New Years Eve Special - Stomp, Dave and Knobbie Talk Winter Bushwhacking & Lost Pass

[00:00:05] Mmm, good pizza.

[00:00:08] To the Sounds Like A Search And Rescue Podcast, where we discuss all things related to hiking and search and rescue in the White Mountains of New Hampshire. Here are your hosts, Mike and Stomp.

[00:01:01] New episode.

[00:01:04] Hey Mike, you're looking kind of funny.

[00:01:08] I think...

[00:01:10] Oh, hey, welcome to another episode of the Slasher Podcast. This is not an official episode. This is just an impromptu episode.

[00:01:25] We are at the Woodpecker's studio.

[00:01:29] And...

[00:01:30] Can you talk for a second?

[00:01:32] Pirate Radio.

[00:01:33] Yeah, you get to get right up on that thing.

[00:01:35] Pirate Radio.

[00:01:37] One, two, three...

[00:01:39] Okay, I'm gonna have to turn you up a little bit.

[00:01:42] Yeah.

[00:01:44] Do it.

[00:01:45] That's right.

[00:01:46] There we go.

[00:01:47] Yeah, we need even more of that.

[00:01:49] Give me some more meat.

[00:01:50] Yep, a little more, a little more.

[00:01:52] There I am!

[00:01:56] Yeah, so we're in the Woodpecker's studio and we have Dave Schitts in the Woods here and Knobbie Hikes.

[00:02:04] And we're just hanging out around the dinner table.

[00:02:07] Good pizza, good pizza.

[00:02:09] Real good pizza.

[00:02:09] Oof!

[00:02:10] Absolutely.

[00:02:11] The old Waterville Pizza place, right?

[00:02:13] Yeah.

[00:02:13] Yeah.

[00:02:15] Gotta get right up on that damn thing.

[00:02:17] Oh, it's so uncomfortable though.

[00:02:18] I think if the pizza was really bad, it still would be really good.

[00:02:22] Yeah, right now?

[00:02:23] Yes.

[00:02:24] Is your volume okay?

[00:02:25] Yeah, no, I think so.

[00:02:27] But I'm way over here.

[00:02:28] We're ironing out the kinks for this impromptu episode here and we're also warming up from our hypothermia.

[00:02:38] So we had a grand adventure that we thought we would share tonight as we eat some pizza from the Waterville Pizza place.

[00:02:47] What is it called again?

[00:02:49] What's that place called?

[00:02:49] It was the old Waterville Pizza...

[00:02:51] Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:52] Something.

[00:02:53] It was mobbed with a bunch of screaming kids and...

[00:02:55] Yes, skiers.

[00:02:56] And we waited what, 45 minutes?

[00:02:59] It felt like seven hours.

[00:03:01] But you know, no complaints.

[00:03:04] Yeah, it wasn't too bad.

[00:03:05] It wasn't too bad.

[00:03:06] It was warm and dry.

[00:03:07] That was harder than the hike, I think.

[00:03:09] Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:10] Well, when you're all soaked, when you're wearing...

[00:03:14] Soaked and waiting for pizza.

[00:03:16] Little whiny kids coming in like, dude, shut up.

[00:03:19] Yeah, vacation kids.

[00:03:20] You've been inside all day.

[00:03:22] Stop being complaining.

[00:03:24] Yeah, so we had a hell of a day.

[00:03:26] So a couple weeks ago, we did the...

[00:03:28] Dave and I, you and I did the Lost Pass.

[00:03:33] Came fairly close and decided to bail.

[00:03:38] You can listen to an earlier episode for that.

[00:03:41] Yeah, you want to get the dirty on this one.

[00:03:44] But we came up with a plan to try a different approach.

[00:03:48] Basically up over the Snow's Mountain,

[00:03:52] which is in Waterville.

[00:03:54] And from there, follow a ridgeline into the Lost Pass

[00:04:01] and hopefully get to that magical location

[00:04:03] that we couldn't get to last time.

[00:04:06] The special dot on the GPS that is official

[00:04:09] and marks the rite of passage that you have made it.

[00:04:12] Who do you think put that there?

[00:04:14] I don't get it.

[00:04:15] I have no idea.

[00:04:15] I don't like them.

[00:04:17] I know that.

[00:04:18] Because it's too official.

[00:04:20] Is there a story behind it?

[00:04:21] I have no idea.

[00:04:22] I looked it up a little bit and I couldn't find one.

[00:04:26] As to the GPS dot?

[00:04:29] No, no, no.

[00:04:30] Yeah, yeah.

[00:04:30] As far as the Lost Pass, like what it means.

[00:04:36] And when I looked it up, it said it could be

[00:04:38] two different things.

[00:04:40] Oh yeah, who knows?

[00:04:42] But can people put those GPS locations

[00:04:45] into these systems that we're using for navigation?

[00:04:48] So it showed up on my Garmin 64ST GPS unit.

[00:04:55] It's just this tiny dot.

[00:04:57] And when you scroll in on it, it says Lost Pass

[00:05:00] and it shows up on your maps too, Dave.

[00:05:03] Yeah, I had two going.

[00:05:04] Garmin off the inReach, so I had more of the phone app going,

[00:05:07] but I also had the hard case GPS,

[00:05:09] which I don't even know the number.

[00:05:10] It's like a 69STD or whatever it was that I have.

[00:05:14] I don't know what its official numbers are,

[00:05:16] but same concept where it's like more specific GPS

[00:05:21] and both had the dots that we were aiming for.

[00:05:24] Yeah. And I had it on Gaia.

[00:05:27] Somebody must've put that dot there.

[00:05:29] It's sort of like Google Earth.

[00:05:30] Like people can put locations in and market.

[00:05:34] Kind of like Google Maps when there's a police,

[00:05:37] you can hit a button.

[00:05:39] It might be a little different.

[00:05:41] There's a Lost Pass ahead.

[00:05:43] Is it still there?

[00:05:45] Oh man.

[00:05:46] So yeah, the morning started out okay.

[00:05:49] Did it?

[00:05:50] Well, yeah.

[00:05:51] Parking?

[00:05:52] The parking situation is pretty lame there.

[00:05:56] And the information out there as to where you start for this hike,

[00:06:01] or at least the Snows Mountain hike is very scant.

[00:06:04] So we went up Snows Mountain Road,

[00:06:07] and that's where there is one entrance if you were going counter-clockwise on

[00:06:14] Snows Mountain to get up to Snows Mountain.

[00:06:16] But that was all plowed in.

[00:06:18] I remember hanging out waiting for Larson and Travis as they were doing their skyline loop last summer,

[00:06:26] or two summers now I think.

[00:06:29] And they came in right out of this guy's backyard.

[00:06:31] So when we went up to Snows Mountain Road,

[00:06:35] clearly there was no place to park.

[00:06:36] It was just snowed in.

[00:06:39] They suggest that you park at the tennis courts at the bottom of the hill.

[00:06:43] Those were all snowed in.

[00:06:44] I mean, we actually saw a groomer go by for the cross-country trails.

[00:06:49] So that threw everything off.

[00:06:53] Like we had no idea where to go.

[00:06:55] We were trying to save some elevation, maybe a couple hundred feet by going there.

[00:07:00] So what happened next?

[00:07:02] I mean, we basically, we tried to go up the driveway, see if anyone would come out.

[00:07:07] Oh, hey, oh, is this a driveway?

[00:07:09] Yeah.

[00:07:09] Do you mind if we park here?

[00:07:10] But that didn't happen.

[00:07:11] We, yeah.

[00:07:12] So we went up further and tried a couple of different spots that look like they might connect if we bush back,

[00:07:17] but there's no on street parking.

[00:07:18] And again, it's like everything else.

[00:07:20] You'd be respectful of street signs, no, you know, no trespassing.

[00:07:23] On that guy's shed though, there was that sign.

[00:07:25] It said, uh, Snows Mountain Trail with an arrow, but.

[00:07:29] But it's like next to his shed in his driveway.

[00:07:32] So it was, it was that like, oh, do you park right at this man's house or person's house?

[00:07:37] And you know.

[00:07:38] Yeah, there was, there was no room for that.

[00:07:40] I think it would be really helpful if, if maybe the athletic association or, or who knows, whatever organization in Waterville clarified what the options are to get access to that trail.

[00:07:51] Clearly it's being used.

[00:07:52] That one approach from that guy's house was broken out when I scoped it out.

[00:07:57] Um, so I don't know.

[00:08:00] But there's absolutely no parking on the street at all.

[00:08:02] No.

[00:08:03] Or is, is if you have it off the street, is that, is that doable?

[00:08:07] I mean, was there room off the street if there wasn't snow there in the, well, in the warmer climates, there were a couple soft shoulders that I remember that I was waiting for Travis and Larson to come out from, but, and they were, there was no signage then, but Dave, you notice signs.

[00:08:21] Yeah.

[00:08:22] When I turned around, it was very, it literally said no on street parking.

[00:08:26] Yeah.

[00:08:27] Hmm.

[00:08:28] Well, and I'm very literal.

[00:08:29] So that's, I did not park on the street.

[00:08:33] And then we asked that one, uh, the one guy that lived there, we ran to the guy that lived

[00:08:38] there.

[00:08:38] He just laughed.

[00:08:39] Yeah.

[00:08:39] He was walking his dog pointing down the hill down, down there boys.

[00:08:44] Yep.

[00:08:44] Can't get there from here.

[00:08:47] So he literally laughed.

[00:08:49] Yeah.

[00:08:50] He was like, yeah, it's not going to happen.

[00:08:52] And he's like, basically he did steer us to a big parking lot, which is like the Wachusett

[00:08:57] like skiing training facility or something.

[00:08:59] That was helpful.

[00:09:00] At the base of a ski hill.

[00:09:01] Yeah.

[00:09:01] And it was, it was a wide, wide open parking lot, which was nice.

[00:09:05] And it, and it technically was the other trailhead.

[00:09:09] Yeah.

[00:09:10] Yeah.

[00:09:11] Yeah.

[00:09:11] That worked.

[00:09:11] The other trailhead.

[00:09:12] So yeah.

[00:09:14] So it's a loop.

[00:09:15] So it's like a four mile loop.

[00:09:17] To snow, snow is make, yeah.

[00:09:18] If you use the road between, yes, it makes a loop.

[00:09:22] It goes up and around up snow's road.

[00:09:24] I think it is or whatever that road is.

[00:09:27] Mm.

[00:09:27] Yeah.

[00:09:28] Something like that.

[00:09:28] But the trail trail makes kind of like a wishbone if you can visualize it.

[00:09:32] Mm.

[00:09:32] So that's what we ended up having to do.

[00:09:34] We, um, we did go to the, uh, the ski area once when then we bailed out and we tried

[00:09:40] some dead ends and then we came back to a large parking lot that, that dog walker had suggested.

[00:09:45] And that was a lot for the defunct, uh, ski slope, which is snows mountain ski slope.

[00:09:52] But it looks like they do maybe some training there for skiing.

[00:09:54] There's a big ski ramp.

[00:09:55] It was definitely some kind of ramp where they must, I don't know how they land.

[00:09:59] We didn't, we didn't, couldn't figure that out, but we didn't see a pile of bodies, but

[00:10:03] they definitely, there's some kind of aerial.

[00:10:06] Didn't look too active.

[00:10:07] Ramp.

[00:10:07] No.

[00:10:08] There was a ton of snow on the lift.

[00:10:09] So the chairs had, had quite a bit of snow on them.

[00:10:12] They haven't been used since it snowed recently.

[00:10:16] Hmm.

[00:10:17] But that wasn't our concern.

[00:10:19] Our goal was up and over straight in the lost pass with no issues and beautiful weather.

[00:10:24] That worked out good though.

[00:10:26] Nailed it.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] The forecast was saying episode over.

[00:10:30] Thank you.

[00:10:31] Good night.

[00:10:33] Yeah.

[00:10:34] The forecast was calling for sun or probably cloudy around 11.

[00:10:37] That was not the case.

[00:10:39] Um, it was just grace guys, really warmish.

[00:10:44] Uh, so it was a warm start.

[00:10:47] Um, we ended up, um, snow showing straight up the ski trail, maybe three quarters of the

[00:10:53] way up, maybe 300 feet up.

[00:10:55] And then there's a U S forest service sign for snows mountain trail and the green, what

[00:11:02] is it?

[00:11:02] The Greeley ledges trail.

[00:11:04] Was that the name of that?

[00:11:05] Yeah.

[00:11:05] The Greeley ledges jump off of that.

[00:11:07] Yep.

[00:11:08] Hmm.

[00:11:08] Yeah.

[00:11:08] So we ended up making our way up to snows mountain.

[00:11:13] Pretty uneventful.

[00:11:14] Um, we were following one foot path, you know, one set of, uh, boots.

[00:11:21] And this guy was wandering all over the place at certain points.

[00:11:24] Um, a little bit confusing, but between the three of us, we, uh, really flattened down

[00:11:30] the path pretty well.

[00:11:32] Um, it was slightly blazed, you know, there were yellow blazes.

[00:11:36] They, they were there sporadically.

[00:11:38] I could see why the person ahead of us did what they did, but they, they definitely, they

[00:11:45] would have been arrested if they were pulled out of the car and that was a straight line

[00:11:48] that they were all over the place.

[00:11:50] Hmm.

[00:11:50] Um, yeah.

[00:11:52] Faded blazes.

[00:11:53] So the, um, the summit was cool.

[00:11:56] There was one vantage, um, that showed us a view of, pardon the, uh, the pizza here,

[00:12:02] I'm still chewing pizza, but I really don't care.

[00:12:06] Um, so yeah, the view was, uh, of, uh, noon peak and Jennings, but they were socked in.

[00:12:13] So you can, the tops are chopped off essentially.

[00:12:16] We can see a hair of Welch.

[00:12:20] Um, and that was about it.

[00:12:22] And that's where the fun began because that was the beginning of the bushwhack.

[00:12:25] So we had two miles to get to the summit of snows.

[00:12:28] And then the bushwhack was what approximately what the, the estimate to get to the lost pass.

[00:12:35] It looks like that that was like halfway that, that are the bushwhack after that was as

[00:12:43] equal as getting to snows mountain.

[00:12:45] Cause it seemed, seemed pretty far.

[00:12:48] It was a mile and a half close to two.

[00:12:49] I think if I remember right.

[00:12:51] Yeah.

[00:12:51] Once you came off the backside of snow or the, I don't even know what side you call it.

[00:12:55] This.

[00:12:56] Off the summit.

[00:12:57] Hmm.

[00:12:58] And the track dropped down.

[00:12:59] The track stopped at, he, he didn't go any farther than, than snows mountain.

[00:13:04] And, uh, so we just had to try to figure out where to go from there.

[00:13:08] Yeah.

[00:13:08] As opposed to the previous attempt, which was more or less following a series of brooks and

[00:13:15] drainages and side sloping the whole way up to 2,800 feet.

[00:13:19] The idea with this was to get to the top of this snows mountain ridge, which is, was essentially

[00:13:25] what?

[00:13:26] 2,800, 2,900 feet.

[00:13:29] And on the topo maps, there were three, maybe three pods that we could skirt around if we

[00:13:36] kept the contour at 28.

[00:13:38] And then, you know, two miles out, we would drop down 0.4 to the lost pass.

[00:13:43] That was the plan.

[00:13:45] Um, I mean, yeah, I mean, we, for the most part, uh, the first, what mile of bushwhack

[00:13:51] was pretty straightforward.

[00:13:55] No big surprises.

[00:13:56] Nothing.

[00:13:57] It was very uneventful, pretty, pretty obvious where, where we needed to be and where we wanted

[00:14:02] to be.

[00:14:02] Just stay on top of the ridge as we were going along just, and we wanted to stay to the right

[00:14:06] a little bit cause we knew that, you know, I mean to the left a little bit cause we knew

[00:14:09] that the right was, was way too steep.

[00:14:12] And, uh, and that was working out great.

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] We subtly dropped down.

[00:14:18] We, we, what we thought we've thought we found some kind of logging cut.

[00:14:22] It seemed like there were a bunch.

[00:14:23] And we followed that really well for awhile, but the snow got deep.

[00:14:27] I mean, it got sticky.

[00:14:28] Yeah.

[00:14:29] Especially where there wasn't any trees, like an open area.

[00:14:32] Um, the snow was really deep there.

[00:14:34] Hmm.

[00:14:36] Before we move too far on, there were cool views of, um, the South Tripyramid slide,

[00:14:42] um, to our left as we were heading out.

[00:14:45] So this, this approaches what?

[00:14:46] Through the trees.

[00:14:47] Yeah.

[00:14:48] Yeah.

[00:14:48] Oh yeah.

[00:14:48] Totally half obscured, but you can see the sleepers, uh, the whole stretch of the sleepers

[00:14:54] from, we're pretty sure that was the stretch all the way over to Whiteface.

[00:15:00] Um, and that was, that was actually really cool.

[00:15:03] That was a cool vantage, seeing the sleepers from the South looking North and actually seeing

[00:15:08] South Tripyramid slide in the back there too.

[00:15:12] And then, then there was a massive, uh, call in between what seemed to be probably Sabadei,

[00:15:19] the full killer area, um, and then ascending up into the sleepers to the East.

[00:15:24] So, um, still not sure how that worked out and what's in there, but I'm not too familiar

[00:15:31] with that.

[00:15:31] I've never gone down Sabadei.

[00:15:33] I've gone down to the full killer from Tripyramid and then back up.

[00:15:36] Oh, I've never done that trail.

[00:15:38] I did the full killer from Sabadei.

[00:15:41] Up?

[00:15:42] Did you ascend?

[00:15:42] I went up Sabadei and then continued straight.

[00:15:45] Yeah.

[00:15:46] And then followed that.

[00:15:47] I forget where I turned off, but that one, I found a beautiful ridge right up to the summit.

[00:15:53] That was cool.

[00:15:54] That was a nice day.

[00:15:55] That was, yep.

[00:15:56] That's neat.

[00:15:57] That was, uh, the early days of my bush wagon.

[00:16:00] I went down from mid Tripyramid and then found that.

[00:16:04] So it's like a hairpin a thousand feet down.

[00:16:07] And at the hairpin, I went up 200 feet to the, the ridge where the full killer register

[00:16:12] was, but I was laying out, uh, flagging every like 10 feet cause I was a noob and I was

[00:16:18] absolutely terrified.

[00:16:20] Yeah.

[00:16:21] Yeah.

[00:16:21] The popcorn.

[00:16:22] Oh yeah.

[00:16:23] I was so terrified, but that was a good time.

[00:16:27] All right.

[00:16:28] So yeah, we got that.

[00:16:29] So we got that partial view.

[00:16:31] Um, snow ended up getting deeper.

[00:16:34] Like you guys mentioned, maybe what max a foot, um, and lower.

[00:16:40] Um, I was, I was just wearing my, uh, minus 33 micro fleece and eventually had to put on

[00:16:48] a middle soft middle layer.

[00:16:51] I'd never had to use my, my heavier Gore-Tex outer layer, which was good.

[00:17:23] So yeah.

[00:17:25] So yeah.

[00:17:25] Let's listen.

[00:17:27] Um, what else?

[00:17:28] What else happened like in the middle there?

[00:17:31] Any big, uh, faux pas?

[00:17:35] I think we challenged all of the, the hike safe things today.

[00:17:40] Yeah.

[00:17:41] Some of them anyway, some, some things happened.

[00:17:43] Definitely.

[00:17:43] Some things happened.

[00:17:44] The weather started to get, it was, it was warm, but yeah, that's deceiving.

[00:17:50] Right.

[00:17:50] And one time I was, uh, going down the trail and there was, uh, logs and, uh, my, my foot

[00:17:56] went down in between these two logs.

[00:17:59] And, uh, luckily I didn't, I didn't really hurt myself, but I just, I couldn't move after

[00:18:04] I did that.

[00:18:04] And then, uh, and then, uh, stomp, you had to, you had to help pull me back.

[00:18:09] Cause I, I just, I was like paralyzed.

[00:18:11] Just stuck.

[00:18:12] That was a little scary.

[00:18:13] Yeah.

[00:18:13] I'm injured.

[00:18:14] Yeah.

[00:18:15] Thankfully.

[00:18:17] But, uh, you were quiet today.

[00:18:20] You were quiet today.

[00:18:21] I was quiet.

[00:18:22] I was concerningly quiet.

[00:18:23] I was like, well, who is this guy?

[00:18:24] Like, what is, what's, is he all right?

[00:18:27] Is he going to, is he going to bury us at the loss?

[00:18:30] He's going to put his own dot out there.

[00:18:31] Well, you know, the thing is, I really didn't know what I was biting off because you guys

[00:18:36] said, yeah, we're going to lost pass.

[00:18:38] And so I'm looking at it on the map.

[00:18:40] I'm like, what the hell is lost pass?

[00:18:42] And I had no idea.

[00:18:43] I looked it up online and there was really no information.

[00:18:48] And so, uh, so I'm thinking to myself, all right, nobody's found it.

[00:18:52] We sold it so well.

[00:18:53] We sold it so well.

[00:18:56] I'm going along.

[00:18:56] Okay.

[00:18:58] Something magical is going to happen when we get lost pass.

[00:19:02] This is, this is, this is funny talking about this.

[00:19:05] Cause I just hit you up.

[00:19:06] I'm like, Hey, Dave and I doing the lost pass.

[00:19:07] You want to go?

[00:19:08] I'm, I'm, I'm always up for an adventure.

[00:19:10] So I was hit and miss.

[00:19:11] I didn't know if you were going to be working at the school or not.

[00:19:13] Yeah.

[00:19:13] No.

[00:19:14] So I, uh, no, I, I have a couple of weeks off.

[00:19:17] So, um, I was like, I'm in.

[00:19:20] And then Dave, I sent you a text.

[00:19:22] I'm like, Hey, did I say Navi and I are doing it?

[00:19:24] Yep.

[00:19:25] Yep.

[00:19:26] You played both of us against each other.

[00:19:29] And I was like, well, if he's going, I'm going.

[00:19:30] I'm going to be a manipulative bastard.

[00:19:32] And I, I had plans, which I never have plans necessarily socially, but we actually did.

[00:19:37] Cause we do that once in a while and just check that box.

[00:19:41] But I was able to switch it to Friday and then it fit.

[00:19:45] So I was like, now I wish I could time travel and be like, don't switch that.

[00:19:50] Like in Distiller.

[00:19:51] Stay.

[00:19:53] But I am convinced that like everybody does time travel and this is as good as it gets.

[00:19:58] You've already fixed all this crap and this is as good as it's going to be.

[00:20:01] So don't worry about it.

[00:20:04] It's too funny.

[00:20:04] Yeah.

[00:20:05] So I roped them both in, but I was going to go anyway.

[00:20:08] Um, which brings up an interesting point.

[00:20:11] Um, going solo on an adventure like that versus going with other people.

[00:20:16] That would be a terrible idea.

[00:20:19] The stuff, the stuff that happened to us today, if you were by yourself would be so, wouldn't

[00:20:24] be a very good idea.

[00:20:25] We're very unsafe.

[00:20:27] Well, it goes, yeah, it goes back to being super prepared.

[00:20:29] If you're doing the solo thing, you got to have all of it.

[00:20:33] Plus.

[00:20:35] Yep.

[00:20:35] I don't really don't know.

[00:20:36] I haven't really snowshoed that much, but it definitely is more dangerous than just regular

[00:20:42] hiking.

[00:20:42] Cause you have stuff like, like what I did when you fall down between two logs and you

[00:20:47] have, um, I can't tell you how many times I fell, you know, like, I don't know where

[00:20:53] you won today.

[00:20:54] We're in the fall down contest.

[00:20:56] You had the best at the very end with the headlamp.

[00:20:59] That was like, I think he landed a plane by accident.

[00:21:01] Yeah.

[00:21:01] And he tumbled so many times that.

[00:21:03] Well, hold on a minute.

[00:21:05] We got to go over the tumbles.

[00:21:06] Guys on the way out.

[00:21:07] There's a lot of fall.

[00:21:09] We'll get back to that.

[00:21:10] That's hilarious.

[00:21:11] No water, plenty of falls.

[00:21:14] But yeah.

[00:21:15] So being super prepared.

[00:21:16] I was really glad that I was with you two today because it is pretty dangerous.

[00:21:21] I think if you're biting off anything more than like a mile into the back country, even

[00:21:27] that's like.

[00:21:27] Bushwhacking in the snow is completely different than, than, uh, going down flat, flat ground

[00:21:33] with your, with your snowshoes.

[00:21:35] Yeah.

[00:21:36] It's, it's a, you're, you're biting off a lot more and that's why, you know, it, you

[00:21:40] don't know what's under there and then all of a sudden you fall over and.

[00:21:43] And in the bushwhacking scenario.

[00:21:45] Yeah.

[00:21:46] On trail, it's a little better, I think.

[00:21:47] Yeah.

[00:21:47] Definitely.

[00:21:48] It's a little more packed down and that's a lot more safe, but.

[00:21:50] But the bushwhacking is not predictable at all.

[00:21:53] You have no idea what's under this snow.

[00:21:55] No, you're right.

[00:21:55] Yeah.

[00:21:55] Yeah.

[00:21:56] So you, you almost twisted your ankle falling through like a, not a spruce trap, but it was

[00:22:00] like a boulder hole.

[00:22:01] Yeah.

[00:22:02] Yeah.

[00:22:02] Where we, we had to go over the top of it.

[00:22:04] Two trees that had fallen and.

[00:22:05] Yeah.

[00:22:05] Somehow he turned his leg and the, the, the snowshoe went between the two trees and would not come

[00:22:10] back out.

[00:22:11] Yeah.

[00:22:12] That was weird.

[00:22:13] Crazy.

[00:22:14] Um, and watching you keep pulling them while his leg was in there was classic.

[00:22:18] His left leg is now six feet long.

[00:22:23] And then, all right.

[00:22:25] So we're like halfway through the bushwhack and then a mechanical failure happens.

[00:22:29] So let's talk about that.

[00:22:31] Cause that was pretty wild.

[00:22:32] That was.

[00:22:34] Yeah.

[00:22:34] That, that was cruising along and we were getting close to what we thought was going to be the

[00:22:39] level spot coming up.

[00:22:41] And we were all excited that we're, we're right on top of this where it's going to plateau.

[00:22:45] It's going to level out.

[00:22:46] We're going to see the lost pass.

[00:22:47] We're going to see the yellow brick road.

[00:22:49] It's going to be, you know, release the doves.

[00:22:52] It's going to be the best day ever.

[00:22:54] Rainbows.

[00:22:55] And the left foot went down and it came back up and it felt odd.

[00:22:59] And I kept walking and I heard knobby say, uh, you kind of slipped out of your snowshoe.

[00:23:04] And I looked in the harness that holds the back of my foot was around my knee and realized

[00:23:09] the snowshoe was still on my foot and that was my snowshoe basically fell apart.

[00:23:13] Yeah.

[00:23:15] Um, the number one rule I think of any situation, regardless of your, your mindset, your skillset,

[00:23:21] your strength, whatever you want to call it is, do not panic.

[00:23:25] So when I realized the snowshoe was blown up, we're good.

[00:23:28] What?

[00:23:29] Three, four miles into the woods at this point.

[00:23:31] Yeah.

[00:23:31] That was pretty deep.

[00:23:32] And in your foot of snow, I'm post holding up over my knee.

[00:23:36] I'm not a tall person, but even still it's, it's a lot of snow and the knee jerk reaction

[00:23:42] is like, Oh shit.

[00:23:43] Now what, what do we do?

[00:23:45] It's like you figure it out.

[00:23:46] And that's where knowing your limits, planning ahead of time, not panicking, having stuff

[00:23:52] to, to piece it together.

[00:23:53] I think you're very well prepared.

[00:23:55] I mean, a lot of people wouldn't, wouldn't have be prepared for that, but what you had the

[00:23:59] right stuff to fix it.

[00:24:01] And, uh, it goes back to experience because I've, I've done the stupid things where you're

[00:24:06] like, you know, next time I shouldn't do that.

[00:24:08] Or you do hear the stories like, yeah, I should do that.

[00:24:11] But if you should do it, you should go do it tomorrow.

[00:24:14] Um, and what I had in my bag was I carry metal zip ties.

[00:24:18] Um, and I highly, highly recommend that if you, I didn't even know those were, uh, I

[00:24:23] didn't know they existed.

[00:24:24] They are to me more durable than plastic, which we'll get into the durability a little bit

[00:24:29] later on in the program.

[00:24:31] Um, but they tend to be much more durable.

[00:24:34] They don't break in the cold, cold weather.

[00:24:36] Um, they tend to be much stronger.

[00:24:38] So I was able to zip the heel back down and then basically zip the bridge in the middle

[00:24:43] down.

[00:24:44] And I had a workable snowshoe.

[00:24:46] It didn't drop down like a flip flop or a sandal or a regular snowshoe.

[00:24:50] If you can visualize it, it was basically attached to my foot the entire time.

[00:24:54] If you had a, um, a multi-tool, could you snip off the extra?

[00:24:59] Unused.

[00:25:00] I probably could have.

[00:25:00] Yep.

[00:25:01] Yep.

[00:25:01] But that was an issue.

[00:25:03] That wasn't, it wouldn't have looked as cool though.

[00:25:04] Cause it looked like I had racing fins in, you know, behind me that was sticking.

[00:25:08] Yeah.

[00:25:08] I thought it looked really cool.

[00:25:10] It was very cool.

[00:25:11] Huh?

[00:25:12] Really?

[00:25:12] You don't like talking into microphones, huh?

[00:25:14] I don't.

[00:25:15] I don't.

[00:25:15] It's, it's awkward.

[00:25:16] I, I, I, I, I, it's so awkward.

[00:25:21] Okay.

[00:25:22] That's fine.

[00:25:23] Subtle.

[00:25:23] Real subtle.

[00:25:24] Yeah.

[00:25:24] So this story, this, the snowshoe story goes back.

[00:25:28] Cause this was the one that didn't break.

[00:25:30] No last week.

[00:25:31] Correct.

[00:25:31] Cause this is the backstory on this.

[00:25:33] Yep.

[00:25:33] A couple of weeks ago I had this similar situation where basically the, on the lost

[00:25:37] path, the lost path.

[00:25:38] This place is evil.

[00:25:39] Um, it's cursed.

[00:25:41] Greeley cursed it.

[00:25:42] He did.

[00:25:43] I know he killed goats or virgins or something like it's, it's something's wrong with this

[00:25:47] place, but yeah, virgin goats.

[00:25:50] It basically the front clip broke off.

[00:25:53] So the basket that held my feet, it was okay.

[00:25:55] And I was able to manage without it.

[00:25:56] Cause we were on, you know, the ground that we were in worked out.

[00:26:00] Okay.

[00:26:00] And I was able to use a metal zip tie on that, that held up no problem for me.

[00:26:03] For this trip.

[00:26:04] The left one just exploded.

[00:26:06] Yeah.

[00:26:07] Um, and we pieced it together.

[00:26:09] Yeah.

[00:26:09] But when I, when I came up on you, cause I was in the rear at the time when I came up

[00:26:13] on you two and I looked at your shoe, I'm like, that was like one notch on my risk tolerance

[00:26:21] level that went not, just dropped down.

[00:26:24] That was a bit scary.

[00:26:25] It was.

[00:26:25] Yeah.

[00:26:26] It's like, it's like when you leave a restroom, you have those smiley faces, you know, what

[00:26:29] did you think today?

[00:26:30] It's like you're smiling into that little straight mouth face.

[00:26:33] Like, I'm not having so much fun now.

[00:26:36] Yeah.

[00:26:36] But you were pretty confident that you could fix it and continue on.

[00:26:41] And what's funny about that is, um, you seem like you were amped up after that for like

[00:26:47] 20 minutes too.

[00:26:48] And we, we hit a dead end, which would have been the, the end of snow's mountain ridge

[00:26:54] that we were trying to get through.

[00:26:56] Um, but we hit a cliff.

[00:26:58] Like it had to be a hundred feet high.

[00:26:59] At least it dropped into nothing.

[00:27:01] So we hit a dead end.

[00:27:02] We had a backtrack and then we made that even harder call.

[00:27:06] Like, do we go down this gully?

[00:27:09] Which did work out pretty well.

[00:27:11] Um, but with malfunction gear, it's like, Oh, we should bail or what?

[00:27:17] What are we going to do here?

[00:27:19] Yeah.

[00:27:19] And that's another thing to add is that you rely on technology.

[00:27:22] You rely on maps.

[00:27:23] If you do not have like a, a hyper topographical map in this, this area, it's confusing.

[00:27:29] We all looked at every element.

[00:27:31] We had every map, every GPS, everything we had, we were in a flat.

[00:27:36] Yeah.

[00:27:36] Completely.

[00:27:36] If I had a paper map, I wouldn't be able to figure out where I was because it didn't

[00:27:40] look right.

[00:27:40] It didn't look right.

[00:27:41] We were in like this levels out and then we're on a hundred foot cliff going.

[00:27:45] That's not level.

[00:27:46] That's not on the map.

[00:27:47] And we're scrambling to be like, where the hell are we?

[00:27:49] And how, how is there a drop that big when we're all seeing the same thing that we're

[00:27:54] like so close to the lost pass and it's flat, but it's not.

[00:27:58] Well, yeah, I, I felt like we overshot it too, because it was behind us and to the south

[00:28:04] or whatever.

[00:28:04] I'm like, wait a minute, you know, cause I had envisioned after that last pud and thank

[00:28:10] you, Nick, for the Puds podcast.

[00:28:11] We, we exemplified Puds today.

[00:28:14] There were so many of them.

[00:28:15] It was unbelievable.

[00:28:16] Your ears must've been burning.

[00:28:18] Unbelievable.

[00:28:18] Like Puds up the pud.

[00:28:22] Pud central.

[00:28:24] Exactly.

[00:28:26] Oh my God.

[00:28:27] So yeah, I thought that after that last little knoll pud, we would drop right down and bang.

[00:28:34] There it is.

[00:28:35] But it just didn't work.

[00:28:36] It seemed like we went too far or whatever.

[00:28:39] Cause it was, it was like all of a sudden, oh, it's 90 degrees to our right.

[00:28:42] Yep.

[00:28:43] Which was a little strange to me.

[00:28:44] And it said we were 10th of a mile past that last knob that we would, you know, you

[00:28:50] were past it.

[00:28:50] You were now in the area where it will be flat.

[00:28:53] You are safe.

[00:28:54] And it was like, no, you're not.

[00:28:56] Yeah.

[00:28:57] Yeah.

[00:28:57] Right.

[00:28:58] That's where we had to go way over to the left and try to skirt around and try to get

[00:29:03] to that.

[00:29:04] But, uh, that didn't work out.

[00:29:07] Well, yeah.

[00:29:07] I mean, so it kind of did.

[00:29:09] It kind of did.

[00:29:09] We did get around the spot that we wanted to get around.

[00:29:12] Well, it's funny.

[00:29:12] So we, yeah, we had to descend like 300 feet into this marshy bog.

[00:29:17] It was, it was covered, but it was, it was like a bouldery drainage.

[00:29:21] Yeah.

[00:29:21] And then we hit a wall where we had to ascend like point three or was it point point three

[00:29:28] to get.

[00:29:30] It was point three.

[00:29:31] I think from where we were standing to the magical dot.

[00:29:34] Yeah.

[00:29:34] Yeah.

[00:29:35] G spot, meaning GPS, I guess.

[00:29:37] It's funny in regular, in regular times, point three is nothing.

[00:29:42] But point three.

[00:29:43] Oh, right.

[00:29:43] It's like six telephone poles.

[00:29:45] You're done.

[00:29:45] It was just incredible.

[00:29:46] It was far.

[00:29:47] It was a lot.

[00:29:48] So we, we navigated past GPS that was questionable.

[00:29:51] We mitigated a damaged snowshoe.

[00:29:54] And then we were like, we're good.

[00:29:56] We're good.

[00:29:57] We're, we're starting to get a little bit of moisture involved here with the warmth.

[00:30:02] All of a sudden I'm like, oh my God.

[00:30:05] Oh, I forgot about this.

[00:30:06] Yep.

[00:30:07] The whole time I was using, I have a GoPro and it has, it was a, it was a

[00:30:12] year.

[00:30:12] I was, I was filming us the whole time.

[00:30:15] And that at that time the GoPro wasn't there.

[00:30:18] And so I was like, but I had just used it.

[00:30:21] So I knew that it wasn't, it wasn't far.

[00:30:24] And so, uh, at that point we were like, well, let's get there because we're going to be coming

[00:30:29] back down the same trail.

[00:30:30] So, uh, we'll, we'll look for it later.

[00:30:33] So after he accused us of stealing it.

[00:30:38] And we get a broken snowshoe.

[00:30:40] We just lost a GPS.

[00:30:42] The weather's becoming not sleep, but it was that heavy, thick fog that was starting to

[00:30:48] roll in.

[00:30:48] So, I mean, I was so, my pants were great, but my upper body was soaked, but I was warm.

[00:30:54] Um, I did have stuff in my pack to swap out if I had to stop and stay stationary for a

[00:30:59] while.

[00:31:00] Well, I was wearing my Gore-Tex and it was soaked.

[00:31:02] My Gore-Tex.

[00:31:03] I was dry.

[00:31:04] Wet inside because of sweating?

[00:31:06] No, I was dry inside.

[00:31:07] Um, and I wore that the whole time.

[00:31:10] And, uh, I had my special hiking shirt on.

[00:31:12] Isn't that what Gore-Tex is for, right?

[00:31:14] Oh, breathable.

[00:31:15] Yeah.

[00:31:16] Yeah.

[00:31:16] Yeah.

[00:31:16] Yeah.

[00:31:17] I guess so.

[00:31:17] And that's an interesting dynamic too, because the differences in the three of us, I would

[00:31:22] be crucified for what I'm about to say, but I wear a cotton long outer shirt on top of

[00:31:28] my basically wicking shirt.

[00:31:31] All right.

[00:31:31] So what are you thinking?

[00:31:34] That's what I do.

[00:31:35] That's still what I would do.

[00:31:36] Because you like the shirt or?

[00:31:38] I love the shirt.

[00:31:39] The shirt is shredded.

[00:31:40] It is.

[00:31:41] That thing has seen so many miles.

[00:31:43] It is time to retire.

[00:31:45] But at this, it's, I know my body temperature and I know that when, when the, the wicking

[00:31:51] shirt removes the moisture, the cotton actually keeps me cool.

[00:31:54] Cause I run extremely hot.

[00:31:56] Okay.

[00:31:56] So if I go with any kind of thermal or any kind of fleece or anything that keeps it in,

[00:32:01] I overheat.

[00:32:02] Yeah.

[00:32:02] And I get more, I get, I overheat.

[00:32:05] And then the moisture from that, I get hypothermic faster.

[00:32:09] And if you got cold, you just take it off, right?

[00:32:11] That's what it is.

[00:32:12] As soon as the shoulders get soaked off, it goes.

[00:32:14] Yeah.

[00:32:14] And then I can change, change layers and I can mix and match from there.

[00:32:18] And a lot of people would look at me and be like, this guy's an idiot.

[00:32:20] That makes sense.

[00:32:21] They would be right.

[00:32:22] Oh.

[00:32:22] But they would also be slightly wrong because it's experience.

[00:32:25] It's, you can't, everybody has their own experience and you know your own limits

[00:32:30] and you know where your comfort is.

[00:32:31] So we, we dress extremely different when we go out.

[00:32:34] So it keeps you cool.

[00:32:36] It keeps you.

[00:32:36] That's what you mean?

[00:32:37] It keeps me.

[00:32:38] Oddly enough, when it gets over 30, it keeps me cool.

[00:32:40] Oh.

[00:32:41] So why don't you just not wear that shirt and wear a wicking underneath?

[00:32:46] It, because the moisture goes, it's almost like it's too warm.

[00:32:50] Yeah.

[00:32:50] Or the breeze will go through and I'm too cold.

[00:32:53] So it's just like, it's kind of like not a wet blanket.

[00:32:57] It's a horrible, it's, it keeps me comfortable.

[00:32:59] It's, I know that's my temperature.

[00:33:01] Yeah.

[00:33:02] It keeps my core right.

[00:33:03] If the wind picks up or I start to get the chill, it's gone.

[00:33:06] Yeah.

[00:33:07] And then I throw on different layers cause I basically bring, I can gear down and re, you

[00:33:12] know, redress and stay the night if I need to.

[00:33:15] I, um, yeah, yeah.

[00:33:17] I mean, I was absolutely soaked, but again, I had backup.

[00:33:20] I could swap out and, you know, generally it's that turnaround point where I'll generally

[00:33:25] swap things out and just like, okay, I'm ready to go.

[00:33:28] Let's get out of here.

[00:33:29] Um, warm up and whatever else.

[00:33:31] My boots were good.

[00:33:32] No problem with my boots.

[00:33:34] These a solo leather waterproof boots have been really good.

[00:33:37] Oh yeah.

[00:33:38] Yeah.

[00:33:39] Um, your boots were good.

[00:33:41] My boots were good.

[00:33:42] Towards the end, uh, they are waterproof boots, but towards the end it was slowly sinking

[00:33:48] in to be not so waterproof, but that was just towards the very end and I wasn't soaked.

[00:33:53] Yeah.

[00:33:54] I can't tell the difference between perspiration though sometimes and whether stuff's getting

[00:33:58] in.

[00:33:59] And you guys, you had, uh, gators on, right?

[00:34:02] Yeah, I did.

[00:34:03] You both did, right?

[00:34:03] Yeah.

[00:34:03] Yeah.

[00:34:04] Yeah.

[00:34:04] I don't do that.

[00:34:05] But I lucked out this time.

[00:34:06] Last time on this, the, you know, the first attempt at the pass, I was, you know, getting

[00:34:09] snow in my boots constantly, but this time was not a problem.

[00:34:12] Um, one, one, one time I went, uh, on a, uh, expedition with, uh, I was, I was doing the PEMI

[00:34:17] one time and with this, uh, with this guy I just met and, uh, and I was doing, I was doing,

[00:34:26] I was doing, uh, I mean, his name was, uh, stomp.

[00:34:30] I think it was.

[00:34:31] And, and so we were going along and we were just, um, just post-holing like all day long

[00:34:37] and I didn't have gators that time and it was fairly uncomfortable.

[00:34:42] So, dude.

[00:34:44] So that was crazy.

[00:34:45] So then I, uh, definitely, uh, learned, I learned that gators were an important thing.

[00:34:50] Yeah.

[00:34:51] One of your, uh, social media icons is you up to your shoulders.

[00:34:56] Yeah.

[00:34:57] Yeah.

[00:34:58] One legs disappeared in that picture.

[00:35:01] Yeah.

[00:35:01] Yeah.

[00:35:01] Yeah.

[00:35:01] Yeah.

[00:35:02] That's a good one.

[00:35:06] And, uh, but that was a, uh, that was funny cause that's right when you, you and I first

[00:35:11] first met.

[00:35:12] Yeah.

[00:35:12] And there was a rescue going on to that dude.

[00:35:14] Yeah.

[00:35:14] That was in the Pemi on the owl between Lincoln slide and owls head.

[00:35:19] And we were hearing the planes, civil air patrol black Hawk.

[00:35:24] People were passing us saying, Hey, there's a rescue going on or we're doing Pemi, Pemi clock,

[00:35:29] uh, counterclockwise.

[00:35:30] So we, we saw the, the Franconia Ridge that they were all searching.

[00:35:34] And, and so it was very interesting.

[00:35:37] You know, if everything from helicopters to airplanes, they were really specific.

[00:35:41] I was spending a lot of time looking for this guy.

[00:35:43] Hmm.

[00:35:43] And, uh, I don't know the full backstory in that, but I want to say that it was like

[00:35:47] a glint, a shiny glint at the last moment that somebody saw and, uh, you know, the pilots

[00:35:54] were able to find them.

[00:35:55] I could be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure that I think he did have a cell phone,

[00:36:00] but then he fell into water, didn't he?

[00:36:03] And then the, so the cell phone only worked for a little bit.

[00:36:06] Uh, and, uh, then it didn't work anymore, but they think, so they did have some idea

[00:36:10] of where he was.

[00:36:12] Hmm.

[00:36:12] Um, but you know, luckily they, they found him at the end of the day.

[00:36:17] Right.

[00:36:18] And then, and they, and they said that another couple hours he wouldn't have made it.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:23] Yeah.

[00:36:24] Crazy.

[00:36:25] Back to like what, what's in your pack.

[00:36:27] So back to your, your snowshoe just for a moment.

[00:36:29] So if you were solo out there with a broken snowshoe, what would be the first thing that

[00:36:35] would pass your mind?

[00:36:36] Uh, like shit, like immediately, like, are you kidding me?

[00:36:42] And then, and then it would be like, okay, different mindset of like, I got to repair this

[00:36:46] and go back now.

[00:36:47] Oh yeah.

[00:36:48] You know, the day's over.

[00:36:50] And if you bare booted, you, you would have made it.

[00:36:52] You could, you could bare boot it.

[00:36:53] Cause the guy that was the tracks that we were following, but the tracks that we were following,

[00:36:57] the guy was bare booting, but he didn't go where we were, where we were.

[00:37:01] If you remember when my shoe went off, I was knee deep.

[00:37:03] Oh.

[00:37:04] And then on the, well, we'll get into that too.

[00:37:06] But yeah.

[00:37:07] Um, the bare boot worked.

[00:37:09] Yeah.

[00:37:09] But there was no grip.

[00:37:10] And then the snow was a textural ball up.

[00:37:13] So any traction would just become a ski.

[00:37:16] And then the bare boots in between not spruce traps.

[00:37:20] They're more like small rocks, smaller blow downs.

[00:37:23] It, you sank quick.

[00:37:24] Yeah.

[00:37:25] You know?

[00:37:25] Yeah.

[00:37:27] It, not impossible.

[00:37:28] Early winter conditions.

[00:37:30] Survival.

[00:37:31] Survival.

[00:37:31] I could do it.

[00:37:32] Yes.

[00:37:32] Yeah.

[00:37:33] You could, you could have done it, but it would be very, very slow.

[00:37:37] Yeah.

[00:37:38] Yeah.

[00:37:38] Exhausting.

[00:37:39] Oh man.

[00:37:40] And I felt that we went slow today.

[00:37:41] I mean, doing, doing just.

[00:37:44] Yeah.

[00:37:44] What?

[00:37:45] Seven miles in, you know, eight hours, eight and a half hours.

[00:37:49] Yeah.

[00:37:49] But that's.

[00:37:50] Which is reasonable for a bushwhack.

[00:37:52] That's a lot.

[00:37:53] Broken trail in winter.

[00:37:54] Yeah.

[00:37:54] Yeah.

[00:37:54] Yeah.

[00:37:54] I think that's respectable.

[00:37:55] Not that.

[00:37:56] No, I agree.

[00:37:57] I'm setting records, but the idea is I usually ballpark half mile an hour.

[00:38:01] Yep.

[00:38:01] To be safe.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:03] So you fixed your boot with those metal.

[00:38:06] We made it down about 300 foot gully down into this bog land, which ended up hitting another

[00:38:14] wall.

[00:38:15] Um, and the GPS is we're saying basically it's three tenths of a mile away up over this rise.

[00:38:23] And I'm, I'm thinking I, I was honestly thinking like I'm done.

[00:38:27] I'm sort of done.

[00:38:28] Uh, but you two are pretty gung ho to, to push it.

[00:38:31] Like we're pretty much on top of it.

[00:38:32] Let's go.

[00:38:33] Um, so you, we ended up going, I was like, okay, I'm, I'm warm.

[00:38:38] Oh, that's another thing.

[00:38:39] Cause I did, I did have one slip where I, my, I tweaked my hamstring.

[00:38:43] Remember that?

[00:38:44] Yep.

[00:38:44] All right.

[00:38:45] So I was worried about that.

[00:38:46] Like I will, I was not getting those electrolyte cramps, but I was getting little slight residuals

[00:38:53] from that one tweak that happened earlier, uh, on the bushwhack.

[00:38:57] So that was another factor that was going through my head, but we ended up, um, following

[00:39:03] you, Nobby up to a rise.

[00:39:05] And this is where all the, the spruce fir was starting to kick in big time.

[00:39:09] Yeah.

[00:39:09] Cause we, we, we'd get down so far and then look ahead and be like, well, we can't go

[00:39:14] straight.

[00:39:15] So then we'd have to bear to the left a little bit more because when you hit those, those

[00:39:20] really thick spots, there's no way you can go through.

[00:39:25] I mean, it's, it's in, in, in, in, in.

[00:39:27] Yeah.

[00:39:28] It wasn't as thick as I've seen, but my bigger concern was that it was all wet.

[00:39:32] It was soaked.

[00:39:33] Yeah.

[00:39:33] There was snow on it and the, and the, the trees themselves were wet.

[00:39:37] Yeah.

[00:39:37] It was.

[00:39:38] Yeah.

[00:39:39] Because of the condensation, which was getting worse.

[00:39:41] It was a car wash.

[00:39:41] It was a car wash.

[00:39:42] When you went through, you just, you owned it.

[00:39:44] It was soupy.

[00:39:45] So I was getting really anxious about it.

[00:39:47] I'm like, Oh man, I'm soaked already.

[00:39:49] This is going to suck.

[00:39:49] If I have to put my one only outer layer shell Gore-Tex on now, it's a bit earlier than

[00:39:55] I'd want to.

[00:39:56] I'm like, I'm just thinking things like that.

[00:39:59] Um, that's when we learned that's where he got his name was stomp.

[00:40:02] Cause he started pounding and pouting and slamming his feet and stomping around going,

[00:40:05] I don't want to go any further.

[00:40:07] I want to go home now.

[00:40:09] Yeah.

[00:40:09] But I, I caved to the pressure and followed you too.

[00:40:13] I was Switzerland.

[00:40:14] Mark, Mark was all over.

[00:40:15] He was gone.

[00:40:16] Yeah, he was.

[00:40:17] He was like into the scrub and I'm thinking like, all right, he must be gaining.

[00:40:21] Cause I haven't seen him in a couple, you know, it's been a few.

[00:40:24] How are you, how are you feeling then?

[00:40:25] Because all day long you're, you're sort of quiet.

[00:40:27] You admit that.

[00:40:29] Well, this, the, the, the, the, uh, the GoPro was still gone.

[00:40:33] So I was, Oh yeah.

[00:40:34] He was angry.

[00:40:35] He was angry.

[00:40:35] But, but I was like, I was like, listen, I was, well, no, I was just like, if we've been,

[00:40:39] all this time out to this point.

[00:40:42] And you know, we, we need to at least make a, a, a top notch effort and do getting, trying,

[00:40:49] trying to get there.

[00:40:49] But, and we did.

[00:40:50] It's fair.

[00:40:51] And we did.

[00:40:51] Of course.

[00:40:52] And we got to a point where we said, all right, realistically, is this a safe move?

[00:40:57] Is this safe?

[00:40:58] Yeah.

[00:40:59] And, and I was soaked.

[00:41:02] I was, I was, I think, thankfully I was wearing Gore-Tex, but I was completely soaked.

[00:41:07] Looking at the maps, we were in the quote unquote pass.

[00:41:11] Yes.

[00:41:12] We just wanted that damn little green little dot.

[00:41:14] Right.

[00:41:14] The stupid.

[00:41:15] No, that is.

[00:41:16] Magic spot.

[00:41:17] Yeah.

[00:41:17] Oh, it's probably like an anomaly.

[00:41:19] No, the thing is that pass is the beginning of a river.

[00:41:23] So that pass is probably so incredibly thick.

[00:41:26] The entire pass I'm sure is thick with, with, with growth.

[00:41:29] Yeah.

[00:41:30] So there, there was no, there was no spot where it was going to be, oh, this is nice

[00:41:34] and open now.

[00:41:35] You know, why, why would you see that?

[00:41:36] Because it probably was at one time, but I agree.

[00:41:41] It was, I, you know, the vantage point to how far up do you need to be to see both

[00:41:48] sides of the pass?

[00:41:49] Yes.

[00:41:49] That's what I couldn't figure out.

[00:41:50] And based on the ledge, we went down regardless of how close we were within a 10th, 10th

[00:41:56] or even less.

[00:41:57] Oh yeah.

[00:41:57] We were like on top.

[00:41:58] And it was like, but even that, that 10th of a mile, like, is there another ledge?

[00:42:02] Is there another, a pud?

[00:42:04] Is there, you know, a bear at the way the day was going?

[00:42:09] Who knows?

[00:42:09] It could have, it could have been a drone.

[00:42:11] Could have been anything.

[00:42:14] No, I think, well, we have seen some pictures of views looking over an open expanse north

[00:42:21] towards the sleepers and the Tri-Pyramid Slide, South Tri-Pyramid Slide.

[00:42:25] And that's sort of what's been driving me to get to this damn location.

[00:42:30] But as to the goal of getting to the pass, I think I'm pretty satisfied with that.

[00:42:36] And I have really good understanding what it is.

[00:42:41] One interesting option would be to come up from the other end of the pass from flat

[00:42:47] mountain shelter, flat pond, flat pond shelter.

[00:42:50] Yep.

[00:42:50] And then on the sandwich side, follow the straight up the straight up.

[00:42:54] Yeah.

[00:42:54] Yeah.

[00:42:56] That seems like the easiest route to get to the view of the sleepers.

[00:42:59] Let's not use the word easy.

[00:43:01] I'm sure that, yeah.

[00:43:02] Seasonally, if it's frozen, it probably would be a straight shot.

[00:43:04] Yeah.

[00:43:05] With the right amount of snow.

[00:43:06] Yeah.

[00:43:07] Yeah.

[00:43:07] Right.

[00:43:08] Yeah.

[00:43:08] Definitely.

[00:43:09] During the warm times, that's a no go.

[00:43:12] You get rain this week.

[00:43:14] You know, that opens up again and then it refreezes.

[00:43:17] What kind of ice bridges do you have?

[00:43:19] What's underneath you?

[00:43:21] It changes fast.

[00:43:22] I mean, we're basically at a halfway point.

[00:43:25] Meaning if we made it to the last pass, which we were close enough to touch it.

[00:43:28] So it counts.

[00:43:29] Yeah.

[00:43:30] And it was the pass.

[00:43:31] It was wide enough.

[00:43:32] We just didn't find the magic spot.

[00:43:33] You could tell that the pass cut through.

[00:43:35] Yeah.

[00:43:35] You got to send me a screenshot.

[00:43:37] Navi.

[00:43:37] I got it.

[00:43:39] Your screenshot.

[00:43:40] Your, your, what was that?

[00:43:41] Strava?

[00:43:42] Was that your Strava map?

[00:43:43] No, that, that was, uh, that was my.

[00:43:46] It looked like.

[00:43:47] Photoshop?

[00:43:48] We were.

[00:43:48] That was, that was Gaia.

[00:43:50] I think.

[00:43:51] We were in the damn pass.

[00:43:53] Yeah.

[00:43:53] Um.

[00:43:54] I don't care what anybody says.

[00:43:55] We were in.

[00:43:56] You heard him.

[00:43:57] That's right.

[00:43:58] We did it.

[00:43:59] We're never going back ever.

[00:44:01] Yeah.

[00:44:02] We couldn't find the gold, but we, we got there.

[00:44:05] You'll be able to follow our tracks probably for the next few weeks anyway, even if it piles

[00:44:09] up on top of it.

[00:44:10] Yeah.

[00:44:11] And you'll, you'll have questions.

[00:44:12] We'll answer those shortly as to what these tracks don't make sense.

[00:44:17] All right.

[00:44:17] They do.

[00:44:18] Turnaround point.

[00:44:19] We're all soaked.

[00:44:20] We're, we're now, we knew we have a new mission.

[00:44:23] Now we're finding Nobby's GoPro.

[00:44:26] We're down a grope, GoPro.

[00:44:27] We're down a grope.

[00:44:28] A grope.

[00:44:29] There was no groping.

[00:44:31] So it was a gropeless trip, which made it even worse.

[00:44:34] Could you use the grope?

[00:44:34] Yeah, I would have, that would have been much better, but we're down a GoPro.

[00:44:39] We have angry Nobby.

[00:44:40] Um, we had a broken snowshoe.

[00:44:43] We're soaking wet.

[00:44:44] It stomps cranky.

[00:44:45] I, I, I had a GoPro the very first time I had a GoPro.

[00:44:49] I, I did the Pemi and I did the old Pemi and I was so, I was so, I was

[00:44:53] so excited that I did the Pemi and I came down and I, uh, was loading my car up and

[00:45:00] I'm just thinking, all I'm thinking is McDonald's.

[00:45:03] That's all I'm thinking.

[00:45:04] And, uh, so I, I, I, I'm loading the car up and I put the GoPro on top of the car and

[00:45:10] I, and I, and I throw everything, the bag in and then I take off down the road and I'm

[00:45:16] thinking the GoPro's still on the roof, I think.

[00:45:20] So, so that was, and then the other time you showed up without the, uh, the little flash

[00:45:25] drive thing or whatever.

[00:45:26] Oh yeah.

[00:45:28] Recorded nothing.

[00:45:30] Yeah.

[00:45:30] I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:45:31] That never happened.

[00:45:33] But, uh, so I, I didn't want to, uh, lose another GoPro.

[00:45:36] So that, that's what was going through my mind.

[00:45:38] But you know, I, I, I swear I, I was thinking the chances of finding the GoPro, I think where

[00:45:45] I, I, I was pretty sure we were never going to find it because when you drop it in the snow,

[00:45:51] it just, it's gone.

[00:45:52] It's the, it's the snow is like, you know, two feet deep.

[00:45:55] You drop it in the snow.

[00:45:56] How are you going to find that?

[00:45:58] And, uh, we were going along shallow.

[00:46:01] I was thinking it would have been pretty superficial, but we're going along in, and I see this little,

[00:46:06] little black line.

[00:46:07] And it, I think it was the, the cord that was on, on the handle.

[00:46:11] Cause I have this, uh, this battery handle on the GoPro.

[00:46:15] And so we see the cord and, and, uh, and, uh, stomps like, uh, there it is.

[00:46:21] And I'm like, no, that's not it.

[00:46:23] And it was sure enough.

[00:46:24] Thank God.

[00:46:25] So that's when our day got better.

[00:46:28] There we go.

[00:46:28] Well, and then it didn't.

[00:46:30] Yeah.

[00:46:32] So you did a nice downhill, a nice recap on the GoPro.

[00:46:36] Yeah.

[00:46:36] For the next video that we can't wait to see.

[00:46:39] It'll be fun.

[00:46:40] Overall, it's been beautiful woods though, so far up to the end point and the turnaround point.

[00:46:45] Well, I'm, I'm just glad that, that no one got hurt, you know, cause it, it really was,

[00:46:49] it wasn't the safest hike because, um, you know, when you're, when you're bushwalking in snow like that, you have to be real careful.

[00:46:56] And I think that, that's why it's important to go with other people, especially when you do stuff like that.

[00:47:02] Yeah.

[00:47:02] Yeah.

[00:47:03] Well, so anyway, making our way out and, uh, it's getting a little dark.

[00:47:07] It's what?

[00:47:07] Probably three, three ish.

[00:47:10] Yeah.

[00:47:11] Somewhere around there.

[00:47:11] Give or take.

[00:47:12] Yep.

[00:47:12] Getting late for winter hike.

[00:47:13] On the GoPro.

[00:47:14] We're on a high.

[00:47:15] Yeah.

[00:47:16] We've got plenty of daylight.

[00:47:17] We're having a grand old time.

[00:47:18] Fog's moving in.

[00:47:20] Yeah.

[00:47:21] Yeah.

[00:47:21] Yeah.

[00:47:21] Drizzly rain.

[00:47:22] Yep.

[00:47:23] Starting to drizzle a little bit.

[00:47:24] Trees are dripping.

[00:47:25] Freezing on my pack.

[00:47:26] Beautiful rain.

[00:47:27] Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

[00:47:28] And then, uh, yeah, then we finish, right?

[00:47:31] That's it.

[00:47:32] There was much rejoicing.

[00:47:34] Wrong.

[00:47:35] Nope.

[00:47:36] Nope.

[00:47:36] Nope.

[00:47:36] Then the heel of the snowshoe blows out.

[00:47:38] And I'm like, okay, well I can manage with that.

[00:47:41] And we kept plugging along and then the entire snowshoe.

[00:47:44] What does that mean?

[00:47:46] The elevators, the lifts.

[00:47:47] I had both sides zip tied down.

[00:47:51] Yeah.

[00:47:51] And then I had the middle, which is like, I don't know how to explain it.

[00:47:55] Like the spine of the.

[00:47:56] You have two combined to go across the middle.

[00:47:58] Yep.

[00:47:59] I zipped two together cause it was thick and that was holding down the main base of it.

[00:48:03] And then one on each end of the.

[00:48:06] The lift to hold it to the back of the snowshoe.

[00:48:09] So it was a fixed to my foot without any movement.

[00:48:12] And one of the heels gave out.

[00:48:14] So it started getting a little sloppy and I was like, it's fine.

[00:48:16] Don't know how that could possibly break, but with the rocks and everything else, it happened.

[00:48:21] Yeah.

[00:48:22] And then disaster.

[00:48:24] The middle just blew out and the left side, the whole thing came apart.

[00:48:29] And it, it was like, we could zip it back together, but where we were in the elevation we needed to gain.

[00:48:35] And we had just started back.

[00:48:37] Yeah, we did pretty much.

[00:48:38] We had, I think we had gotten up.

[00:48:40] We had gotten up the gully above the ledge, the ledge that kind of stopped us the first time.

[00:48:45] So we were in better position.

[00:48:47] We were in the, we were going home, so to speak.

[00:48:50] We were on the better way home.

[00:48:52] It was going to be not super difficult in theory.

[00:48:56] Yeah.

[00:48:56] And the decision was made that we were putting the snowshoe down.

[00:49:00] That it was, it was no longer.

[00:49:02] It was.

[00:49:03] Dave cried.

[00:49:04] He wept.

[00:49:04] I did.

[00:49:05] It was, it was, you know, I thought it was just sleeping.

[00:49:08] I kept asking.

[00:49:09] He said, he's just sleeping, right?

[00:49:10] Stop.

[00:49:11] It's gotta be okay.

[00:49:11] Right.

[00:49:12] And he's like, um, yeah, he's fine.

[00:49:15] Like, well, why wouldn't you wake up?

[00:49:17] So we, we did the old yeller and we slapped it on the pack.

[00:49:23] And I just basically went with the right snowshoe and the left bare boot.

[00:49:26] That's amazing.

[00:49:28] Then how that started off.

[00:49:29] Like initially you were, it sucked.

[00:49:32] Oh yeah.

[00:49:32] I remember it was because.

[00:49:34] Host hole.

[00:49:35] Huge.

[00:49:36] Well, you, you crashed like four times in a row.

[00:49:38] I ate shit hard like Steve, but not, not sandwich.

[00:49:42] I just, I, Mike, Mike jinxed me by calling me Davey shit the other week.

[00:49:48] Cause I ate shit.

[00:49:49] I went face first.

[00:49:51] I don't know how many times.

[00:49:52] Yeah.

[00:49:52] And it's just like, you hear him laughing now.

[00:49:54] That's what you'd hear.

[00:49:55] And then are you okay?

[00:49:56] Oh good.

[00:49:57] That was funny.

[00:49:57] You know, it was one of those.

[00:49:59] It just, your brain, my brain, it don't even get into that.

[00:50:04] But my brain was like, okay, snowshoe on that side.

[00:50:07] Not on that one's like, I don't understand.

[00:50:10] How do I walk?

[00:50:11] How do I, which one has the shoe again?

[00:50:13] So I would slide, I would step, I would sink, I would trip in the first probably 20 steps.

[00:50:18] I think I fell at least two or three times.

[00:50:21] That's off to you.

[00:50:22] And I didn't really have a choice.

[00:50:24] I mean, we could have zip tied it again.

[00:50:25] We could have ducted.

[00:50:26] I could have really taken the time.

[00:50:28] Yeah.

[00:50:28] To be honest, but it goes back to that.

[00:50:31] Knowing your limits, knowing your experience, knowing what you think you can do.

[00:50:35] I didn't feel I had the 10 or 15 minutes or whatever it would be even less maybe to fix

[00:50:40] it again.

[00:50:41] I'm wet and I'm cold.

[00:50:42] Yeah.

[00:50:43] Well, here's another interesting point.

[00:50:45] Because we had the three of us, our track was fairly compressed.

[00:50:48] So that is another factor.

[00:50:50] If you get in trouble out there.

[00:50:51] Huge factor.

[00:50:51] Oh, that solo.

[00:50:53] You're going, you're limping out with one broken snowshoe and it's still three feet

[00:50:58] deep.

[00:50:59] You're, you're screwed.

[00:51:00] Yeah.

[00:51:00] That'd be tough.

[00:51:01] Oh yeah.

[00:51:01] The best day ever sticker is just wiped off.

[00:51:04] That's no hell because you just have your own track, which is not packed.

[00:51:08] Like you said.

[00:51:09] Yeah.

[00:51:10] Well, as we were going down, getting closer to the end, it looked like there was other

[00:51:14] people that had, had stomped down the, uh, the snow too.

[00:51:18] Later on.

[00:51:19] Yeah.

[00:51:20] Way out by the ledge.

[00:51:21] Yeah.

[00:51:21] It's still like halfway through the bushwhack.

[00:51:24] You and I, no, I'd be, we're going slow.

[00:51:27] I was purposely going slow so that we could really tamp it down further for you, Dave.

[00:51:31] Yep.

[00:51:32] Which is great.

[00:51:33] Yeah.

[00:51:33] It's huge.

[00:51:34] Yeah.

[00:51:34] Except when you're like, we're going this way.

[00:51:36] I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go the old way.

[00:51:38] That's packed down.

[00:51:39] You guys was created, but it was going uphill is tough.

[00:51:43] You never broke out the cramp on those.

[00:51:45] Right?

[00:51:45] I was, I was afraid too, because I felt like, again, with the brain not understanding how the

[00:51:50] difference in texture and grab and hold.

[00:51:54] And I got used to the left foot sliding.

[00:51:56] The only time it was a real challenge.

[00:51:58] And it's a lot more elevation than I realized, but you take a shoe where you realize how steep

[00:52:03] things get fast.

[00:52:04] Yeah.

[00:52:04] Yeah.

[00:52:04] And that's the weird thing.

[00:52:05] The right foot would hold and the left one would just ski.

[00:52:08] So I had to kind of angle myself and get used to it.

[00:52:10] And there was a couple of times where it was just like, well, here we go.

[00:52:13] Just run and grab a tree on the way by.

[00:52:16] And it worked out, but it's, it was a very quick learning curve to get through it.

[00:52:22] Yeah.

[00:52:23] And again, necessity.

[00:52:24] What was I going to do?

[00:52:25] I could have repaired it, but then I get really, really cold.

[00:52:28] Had I started to really, really struggle.

[00:52:30] That's what I would have done.

[00:52:31] Yeah.

[00:52:32] I would have geared, geared down, changed my clothes real quick, fix the snowshoe, suck

[00:52:36] it up, drink the warm liquid liquids and get back at it.

[00:52:39] You don't have a choice.

[00:52:40] Yeah.

[00:52:40] Yeah.

[00:52:41] And then, um, and then on top of that, Nobby turns around to me and goes, I'm gassed out.

[00:52:48] And he, he proceeds to go over to a log.

[00:52:51] I was making great time.

[00:52:52] And then.

[00:52:53] You went silent mode though.

[00:52:54] Yeah, I was funny, but yeah, he, he brushes off this blow down that's hovering about a foot

[00:52:59] off the ground and sits down on it.

[00:53:01] So we have this great picture of him just sitting down, gassed out.

[00:53:04] Just done.

[00:53:05] This is great.

[00:53:05] He was done.

[00:53:05] He kind of looked like, you know, that the opening, the opening scene of Forrest Gump

[00:53:10] when he's sitting on the bench and he's got the box of chocolates and he's waiting for

[00:53:14] the bus and he's just sitting there and I'm like, what's going on right now?

[00:53:19] But you know what, you know what always saves me.

[00:53:21] I don't know if it saves you too.

[00:53:23] If you've ever tried this, but I always, I always bring a cliff bar with me for, for,

[00:53:27] for emergency.

[00:53:28] I swear to God, if I like, if, if I'm on a big hike and I'm doing like 20 miles in a

[00:53:34] day and I'm doing like several mountains and stuff like that.

[00:53:37] And then I know that at the end of the day, I have one more mountain to do.

[00:53:42] I'll, it's a funny, it's a funny, it's the funniest thing.

[00:53:45] I, I just, I'm a cocaine guy.

[00:53:47] That wouldn't have done it too.

[00:53:48] I mean a run back.

[00:53:49] No, I'm kidding.

[00:53:50] I'm kidding.

[00:53:50] I'm kidding everybody.

[00:53:52] It's okay.

[00:53:52] If I have a cliff bar, it will get me over that mountain.

[00:53:56] So it will give me energy for at least a couple hours.

[00:54:00] Yeah.

[00:54:00] All I was eating was leftover, uh, baking goods from Mrs. Stump's postal clients.

[00:54:07] Like all day long.

[00:54:08] He kept pulling all these holiday bags of like all these cookies and brownies.

[00:54:13] And I'm like, you sure those aren't laced?

[00:54:14] It's so weird.

[00:54:15] Yeah.

[00:54:16] So heavy.

[00:54:17] It was good.

[00:54:18] I had Mrs. Schitt's homemade cookies, which is a tough sell.

[00:54:20] You're like, you guys want some Mrs. Schitt's cookies?

[00:54:22] I had one.

[00:54:23] I had two.

[00:54:23] What is a Mrs. Schitt's cookie?

[00:54:25] I'm not eating that.

[00:54:26] Yeah, it came in that like hermetically sealed bag.

[00:54:28] Yeah.

[00:54:29] That was interesting.

[00:54:30] Environmentally friendly.

[00:54:31] You just can't get to them because the frigging bag won't open.

[00:54:36] Yeah.

[00:54:37] When your hands are hypothermic and you can't, you can't bend your, uh,

[00:54:40] He was found dead with a bag of cookies.

[00:54:44] It's clutched in his hand.

[00:54:45] He could have made it if he just opened the cookies.

[00:54:49] Oh man.

[00:54:50] Good stuff.

[00:54:51] So you never dropped it though.

[00:54:53] I mean, you never dropped your, your right snowshoe.

[00:54:55] You just stuck, stuck it out, which is pretty cool.

[00:54:58] And we were hobbled the whole way out.

[00:54:59] We were going fast too.

[00:55:01] I was surprised.

[00:55:01] We were moving.

[00:55:02] Yeah.

[00:55:02] You know, I was behind you and you were setting a good pace and every once in a while we'd

[00:55:07] have to stop and check to make sure that he was still alive.

[00:55:11] Yeah.

[00:55:11] I was dehydrated.

[00:55:12] Yeah.

[00:55:13] Sure.

[00:55:13] But, uh, but you were moving.

[00:55:15] I was, I was, I was, I was, uh, I was very impressed.

[00:55:18] Hmm.

[00:55:18] Yeah.

[00:55:19] I don't know why I didn't drop the right one.

[00:55:20] I don't, I don't.

[00:55:21] My brain just said, keep it on.

[00:55:23] So I had balance and leverage.

[00:55:24] So I wouldn't post hole.

[00:55:26] So if my left one started sinking, the right would be able to pull me up.

[00:55:30] Yeah.

[00:55:30] That was the logic.

[00:55:31] And it was like that way there, I wouldn't, you know, which took its toll on the right

[00:55:35] knee, but I had my braces on again, learned history.

[00:55:38] You know, I know my limits and I know what braces to wear.

[00:55:41] Cause if I'm going in deep snow, I wear a bigger brace because I know post holes can

[00:55:46] screw up my patella.

[00:55:48] Yeah.

[00:55:48] Yeah.

[00:55:49] So definitely.

[00:55:51] And then when we got towards the end.

[00:55:53] Back to falls.

[00:55:54] Oh man.

[00:55:55] So you had a couple of good falls, Dave.

[00:55:58] You lost your snowshoe.

[00:56:00] Definitely.

[00:56:00] Good one in the beginning, no, you know, you, you had the fall, you had the fall,

[00:56:06] the fall of the all day, the fall of the day.

[00:56:09] But no, I was surprised because I was thinking, I was thinking the worst because when you

[00:56:13] fell, I rolled there and there was boulders there too, but they were all padded with snow.

[00:56:19] And cause you, cause it was not a good noise when you went down.

[00:56:22] Cause you flipped over like two times, I think as you're, as you're getting down towards those

[00:56:26] boulders.

[00:56:27] He was lighting up the trees.

[00:56:29] Yeah.

[00:56:29] I mean, it was like I said, he probably landed a plane cause they looked down like he rolled

[00:56:33] and I was like, Oh, he's dead.

[00:56:35] Yeah.

[00:56:36] He's screwed.

[00:56:37] I'm like, I'm just, I don't.

[00:56:39] That scared me.

[00:56:40] Yeah.

[00:56:40] Well, yeah, it must've because you, you jumped down on top of me.

[00:56:46] I was right.

[00:56:46] I was right there.

[00:56:47] Yeah.

[00:56:47] Yeah.

[00:56:48] And I lucked out, I guess cause it was bad, but it sounded horrid and it looked horrible

[00:56:53] cause the light just tumbled and rolled and it was just like, and then it stopped and

[00:56:56] it's that silence where it's like, let's see what happens next.

[00:56:59] Yeah.

[00:57:00] And then he's like started laughing and I'm like, that's a good sign or he's bleeding out.

[00:57:04] We're not, I don't know how these things were.

[00:57:05] I've never been here before, but I can't even tell you what happened.

[00:57:08] I don't even know.

[00:57:09] Yeah.

[00:57:09] I must've just stumbled or like stubbed my toe or whatever on something and just rolled.

[00:57:14] Well, you get that fatigue too.

[00:57:16] Yeah.

[00:57:16] Your feet get heavy, you're tired, you're done.

[00:57:19] You just, you're thinking about pizza.

[00:57:20] You want to just be warm.

[00:57:21] You want to be dry.

[00:57:23] You know, you're close.

[00:57:24] The general rule, like whenever I mountain bike, the general rule is if you're going to

[00:57:28] hurt yourself, it's going to be on an easy trail at the very end of the ride.

[00:57:33] Yeah.

[00:57:34] All the time.

[00:57:35] Yeah.

[00:57:35] Yeah.

[00:57:35] Where you're not paying attention and you're tired and that's exactly what happened.

[00:57:41] We were on an easy trail and it was at the very end there and that's what happened.

[00:57:45] Yeah.

[00:57:45] BB, Chris BB always mentioned that.

[00:57:47] It's like on the way out, make sure you take your time to rehydrate, nourish yourself

[00:57:53] because that's when all the accidents happen.

[00:57:54] Yep.

[00:57:55] Exactly.

[00:57:55] Um, but I want to see that was like, that must've been the ghost of Greeley.

[00:58:00] Just giving me one last trip because I don't even know what happened.

[00:58:02] I think, I think he slid the leg out.

[00:58:04] I do.

[00:58:04] I think he kicked the feet out and it was like, and stay out.

[00:58:07] That's two shots.

[00:58:08] Get the hell out of my woods.

[00:58:10] That's right.

[00:58:11] You don't get your, uh, your little lost past.

[00:58:14] No, the man's got ledges named after him.

[00:58:16] He's got ponds named after him.

[00:58:18] He's got trails.

[00:58:18] You do.

[00:58:19] You listen.

[00:58:20] Mr. G speaks.

[00:58:22] Yeah.

[00:58:22] I think you're right.

[00:58:24] Wow.

[00:58:24] What a cool place.

[00:58:25] What a weird place and very cool place.

[00:58:27] Yeah.

[00:58:27] It was a tough day.

[00:58:28] Yeah.

[00:58:29] But it takes, it takes the number one for most difficult, uh, areas.

[00:58:33] The captain used to be that way, but I think we all have a pretty good handle on that area

[00:58:38] now.

[00:58:39] The captain, it's a fairly easy approach in the set is long and it's challenging.

[00:58:43] Right.

[00:58:43] But it's, you know, it's summer.

[00:58:45] Yeah.

[00:58:45] You throw in the terrain in the winter with the topography.

[00:58:48] You just, you know, you can read it, but you got to read it with a magnifying glass

[00:58:52] by a foot.

[00:58:53] Yeah.

[00:58:54] Cause it changes so quick.

[00:58:56] You know, you're climbing up 30, 40, 50 feet to a ledge.

[00:58:59] That's a hundred feet down to go to a gully.

[00:59:01] That's 300 feet the other way.

[00:59:02] And you look and it's flat on the map and you're like, how?

[00:59:05] Yeah.

[00:59:05] And the captain, we weren't going that far either.

[00:59:07] Cause we camped out so close to it that, uh, that worked out better.

[00:59:11] Yeah.

[00:59:12] If we weren't camped out there, that would have been a long day.

[00:59:14] Oh, it's a very long day, but I would not have lost a story.

[00:59:18] It's a snowshoe.

[00:59:19] True.

[00:59:20] Yeah.

[00:59:20] So what are your, that's essentially the trip.

[00:59:23] I mean, that's a really nice deep dive on a trip.

[00:59:25] That was fun.

[00:59:26] Um, any other comments on that?

[00:59:28] I mean, at the very end there is like that, that ski training or ramp, which doesn't make

[00:59:35] any sense.

[00:59:36] Cause the ramp literally points up to the sky and then there's a 50 foot drop of nothing

[00:59:41] below it.

[00:59:42] They must put three inches of snow.

[00:59:44] Yeah.

[00:59:45] They must put something there to catch people or something.

[00:59:47] I don't know.

[00:59:47] Huge airbag, huge airbag or, uh, yeah, I don't know.

[00:59:53] Yeah.

[00:59:54] Or pads.

[00:59:55] No idea.

[00:59:55] That'd be a cool spot for, uh, nighttime skiing.

[00:59:58] I don't think Tecumseh does that.

[00:59:59] Do they?

[01:00:02] Meaning Waterville Valley.

[01:00:03] Not that I know of, but I'm, I'm not a skier.

[01:00:05] I don't know.

[01:00:06] Yeah.

[01:00:06] Maybe they do.

[01:00:07] Maybe they, I don't.

[01:00:08] It seems like, like I said, you walk up and ski down that area.

[01:00:11] It's, there was a lot of, a lot of snowboard tracks.

[01:00:13] It looks like.

[01:00:14] Oh, that's from people climbing.

[01:00:15] People went up and came down.

[01:00:17] Yeah.

[01:00:18] Definitely.

[01:00:19] Cool.

[01:00:20] My big takeaway on this one is, um, if you don't have zip ties, go get them.

[01:00:25] I, I, I, the plastic ones.

[01:00:26] I think I would recommend the metal and get extra.

[01:00:28] They sell it at home Depot.

[01:00:30] So I'm there.

[01:00:30] I don't know if they're in the plumbing aisle or whatever there, you can get different thicknesses

[01:00:34] in that.

[01:00:34] You can put two or three together and you can triple, double, triple, and even wrap it a bunch.

[01:00:39] Yeah.

[01:00:39] They do hold.

[01:00:40] The reason this didn't, as I think I went single, I wrapped, I did not wrap it.

[01:00:44] I just went with a single just to keep moving.

[01:00:47] And, um, that terrain was rugged.

[01:00:48] If you're on a trail, I don't think you're going to have that kind of an issue.

[01:00:51] Do you think duct tape would have helped?

[01:00:52] No.

[01:00:53] I think duct tape, if it was not, uh, wet, it would have, it would have held the middle

[01:00:57] a little better.

[01:00:58] If I had done the zip tie with duct tape over it, I think it would have reduced the friction

[01:01:02] and probably held it.

[01:01:04] Yeah.

[01:01:04] I think where I got in trouble was it, it scraped on the rocks in the twisting, when

[01:01:08] your foot would go under the, like when you fell, you can't help but sink left or

[01:01:13] right.

[01:01:14] And I think it twisted the zip time more than they could handle.

[01:01:17] Yeah.

[01:01:18] Um, so, but it's, it's one of those things you think, yeah, I should do that.

[01:01:23] I should do that.

[01:01:23] Do it.

[01:01:24] It's like a dollar 50 probably for a bag of zip ties.

[01:01:27] Yeah.

[01:01:27] Yeah.

[01:01:27] Yeah.

[01:01:27] Yeah.

[01:01:28] Yeah.

[01:01:28] Yeah.

[01:01:28] And then you're like, you know, I think it's a little bit more than when you're in that

[01:01:58] moment.

[01:01:58] You like, you said Home Depot has them.

[01:01:58] Lowe's probably has them, you know, true value.

[01:01:58] Yeah.

[01:02:00] Yeah.

[01:02:06] Yeah.

[01:02:12] Yeah.

[01:02:14] Yeah.

[01:02:24] Yeah.

[01:02:29] Yeah.

[01:02:37] Yeah.

[01:02:39] Yeah.

[01:02:41] I think I'm good for now.

[01:02:42] I'm busy that day.

[01:02:45] Any plans for a new year's and, uh, hikes for new year's, uh, 2025.

[01:02:50] I want to go for a hike with my daughter.

[01:02:53] Um, so I, I'm thinking, you know, cause she doesn't really have any winter experience.

[01:02:58] Um, so I think we might do something real small, like maybe a nod neck or something like

[01:03:04] that.

[01:03:04] Just, just for, for a starter for her.

[01:03:06] That's a pretty tough mountain.

[01:03:07] No, no, no.

[01:03:08] Yeah.

[01:03:08] It is.

[01:03:09] Um, but she's tough.

[01:03:11] Okay.

[01:03:11] No, I'm just saying for like a, you know, an easier banana can be pretty rugged depending

[01:03:15] on which way you go up.

[01:03:17] Yeah.

[01:03:17] I mean, we've, we've been on some pretty hard hikes.

[01:03:20] So she's, but we say the winters, I'm not saying she could, I just, when you had

[01:03:23] said it would do now, now I sound like a jerk.

[01:03:26] No, no, no.

[01:03:26] I remember one time I did it in December, the last day in December with, cause I always go on

[01:03:32] a, a hike with my, my cousin every year we make it.

[01:03:36] You know, we always have to do at least one time every year.

[01:03:39] And we did it on the last day, December, and the whole mountain was covered with ice.

[01:03:45] And, uh, we're there at the, at the bottom, you can rent spikes.

[01:03:50] Oh, no kidding.

[01:03:51] And he's like, Oh, should I rent spikes?

[01:03:52] I'm like, I think you definitely should because he didn't have any.

[01:03:55] It's coming up from the state park side.

[01:03:57] Yeah.

[01:03:58] And so he did it and he's like, thank God.

[01:04:01] That was the best thing I've ever did because that's steep.

[01:04:04] Like I could see the, it's a very bony and rocky at the top.

[01:04:07] At the top, it's, it's just all like all slick rock and, and, uh, we're just, and it

[01:04:13] was all covered with, with like a quarter inch vice.

[01:04:16] And, uh, um, but I think, uh, yeah, we, we made it out.

[01:04:22] It was good.

[01:04:23] Nice.

[01:04:24] Hmm.

[01:04:24] You and I did that.

[01:04:25] Uh, what, uh, what, what was that loop?

[01:04:27] We avoided, uh, the white.

[01:04:31] Yeah.

[01:04:32] No, no, we, we, we did a little bit different too.

[01:04:34] We did a counterclockwise and that was a pretty rugged day up there.

[01:04:38] Yeah.

[01:04:38] Blowing snow confusing at the top.

[01:04:41] Yeah.

[01:04:42] Cause we wanted to do a little bit more miles.

[01:04:43] So we, as we climbed it, um, I think we went out way farther.

[01:04:49] I forget what trail it was called, but we went out farther to the right.

[01:04:52] Yeah.

[01:04:52] And then ended up, um, coming on, uh, under the trail that went to the top and we just

[01:04:57] went to that.

[01:04:58] That was, that was a good day.

[01:05:00] Yeah.

[01:05:01] That was fun.

[01:05:02] It's a great mountain.

[01:05:02] Yeah.

[01:05:03] So intense.

[01:05:05] I had to get my daughter out there.

[01:05:06] She's living in Keene.

[01:05:07] She's right nearby.

[01:05:08] Oh, nice.

[01:05:09] Yeah.

[01:05:09] She's a hiker.

[01:05:09] She's a pack Sherpa.

[01:05:11] Essentially.

[01:05:12] She's a mule.

[01:05:13] And you know who you are.

[01:05:17] So awesome.

[01:05:19] Uh, any other comments about that trip?

[01:05:20] I think it's a wrap on that.

[01:05:22] Yeah.

[01:05:22] I mean, my next hike will be when I get my snowshoes delivered.

[01:05:27] My next hike will be easier.

[01:05:28] I gotta do some ordering.

[01:05:31] Yeah.

[01:05:31] Yeah.

[01:05:32] I'm not sure what we have planned next.

[01:05:34] Mrs. Stomp and I have been trying to get out, but we always come up with different, different

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[01:06:10] Day a week we have together.

[01:06:11] That's cool.

[01:06:12] Yeah.

[01:06:13] It's tricky.

[01:06:15] All right.

[01:06:16] Cool.

[01:06:16] I do have a couple things here.

[01:06:18] Might as well just chip away at some of these things.

[01:06:20] We had a couple donations over the last week or so.

[01:06:24] So we have Jack Daly who donated three coffees just saying keep up the good work and that's

[01:06:30] very cool.

[01:06:31] And then Matt Maturcules.

[01:06:36] That's sort of clever.

[01:06:37] Maturcules, like instead of Hercules, it's Matt, but it's Maturcules.

[01:06:43] He's huge.

[01:06:44] You're right.

[01:06:45] Yeah.

[01:06:45] So he donated five.

[01:06:46] Thank you, Matt.

[01:06:47] That's super cool.

[01:06:49] Um, recent hikes.

[01:06:50] We got that covered.

[01:06:51] So notable hikes.

[01:06:52] If you want to be considered for a notable hike for Slasher, just tag Slasher on your

[01:06:57] adventure on Instagram and we'll add you to the list.

[01:07:00] And, um, we have a couple here.

[01:07:01] We have, uh, oh my God, Dave Schitt's in the woods.

[01:07:04] I know that guy.

[01:07:06] Wow.

[01:07:06] He did, uh, he did a Holtz ledge, Bear Hill, Winslow ledge in lime.

[01:07:12] Tell me, tell me about that.

[01:07:14] What, where is this?

[01:07:14] And was this the 500 list?

[01:07:17] Yes.

[01:07:18] Yep.

[01:07:19] Holtz ledge is on the list, uh, the list.

[01:07:21] And then, um, Bear Hill, I think it's the other one on the other side that's on it.

[01:07:25] Uh huh.

[01:07:25] And then the last Winslow's across the street.

[01:07:28] So basically it's the AT it's Dartmouth ski area.

[01:07:31] Oh, okay.

[01:07:32] They have a ski area that's way out there on, I don't know the route.

[01:07:34] You've been down there in Aubie, haven't you?

[01:07:36] As part of your adventures.

[01:07:38] I'm sure I have.

[01:07:39] You probably have, Matt.

[01:07:42] I probably even dropped you off for one of them.

[01:07:46] I don't know.

[01:07:46] Maybe.

[01:07:47] Yeah.

[01:07:48] So yeah, it's the, it's the AT right off the Dartmouth ski way.

[01:07:51] They have a little parking area and then you just jump in the woods.

[01:07:53] You go straight up.

[01:07:54] Um, if I have this right, that's Holtz ledge, right?

[01:08:01] That's yep.

[01:08:01] So you, cause Winslow's ledge is on the other side.

[01:08:04] So you go up to Holtz ledge, you basically just go straight up, you go past the shelter

[01:08:07] on your right, you get there and it's, you go left and they have a fenced off area where

[01:08:11] the Paragon falcons breed.

[01:08:12] Mm-hmm.

[01:08:13] So they have it all fenced off.

[01:08:15] Beautiful view.

[01:08:16] Then you go to the right and you have unobstructed, no fence.

[01:08:19] You can step right out of the ledges.

[01:08:21] Yeah.

[01:08:21] Kind of view.

[01:08:21] It's beautiful.

[01:08:22] Um, great views.

[01:08:24] It, it really is.

[01:08:25] Smells like a burnt campfire.

[01:08:27] It just went out as that like strange smell, like really, really strong.

[01:08:32] Then you go up to the ridge and Holtz.

[01:08:33] Then from there, I just basically dropped straight down and went across to bear hill, like bush

[01:08:38] whack through the woods, newly, um, surveyed new markers out there.

[01:08:44] Bear Hill was some ledge, pretty uneventful, not no real views hit that came down and it

[01:08:50] was early.

[01:08:51] So I was like, well, I got time.

[01:08:53] I'll go across the street to Winslow.

[01:08:55] So I picked up the AT and picked up one of the ski trails that wasn't in use.

[01:09:00] It wasn't enough snow.

[01:09:01] There's enough snow, but not enough for skiing.

[01:09:03] And I followed that to a logging cut and then follow that and beautiful, beautiful woods

[01:09:08] up along right along the ledge all the way with a big rock outlook, which was awesome.

[01:09:14] And then it continued on just to the summit, but there was, it's just a canister, no real

[01:09:21] good views from that ledge and then came back down and headed out of town.

[01:09:26] Okay.

[01:09:27] So nice area.

[01:09:28] That's a good hike.

[01:09:29] That's a good half day hike or slow hike.

[01:09:32] If you want to just quick out to hold the ledge, beautiful.

[01:09:34] Really nice.

[01:09:35] Yeah.

[01:09:35] And you haven't been out no be since, um, your, oh, you got to tell us about this actually

[01:09:41] in person, your, your adventure with, uh, some friendly critters.

[01:09:46] Well, and it's, it's, it's funny too.

[01:09:49] Cause this is my, uh, my hike, my, my yearly hike with my cousin and, uh, my cousin, Matt.

[01:09:55] And so I, I asked him, I'm like, have you ever been to a Franconia Ridge?

[01:09:59] And he said, uh, he said, um, I don't think so.

[01:10:03] So I'm like, well, all right.

[01:10:04] So we started at, uh, the Lincolnwood center and we hiked up to Liberty Springs and we're

[01:10:10] going to spend the night there.

[01:10:11] And then the next day we're going to shoot down, uh, Franconia Ridge and then go down to,

[01:10:16] uh, um, the Lafayette parking lot.

[01:10:18] Uh, and, uh, so we're at Liberty Springs and we, um, he, he was like, I was like, where

[01:10:25] do you want to stay?

[01:10:26] Which, which, uh, platform he's like, oh yeah, let's do it.

[01:10:29] The very end one.

[01:10:30] So we stayed there and make a dinner and, and so we're getting ready to go to sleep and it's

[01:10:37] kind of cold.

[01:10:38] So, um, I just, you know, gotten my sleeping bag as soon as I could after, after dinner and

[01:10:45] he's in his, and he, he, I hear him get out and go to the bathroom.

[01:10:49] And, uh, then he goes, Mark.

[01:10:53] I'm like, I'm like, what?

[01:10:54] He's like, bear.

[01:10:57] And I'm like, uh, what do you want me to do?

[01:11:00] And he's like, I don't know.

[01:11:01] It's a good, good.

[01:11:02] So, so, so I, uh, I unzipped the, the, the tent and my tent is right next to his tent on

[01:11:09] the platform.

[01:11:10] And when I unzipped the tent and popped my head up, there's a bear exactly in front of

[01:11:17] his tent, sniffing his tent.

[01:11:18] Oh my God.

[01:11:19] And he's, um, like, uh, on the other side of the, of, of the, of the tent.

[01:11:26] And, uh, so it was, uh, it wasn't a, he was, it was a pretty, pretty big bear.

[01:11:33] Um, and so I immediately, I don't know.

[01:11:36] I'm, I'm strange.

[01:11:37] I know I, I immediately I'm, I'm annoyed.

[01:11:39] I'm like, I'm like, what the hell?

[01:11:41] I'm like, I'm like, seriously.

[01:11:43] And he's looking at me like, well, I don't know.

[01:11:46] And I'm like, get out of here.

[01:11:48] So, so he, he, he kind of slowly goes into the woods very slowly.

[01:11:53] And, uh, you heard his feelings.

[01:11:56] And then, and then, so, so, so yeah.

[01:11:59] So he, he basically, so then, uh, my, my cousin's like, well, I need to get water before

[01:12:04] I go to sleep.

[01:12:05] So I'm like, all right.

[01:12:06] So he, he, he takes off down the trail.

[01:12:09] It's a nighttime with this light.

[01:12:11] And I'm like, all right, I'm gonna get back in my sleeping bag.

[01:12:13] It's freezing.

[01:12:14] So I get back in my sleeping bag and then I hear this.

[01:12:18] And I'm like, what the hell?

[01:12:21] I'm Matt.

[01:12:23] And, uh, I don't, he, I don't hear anything.

[01:12:26] And then, so I ended up my sleeping bag.

[01:12:28] There's a bear jumped up onto the platform right in front of his tent again.

[01:12:32] No way.

[01:12:33] And twice in a row, huh?

[01:12:35] It happened like five times.

[01:12:37] You think it was a different or the same?

[01:12:39] I'm sure it was the same guy, but it happened.

[01:12:42] Did your cousin have any food in the tent or anything?

[01:12:44] Was there like, I don't think so.

[01:12:46] Did you put any food in your cousin's tent?

[01:12:49] We, we, we, we,

[01:12:50] Before you went to bed.

[01:12:51] We, that's the move.

[01:12:52] We put all our food in the, uh, we put all our food in the, they have a big bear box there.

[01:12:57] In the bear box.

[01:12:58] And in the morning, uh, I had to have somebody help me because the bear box was upside down.

[01:13:02] Oh, wow.

[01:13:03] Yeah.

[01:13:04] So they have an issue there.

[01:13:05] Well, and there was one bear box that had trash in it that the bears got into.

[01:13:10] So there was trash everywhere.

[01:13:12] Once they get a taste.

[01:13:13] There wasn't, there was, there was no one working there because it was, it was really,

[01:13:17] I think it was during the week and, um, it was, it was cold weather.

[01:13:22] How do you lock those bear boxes?

[01:13:24] Um, it's just a, it's like a little thing.

[01:13:27] You've, you flip on each side of the box.

[01:13:30] Okay.

[01:13:30] There's no way that they can get in.

[01:13:32] Cause I mean, it was upside down and there was no way he could get in.

[01:13:34] Wow.

[01:13:35] Um, how big is the box?

[01:13:37] So it's, uh, I don't know.

[01:13:39] Um, five by five feet by, um, three or three feet high.

[01:13:45] Probably.

[01:13:46] Yeah.

[01:13:47] They're, they're like those creatures, big, rigid toolbox.

[01:13:50] It's the big, like the big, that's literally like the, you know, you picture on the back of someone's truck.

[01:13:54] They're the big, they have the two class that come down.

[01:13:57] The construction boxes.

[01:13:58] And then you can put the locks through them.

[01:14:00] Yeah.

[01:14:00] They're heavy and they're big.

[01:14:02] Yeah.

[01:14:02] I couldn't do it by myself.

[01:14:04] For us, but not for the bears.

[01:14:05] Yeah.

[01:14:06] Right.

[01:14:06] They're so strong.

[01:14:07] It's incredible.

[01:14:07] Yeah.

[01:14:09] All right.

[01:14:10] So you survive.

[01:14:11] They didn't, uh, eat you.

[01:14:13] Yeah.

[01:14:14] The, the, well, the next day we, we survived the bear thing.

[01:14:17] And then we, we got up to, uh, the ridge line the next day and it was blowing hard.

[01:14:22] I mean, it was really windy.

[01:14:24] It was, it was probably, it was probably blowing at least 40 miles an hour up there and it, and it was cold.

[01:14:29] And we're going across the, the ridge line and, uh, we're basically going like rock to rock, you know, hiding behind the rock.

[01:14:37] Like we'd be like, okay, let's go to the next one.

[01:14:39] And then we'd go to the next rock because it was so windy and cold.

[01:14:45] And one of the, one of the rocks that we went behind, there was a guy, there was a guy there.

[01:14:49] And, uh, so, so random.

[01:14:53] So we're like, we're like, we're like, Hey, how you doing?

[01:14:55] He's like, and then, so, all right.

[01:14:56] Okay.

[01:14:56] See ya.

[01:14:57] And then we, we jetted to the next rock and he didn't come.

[01:15:00] And, and we're, and so we were like, so we're waiting there.

[01:15:03] It seemed like he was all right.

[01:15:04] I didn't know.

[01:15:05] So we were waiting there and, and then, so we find out.

[01:15:10] So we end up moving on.

[01:15:11] I'm sure he's fine.

[01:15:12] No.

[01:15:12] So, so we ended up going back.

[01:15:14] We ended up going back and, and, uh, and I look at him and he's looking, he looks scared.

[01:15:19] Oh boy.

[01:15:20] And I go, Hey, you're, you're, you're staying with us.

[01:15:23] Okay.

[01:15:23] And he said, Oh, sure.

[01:15:24] And then, so, so we, we brought them across the ridgeline and, uh, all the way to Lafayette.

[01:15:31] And then when we got in Lafayette, um, we, we had a little snack and a little break together.

[01:15:36] And then, and then.

[01:15:37] How was visibility?

[01:15:38] Was it, um.

[01:15:39] Low and snow or just heavy winds with the colds?

[01:15:42] Heavy winds with the cold.

[01:15:44] Yeah.

[01:15:44] Wind chill.

[01:15:45] Okay.

[01:15:45] And then, uh, we got to a point where, um, oh, we asked him and we're like, so, um, are you an experienced hiker?

[01:15:53] And he said, well, I've never, I've never had a hike more than, um, like half an hour.

[01:16:00] And, and this culture shock.

[01:16:02] That's why he's hiding behind a rock.

[01:16:04] Yeah.

[01:16:04] And this, this, he, he went up Liberty Springs trail.

[01:16:07] That's the way he went up Liberty Springs trail.

[01:16:09] And he was going to cut across the whole Franconia Ridge.

[01:16:12] And, um, and he said, he said.

[01:16:15] That sounds like a search and rescue.

[01:16:16] Right.

[01:16:16] He said that he started at like three o'clock in the morning and, and we saw him.

[01:16:21] He was just on the ridge.

[01:16:22] Yeah.

[01:16:23] So, um, so that's what scared us.

[01:16:26] And we're like, yeah, you definitely stay with us.

[01:16:28] And then, but, um, and he, he, he was keeping up with us pretty good.

[01:16:32] And then once we got down to Lafayette, probably close to the hut, um, we were like, yeah, he's good.

[01:16:38] And then, so we just, like you might've stemmed off a problem.

[01:16:42] Right.

[01:16:42] Um, yeah.

[01:16:43] Is that when you realized he was going the other way and he had already been across the

[01:16:46] ridge and you just brought the poor bastard all the way back to where he started?

[01:16:49] No, but that was, that was scary.

[01:16:51] And, uh, it's a lot like, oh man.

[01:16:53] And it's funny.

[01:16:54] I have a great picture of the three of us.

[01:16:57] It's really, it was funny.

[01:16:58] Yeah.

[01:16:58] Now good for you though.

[01:16:59] That's that's yeah.

[01:17:01] Intervention.

[01:17:01] Yeah.

[01:17:02] Cause you gotta be able to spot it.

[01:17:03] Oh no, no.

[01:17:04] The last time that I was up there with you, we saw it on Lafayette.

[01:17:08] We're coming across, um, came up skook.

[01:17:11] Yeah.

[01:17:12] Going north to Lafayette.

[01:17:13] No, that's not north, but up to Lafayette.

[01:17:16] And along comes that young woman with nothing.

[01:17:21] Let's just, uh, you know, shorts, a light little, not even a day pack.

[01:17:25] It was just like a little vanity pack or something.

[01:17:28] And it was cold.

[01:17:29] And she had taken the wrong turn to instead of going down Greenleaf to the hut.

[01:17:35] This was, this is late fall.

[01:17:37] So it was cold up there.

[01:17:38] It was like the first exposure to cold temps that we had had for the summer.

[01:17:42] And she was heading straight down into.

[01:17:44] Towards Garfield.

[01:17:45] She's cruising.

[01:17:46] Oh, she was cruising.

[01:17:47] She probably might've gone past skook for all we know.

[01:17:50] You just never know.

[01:17:51] She's going towards Garfield.

[01:17:53] And she had nothing on her.

[01:17:55] Yeah.

[01:17:55] But it was just the point being just recognizing when somebody's in over their head and intervening.

[01:18:00] Well, I mean, I probably wouldn't have said anything, but, but you were like, um, hey,

[01:18:06] where are you going?

[01:18:07] And, uh, and, and thank God you, you, uh, you, you said that because.

[01:18:12] I gotta be honest.

[01:18:12] The second I saw her from like 50 yards away coming up over that rock, it was what she had

[01:18:17] on her that gave me a red flag.

[01:18:19] Yeah.

[01:18:19] And as you got closer, that was the first thing out of my mouth.

[01:18:22] I said, where are you going?

[01:18:25] And then when she told me, Oh, you missed the turn.

[01:18:29] It was that easy.

[01:18:30] You can just follow us.

[01:18:31] I'm sure that happens a lot.

[01:18:33] A hundred percent.

[01:18:34] And then they end up in the middle of nowhere or they go down skook and they're like, where

[01:18:39] am I?

[01:18:40] Right.

[01:18:41] One, one time, one time I was staying at, uh, at Garfield and my buddy Garfield gets

[01:18:47] a cell signal.

[01:18:48] And, uh, so, um, I'm, I'm at Garfield and my buddy's like, Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm in town

[01:18:53] and I'm going to go trail running.

[01:18:55] So I'll meet you up at Lafayette.

[01:18:57] I just literally got a cramp in my thumb.

[01:18:59] I don't even know why I'm falling.

[01:19:01] Oh, maybe.

[01:19:02] Yeah.

[01:19:03] So, so my, so my buddy's like, I'll meet you at Lafayette for breakfast.

[01:19:06] And I'm like, sure.

[01:19:07] So, um, so I'm, I'm staying at Garfield and, and I'm like, uh, I wake up in the morning.

[01:19:13] I'm like mad rush.

[01:19:14] So I'm getting all this stuff together and then, and then I'm gone.

[01:19:16] I'm on the trail and I'm going, you know, how Garfield going down Garfield is like, if

[01:19:23] you've ever gone down that it's, it's down towards Gale head.

[01:19:27] Yeah.

[01:19:27] Yeah.

[01:19:28] Yeah.

[01:19:28] I mean, so I, I get down that and I'm probably in the trail for probably an hour.

[01:19:34] And it just occurs to me that I forgot my food in the, in the bear box.

[01:19:40] And I, and, and I had to go all that day.

[01:19:43] I was going to Liberty spring to, uh, Lincoln woods center.

[01:19:47] Yeah.

[01:19:48] So I was going to do half the PEMI in that day.

[01:19:50] And, uh, so that was a really tough day.

[01:19:54] And so, but, but, but what my point is, is he came up and he got up to Lafayette and he

[01:20:01] was going to just keep going down the trail and then run into me going towards Garfield.

[01:20:05] That's what his intentions were.

[01:20:07] But what he did was he got up Garfield and then ended up going down Skookumchuck.

[01:20:13] And then, so he ended up going all the way down Skookumchuck to the very end.

[01:20:17] And he had to run all the way back on along the road and stuff or not along the road,

[01:20:21] along the trail that goes from a cannon down towards, towards, towards the camp area.

[01:20:27] That's where he was parked at Lafayette parking.

[01:20:30] I almost wish you could quantify along with the rescues, how many times that happens.

[01:20:35] What that diversion is an intervention that the, no, the interventions where somebody steps

[01:20:39] up or somebody like, you know, like recognizes a situation and averts it, you know, and how

[01:20:46] hard it is to kind of like, everyone has that moment where you want to say something, but

[01:20:50] then you don't, you don't want to mansplain.

[01:20:52] You don't want to be presumptive.

[01:20:55] You don't want to be arrogant and be like, where are you going?

[01:20:57] But then there is a time where it's like, it does.

[01:21:00] It does.

[01:21:01] It's sometimes it's very clearly they're going to be in distress if they're not already.

[01:21:04] And you just have to do it.

[01:21:06] If you're an experienced hiker, like, like, like, like you stomp and you, you know what

[01:21:11] it looks like as far as when someone, Mr. Tumbles.

[01:21:15] No, no.

[01:21:16] When someone isn't an experienced hiker, cause you can tell, I mean, especially if they don't

[01:21:21] even have a backpack, if they have like a little, a little bag, like handbag.

[01:21:25] And you know, didn't she have something like that?

[01:21:27] She had something stupid.

[01:21:28] Yeah.

[01:21:28] But I don't think she had a headlamp.

[01:21:30] No, nothing.

[01:21:32] No, no, like warmer jacket.

[01:21:34] And we were dressed up for winter.

[01:21:36] But I think it's, it's really important that, that especially any hikers that, that, that

[01:21:42] are, have a little bit of experience, you know, at least a nice question.

[01:21:46] I mean, I mean, oh yeah, she might get mad, but is what's worse?

[01:21:51] Yeah, no, I agree.

[01:21:52] Yeah.

[01:21:53] I think the hiking community has broached that topic more so lately, talking about intervening

[01:21:59] and just, you know, how to do it, how to do it appropriately.

[01:22:03] Um, Julie, uh, Sicardo is, I believe that's her last name from the hiking buddies.

[01:22:09] Her, I'll never forget when she mentioned this, she had talked about hikers are the, the front

[01:22:15] line in terms of preventing rescues.

[01:22:18] And it really is true.

[01:22:19] Oh yeah.

[01:22:20] So that's always stuck with me.

[01:22:23] Um, so just, I don't know, just, you have to, you have to talk to people sometimes, sometimes

[01:22:29] it's clearly a red flag.

[01:22:32] Other times, like, you know, I'll come down, um, Welch, uh, clockwise and people will give

[01:22:39] me gruff cause I'm going the wrong way.

[01:22:41] Like, give me a break.

[01:22:42] Uh, you know, sometimes it's not appropriate.

[01:22:46] Other times it's clearly obvious and you, you should really speak up if you have the,

[01:22:50] uh, uh, the awareness that somebody may be in trouble.

[01:22:55] Yeah.

[01:22:56] Just start a conversation.

[01:22:57] Yeah.

[01:22:57] Hi, how you doing?

[01:23:01] How's it going?

[01:23:02] That's a nice Gucci bag you have there.

[01:23:03] Yeah.

[01:23:04] Right.

[01:23:05] There was a hiking buddies trip that Mike and I were on, um, where we went up.

[01:23:10] Oh my God.

[01:23:11] Where was it?

[01:23:13] Pierce?

[01:23:14] It was, it was Pierce, I think.

[01:23:17] And we were on our way up trail and two younger women.

[01:23:22] Um, we're like heading off to Mitzpah.

[01:23:25] Is it, is that the right path up to Pierce?

[01:23:27] I think that's Pierce.

[01:23:28] Pierce.

[01:23:29] It's the Southern end.

[01:23:30] It sounds right.

[01:23:30] So they weren't quite, that's the cutoff.

[01:23:32] You can go.

[01:23:33] Yeah.

[01:23:33] So they were.

[01:23:34] I think it was the residentials or to Mitzpah from there.

[01:23:35] If, if my brain's in the right spot.

[01:23:38] Yeah.

[01:23:38] I think that's true.

[01:23:39] I know generally what you're saying.

[01:23:40] Yes.

[01:23:40] Yeah.

[01:23:41] But they, they were really sort of unaware of as to where they were going and not sure.

[01:23:45] And they were ready to go up Mitzpah.

[01:23:46] Uh, and we just talked to them and just, we said, Hey, you want to join us?

[01:23:52] And they ended up staying with us the entire trip, which is great.

[01:23:55] We're down pretty good.

[01:23:56] And they were actually, they appeared to be thankful, uh, for that intervention and company.

[01:24:03] Um, with that crew, that was a good crew, hiking buddies crew.

[01:24:07] So anyway, just a side story there.

[01:24:10] Yep.

[01:24:10] I don't know what got us on that, but, uh, we're still on notable hikes.

[01:24:15] You're right.

[01:24:15] So the second notable hike is Paul Gamal Jr. who, who, uh, who did Gale Head.

[01:24:20] Um, Chris Gothberg and Sir Maps a lot, um, did a 10 mile trail to McCutcheon Pond.

[01:24:28] I'm not quite sure where that is.

[01:24:31] Um, pictures are amazing as usual.

[01:24:34] Chris does incredible photography.

[01:24:36] Uh, Nick in nature.

[01:24:40] Nick, uh, tackled East Osceola and Osceola for winter.

[01:24:44] Right on Nick.

[01:24:45] That's, that's, that's, that's always a tough challenge because Tripoli is closed right now.

[01:24:50] So you have to either, I don't know if he car spotted or did a loop.

[01:24:54] Last time I did it, uh, I think it was last winter.

[01:24:56] I did the loop from, uh, Livermore into Greeley Ponds, then up East and then down back Tripoli Road.

[01:25:03] That's a, that's a day.

[01:25:06] Uh, so nice work, Nick.

[01:25:08] Uh, Jakester, same as above, same trip, I suppose.

[01:25:13] Um, and then we just got this one today.

[01:25:17] I W Ted.

[01:25:18] I wanted to mention this one actually, cause this is pretty cool.

[01:25:20] And we don't hear about this location too often.

[01:25:23] So let me just pull it up and we will talk about his trip.

[01:25:27] Cause I don't know if you've done this one, Dave.

[01:25:29] I haven't, it's been on my list, but, um,

[01:25:32] It's a good cliffhanger.

[01:25:33] I don't know.

[01:25:33] What is it?

[01:25:34] I'm working on it.

[01:25:35] You're killing me.

[01:25:36] The suspense is killing me.

[01:25:37] What?

[01:25:37] Maybe.

[01:25:38] I don't know.

[01:25:39] Uh, just, is it lost pass?

[01:25:43] Oh my God.

[01:25:44] Yeah.

[01:25:44] You guys talk while I look for this.

[01:25:46] We're trying.

[01:25:46] We're trying.

[01:25:47] I don't think it's lost pass.

[01:25:49] No, I don't think so either.

[01:25:50] I think, um, Mount, Mount, mountainous.

[01:25:53] Well, what else could it be?

[01:25:55] Mount Climalautomus.

[01:25:56] Yeah.

[01:25:57] Yeah.

[01:25:57] I mean, it could be something like that.

[01:25:59] Mount unknown.

[01:26:00] Yeah.

[01:26:01] Hold on.

[01:26:02] You're doing good.

[01:26:03] Mount dead air.

[01:26:04] Could be.

[01:26:05] Um, oh my God.

[01:26:07] Why can't I?

[01:26:07] Humble down dick.

[01:26:10] That's a mountain and someone we hiked with today.

[01:26:12] Yeah.

[01:26:12] Why don't you talk about your, your inappropriate 69 list?

[01:26:15] Yeah.

[01:26:16] I did get a, I got a ping from someone the other day asking me about what not yet.

[01:26:21] Nobody is.

[01:26:21] Nobody has finished 69 yet.

[01:26:22] So, um, I had somebody reach out asking me a question about Mount Pleasant, where they

[01:26:27] could park a car and I had done some research on it and it was a little bit iffy, but it

[01:26:31] was, it was interesting to see him and his friend, uh, are going to be working on the

[01:26:35] list.

[01:26:36] Oh, wow.

[01:26:36] That's great.

[01:26:37] So they're going to shoot for it in 2025, which is great.

[01:26:40] Oh, you have to have them on.

[01:26:42] Yeah.

[01:26:42] That's cool.

[01:26:43] Yeah.

[01:26:44] No, I mean, good for them.

[01:26:45] I mean, you know, that's great.

[01:26:46] Anybody getting out there and getting had it.

[01:26:48] Yeah.

[01:26:48] Even the 69 is great.

[01:26:50] I mean, that's cool.

[01:26:51] Hiking list.

[01:26:52] Yeah.

[01:26:52] You have a 69 hiking list.

[01:26:55] To make it weird.

[01:26:55] I just say, I mean, yeah, if you do it good for you too.

[01:26:59] I just don't have, I'm not making you a patch for that.

[01:27:01] I'm sorry.

[01:27:01] I don't want to know.

[01:27:02] What's the handle for Facebook or Instagram?

[01:27:06] I think on Facebook, it is literally just, um, New Hampshire inappropriate 69.

[01:27:11] If not, I'm trying to remember.

[01:27:14] You can see how much I maintain them.

[01:27:15] All right.

[01:27:16] Um, for Instagram, it is the NHI 69 as the numbers.

[01:27:22] Hiking list.

[01:27:23] Hmm.

[01:27:26] Only your mind could come up with that.

[01:27:28] Yeah.

[01:27:29] We love it.

[01:27:29] Yeah.

[01:27:29] Yeah.

[01:27:30] Not only.

[01:27:31] No, like I said, the family's very proud.

[01:27:35] They never thought I'd amount to anything and look at me now.

[01:27:39] Um, oh, so Liz, we can talk about Liz.

[01:27:42] So Liz did Mount Silly, um, with Izzy, I believe.

[01:27:46] Izzy was tagged or Izzy tagged us separately, but the silly sillies and Grandview.

[01:27:53] Are, uh, three little peaks on the 500 list that are, I believe it's Woodstock.

[01:28:00] I could be wrong about that, but it's, um, basically up at Elbow Pond, which is on, on

[01:28:04] route to Ravine Lodge of Musaloc from the Lincoln side.

[01:28:09] So you, you start heading up towards Ravine Lodge and Elbow Pond will be a little spur road

[01:28:14] off to the left.

[01:28:16] Um, and it's snowshoeing in a couple of miles, uh, to get to these smaller 500 peaks, but,

[01:28:22] uh, nice work with those.

[01:28:24] And then back to, um, IW Tet, whose name is Mike here.

[01:28:29] He sends a message and it says, Hey, Mike and Stomp had a great hike.

[01:28:32] And this is the suspense.

[01:28:34] Ready?

[01:28:35] Um, great hike of the peak above the nubble.

[01:28:39] That was the, one of the first bushwhacks I've ever done.

[01:28:42] All right.

[01:28:42] So this is his number 62 of the New England hundred highest.

[01:28:46] He goes, not, this is, this is kind words, but not quite as adventurous as Stomp's bushwhacking.

[01:28:52] Meh, meh, meh.

[01:28:53] No, I've never done the nubble.

[01:28:55] That's why I wanted to read it.

[01:28:56] Yeah.

[01:28:57] No, so that's super cool.

[01:28:59] But I want to talk about that because that's something we don't hear about too often is

[01:29:02] that plate.

[01:29:02] I'd never been there.

[01:29:03] Um, but he also goes on, he goes, I wanted to let you guys know a great coffee sandwich,

[01:29:08] soup pastry shop in twin mountain, the copper pot bistro at 603 us three South.

[01:29:14] It's on the corner of three and little river road, uh, where the seven dwarf motel is.

[01:29:21] So listeners, yeah, check it out.

[01:29:23] If you're in the area, you can, um, go check it out.

[01:29:27] Thank you for the tips and nice work on the, uh, the nubble.

[01:29:29] So tell me about the nubble.

[01:29:30] It's, it's, uh, I'm trying to remember where you jump off from, where it is.

[01:29:34] I can remember the hike in detail.

[01:29:36] Cause it was one of the first ones I had done.

[01:29:38] There was a little bit of snow on the ground.

[01:29:39] I had a Garmin, like I borrowed from my dad.

[01:29:42] It was like, it had, it had a triangle and a line.

[01:29:45] It didn't tell you anything.

[01:29:47] Um, I want to say it's in the Zealand area.

[01:29:49] Am I, am I correct in that?

[01:29:52] Um, it's prior to Zealand.

[01:29:56] So it's, it's the way that I am aware of to get to it would be the snowmobile trails

[01:30:01] or forest roads from, um, like where that dwarf is that dwarf hotel.

[01:30:06] And correct.

[01:30:06] So behind that, that's why I think of a zeal.

[01:30:09] It's not, it, you go up to seven doors.

[01:30:11] You could in the winter, people should know that too.

[01:30:13] The seven doors, you can park there.

[01:30:15] You leave money on your windshield.

[01:30:16] What is it?

[01:30:17] $20 in an envelope.

[01:30:19] He'll plow it out.

[01:30:20] He plows out a few spots.

[01:30:21] So if anybody's going up to hail or going in that way, you park across.

[01:30:25] He usually has a few spots plowed out.

[01:30:27] You back in, you put your money on the windshield and he, it helps him out.

[01:30:32] And you have an easier way to get up to hail from the fire warden's trail.

[01:30:36] Um, but as an aside, moving on, but you go up the nubble and I can't remember the details

[01:30:40] of exactly how, but I remember vividly the hike because you, you do, you go up a fire road,

[01:30:45] you follow it until it kind of peters out.

[01:30:48] And there's a pretty good herd path.

[01:30:49] Now, uh, the peaks been hit a lot, so you can find it pretty easy.

[01:30:53] And there's a, if I remember right, and I do remember right, there's a pretty good view

[01:30:57] out there.

[01:30:58] Um, it's a nice lookout.

[01:30:59] It's got a ledge and everything that you can look out from.

[01:31:02] Yeah.

[01:31:02] It's a very interesting looking little crag, I guess.

[01:31:05] It is.

[01:31:05] And it's shark tooth.

[01:31:06] It's I don't, I don't want to downplay and say it's easy.

[01:31:10] It is a great starter.

[01:31:12] Yeah.

[01:31:13] Um, bushwhack meaning with the herd path, that makes it a little bit easier now.

[01:31:17] Cause it is frequented a lot more and it's good woods.

[01:31:20] It's not super, super thick.

[01:31:22] It's got new growth.

[01:31:23] It's got, it's got all the elements you want in a bushwhack, but it's not overwhelming

[01:31:27] and it's fairly easy.

[01:31:29] No matter which way you go off, you're going to hit something.

[01:31:31] Meaning a road in a good way.

[01:31:34] So it's a, it's a good one.

[01:31:36] Yeah.

[01:31:36] That's cool.

[01:31:38] Um, all right.

[01:31:39] So out of those, I don't know, I'm leaning towards this one.

[01:31:42] Actually.

[01:31:43] I think that's a pretty cool hike, uh, for the winner of the notable hikes.

[01:31:46] What do you guys think?

[01:31:47] We had, uh, you Dave, we had, uh, Paul, um, Nick doing its East Osceola, the whole loop

[01:31:54] there.

[01:31:55] Um, and then IW tet for peak above the nubble and he lean.

[01:32:02] And what do you think you lean towards one of these for the, the winner?

[01:32:05] I like, I like the peak because he also gave food advice.

[01:32:08] I think that's great.

[01:32:09] And it sounds like, sounds like he's stepping out of his comfort zone there a little bit

[01:32:13] and getting more into bushwhacking, which I think is great and good, good for him.

[01:32:17] I mean, you know, yeah, he's got, he's got stomp aspirations.

[01:32:20] Yeah, I know.

[01:32:21] That's, I mean, that's double points.

[01:32:23] Yeah.

[01:32:24] That's huge.

[01:32:25] I mean, if you saw anything today, he would be so disappointed.

[01:32:28] Yeah, that's true.

[01:32:29] So disappointed.

[01:32:30] Especially at the end.

[01:32:32] My, uh, my Lou Retton there.

[01:32:36] Tumble at the end.

[01:32:37] Stick the landing.

[01:32:40] Yeah.

[01:32:41] Good way to go.

[01:32:42] And there was much rejoicing.

[01:32:47] Uh, so yeah, I think that's about it.

[01:32:49] We did, uh, have one mission, but I think we'll save that for when Mike comes back.

[01:32:53] And then there are a couple of stories that we have, but you guys look beat and unbeat.

[01:32:57] That's that we've been talking for an hour and a half about hiking.

[01:33:01] That's pretty cool.

[01:33:02] Wow.

[01:33:02] Good time.

[01:33:03] Yeah.

[01:33:03] Mark hasn't talked all day, so it's good.

[01:33:05] It's good to hear him that he's with us now.

[01:33:07] Yeah.

[01:33:08] It's silent Mark out there today.

[01:33:09] Yeah.

[01:33:10] Sorry about that.

[01:33:11] Yeah.

[01:33:11] It's okay.

[01:33:12] Yeah.

[01:33:12] He was fuming.

[01:33:13] Like what did I get myself into this time?

[01:33:16] So, uh, Mike will be back next week.

[01:33:19] I think I'll put this out maybe probably New Year's day or something like that.

[01:33:24] Who knows?

[01:33:25] Cool.

[01:33:25] We shall see.

[01:33:26] And, uh, thank you guys for hanging.

[01:33:28] Thank you.

[01:33:29] Thank you.

[01:33:29] Happy New Year.

[01:33:30] Happy New Year.

[01:33:31] Can you imagine?

[01:33:33] It's gonna be a good one.

[01:33:34] I hope so.

[01:33:35] Yeah.

[01:33:36] I hope so.

[01:33:36] Definitely will be.

[01:33:37] Good vibes.

[01:33:37] Good vibes in the air.

[01:33:38] It's all what you make it.

[01:33:39] Yeah.

[01:33:40] You control your happy.

[01:33:41] That's right.

[01:33:42] That's right.

[01:33:43] All right.

[01:33:43] Adios.

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[01:34:35] Now covered in scratches, blisters, and bug bites, Chris Staff wanted to complete his most challenging day hike ever.

[01:34:43] Fish and game officers say the hiker from Florida activated an emergency beacon yesterday morning.

[01:34:49] He was hiking along the Appalachian Trail when the weather started to get worse.

[01:34:54] Officials say the snow was piled up to three feet in some spots, and there was a wind chill of minus one degree.

[01:35:01] And there's three words to describe this race.

[01:35:03] Do we all know who they are?

[01:35:05] Lieutenant James Neeland from New Hampshire Fish and Game.

[01:35:10] Louisiana, thanks for being with us today.

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