I
[00:54:11] wanted to look professional and I didn't want to come off looking like a moron.
[00:54:15] And it was a bit of a stretch.
[00:54:16] I think we had had some other guests like Ty coming in.
[00:54:18] I think that I was like stressed about that one too.
[00:54:21] And I think that once we got through those, it wasn't even a matter of like thinking like,
[00:54:25] Oh, well listeners, I didn't really care about like if people listen, that's great.
[00:54:30] But you know, we do this as a passion project and hopefully as a legacy.
[00:54:33] Um, but I think just getting through those and feeling like, okay, well those came off
[00:54:38] professional and there's something that I can be reasonably proud of.
[00:54:41] That was where to me, I was like, all right, we've, we were onto something here and the,
[00:54:46] the listen, the listeners and the, the, all that stuff will follow.
[00:54:51] Yeah.
[00:54:51] Well, I think the live should, the first live show too, was a big turning point too.
[00:54:56] I mean, Reckless was so gracious and they were, um, just really supportive.
[00:55:01] Was that last year was your first live show that you guys did or a couple of years even
[00:55:05] before that?
[00:55:05] No, we had like, um, if I remember correctly, we had like a hundredth episode live show,
[00:55:11] which was sort of the first full conditions, like impromptu full conditions thing where Ty
[00:55:17] came in.
[00:55:18] If does that serve me right, Mike?
[00:55:20] I think that's how it happened.
[00:55:21] And it was just Mike, myself and Ty where you Nick were standing playing guitar.
[00:55:27] We were just standing up talking to this audience of, I don't know, a hundred, 150 people.
[00:55:33] That was a big moment too.
[00:55:34] Um, so that was sort of a combination of several different, uh, aspects of this whole community.
[00:55:42] You know, the podcast and then Ty's efforts and, uh, Reckless's efforts.
[00:55:47] They're, they're great in terms of supporting Search and Rescue and just all that stuff.
[00:55:52] So, that was a big time.
[00:55:54] We're going to see you.
[00:56:18] We're going to see you.
[00:56:26] And I believe that was around a hundred episodes in full conditions.
[00:56:30] Do you guys, is it like weird to you still that like you started this thing and now you
[00:56:36] go out and, and, and public and people kind of recognize you or recognize, like recognize
[00:56:41] your podcast.
[00:56:42] Do you guys find that weird or I, cause I, when I was at the, when I was at the live
[00:56:47] show and people came up to me and were like, are you, are you the Josh?
[00:56:51] And I'm like, I'm, I'm a Josh.
[00:56:53] I don't know about the Josh, but I am, I am a Josh, but it was cool to meet people that
[00:57:00] like appreciated, appreciated what we, what we do and, and, and the conversation that we
[00:57:05] have and are being entertained by, by the things that we're doing.
[00:57:09] Like, do you guys still, cause you've been doing it for, for longer than we have much
[00:57:14] longer than we have.
[00:57:15] And you guys are very successful.
[00:57:17] Is it still something that you're like, wow, this is kind of cool.
[00:57:23] I think, um, I, yeah, I mean, it's always nice to be appreciated and meet people.
[00:57:30] But I think for me, like, I just think of like the, the times where I've actually run
[00:57:35] into people that, that, um, connected through the show.
[00:57:39] Like I, I think of like, you know, you guys have become friends and I've gone hiking with
[00:57:43] Nick so many times now.
[00:57:44] And like the, the one, the funniest thing I sort of think of is like Nick and I have this
[00:57:48] friend, Steve from the Cape, his Instagram is Stevie shit.
[00:57:52] And I'll never forget like getting out of my car and I was doing a solo hike on the Carters
[00:57:56] and I knew it was going to be a beast of a hike.
[00:57:58] Like, I mean, that is a, in the winter, the Carters are like for people that grid even
[00:58:04] like they'll talk about it and they'll say like, you know, the middle and South car, especially
[00:58:07] if you put Carter dome in there, it's a beast of a hike.
[00:58:10] And I was going solo and I knew that it was going to be like, I think we had to break trail
[00:58:15] and I pull up in the parking lot and Steve is there and he looks over to me and he's
[00:58:20] like, are you Mike?
[00:58:21] And I was like, Oh yeah, Mike from you know, the, from the slasher podcast.
[00:58:26] And he's like, Oh, I listened to the show.
[00:58:28] And I was like, all right, well what are you doing?
[00:58:31] And he's doing the same route as me.
[00:58:34] So we decided to just hike together and I sort of joked with him and I was like, well,
[00:58:37] you're not a serial killer.
[00:58:39] Are you?
[00:58:40] We even joke now, like we, we, so we've hiked so many times since then.
[00:58:44] And we, I always joke with him and I go like, Oh, you know, you're definitely, you're
[00:58:47] showing you not a serial killer.
[00:58:48] And he's like, I'm playing the long game, you know, like Nick knows, like Steve is just
[00:58:52] like the funniest guy.
[00:58:54] And you know, I can't tell you how many times that between him and Peter and Jake and, you
[00:59:00] know, Dave and, and all the crew from Alzheimer's and the crew from Emily's hike and, and everybody
[00:59:06] like that's to me is what's awesome is I was always a solo hiker every once in a while.
[00:59:12] Like I'd stomp would come along or like Jamie or Casey or whatever.
[00:59:16] But for the most part, I was always a solo hiker and through getting to know people, that's
[00:59:22] where, um, I've learned to become like a more social person and enjoy hiking in groups.
[00:59:28] So to me, that's the bigger deal than like, you know, somebody randomly recognizing it.
[00:59:32] That's kind of cool though, especially when my daughter's around with me.
[00:59:35] I love that.
[00:59:36] I love being like, see, somebody listens to the show.
[00:59:40] Yeah.
[00:59:40] Yeah.
[00:59:41] I don't know.
[00:59:41] I don't, you started the podcast.
[00:59:43] I don't run into.
[00:59:45] Oop.
[00:59:46] Yes, exactly.
[00:59:47] Well, that's it.
[00:59:48] That's the thing.
[00:59:49] Like people, you know, it's harder to make friends when you're older.
[00:59:52] I'm his only friend.
[00:59:53] Like, so yeah.
[00:59:55] So it is hard to make friends when you're older.
[00:59:57] So start a podcast.
[00:59:58] I mean, that's the way to do it.
[01:00:00] It's so true.
[01:00:01] It's funny.
[01:00:03] I'm sorry to stop.
[01:00:04] I interrupted you.
[01:00:05] No, it's all, it's all good.
[01:00:08] Yeah.
[01:00:08] I don't, I think for the most part in terms of like the, the, the recognition or I hate
[01:00:18] the word celebrity or whatever, I guess there's maybe a part of that, a small part of that.
[01:00:22] But for the most part, it has been a level of appreciation by people that I've met on
[01:00:28] trail consistently.
[01:00:30] It's just like, oh, thanks for what you guys are doing.
[01:00:32] I think you're, you know, making an impact, uh, in terms of awareness and just hiking
[01:00:37] safely and, you know, avoiding being a subject or a victim, uh, for search and rescue.
[01:00:44] So it's been a level of appreciation, but I have not run into like any weird, uh, hyper
[01:00:50] fans or anything like that.
[01:00:51] I don't know if they exist.
[01:00:52] I hope they don't, but so far it's just been very cool.
[01:00:55] And, and to add to what Mike said, everybody that we've met through this, uh, has just
[01:01:00] been phenomenal.
[01:01:01] Just wonderful to, to be on trail with.
[01:01:04] And, uh, uh, it's been great.
[01:01:09] Just imagining you crossing some super fan that has like their face tattooed on your
[01:01:13] shoulder or something.
[01:01:15] I don't know.
[01:01:15] I don't think there are any out there.
[01:01:17] I mean, honestly, I don't think so.
[01:01:19] I hope not.
[01:01:21] I have a slash, a slasher logo tattooed on them, but I love you guys.
[01:01:25] I can, I'll just add this though.
[01:01:26] And this is me in the confessional.
[01:01:28] Mike and I talk about this a lot and we set the show up to try to keep search and rescue
[01:01:33] my endeavors with search and rescue separate from the pod.
[01:01:37] And I think we're, uh, we're at a place now where it's, it's fairly healthy and comfortable
[01:01:40] and people recognize that it's a hiking podcast.
[01:01:43] We touch upon search and rescue to a degree, but, um, for me, there is.
[01:01:50] Um, uh, crossover into the search and rescue community, which we've tried to, uh, mitigate
[01:01:55] as much as possible.
[01:01:57] At least I have.
[01:01:58] And, um, for the most part at this point, I think it's, it's, it's okay.
[01:02:05] And it's healthy.
[01:02:06] Like just the other day I was at, um, Granite state class in Plymouth getting my windshield
[01:02:12] fixed and a fish and game officer came in and I'm like, Hey, how you doing?
[01:02:17] Haven't seen you on trail forever.
[01:02:19] And blah, blah, blah.
[01:02:20] And, uh, on his way out, he leans over and goes, so, uh, I've been listening to this podcast.
[01:02:28] And he looks at me with that slight grin and, uh, I'm like, Oh my God.
[01:02:33] So it's another person discovered it.
[01:02:35] So it's a little awkward for me being in search and rescue, trying to find the balance with
[01:02:39] all this stuff.
[01:02:41] Uh, but I think it's panning out to be a healthy positive.
[01:02:45] Um, so yeah, that was a funny moment.
[01:02:47] Um, and then of course he was like, yeah.
[01:02:50] And then my commanding officer's like, you know who that is, right?
[01:02:55] Oh, geez.
[01:02:57] So it's weird.
[01:02:58] It's just some of the weird dynamics that we have to balance out there, but Hey, hopefully
[01:03:03] we're making a positive good for the community.
[01:03:06] No, I don't think it's, it's pretty unquestionable.
[01:03:09] I think you guys are making a positive impact.
[01:03:10] I mean, just in, to your point, there's just not that many really hiking Northeast podcasts.
[01:03:16] Like I think there's like the 46 of 46 one there's wardens watch.
[01:03:18] No, there's a, there's a couple that are Northeast based, but when you think of how big, um, the
[01:03:23] hiking community is and the popularity, especially close to like some pretty big urban centers
[01:03:27] like Boston and New York city or like, or Albany or things like that, like there's really
[01:03:31] not a ton of hiking podcasts out there.
[01:03:33] So I think it's cool.
[01:03:34] Like, especially when you, when you guys get into things like, um, I remember like the,
[01:03:39] I think one of the first episodes I saw with you guys, the, when I started listening, it
[01:03:41] was like, you did like a winter gear review and I'm like, that's so, so cool.
[01:03:45] Especially someone that's getting newer.
[01:03:46] I was getting newer into hiking at winter at that time.
[01:03:48] And it's like, it's a pretty niche topic and it was cool that you guys are to see someone
[01:03:53] I'm like, Oh, like there's people who actually are talking about this and know what they're
[01:03:55] talking about and stuff.
[01:03:57] Um, I think you have to separate it though.
[01:03:59] So there's the podcast community, which is strictly audio, but then there's a really
[01:04:04] vibrant video community out there on different platforms, but namely YouTube and their numbers
[01:04:10] are exploding.
[01:04:11] Um, so what we're doing in terms of audio only is a whole separate niche with different numbers
[01:04:18] and dynamics.
[01:04:21] Yeah, that's, that's a valid point.
[01:04:23] There are a ton.
[01:04:23] I mean, I know a couple of different YouTubers.
[01:04:25] Like when I first started really getting into hiking the whites where like, I'd be looking
[01:04:28] at videos of certain hikes or whatever to, to sort of get, I guess the vibe of like what
[01:04:33] I was kind of getting myself into.
[01:04:35] But, um, I think you guys do a great job at again, you're saying toeing that line sort
[01:04:40] of deal.
[01:04:40] Um, but also really promoting good hiking practices and safety and stuff.
[01:04:45] And it's like, it's one of those things where I like to bring it not to bring back to
[01:04:48] Facebook, but you'll see like a new hiker on those Facebook groups.
[01:04:50] And I feel like it is tough sometimes to go online for people because sometimes people
[01:04:54] sort of get shredded as being like stupid and you're just new.
[01:04:56] And maybe you're trying to ask a general question.
[01:04:58] It's nice, it's nice to have a podcast where you can just throw it on.
[01:05:00] Like these guys are just kind of hashing out topics about this and you don't have to like
[01:05:04] it to me, it's just a different way that's really accepting and very accessible to people
[01:05:08] to kind of get information on hiking in the whites.
[01:05:11] Cause I feel like it can be intense sometimes on the socials to say the least.
[01:05:16] Yeah.
[01:05:17] Yeah.
[01:05:17] I think the YouTube thing is cutthroat too.
[01:05:19] I think that's a hard task.
[01:05:21] I think audio is a hell of a lot easier.
[01:05:24] Um, maybe not.
[01:05:26] The video stuff, you almost have to like keep feeding the beast.
[01:05:29] It's not, it's not enough just to do like one or a couple of videos.
[01:05:33] You got to keep that beast fed.
[01:05:35] A hundred percent.
[01:05:36] Plus we have, we have a face for podcasting too.
[01:05:41] That's what we say.
[01:05:42] Oh man.
[01:05:42] If people knew how handsome we were, Mike, holy shit.
[01:05:46] Sorry.
[01:05:47] Is this PG 13?
[01:05:49] No, you're good.
[01:05:50] You're good.
[01:05:51] You're good.
[01:05:52] Yeah.
[01:05:53] Yeah.
[01:05:54] YouTube stuff.
[01:05:54] I mean, I talk about it a little bit on here sometimes, but I do some like videos and
[01:05:58] stuff, but it does seem like it's also, it seems totally random.
[01:06:00] What people find interesting sometimes where it's, I think a lot of it's taglines between
[01:06:04] like the most terrifying hike up, blah, blah, blah.
[01:06:06] And that like, when since I'm sure it carries into even podcast videos too, where it's like,
[01:06:09] you need sort of that dramatic clickable headline.
[01:06:12] That's going to get someone into the episode for the first time if they're displaying it.
[01:06:16] But like you said, very cutthroat, I think is a good word is like, I see it.
[01:06:19] Yeah.
[01:06:20] Yeah.
[01:06:20] It's interesting.
[01:06:22] I mean, it's the numbers game.
[01:06:24] It's the click game.
[01:06:25] I, for the most part, I don't think slashers fallen into the trap of like number seeking.
[01:06:30] Um, I, you know, I speaking for myself and, and probably from Mike as well.
[01:06:34] I think it's just like, it's the labor of love.
[01:06:37] Uh, it's great to see it being recognized and listened to, which is super cool.
[01:06:41] Um, yeah.
[01:06:43] I mean, yeah.
[01:06:45] I, you know, recently we were just monetized, which is bizarro.
[01:06:49] That's bizarro world.
[01:06:52] Congratulations.
[01:06:53] Oh, sick.
[01:06:54] Well, yeah, it's like a, it's like a congratulations and condolences too, because people, nobody
[01:06:59] wants to listen to an ad, but it does support what we're doing.
[01:07:03] Um, and it's interesting, but it's a, it's a mark of progress and progression, I suppose.
[01:07:08] But yeah.
[01:07:09] And it's, it's part of the cold podcast culture, but, uh, yeah, it's weird.
[01:07:14] I don't know.
[01:07:15] Yeah.
[01:07:16] It's weird.
[01:07:17] It's like, yeah, we're not trying to make a, how does that, how does that work too?
[01:07:20] Like, is it that is?
[01:07:21] Yeah.
[01:07:22] Yeah.
[01:07:22] Oh, no, no.
[01:07:23] Is that absolutely not?
[01:07:24] Yeah.
[01:07:25] Is it the distributor that ends up monetizing that or how does that not to get too into the
[01:07:29] weeds on it?
[01:07:29] But how, how does that work?
[01:07:30] Did they just like send you and you get an email from somebody and they're like, Hey,
[01:07:33] we're monetizing you guys now or.
[01:07:34] Uh, Mike, no, might know better than I, but I would assume that it's a very complicated
[01:07:39] contractual process between multiple hosts and it, it, it, it jumps outside of our host
[01:07:48] and it's, it's, it seems to be standardized between multiple hosts at this point.
[01:07:54] Okay.
[01:07:54] So they take our file and yeah, who knows?
[01:07:57] It's weird.
[01:07:59] Yeah.
[01:07:59] They just insert some random ads in the front and the end of it.
[01:08:02] So, um, yeah.
[01:08:03] And it's funny, but like, I, I don't think we need necessarily money, but then every time
[01:08:07] like we'll, we'll have to buy equipment and Stomp will buy something and then I'll always
[01:08:12] be like, well, that'll be the end of it.
[01:08:13] And then we got to buy stickers and we got to buy patches or whatever.
[01:08:18] And, um, you know, it's like a never ending type of thing.
[01:08:21] So having a little bit of money, so.
[01:08:23] It's feeding itself.
[01:08:23] In the bank is helpful.
[01:08:26] Yeah.
[01:08:26] Yeah.
[01:08:27] That's essentially what it's doing.
[01:08:28] It's keeping it afloat.
[01:08:30] Um, do you feel like Mrs. Stomp?
[01:08:33] Pressure to keep it fresh.
[01:08:34] Mrs. Stomp wants to see some cash rolling in.
[01:08:37] Yeah.
[01:08:38] She's like, if I'm going to leave early Thursday night, you better make some money.
[01:08:43] She's like, when are you guys going to start making money?
[01:08:46] Do you really need, do you really need that studio room up there?
[01:08:49] Yeah.
[01:08:50] Right.
[01:08:52] Sorry to interrupt you.
[01:08:53] No, it was all right.
[01:08:55] I guess that was my, my question is just, do you guys feel like a little extra little added
[01:09:01] pressure now that there is a monetization happening?
[01:09:04] You feel like you have to keep it fresh and like you're working for the man now?
[01:09:10] I don't know.
[01:09:11] Like, I feel like we did have a period where, um, so definitely, I mean, there's no, no
[01:09:16] pressure on the money piece of it.
[01:09:18] But like I did, there was a period where I feel like, oh, we ran out of ideas, but like
[01:09:21] what ends up happening is like me and Stomp will sit down.
[01:09:25] Like, I feel like Stomp will sit down over a weekend and he'll just crunch out.
[01:09:28] Like I'm going to bang out ideas for the next 10, 15 episodes.
[01:09:32] And then I'll end up filling in the holes with like a history segment or like, like I
[01:09:37] read a lot of the, um, Appalachia journals from like the 18, 1900s and like history books
[01:09:44] and then Stomp knows a bunch of cool people.
[01:09:46] So it's sort of, I don't know, creatively, I never really did anything creatively.
[01:09:51] I feel like in a band situation, like you guys probably, Nick and Stomp, you know more
[01:09:55] about this, but I feel like there's conflicts, but I never really had any conflicts.
[01:09:58] So it's not, it's just, it just works.
[01:10:00] A nice balance.
[01:10:01] And, um, yeah.
[01:10:02] And he's got like the, the guest ideas and then I'll fill in the holes with like history
[01:10:07] segments or like, uh, hiking topics or whatever.
[01:10:10] And then Stomp will come up with some good safety topics.
[01:10:13] So it's, I don't know, we just haven't had any problem finding ideas.
[01:10:16] Hmm.
[01:10:17] And I actually enjoy, uh, just like just you and I just chewing the fat as opposed to even
[01:10:23] having guests.
[01:10:23] I just super cool and chill.
[01:10:26] Yeah.
[01:10:27] We haven't done that in a while.
[01:10:28] We're doing that on a Wednesday night, which would be nice.
[01:10:31] Yeah.
[01:10:32] It must be, it must be just easy, way easier from that standpoint too.
[01:10:34] Cause you're like just showing up, you guys know each other so well and you podcasted so
[01:10:38] many episodes.
[01:10:38] It must've just be like, oh yeah, we'll just go on and bang this one out.
[01:10:41] We don't have to worry about a flow or anything like that.
[01:10:43] Yeah.
[01:10:44] And like most of the guests are fine and they fit right in and yeah, but yeah, you always
[01:10:48] worry about that.
[01:10:49] The hardest part, uh, would be the logistics, the internet.
[01:10:54] We've had some funny guests where they're walking around outside in 20 degree weather
[01:10:59] with their cell phone talking to us and they, they jump in their, their car to, to warm up
[01:11:04] and they're like, I'm, I'm going to disconnect and drive to my mom's and, uh, reconnect and
[01:11:10] I'll see you guys in a little while.
[01:11:11] You know, it's just funny stuff like that.
[01:11:12] Yeah.
[01:11:14] Or like you guys, like the tree falls down and you guys lose power.
[01:11:19] Yeah.
[01:11:19] I mentioned at the end of this episode, but yeah, I literally lost power when we were supposed
[01:11:22] to originally record this.
[01:11:23] So that was, that was, that was a fun thing.
[01:11:26] Yeah.
[01:11:26] It is.
[01:11:26] It is interesting where even to throw it to like one of our, one of our guests we had
[01:11:29] on didn't have a great internet.
[01:11:31] And, um, I realized that getting their audio file from stream yard that they actually X'd out
[01:11:35] of it.
[01:11:35] And it was like 20% uploaded.
[01:11:37] Luckily stream yards smart enough where it'll actually, you can go to a page and it like he, he was doing
[01:11:41] it on his phone and it'll just basically it's intelligent.
[01:11:44] It finds it on your device and uploads it.
[01:11:45] But it's still even that it just took a while because the internet, um, wherever they were
[01:11:48] like in Western New Hampshire just was not fantastic.
[01:11:51] But I was like, really like, Oh man, I hope we can get this file back because that was like
[01:11:55] two hours.
[01:11:56] And, um, it'd be really awkward to have to be like, Hey, so I should have told you to stay
[01:11:59] in this window until it was uploaded.
[01:12:01] Uh, but yeah, the logistics sometimes can be interesting.
[01:12:04] And also just trusting that the software actually works and does what it's supposed to all the
[01:12:08] time.
[01:12:09] True.
[01:12:09] True.
[01:12:09] True.
[01:12:10] Yeah.
[01:12:10] It's, it's fun.
[01:12:12] So you guys want to talk about your, your hiking?
[01:12:15] I mean, I would say we talked about sort of your, I guess, backgrounds getting into hiking
[01:12:18] a little bit.
[01:12:18] Um, but I guess what you're hiking now, I know stomp, I know you do a lot of bushwhacking
[01:12:22] and working on the New Hampshire 500 highest, which I don't think we've even mentioned on
[01:12:26] this, this podcast yet.
[01:12:28] We have.
[01:12:29] That's right.
[01:12:29] Yeah.
[01:12:30] Yeah.
[01:12:30] I tend to gravitate more towards the, um, the more remote, uh, puzzles, I guess.
[01:12:37] That's what I love about bushwhacking.
[01:12:38] It's always a puzzle, you know, as opposed to just jumping on a trail where, you know,
[01:12:42] the end point and you just got to pay attention to the blazes for the most part.
[01:12:45] I love a puzzle that you have to figure out.
[01:12:49] And sometimes the puzzle says not, not going to happen today.
[01:12:52] Um, so yeah, I'm a more of a bushwhacker.
[01:12:54] The 500 highest is, uh, essentially based upon a 200 foot prominence.
[01:12:58] And for New Hampshire, there's, there's a list.
[01:13:02] There were a couple lists, but one list is 500 of those peaks that have at least 200 feet.
[01:13:07] So you may be talking about like a teeny hill in Southern New Hampshire or like a sub peak
[01:13:13] way the hell up North on the border of Canada.
[01:13:15] Um, so yeah, that's fun stuff.
[01:13:18] It takes a little, that's like the two.
[01:13:20] Oh, sorry.
[01:13:20] I was just going to say the 200 foot of prominence.
[01:13:22] So that's like, that's literally any elevation.
[01:13:24] So like, it could be like a 200 foot hill off zero feet or like sea level.
[01:13:28] And it counts by that.
[01:13:29] A hundred percent.
[01:13:30] Yep.
[01:13:30] Cool.
[01:13:30] The summit, the summit cone would be 200 feet.
[01:13:35] Okay.
[01:13:35] And I think that's the AMC rule, right?
[01:13:37] Mike for a summit for the 4,000 footers.
[01:13:40] Yeah.
[01:13:40] Yes.
[01:13:41] Okay.
[01:13:42] Yeah.
[01:13:42] The stand, I guess that's sort of standard norm.
[01:13:44] Yeah.
[01:13:44] That's why boot spur is not a, it's not considered, um, 4,000 footer.
[01:13:49] Um, and two with the 500 highest.
[01:13:51] Um, I just, just, I was curious, is that in like the include the 48 in there too, or is
[01:13:55] it peaks outside of the, so they're all like in there as well?
[01:13:58] Yep.
[01:13:59] Yeah.
[01:13:59] The, yeah, the 48 are the first, first list, like the highest to lowest.
[01:14:04] I have a list on Cal Topo, which I could give you guys if you want it.
[01:14:08] Um, that's somebody made of all the 500 and you open it up and it's like red dots for
[01:14:13] each one of them.
[01:14:14] And I think Dave uses them as well.
[01:14:17] Um, but yeah, the 48 are the first portion of that list.
[01:14:23] Cool.
[01:14:23] And you had to, I think both, I know both of you had done your 48, right?
[01:14:26] And I know Mike finished, I think his winner of 48 last year.
[01:14:30] I don't know if, you know, you guys are gone.
[01:14:32] I know you've done both kind of delve in the list a little bit, but I don't know if you
[01:14:36] either can go.
[01:14:37] I'm more of the list chaser.
[01:14:39] Um, well, Stomp and Mrs. Stomp had gone after the 4,000 footer list.
[01:14:43] Yeah.
[01:14:43] Finished that.
[01:14:44] Uh, but yeah, I had, um, started, I think somewhere around 2018, I had decided like,
[01:14:51] all right, yeah, I'm going to do the 4,000 footer list.
[01:14:54] And I, I kind of like on the way did some 52 with the views.
[01:14:58] And then I think in, and I had always been in a winter hiking.
[01:15:03] So my friend Jonathan, who I met doing triathlons in, in town and where I live in Amesbury, he
[01:15:10] had taught me winter hiking.
[01:15:12] And, uh, so I had been a year round hiker, took me a while to get, I think in 2000 and I don't
[01:15:21] know, like it was like two years before I finished my 4,000 footer.
[01:15:24] I had actually done my 47th hike on Wombach.
[01:15:30] And I was like, well, I'm probably going to finish next week.
[01:15:32] And then I looked at my 52 with a view and my terrifying 25.
[01:15:36] And I was looking at those lists and I said, well, I'd have like 10 or 12 of the 52 with
[01:15:40] a view.
[01:15:40] And I have like maybe six or seven of the terrifying 25.
[01:15:43] And then I was thinking like, all right, well, Canon is my last one for the 4,000 footer.
[01:15:49] So then I looked and I was like, well, I could actually finish.
[01:15:52] Originally I was like, I could do well sticky, which is, I could finish my 52 with a view
[01:15:57] and well sticky.
[01:15:58] Then I could go over to Canon and then I could go up the flume slide and just like a drive.
[01:16:04] Oh, that's cool.
[01:16:05] And finish all three lists in one day.
[01:16:07] And then I like, I think somebody had given me the idea on one of these Facebook groups
[01:16:13] because I had talked about it.
[01:16:14] And I realized like I could use Mount Pamagoasset as my 52 with a view finish.
[01:16:20] And then I could hike Mount Pamagoasset and then I could go up that bike path to connect
[01:16:31] to the flume slide.
[01:16:32] And that would be my terrifying 25 finish.
[01:16:35] And then I could come down Liberty Springs and then connect on the bike path across to,
[01:16:42] I forget what trail it is to get up to Canon.
[01:16:45] Oh, Kinsman Ridge.
[01:16:47] Kinsman Ridge.
[01:16:48] Yeah.
[01:16:48] High Canon.
[01:16:48] And then, oh, High Canon.
[01:16:50] That's what it was.
[01:16:51] High Canon.
[01:16:52] High Canon.
[01:16:52] Okay.
[01:16:53] And then come down.
[01:16:55] And yeah, so I did that.
[01:16:57] So basically then I put a hold in my 4,000 footer list for like two years to finish the 52
[01:17:03] with a view, which honestly, like to me, the 52 with a view is where I fell in love with
[01:17:09] New Hampshire because it gets you a little bit, you know, it gets you a little bit away
[01:17:12] from the core of the White Mountain.
[01:17:15] Once you get into Evans Notch a little bit and you get up to, up to the North and you get
[01:17:19] to Nash Stream and the, you know, it really sort of learned to fall in love with New Hampshire
[01:17:22] through the 52 with a view list.
[01:17:24] And then the terrifying 25 is the same way.
[01:17:26] It expands a little bit more than you getting into the ice gulch and you getting into some
[01:17:31] other cool hikes that, um, that gets you into all the ravines where you get deeper into
[01:17:36] these wilderness areas.
[01:17:38] So I was able to get to 24 in my terrifying 25, 51 in the 52 with a view.
[01:17:46] And then I had 47 and then I did that finish hike.
[01:17:49] And then right after that, I decided like, well, now what's next for me?
[01:17:53] I'm going to do the winter 4,000 footers.
[01:17:55] And I finished that last year.
[01:17:56] And now I'm really just working to help any of my friends that want to do the winter 4,000
[01:18:01] footer, do that.
[01:18:04] And then I will help my daughter get her 4,000 footer list.
[01:18:07] And in between that, I just look to do fun stuff.
[01:18:10] And, um, I like to spend a lot of time in Evans Notch because that's close to where my
[01:18:15] in-laws, my father-in-law lives in Maine.
[01:18:17] And then I also like a lot of stuff in Western Maine, like Pleasant Mountain, Burnt Meadow,
[01:18:22] um, Cutler Mountain, those areas in Western Maine are really cool.
[01:18:27] And then, you know, I, I get Shakur and Moat Mountain, anything close to my
[01:18:31] father-in-law I usually get over to.
[01:18:35] Cool.
[01:18:35] Yeah.
[01:18:36] I was going to, I was going to ask like, what's kind of your favorite sort of frequent,
[01:18:39] frequent and hikes.
[01:18:39] I know you got a bunch over there in Waterville Valley too, in that area.
[01:18:42] Stomp.
[01:18:42] It's funny.
[01:18:43] Like that's one of those I'm starting to appreciate a little bit more where like a friend
[01:18:47] of the podcast, Mike Troche dragged me out to like snows like last spring.
[01:18:50] Yeah.
[01:18:51] Um, we did like to come send that over there and I'm like, there's a really beautiful
[01:18:53] trail system, like cascade path.
[01:18:55] And I'm sure there's a bunch, bunch more, but I don't know if you wanted to mention some
[01:18:59] of your, your faves over there that you like to get out to.
[01:19:02] Yeah.
[01:19:02] I mean, but first I'll just mention that.
[01:19:04] I remember that high cannon thing because I'm working on a different list called the,
[01:19:08] uh, terrifying trailhead parking lot list.
[01:19:11] And I had to park at Lafayette campground and try to get a spot while Mike was coming
[01:19:17] down flume slide with knobby.
[01:19:19] It was terrifying trying to get a spot in there.
[01:19:21] So that's a whole other list we can talk about.
[01:19:24] But, uh, yeah, uh, Waterville is super cool.
[01:19:26] And it, it, I think the magic of Waterville is that it taps into, uh, the sandwich range,
[01:19:33] which I think all of us can agree.
[01:19:35] It's like this magical, maybe somewhat creepy, uh, uh, wilderness.
[01:19:40] Um, and it's, it's somewhat untapped and maybe a little rough around the edges.
[01:19:44] Um, but I just, yeah, there's so much, so much.
[01:19:48] Just Pasek Hannaway is crazy.
[01:19:50] There's a weird vibe on Pasek Hannaway.
[01:19:51] I always feel like going up to that mountain, like those woods and stuff down there with,
[01:19:55] it's very new England asking, very pretty, that whole, uh, want to Lancet area.
[01:19:58] Yeah.
[01:19:59] But, uh, it's got a vibe to it.
[01:20:01] It's funny.
[01:20:02] I feel like, I know you guys reflect upon it on the podcast, but I got that vibe even before
[01:20:06] back in like summer of, I don't know, 2016 before I ever listened to you guys kind of
[01:20:10] about that, doing that with my, my wife.
[01:20:12] Um, so that's an interesting area.
[01:20:15] I love the, uh, the tribe pyramids and that whole, like I did the Kate sleeper trail this
[01:20:18] summer and that kind of blew me away.
[01:20:20] That was like a very nice area of New Hampshire wilderness.
[01:20:22] And also, uh, yeah, yeah.
[01:20:25] Yeah.
[01:20:26] And we were both like, uh, I was with, um, my friend Paul has liked with Mike too and stuff.
[01:20:31] And we were in there and I'm like, I want, I feel like this is like prime moose territory
[01:20:34] and I really want to see a moose, but it's also so narrow and vegetated in there that I
[01:20:38] feel like there's literally nowhere you could go.
[01:20:40] If there was a moose, like you just have to backtrack on the trail and let it, let it's
[01:20:43] probably do its thing and sort of move, move on.
[01:20:46] But very, very beautiful area in there.
[01:20:48] Yeah.
[01:20:48] It's funny.
[01:20:49] You mentioned that because there was a couple of years back, there was, um, a moose that had
[01:20:53] fallen down North tri slide and, and died.
[01:20:57] And it was just rotting and smell.
[01:20:59] You could smell it about a quarter mile away before you even got to the base of the slide.
[01:21:03] Oh my gosh.
[01:21:04] You can imagine.
[01:21:05] I mean, that's like a 65 degree angle.
[01:21:07] This did dead moose at the bottom there.
[01:21:10] But, um, just a guy.
[01:21:12] Yeah.
[01:21:12] But just briefly, I mean, uh, 49 is great route.
[01:21:15] 49 is great because you have Welch Dickey sort of at the Southern end of it.
[01:21:19] And, um, to the East you have the sleepers, uh, you've got the flat mountain range, um,
[01:21:26] uh, white face past Conway for sure.
[01:21:28] But then you can go West and dive into Tripoli or Livermore or Greeley North.
[01:21:33] I mean, it's just a, it's a huge access point and a beautiful spot.
[01:21:37] And that's why I'm sort of reluctant to ever leave the area and go wherever.
[01:21:41] Like, oh man, I want to drive two hours or whatever to get to what I can do here.
[01:21:47] You get spoiled.
[01:21:48] It's beautiful here.
[01:21:50] I mean, that, and that's one of the reasons why Stomp and I don't hike that often.
[01:21:53] Pretty much.
[01:21:54] Because in the summertime, you know, I'll be like, oh, I'm going over to Evan's Notch.
[01:21:57] And he's like, well, it's going to be an hour and a half ride for me when I'm sitting right
[01:22:00] here on top of Waterville Valley.
[01:22:02] And then I'm the same way as I'm like, I love Stomp, but I'm not driving an hour and
[01:22:06] a half when I can go hike the moats or I can hike Baldface.
[01:22:09] Yeah.
[01:22:09] We met that.
[01:22:10] We met halfway for the Squam Traverse.
[01:22:12] I think that was the last one, wasn't it?
[01:22:14] Yeah.
[01:22:14] I think so.
[01:22:15] Yeah.
[01:22:15] That was a good time though.
[01:22:16] Yeah.
[01:22:17] That was fun.
[01:22:18] Yeah.
[01:22:18] It's funny how it must be like you get, yeah.
[01:22:21] Oh yeah.
[01:22:22] Yeah.
[01:22:23] But you get used to, I guess, what you have.
[01:22:25] So it's kind of like why, why go out my back door when I can get views sort of, or why drive
[01:22:29] far when I can go out my back door and kind of get something with views on it and a lot
[01:22:33] of variety of terrain from like the ledges to you got some steep areas and whatnot too.
[01:22:37] Yeah.
[01:22:37] Yeah.
[01:22:38] And it works for the podcast because it opens it up a little bit.
[01:22:41] Like I'm always talking about in the North Conway area and then stomps talking about Waterville
[01:22:45] and Lincoln and it, you know, it works out well.
[01:22:49] Yeah.
[01:22:49] Yeah.
[01:22:50] And I can drive like, you know, 40 minutes south and hit gunstock.
[01:22:53] And to be honest with you, that gunstock range.
[01:22:56] Um, and I forget the name of the, the other areas around there, but you get a, all the
[01:23:03] bell naps pretty.
[01:23:05] Yeah.
[01:23:05] The Western side of the bell naps with gunstock and, um, what is it?
[01:23:10] I forget the name of a peak, but anyway, it's some major.
[01:23:15] No, that's the, that's the Eastern side, but the other side that you and I did in the winter
[01:23:19] and it was, I was bonking out and gassing out and, um, and Piper and Piper.
[01:23:25] Piper.
[01:23:25] Yeah.
[01:23:26] I mean, those are some incredible hikes.
[01:23:28] You really got to commit to those.
[01:23:32] They're not easy.
[01:23:34] Yeah.
[01:23:38] Oh, dead air.
[01:23:41] It's fine.
[01:23:42] I was going to say, I feel like Josh was going to say something earlier.
[01:23:44] That's what I was waiting to say.
[01:23:46] Nope.
[01:23:47] I just said, I love Waterville Valley.
[01:23:48] I'm going, I go there every, every like a new year's Waterville Valley.
[01:23:53] We'll go in the game.
[01:23:54] So Josh, I have a question for you.
[01:23:56] So you, you're hanging around with all these hikers and I know you get out a little bit
[01:23:59] and I saw you got up to, um, I think it was like middle sugar low for something like that.
[01:24:04] Like, what are we going to do to get the bug to bite you where you become obsessed and you're
[01:24:07] like, I'm going to do the 4,000 footer list.
[01:24:09] Ooh.
[01:24:11] Oh.
[01:24:11] That's a good question.
[01:24:13] Grab my popcorn.
[01:24:17] Um, I don't know.
[01:24:18] I really don't.
[01:24:19] I mean, maybe the, if I do it more, I might be more of a thing that I'm very, uh, smitten by,
[01:24:28] I guess, but I don't know.
[01:24:31] It's, I just, I really enjoy the finer things in life.
[01:24:36] I, uh, he, he, he started the list too.
[01:24:39] So we actually went up, it was right before you guys got married, I think, right?
[01:24:44] You and your, your wife, Mel, we went up together,
[01:24:46] but we did Franconia Ridge together back in the, back in the day as it was, um, around
[01:24:51] Labor Day weekend.
[01:24:52] I remember that one because that was the time that that's the last time I ever used a water
[01:24:55] bladder.
[01:24:55] Cause we got like halfway up, um, falling waters.
[01:24:58] And I'm like, why is my backpack wide?
[01:25:00] It was like a September day and my water bladder had punctured.
[01:25:03] So that was fun.
[01:25:04] Yeah.
[01:25:04] Um, haven't used, haven't used one since, but, but yeah, you, you've been on your way,
[01:25:08] but it was fun to get out.
[01:25:10] I mean, what'd you think of middle and North sugar loaf and stuff?
[01:25:12] Like, no, it was good.
[01:25:14] It was good.
[01:25:15] I think the, the hard time for me is I just have a hard time finding free time, I guess
[01:25:20] is the way that I put it.
[01:25:23] I'm all, I always have, I got two young kids.
[01:25:27] Uh, like I got a very, um, not physically demanding, but demanding job that takes a lot of my time.
[01:25:37] So when it comes time for the weekend, it's kind of, it's family time for me right now.
[01:25:42] So my, my daughter's 10 months old, my son's sick.
[01:25:46] So it's like, Oh, you're in the heat of it.
[01:25:48] It's a lot of that.
[01:25:49] Yeah.
[01:25:50] Yeah.
[01:25:50] You're in prime time.
[01:25:51] And honestly, like if it was, I mean, I would have been in the same situation if it wasn't for,
[01:25:55] you know, Nana and Papa having the place up in Maine.
[01:25:58] And, um, you know, uh, even then I was like, all right, I'm leaving at three in the morning and I'll be back at like 11 AM so that I can help with the kids.
[01:26:05] So it was, but yeah, it is tough when you're, uh, when the kids are that age, but we'll, we'll, we will, we'll hold space for you.
[01:26:13] Do you know, you guys heard that saying we're holding space.
[01:26:16] That's apparently like a big thing right now.
[01:26:18] So we're going to hold space for you in the mountains, Josh, and you'll get there eventually.
[01:26:21] Cause the kids are going to get older and they're going to be like, I don't want to hang out with dad.
[01:26:24] He's a loser.
[01:26:25] He doesn't know what he's talking about.
[01:26:26] And you'll come to the mountains with us.
[01:26:28] You know what worked for me?
[01:26:29] Yeah, that's it.
[01:26:29] That was like marital tension.
[01:26:33] That's, that's what worked for me.
[01:26:34] When my marriages were going south, I was out there cranking it.
[01:26:39] It's like, that's another thing.
[01:26:42] That's a system.
[01:26:43] That's a little costly, but you know, that's an expensive way to get free time, but you could try that.
[01:26:48] Plenty of trail time though.
[01:26:50] Yeah, it's great.
[01:26:53] This is, this is, I was going to say, this is like a random tangential thing, but it made me think,
[01:26:57] cause I feel like this is a couple of times I've been talking to Mike and like you were,
[01:27:00] you're at the age where because your daughters are like in the current vernacular of what's hip
[01:27:04] in those words, like, you know, those things like me and Josh are falling behind on that thing.
[01:27:09] Like we say, like you're like the people that are your age that have kids that are more in that,
[01:27:13] that age group now are actually more hip to some degree than we are.
[01:27:16] Like there was something like someone said to me the other day at work and I'm like,
[01:27:18] what the hell does that mean?
[01:27:19] Like, I've never heard them like, like, am I getting older?
[01:27:22] And we're out of the vernacular.
[01:27:23] I can't even imagine.
[01:27:25] I think what happens too is that the, the TikTok algorithm, like somehow it knows that you're
[01:27:30] connected to your family and I think it feeds me the same content that they're consuming.
[01:27:36] And then we have a lot of family group chat where we're just sharing stuff.
[01:27:40] And yeah, so I, I keep up on all the hip stuff that the youngsters are worried about.
[01:27:45] That's fantastic.
[01:27:46] And you are pretty hip, Mike.
[01:27:48] Well, I don't know about that, but, but if you guys do invite me, I will definitely make
[01:27:58] my, I will effort in making it to the hike.
[01:28:02] All right.
[01:28:03] Well, what have you hiked so far?
[01:28:06] I've done Franconia.
[01:28:08] I did Monadnock when I was younger.
[01:28:11] I did the sugar loaves, Willard.
[01:28:15] Oh, cool.
[01:28:19] You need like a good overnight.
[01:28:22] Okay.
[01:28:23] You need a good overnight on something like the Percy Peaks or something.
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[01:29:02] I can do my board.
[01:29:03] I'm going to pull them down for my board.
[01:29:04] I'm going to get up somewhere.
[01:29:06] I'm going to pull them down for my board.
[01:29:07] Mind blowing is always good.
[01:29:09] It's always good.
[01:29:12] That's 60s vernacular.
[01:29:14] I'm talking like my dad.
[01:29:16] I grew up.
[01:29:17] I listen.
[01:29:18] Just listening to you, Mike, it sounds like you are a lot into different sports and things
[01:29:24] like that and staying active in a different way when you were younger.
[01:29:28] And I grew up in all kinds of team sports.
[01:29:32] So basketball, baseball, football, all that stuff.
[01:29:35] I coached college basketball for five years.
[01:29:38] So that is like my activity was always driven by sport and the sense of like competitive sport.
[01:29:51] What's the score?
[01:29:53] What's the score?
[01:29:53] All that stuff.
[01:29:54] So hiking to me is always just like a chore.
[01:29:56] It was always just like I have to just do this walk so I can get to the top and go back down.
[01:30:02] Like so it's a lot of changing the mindset of like what it means to be active and to be chasing a goal in a different way.
[01:30:17] Yeah.
[01:30:18] And I came from a sports background.
[01:30:19] So it's funny like you're a team sports guy.
[01:30:21] I was the opposite.
[01:30:22] Like I never liked team sports.
[01:30:24] I always liked the individual sports.
[01:30:26] So I was always doing track and wrestling was my big sport.
[01:30:29] And I did golf and, you know, any type of running.
[01:30:33] So I got into running when I got a little bit older and I actually coached wrestling for a number of years.
[01:30:40] And then I got into officiating.
[01:30:41] So I was a high school wrestling ref for like 10 years.
[01:30:46] And that was sort of how I got my sort of, I guess, kick for competition and things like that was just being on the mat.
[01:30:56] But then from a time perspective, that didn't work when I had three kids and being away.
[01:31:02] So I had to stop doing that.
[01:31:04] But I think that eventually like I got over the competitive aspect.
[01:31:08] And then, although I did feel, I do feel like hiking to me was competitive for a long time.
[01:31:13] I was competing for myself to just get these lists done and try to do it in like a fast way.
[01:31:19] Like try to hike like, oh, I could do Mount Washington in two and a half hours.
[01:31:22] And I could pat myself on the back.
[01:31:24] But those days are, I could care less at this point.
[01:31:27] I'm more about let's try to find some cool friends to hike with.
[01:31:31] Let's take a lot of breaks.
[01:31:33] Let's build some memories and go from there.
[01:31:35] So I guess that just comes with age.
[01:31:38] Like, that's cool.
[01:31:39] So I think it's interesting.
[01:31:41] So a lot of times you guys, you guys ask guests on your podcast, like what's sort of the hairiest situation?
[01:31:47] Maybe you've gotten yourself into hiking.
[01:31:50] I was going to ask you guys, like what's sort of the maybe the craziest situations like you've experienced sort of in your hiking careers and maybe a time that like you weren't making like I don't think I've even talked about this podcast before.
[01:32:01] But I really quick, I hiked ash with Adams our first time, like in the fog in like October and freezing rain.
[01:32:05] And that's a time I look back on in our hiking career that I'm like, we shouldn't have gone up there.
[01:32:09] Like we made it out fine.
[01:32:10] We had layers, but we're in our heads for sure.
[01:32:13] We hadn't hiked in the northern presides before and visibility was bad.
[01:32:17] But that was one mistake that I made sort of early on.
[01:32:20] So I don't know if you guys had any stories from your hiking careers.
[01:32:28] You want me to go stomp?
[01:32:29] All right.
[01:32:30] So I told the story about like the overnight on Mount Carragene where one of my friends got hypothermic and we had to bring him back from severe hypothermia with hot liquid.
[01:32:43] So you can listen to other episodes and you just do a search in the Slasher podcast for that story.
[01:32:48] Just do hypothermia and you'll find it.
[01:32:50] But I would say honestly like one of the most, now looking back at it with a little bit more of a sober view, I would say one of the sketchiest things I did that I actually can't believe I did is I used to take the kids hiking on my own.
[01:33:07] So I had my three kids and then I had my niece and nephew.
[01:33:11] So there's five of them.
[01:33:13] And every once in a while I would take the kids hiking and give my wife and my sister-in-law, my mother-in-law like a free afternoon.
[01:33:21] So I think they would go to like Settlers Green and North Conway and then I would take the kids hiking.
[01:33:26] And a lot of times it was like Echo Lake or I would drive them up to Cathedral Ledge or I would take them to the river in Bartlett or whatever.
[01:33:36] But one day I decided I was going to take them to Cave Mountain.
[01:33:39] I had taken the kids up to Cave Mountain previously and it was fine.
[01:33:43] I had my wife with me.
[01:33:45] And so I decided I had to pack the five kids in the car.
[01:33:48] We drove to Bartlett.
[01:33:49] If you get to Cave Mountain, it's basically the Mount Langdon Trail.
[01:33:53] And I parked the car and I was like, I can take them and then we can go swimming in the river afterwards.
[01:33:58] And my niece is disabled.
[01:34:01] So she's got like a mild form of cerebral palsy.
[01:34:04] So the left side of her body doesn't really function that well.
[01:34:07] And I had taken the five.
[01:34:09] So my oldest daughter was probably like seven maybe.
[01:34:13] So you're talking like between seven and three, something like that.
[01:34:16] Five kids, maybe eight.
[01:34:18] Eight and three.
[01:34:19] That's a lot.
[01:34:19] Five kids, right?
[01:34:21] Yeah.
[01:34:21] So I'd taken them up there and I don't know if you've been to Cave Mountain or not.
[01:34:24] It's a pretty short hike.
[01:34:25] Not a big deal.
[01:34:26] I don't think I checked it out because Mount Langdon's on the way to Parker, right?
[01:34:29] You go up that way.
[01:34:30] Correct, yeah.
[01:34:30] So you basically, at the very beginning of the trailhead, you take a left and it takes
[01:34:34] you up to Cave Mountain.
[01:34:35] Then I think you can reconnect with the Langdon Trail somehow, but I've never done that.
[01:34:39] But anyway, I took them up and it's super steep.
[01:34:42] There's like a worn out slide to get up.
[01:34:46] And I went up and I helped my daughter up and I helped my nephew up.
[01:34:52] And then my niece and then my youngest daughter were having a hard time.
[01:34:56] And I like basically kind of had to drag them up.
[01:34:59] And it was like super dangerous because if they had fallen, they could have gotten really
[01:35:04] badly hurt.
[01:35:05] And I'd say that's probably like, it was okay.
[01:35:08] My niece got a little scratched up, I think.
[01:35:11] And she was upset.
[01:35:12] She was crying.
[01:35:12] I made all the mistakes the parents shouldn't make.
[01:35:14] It's like, you need to keep it fun.
[01:35:17] And I didn't keep it fun.
[01:35:18] I was like, let's get up there no matter what.
[01:35:21] And I could have hurt them.
[01:35:22] And it was a lesson learned for me.
[01:35:26] And luckily it turned out okay.
[01:35:27] But that was a bit sketchy for me.
[01:35:30] How about for you?
[01:35:31] Don't do that.
[01:35:32] You ruin your kid's fun time hiking by dragging them up to something that they're not supposed
[01:35:35] to be on.
[01:35:36] How about for you personally though, Mike?
[01:35:38] Have you been in a situation where you're like, oh damn, I'm in trouble?
[01:35:43] I'd say the only other time was when I did my first winter.
[01:35:47] I don't even know if it was, it was like the, it was right after Christmas.
[01:35:50] Yeah, it was a winter hike.
[01:35:51] I did Lafayette and I did the classic mistake.
[01:35:54] I could, there was no visibility.
[01:35:57] And I continued on to the far left of Lafayette.
[01:36:02] I didn't know the area at all was my first time being up there.
[01:36:05] And I started heading down towards like Garfield and I realized my mistake and I turned right.
[01:36:09] But that could have been ugly.
[01:36:11] Yeah.
[01:36:12] That, it seems like a lot of people have done that.
[01:36:16] Yep.
[01:36:17] Interesting.
[01:36:18] Well, I mean, I've got a couple, I mean, it's funny.
[01:36:22] Glenn Boulder keeps on poking up here.
[01:36:24] So, so Glenn Boulder, just to bring it back, that seems to be your start, Mike, maybe for
[01:36:31] your hiking.
[01:36:31] Uh, August 2nd, 2015 is when Mrs. Stomp got the bite bug, uh, for hiking.
[01:36:40] And two years later, she finished her entire 48.
[01:36:43] That was the start of that.
[01:36:44] Um, but, uh, another interesting trip that I took with my family, I went up with my, uh,
[01:36:51] stepdad, grandpa Stomp and my three oldest daughters.
[01:36:54] And we went up Glenn Boulder across, this is August, like 90 degree day over to Lake of
[01:37:00] the clouds, had a great night at the hut.
[01:37:03] But overnight, unbeknownst to us, a storm rolled in and it was just torrential monsoon rain.
[01:37:10] So we had a hike up from, uh, the hut to the summit.
[01:37:15] We decided not to go back across the garden for safety reasons, uh, up to the summit.
[01:37:20] Thank God we got a ride back down.
[01:37:22] But that was, that was the moment with the kids that was like, oh man, that was a bad
[01:37:26] call.
[01:37:27] What the hell?
[01:37:28] Uh, for me personally, two things, the Lowell shoot, um, yes, the Lowell shoot was, see,
[01:37:37] this goes back, back to, uh, I think it was like, I don't know, 2016 or so in the heat
[01:37:44] of the, the social media hiking thing with obnoxious hikers.
[01:37:48] And then the, the hooligans, there was this, I fell for the whole adrenaline thing.
[01:37:53] Like this, like, oh, I got to do something crazy in post, you know what I mean?
[01:37:57] No, no doubt about it.
[01:37:58] So I was doing some crazy stuff.
[01:37:59] So I, I got the idea of doing the Lowell shoot, which is across from Carragane on the
[01:38:05] Eastern side of Carragane signal Ridge.
[01:38:07] And it's just, just this like thousand foot tall gully.
[01:38:12] Uh, so we, we did that and it was essentially a, a solo climb because you can't use, uh,
[01:38:20] actual climbing gear because it's so brittle.
[01:38:24] Okay.
[01:38:24] That was pretty sketchy.
[01:38:26] Um, there are some videos out there.
[01:38:28] Um, if anybody's interested, there's only like two or three videos out there.
[01:38:32] There's this one video from the seventies of this father and a son doing it, uh, which is
[01:38:37] pretty hairy, but I went in with two other guys and we did that.
[01:38:41] Um, that was probably the gnarliest, most dangerous thing I've done.
[01:38:49] Um, beyond that, I think that the third thing would be coming across the Cannon Talos, Cannon
[01:38:56] Cliffs Talos field.
[01:38:57] I had the idea of doing like this across the Talos field and then up and over in early
[01:39:03] spring.
[01:39:04] And I went across the Talos field, started bushwhacking up Cannon Cliffs from the Southern
[01:39:09] side, Lafayette campground, got up to the top where the overlook is, where you can come
[01:39:16] up Kinsman Ridge trail and see that view of, uh, Franconia Ridge and, uh, continued down
[01:39:22] looking for the old man.
[01:39:25] And I was maybe a quarter mile into that and I look into my pack and I had, uh, failed
[01:39:31] to pack my winter pants.
[01:39:33] So at that point I was approaching the old man and I was starting to cramp up and I didn't
[01:39:41] have my winter pants and I was absolutely terrified.
[01:39:44] Uh, it was absolutely terrifying.
[01:39:46] That was probably the, the one episode that I always go back to thinking like, man, I could
[01:39:51] have been in big trouble.
[01:39:53] Uh, so yeah.
[01:39:54] So did you just force yourself to sort of keep moving and warm up?
[01:39:57] Well, deal or?
[01:39:58] Well, yeah.
[01:39:59] So I, I turned back to try to find that overlook.
[01:40:03] And after a good hour of just trudging through deep snow to get back to Kinsman Ridge trail,
[01:40:10] I hit the trail and the, the, the hike down was just like, thank God.
[01:40:16] It was, that was probably the closest thing.
[01:40:18] There's nothing scarier than when your muscles start cramping up due to cold and dehydration
[01:40:24] or whatever else.
[01:40:25] Oh yeah.
[01:40:27] Oh yeah.
[01:40:28] That sounds pretty hairy.
[01:40:29] I was going to ask too on, on the Mount Washington story, like how, how old were your daughters
[01:40:32] like that age group bringing them up?
[01:40:34] Oh, Lucy, Lucy on that trip, Lucy was the youngest and she was like five.
[01:40:39] So she spent, she made it up to the Alpine garden, um, more or less with me carrying her.
[01:40:48] Um, the two older girls had a great time.
[01:40:50] Um, but I mean, it was just like August.
[01:40:53] I mean, the bugs were out, the heat, it was crazy.
[01:40:57] But the one thing I will say about that trip, the most poignant memory was waking up to the
[01:41:01] sound of some AMC hut member, hut crew member playing the violin to wake us up in the morning.
[01:41:07] Like the girls will never forget that.
[01:41:09] Even as difficult as that trip was, they'll never forget that moment.
[01:41:14] And nor will I.
[01:41:17] Yeah.
[01:41:17] That's, that's neat.
[01:41:18] Yeah.
[01:41:19] I feel like I need to do a hut stay.
[01:41:20] I've heard people talk very highly of them.
[01:41:22] I've yet to sort of do one, but it seems like lakes of the clouds is definitely a, a to-do thing.
[01:41:27] That's a cool one.
[01:41:28] Yeah.
[01:41:29] I've been thinking about doing like a, the winter hut thing too is such a great experience.
[01:41:34] Is it just, is it just like Zeter, Zeter, Zealand.
[01:41:38] I was, I combined the words of Zealand and Carter and one trying to be efficient, but
[01:41:42] is it like Zealand hut, Carter and lakes of the cloud?
[01:41:46] Not lakes.
[01:41:47] Lakes is closed.
[01:41:48] No, lakes is open.
[01:41:49] But a loan.
[01:41:49] Carter.
[01:41:50] Lake is.
[01:41:51] Okay.
[01:41:52] Lonesome lake.
[01:41:53] And Zealand.
[01:41:54] Correct.
[01:41:55] Yeah.
[01:41:55] That's right.
[01:41:56] Yeah.
[01:41:56] I don't know if they kept Lonesome open in the winter too.
[01:41:58] I was curious about that.
[01:41:59] Another side point on that too, car camping.
[01:42:02] If you want to camp in the winter, you can go to Lafayette campground.
[01:42:05] I believe they do have winter sites open and there's a caretaker there.
[01:42:09] And then I think it's a Hancock campground.
[01:42:13] You can camp year round too.
[01:42:16] So.
[01:42:16] Yeah.
[01:42:17] I feel, yeah.
[01:42:17] I feel like I always see people or hear about people staying there.
[01:42:20] So through the year, but yeah, it's good options.
[01:42:22] Cool.
[01:42:23] Cool.
[01:42:24] Cool.
[01:42:24] Well, thanks for sharing.
[01:42:25] Yeah.
[01:42:25] I've always wanted to ask you, ask you guys that question.
[01:42:27] So that was a good excuse to be able to do that.
[01:42:29] But that was, that was super cool to hear that.
[01:42:31] Um, do you have any other, any other questions, Josh?
[01:42:35] No, man.
[01:42:37] Who's your favorite?
[01:42:38] Who's your favorite co-host of slasher?
[01:42:43] Mike always drops that bomb.
[01:42:44] It shows.
[01:42:48] It's funny.
[01:42:49] Just blink twice.
[01:42:51] If it's me.
[01:42:54] Um, I feel like me and Mike are pretty similar and you and Nick are pretty similar.
[01:42:58] So that's kind of funny.
[01:42:59] That's true.
[01:42:59] That is true.
[01:43:01] There's definitely, definitely parallels there.
[01:43:03] Well, we want to, thanks again, guys for, uh, for coming on.
[01:43:06] This was, this was a blast.
[01:43:08] Thank you.
[01:43:08] I appreciate it.
[01:43:09] You guys, I do listen.
[01:43:10] I listen when I run in the morning, sometimes on the, you know, the podcast, I'll turn it on
[01:43:14] and I appreciate, um, you know, getting to know both of you and, um, you know, it's been
[01:43:20] great watching you guys develop and, um, it's great show.
[01:43:24] And, um, again, appreciate you guys having us on.
[01:43:28] We're honored.
[01:43:28] Yeah, for sure.
[01:43:29] Same here.
[01:43:30] Yeah.
[01:43:30] Great.
[01:43:31] Thanks so much.
[01:43:34] I'm just happy.
[01:43:35] I just was able to show up and just answer questions.
[01:43:38] I have to think.
[01:43:39] That's easy.
[01:43:40] Well, I'm sure you'll be doing some podcasts in this week, so I'm sure you'll get back.
[01:43:43] You'll get back.
[01:43:44] All right, man.
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[01:44:29] So what's new, buddy?
[01:44:30] What's new on the media front?
[01:44:32] Man, I've been watching this, this new anime called Beast Stars.
[01:44:37] Oh yeah, it's good.
[01:44:38] They're all animals.
[01:44:40] Beast Stars?
[01:44:40] They're just living together.
[01:44:42] Oh, okay.
[01:44:42] Yeah.
[01:44:43] Yeah.
[01:44:43] Beast Stars.
[01:44:45] Yeah.
[01:44:45] So it's like Beast Stars.
[01:44:48] Beast Stars.
[01:44:50] Um, but yeah, it's like a bunch of animals.
[01:44:53] They're living together like herbivores, carnivores, and they just kind of live in harmony, but
[01:44:58] they're like people.
[01:44:59] So it's kind of like a, it's a fun, like.
[01:45:03] A weird premise.
[01:45:04] Yeah.
[01:45:05] It's, it's, it's, yeah.
[01:45:07] It's hard to explain, but it kind of talk.
[01:45:10] I mean, it kind of is like a, uh, metaphor for like society and maybe the class system
[01:45:19] a little bit.
[01:45:20] Maybe like cultural things.
[01:45:24] So it's not like a children's anime or it is, but.
[01:45:26] Oh no, it's definitely not.
[01:45:28] There's a little rabbit that's out there banging all of them.
[01:45:31] Okay.
[01:45:32] Huh.
[01:45:34] Well then.
[01:45:36] Yeah.
[01:45:37] It's, it's a good, it's a good show.
[01:45:38] I'm assuming we're not talking about banging like on their knocking on their doors.
[01:45:42] No, no, no.
[01:45:43] Okay.
[01:45:44] Yep.
[01:45:44] Okay.
[01:45:44] I'm just making sure.
[01:45:46] I can go into more detail.
[01:45:48] No, we're going to keep it.
[01:45:49] We're going to keep off the explicit rating.
[01:45:51] So that's good.
[01:45:52] I think people get it.
[01:45:55] Cool.
[01:45:58] Oh man.
[01:45:59] How about you, man?
[01:46:00] You watch anything good?
[01:46:02] So, uh, right before I left for Las Vegas, uh, one of the nights, um, Ash was out with
[01:46:07] cousins.
[01:46:08] So it was just me and Rylan.
[01:46:09] Like, that's why we ended up like hiking together and hanging out and we had, we had a blast,
[01:46:12] but one of the nights I finally got to watch doing part two.
[01:46:15] So, um, as someone who's a big fan of the books was super happy with kind of the cinematic
[01:46:21] universe they created with that.
[01:46:23] There was a couple of things that they did, um, that were plot wise were completely different
[01:46:29] than the book.
[01:46:30] There was a, I don't want to spoil it too much in case people don't know the books at
[01:46:34] all, but there's one decision in particular of how they portrayed, um, Paul's, I guess,
[01:46:40] partner in the movie Chaney.
[01:46:42] Um, but I'm curious how they're going to save it.
[01:46:44] Cause I know that they greenlit basically doing Messiah, which is the next book in the,
[01:46:49] uh, in sort of the whole series.
[01:46:51] And there's part of the decisions they made that I'm curious how they're going to adjust
[01:46:54] it to the future story.
[01:46:56] But, um, that being said, some of the differences aside from the book and some of the past version
[01:47:02] of the film, I thought they did a great job with, uh, with creating that whole universe
[01:47:05] and the size scale scope of it.
[01:47:08] Um, Christopher Walken as the emperor was pretty sick.
[01:47:12] Like I enjoy it.
[01:47:13] Yeah, exactly.
[01:47:13] I just kept hearing you doing Christopher Walken impressions in my head.
[01:47:16] You're talking to my guy all wrong.
[01:47:18] Yeah, exactly.
[01:47:21] Like, is this him?
[01:47:22] But, uh, yeah, it was, it was good.
[01:47:24] I very much enjoyed it.
[01:47:25] I think the, the length was pretty good.
[01:47:27] It really moved very quickly compared to the first film and almost felt like I, I feel
[01:47:31] like maybe they'll do extended versions of it.
[01:47:32] Like they did with the Lord of the Rings.
[01:47:34] I kind of hope they do that like a director's cut.
[01:47:36] Cause I feel like you could each, you could make probably the first and second movie, like,
[01:47:40] um, easily like an hour longer, especially the second one.
[01:47:43] But it was good.
[01:47:44] I thought again, some real it's filmed really well.
[01:47:46] I thought the music and everything was super cool.
[01:47:48] The way, the way they portrayed everything is, um, I think the best representation of any
[01:47:54] version of that film, um, that has been produced yet.
[01:47:58] So kudos to them.
[01:47:59] I enjoyed it and looking forward to the next film.
[01:48:02] Nice.
[01:48:03] Yeah.
[01:48:03] Good movie, man.
[01:48:04] I'm just waiting for Charlemagne to like take over, take over all cinema.
[01:48:08] Cause he's like, he's got like that, that Tom Holland like feel to him where he's just
[01:48:14] like going to become very, very, very popular very quickly.
[01:48:18] He did a great job in the movie.
[01:48:20] I thought in particular of really showing how Paul basically starts to sort of go crazy
[01:48:25] and he believes in himself as basically this God figure.
[01:48:28] Oh yeah.
[01:48:28] Um, so, and I mean, he, he is to be fair, like that's kind of the point of the story,
[01:48:33] but, but it's kind of funny.
[01:48:35] Do you see him sort of slowly like lose his mind and, and he's trying to avoid sort of
[01:48:39] like all these outcomes that he can see in the future, but he eventually just gets sucked
[01:48:42] into it, which is like, it brings up, it brings up that whole thing that I think is
[01:48:46] interesting of like, if you know the future, can you actually change it?
[01:48:49] Or is it like that part of your future is part of you knowing the future.
[01:48:52] So you're kind of just sealed with like, it's basically useless that you can see your own
[01:48:57] fate.
[01:48:58] I always find that stuff interesting.
[01:49:00] It's that loop.
[01:49:01] Yeah.
[01:49:02] He's a, Timothy Shalami, I think is playing Bob Dylan in a, that, that new movie.
[01:49:08] Yeah, he is.
[01:49:09] That's pretty cool.
[01:49:09] He is.
[01:49:10] Yeah.
[01:49:11] I think, uh, the guy, I can't think of his name either, but the guy that's in, um,
[01:49:15] can't think of the name of the show either.
[01:49:16] The one that was about all the cooking and stuff, but that dude's going to be, I believe
[01:49:19] played Bruce Springsteen in a upcoming biopic.
[01:49:23] The bear.
[01:49:24] Yeah.
[01:49:25] The bear.
[01:49:25] There you go.
[01:49:25] I'm like, we need one of those references.
[01:49:27] So people like, what are we actually, the guy in what?
[01:49:28] Yeah.
[01:49:29] The, uh, the, the main actor in the bear, I believe is going to be, uh, cast as Bruce
[01:49:33] Springsteen and kind of an upcoming biopic.
[01:49:34] So that's interesting.
[01:49:35] I can see him as that.
[01:49:36] I feel like.
[01:49:37] Yeah.
[01:49:39] I could actually probably see him as Bob Dylan.
[01:49:41] Yeah.
[01:49:42] With the scraggly like hair, dude.
[01:49:47] Yeah.
[01:49:47] I could see that too.
[01:49:48] You ready to get into a hypothetical or what?
[01:50:05] Josh.
[01:50:06] Think of a specific friend of yours, not your best friend, but somebody who is a more
[01:50:13] than an acquaintance and be physically attractive.
[01:50:18] One day while trolling the internet, you accidentally come across three nude, three nude photographs
[01:50:26] of this person reclined in a sofa bed.
[01:50:30] All right.
[01:50:31] The pictures were clearly taken several years ago and it is unclear if the photos were casually
[01:50:37] posed or taken without the subject's knowledge.
[01:50:40] Your friend looks comfortable, but he or she is never looking directly into the lens of the
[01:50:46] camera.
[01:50:47] The pictures are not labeled and your friend's name is not listed anywhere on the site, but
[01:50:53] you're certain that this is the same person that you know.
[01:50:59] All right.
[01:51:00] So, Nick, what do you do with this information and do you tell anyone?
[01:51:07] I don't think I'd do anything.
[01:51:08] I don't know.
[01:51:09] It depends on like who it was.
[01:51:11] Like, that's so subjective.
[01:51:13] And like, they're like a friend, like more than an acquaintance.
[01:51:15] Like, I don't know.
[01:51:16] That's because you were picturing a man.
[01:51:18] Yeah.
[01:51:21] I mean, regardless.
[01:51:24] Yeah.
[01:51:24] I don't know.
[01:51:24] It's just, it's also like, it's so weird how it's like, you're, they're not actually
[01:51:28] looking into the lens.
[01:51:29] Like also, how do you, you can tell like if someone's posing for a photo or not.
[01:51:32] Like, I don't think like, like, are they at weird angles?
[01:51:35] Are they like level shots?
[01:51:36] Like, I don't know.
[01:51:37] It's casual.
[01:51:37] They look comfortable, but they're never looking directly into the lens of the camera.
[01:51:40] So how do you stumble upon like naked photos of someone on the internet that you just
[01:51:45] happen upon them?
[01:51:46] Yeah.
[01:51:47] You don't like Instagram fed them to you and like, I don't know.
[01:51:50] You know what I mean?
[01:51:50] Like, it seems kind of weird to like casually, like if I casually stumbled upon photos of you
[01:51:55] naked laying out, like, I'm just being honest.
[01:51:57] I know they said not to say best friends, but, but I, I probably would talk to you and
[01:52:02] be like, Josh, what happened?
[01:52:04] Do you know about this?
[01:52:05] And you'd be like, oh yeah, that was my fan site or something like that.
[01:52:07] I could see that happening.
[01:52:08] You're like, dude, I had my side hustle.
[01:52:11] I'm with you.
[01:52:12] Does Mel know about this?
[01:52:13] She's like, she does.
[01:52:13] She's okay with it.
[01:52:15] I don't know how you randomly stumble upon that.
[01:52:18] Like, I think you have to get real specific, like to find somebody just casually like hanging
[01:52:24] on a sofa bed, like naked.
[01:52:26] Like it's, that's a very casual thing that happens and ends up on the internet.
[01:52:32] That's like Rose getting drawn on the Titanic and then in the movie.
[01:52:37] Like she didn't casually like sprawl out on a, on like that day bed or whatever.
[01:52:43] Right.
[01:52:43] And you just happened to draw her like, you know, someone's there taking photos.
[01:52:48] Like, I think you got to approach the friend and be like, Hey, at least let them know.
[01:52:53] Like, Hey, like, did you know that these pictures of you are on the internet?
[01:53:01] And then let them kind of like take it from there.
[01:53:04] Cause at least you did the due diligence of like, all right.
[01:53:07] Yeah.
[01:53:08] I let them know.
[01:53:09] So we can, they can get that down if they want.
[01:53:13] You know what I mean?
[01:53:15] Yeah.
[01:53:16] Yeah.
[01:53:17] Alrighty.
[01:53:17] On that note.
[01:53:19] Yeah.
[01:53:19] That's a good one.
[01:53:20] All right, man.
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